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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Horney on 22 October 2008, 10:51
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http://www.autojunk.nl/clips/view/147377?relevant-video
Nick
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splat!
i heard it wasn't even his car :lipsrsealed:
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Yeah according to some posts on E38 it was loaner from a Audi dealership. Doh!
Nick
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its that doddery old torsen dependent 4wd, wouldn't have happened with haldex (stirry spoon @ TT)
the fact he can't bloody drive doesn't help matters in the least though.. "ARGHH OVERSTEER WHAT DO I DO?!?!?"
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I can just imagine his inner monolouge. "Weee, wooohhoooo, I'm a driving god, yeahhhh oooh aaarrr errmmmm ARRRGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!. Doh."
Nick
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A mate of mine was there and watched it happen.
If you're going to go and play big boys games you've got to be prepared to accept the consequences.
That's why I play with a car that cost me £150.
People often underestimate how much Quarry tightens - it's quite funny. I've had a Mondeo ST that I was following swing out in front of me and sit in a drift for what seemed miles, only to find grip and power off into the in-field. There was also a guy in a Golf3 GTI that was determined he was faster than me and only moved over after putting a couple of wheels on the grass on the outside of Quarry after running waaaaaay wide. :grin:
£10 says he didn't have track day insurance, if it was his.
Those RS4s do sound mint, mind.
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Yeah Quarry can be a bit of a mare especially if you get a bit to much air over Avon Rise.
Looking at the vid though he binned it at Camp which is still a corner to catch you by surprise but not as likely to catch you out as Quarry.
Nick
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Was reading it on ed38 this morning it left it one hell of a mess.
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Damn it, so it is - my mistake. Binning it there = even less talent to run out of....
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its that doddery old torsen dependent 4wd, wouldn't have happened with haldex (stirry spoon @ TT)
Me not hungry . . . . :tongue: :grin:
the fact he can't bloody drive doesn't help matters in the least though.. "ARGHH OVERSTEER WHAT DO I DO?!?!?"
Yup, must have been an utter, utter tw@t of a driver to loose on what was effectively a straight! On other forums, others who were there stated he was actually showing off, by trying to get the back end out on purpose - and that the marshals were gonna ban him from any more track action - sadly, for the RS4, the latter action was no longer required.
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after it hits the wall the side of the car looks like its covered in tin foil! :smiley:
wouldn't wanna foot that bill
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It will polish out.......!
I think it was clear this chap doesn't know how to drive, thank god he wasn't on a road.
It was like watching a scared rabbit trapped in some headlights :evil:
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Thats what you get for lifting off mid corner, Pussy.
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Whoops! I thought it was near impossible to lose those cars (on tarmac), must be a really sh1t driver! lol
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WOW HAHAHA what a muppet :grin: :grin:
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Whoops! I thought it was near impossible to lose those cars (on tarmac), must be a really sh1t driver! lol
No matter how good any tyre or transmission system is, you can not overcome the laws of physics. But it does take some serious provocation to get an RS4 out of shape - but collecting it all up again was his downfall.
Idiots like that really need the airbags disabling, and a fcukin great big spike placed on the steering wheel - he would only drive like that once - and would certainly remove himself from the gene pool. :rolleyes:
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now this, is car control...http://www.autojunk.nl/clips/view/138925?relevant-video (http://www.autojunk.nl/clips/view/138925?relevant-video)
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now this, is car control...http://www.autojunk.nl/clips/view/138925?relevant-video (http://www.autojunk.nl/clips/view/138925?relevant-video)
why the hell did it loose controll in the first place?? :shocked: :shocked: :huh:
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My (late) mate did this in his Mini during the Mini Action Day back in 2000 with me in the car - the track was damp and he decided to try and beat the Honda Vtec-powered Clubman behind him on cold tyres on a sighting lap. The back end went left at Camp Corner, he caught it, then it went right, he caught that then we got a big tankslapper going on and hit the tyres. It all went quiet then there was "You alright Dave?" "Yeah... You alright Slick?" "Yeah... Oops!"
He was a total doughnut and actually drove home 220 miles like the photo, then got a reshell. Nutter.
Unfortunately he was killed in Motorbike accident in 2002 (riding too fast and hitting a car that had run a red light).
(http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s353/MrBounce38/Yoko.jpg)
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Lived fast and died young. Sad but I bet he enjoyed himself.
Nick
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Lived fast and died young. Sad but I bet he enjoyed himself.
Nick
Hell yeah - he always said he'd never make 30. He bought a Fireblade and we all said jokingly that he'd kill himself on it. How ironic!
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now this, is car control...http://www.autojunk.nl/clips/view/138925?relevant-video (http://www.autojunk.nl/clips/view/138925?relevant-video)
Anyone speak dujtch?
Guess it wasn't a puncture judging by the way he carried on, but why did Moby's car do that in the first place? The world's biggest baby oil spill?
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olie
im kinda guessing that means oil it had to be something like that to all of a sudden go, it almost sounds like he says "quattro" after he has stopped spinning :grin:
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R.I.P fella, always sad to loose a friend in that way.
