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Title: Engine woes
Post by: oakgreengolf on 22 November 2008, 16:21
Was on my way to midland vw today as the car has been running crap for a few weeks now. Was about 10 miles away and the engine just died with a nice metal sounding noise.  :cry: :cry: Managed to get the car home, Engine wouldn't turn over. I removed the cams, the bottom pulley now spins freely so hopfully no bottom end damage. It appears 2 of the valves have bent. I wonder whether the chain on the cam had slipped which is why its been running crap and with me travelling at 60 mph on the motorway the valves have kissed the pistons?. I'm waying up now whether to get a new engine maybe an abf or just repair what ive got.
Title: Re: Engine woes
Post by: Conker on 22 November 2008, 17:11
Gutted for you dude.

It sounds like maybe your cam belt was coming loose or tensioner was worn. New valves and a head refurb won't be too expensive.
Title: Re: Engine woes
Post by: oakgreengolf on 22 November 2008, 17:22
Yes can't believe it  :cry:. Theres a low milage engine on the bay for 299 or best offer??. 116k with s/h very tempted, not too far either. Is this expensive. I would ideally like a 2.0L though, is it worth going for an abf i wonder.
Title: Re: Engine woes
Post by: danny_p on 22 November 2008, 18:57
seen this happen on a lot of 16v's   if the valve relifs look shiney it mans the valves have been getting close to pistons for some time.  this is quite good at weakening the piston and deformeing the ring groove  the top ring will most likely be trapped now giveing and it will only be a matter of time before the top of the piston cracks exposeng the top compression ring ,   this is normaly shows a low compression crap running and or  blue smoke.   

the cam chin won't have done it,  the exhasut cam is operated by the chain and those valves  are square to the piston.  cambelts don't slip ether unless somethng is very wrong most likely it was timed up wrong at some point,    it dosen't allways develop at the time ether. 
Title: Re: Engine woes
Post by: Diamond Hell on 22 November 2008, 20:31
Don't buy a motor unless you can check it over while running first.

An engine bought non-running isn't worth a bag of Space Raiders because of the problems that may lie within it.
Title: Re: Engine woes
Post by: sidecarphil on 22 November 2008, 20:54
An engine bought non-running isn't worth a bag of Space Raiders


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i like that

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Title: Re: Engine woes
Post by: DarnPB on 22 November 2008, 21:21
Take your head off first before you go buying. Although it looks bad, it may not be as bad as you think. If the piston has a hole in it, then its game, set and match. But if its only marked, then perhaps just a head job is needed. There are so  many engines that have been scrapped that to be honest are salvageable, its just the owners choose the easy way out, and buy a second engine, of which there is usually no history or warranty. At least with your engine, you know what you got!
If you do buy an another engine, then see if you can hear it run first, if possible to a compression test. Or drag one out of a smashed car. At least then you know the car is not being broken or scrapped due to a possible dodgy motor.
Title: Re: Engine woes
Post by: danny_p on 23 November 2008, 00:53
can allways be cheekey,  find another kr bottom end that someone has ditched because of a 2.0 upgrade  and nick the pistons and rods, then just hone the bores and drop the "new" pistons in with block still inplace
Title: Re: Engine woes
Post by: oakgreengolf on 23 November 2008, 08:53
My mechanical skills arn't great, so would probbably struggle fiddling with the bottom end. Taking the head off and dropping a new engine in isn't a problem. The millege on my car is now 179,000 so i'm probably going to get a new engine. This is the one on the bay that I have been looking at. Ive emailed him and it has vw service history untill 1997, then mots until 2007 when it was taken out of a damaged car. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400009180980&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123
Title: Re: Engine woes
Post by: oakgreengolf on 23 November 2008, 11:29
Right just messaged him. He can do me the clocks with 116k on them and the engine for £300. Does this seem about right. :undecided:
Title: Re: Engine woes
Post by: danny_p on 23 November 2008, 11:44
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I recommend a NEW cam-belt & tensioner + oil & filter service before you run it again, as they are now overdue
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so it's been well looked after then ,   and you'll be buying blind off ebay  and id say its a bit on the pricy side , in fact its posh breackers price where you get a warranty and everything.  or for another 100 you chould easaly get an abf
Title: Re: Engine woes
Post by: oakgreengolf on 23 November 2008, 11:54
To be honest i would like an abf just got to find one local to me. I understand you need the engine, box, ecu, pre 95 has no immobiliser too? and engine wiring loom?. I have got access to another car so i dont want to rush into buying another engine and paying over the odds. I suppose tensioner, belt oil etc you are looking at another £75.  think ill give it a miss
Title: Re: Engine woes
Post by: Conker on 23 November 2008, 12:29
That would be a fine price if it had zero problems and could be proven so. Without seeing it running, whats stopping it being as knackered as your current engine?? Be careful.

Title: Re: Engine woes
Post by: danny_p on 23 November 2008, 12:32
the non immob engines carry to much of a premium for them to make it worth while,  get the latest engine you can, the inductive loop pickup actualy clips on to a mk2 steering columb perfectly then just get a key cut wil immob chip in,   or stick the key for the ABF to the inductive loop and hide it somewhere.  that way you can have a proper immobilser for your mk2 that will actualy stop pikey unlike the after market ones
Title: Re: Engine woes
Post by: oakgreengolf on 25 November 2008, 20:03
Took head of today, two of the exhaust valves are bent, bottom end hasn't been touched.

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Title: Re: Engine woes
Post by: danny_p on 25 November 2008, 20:15
want a pair of exhaust valaves then ?
Title: Re: Engine woes
Post by: sidecarphil on 25 November 2008, 20:28
nope i don't think he does :)

ABf ere he goes  :wink: :wink:
Title: Re: Engine woes
Post by: oakgreengolf on 25 November 2008, 20:44
Oh yes bring it on  :laugh: gearbox, bottom end + other bits available soon if all goes well
Title: Re: Engine woes
Post by: golf-manic on 27 November 2008, 17:50
Don't buy a motor unless you can check it over while running first.

An engine bought non-running isn't worth a bag of Space Raiders because of the problems that may lie within it.

Just a word about that.
i bought my engine from a local VAG breakers and runs mint, it may need abit of a tune but apart from that its good.
just be carefull where you buy an engine from though, i think i was abit lucky though
Title: Re: Engine woes
Post by: danny_p on 27 November 2008, 20:55
if you buy an engine from a breacker you should have some come back on,  usally 30 or 90 days. if they sell sold as seen  unless your buying it for bits or don't mnd takeing a chance  but they want to cheep then.