"ride hard, die free"
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it almost sounds like he says "quattro" after he has stopped spinning :grin:
hahaha your right :grin:
i like the way he got out to check for damage even though he didnt hit anything :grin:
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now this, is car control...http://www.autojunk.nl/clips/view/138925?relevant-video (http://www.autojunk.nl/clips/view/138925?relevant-video)
even i shat myself when i saw that :shocked:
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it almost sounds like he says "quattro" after he has stopped spinning :grin:
hahaha your right :grin:
i like the way he got out to check for damage even though he didnt hit anything :grin:
I think he may have thought he had a blow out, he appears to check the tyres! lol
Brown Pants Moment! :grin:
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Poor RS4 :cry:
Guys like that can seriously fcuk other peoples days up as well as their own :angry:
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This is actually a trait of what Audi's can do.. go to correct a little oversteer, and it bites you right back, and was the original problem that TTs had prior to their launch, hence the boot spoiler to anchor the rear end down a little better. be it 2wd or 4wd, TT, A3, or A4 they do this! anyone remember the Youtube clip from about a year ago, that showed a guy with an in car camera mounted in his A4, minding his own business on the autobahn, all of a sudden, he's doing a 180, or 360 onto the hard shoulder, luckily missing everything..
Tom
Found it.. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HRGmtObqKeo
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This is actually a trait of what Audi's can do..
..in the hands of a bad driver.
That guy on the motorway hit some oil. Would've been game over in a beemer.
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Errrr
1. Someone's already posted that link - it's a guy getting a slap on, on an oil spill on a motorway. Almost any car would have stepped out. Nothing to do with it being an Audi. Big question is why was the guy filming himself in the first place? Maybe he knew about the oil, maybe it was a set up for him to show off his car control.
2. Sweeping generalisations make you sound dumb. You seem to be saying Audis are all snappy. The TT's handling foible was due to poor aerodynamics causing instability at high speeds. This was amplified by the damper set up on the car. The problem was picked up post launch and the cars were recalled to have not only the spoiler fitted, but also substantial modifications to the suspension.
The TT and the A3 are Golf4 platform-based, so if they had endemic handling issues the Golf4 etc would handle similarly. Their 4WD systems are Haldex, not Torsen (as proper quattros are). The earlier A4 is Passat/A4 platform which is totally different to the Golf4 platform. The A4 which the RS4 is based on is a different platform again and uses Torsen set up 60% rear 40% front drive. All of Audi's previous 4WD systems were 50:50 drive split. This means older Audis are more prone to understeer than the RS4.
All this means it's comparatively much easier to provoke a tail-slide in an RS4 vs earlier Audis. The original clip was just someone in a high-power car, exceeding his talent quotient and failing to safely deal with a big car having a big tail-out moment. Lack of talent was the problem, not poor handling trait.
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Errrr
1. Someone's already posted that link - it's a guy getting a slap on, on an oil spill on a motorway. Almost any car would have stepped out. Nothing to do with it being an Audi. Big question is why was the guy filming himself in the first place? Maybe he knew about the oil, maybe it was a set up for him to show off his car control.
2. Sweeping generalisations make you sound dumb. You seem to be saying Audis are all snappy. The TT's handling foible was due to poor aerodynamics causing instability at high speeds. This was amplified by the damper set up on the car. The problem was picked up post launch and the cars were recalled to have not only the spoiler fitted, but also substantial modifications to the suspension.
The TT and the A3 are Golf4 platform-based, so if they had endemic handling issues the Golf4 etc would handle similarly. Their 4WD systems are Haldex, not Torsen (as proper quattros are). The earlier A4 is Passat/A4 platform which is totally different to the Golf4 platform. The A4 which the RS4 is based on is a different platform again and uses Torsen set up 60% rear 40% front drive. All of Audi's previous 4WD systems were 50:50 drive split. This means older Audis are more prone to understeer than the RS4.
All this means it's comparatively much easier to provoke a tail-slide in an RS4 vs earlier Audis. The original clip was just someone in a high-power car, exceeding his talent quotient and failing to safely deal with a big car having a big tail-out moment. Lack of talent was the problem, not poor handling trait.
DH have debated with American on politics?
Sounds like you have a no BS policy of your own going on there fella?
Lets be fair all tech in a car helps you out, but if you are going to drive speeds beyond your capabilities then when something is going to happen you either over compensate or do nothing like a scared rabbit in headlights? The guy did do the right moves to get it back into shape still his hands must have been shaking afterwards.
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Errrr
1. Someone's already posted that link - it's a guy getting a slap on, on an oil spill on a motorway. Almost any car would have stepped out. Nothing to do with it being an Audi. Big question is why was the guy filming himself in the first place? Maybe he knew about the oil, maybe it was a set up for him to show off his car control.
2. Sweeping generalisations make you sound dumb. You seem to be saying Audis are all snappy. The TT's handling foible was due to poor aerodynamics causing instability at high speeds. This was amplified by the damper set up on the car. The problem was picked up post launch and the cars were recalled to have not only the spoiler fitted, but also substantial modifications to the suspension.
The TT and the A3 are Golf4 platform-based, so if they had endemic handling issues the Golf4 etc would handle similarly. Their 4WD systems are Haldex, not Torsen (as proper quattros are). The earlier A4 is Passat/A4 platform which is totally different to the Golf4 platform. The A4 which the RS4 is based on is a different platform again and uses Torsen set up 60% rear 40% front drive. All of Audi's previous 4WD systems were 50:50 drive split. This means older Audis are more prone to understeer than the RS4.
All this means it's comparatively much easier to provoke a tail-slide in an RS4 vs earlier Audis. The original clip was just someone in a high-power car, exceeding his talent quotient and failing to safely deal with a big car having a big tail-out moment. Lack of talent was the problem, not poor handling trait.
Pretty much all fair comment, and points that could be argued all day long, but I feel that I have grounds for my point to be made!
I have an Audi A4 Avant that I like to throw about. generally entering a bend, or a roundabout (in this case) too fast,would result in mild, but controllable understeer, totally predictable, only this day I pushed a little harder, just as the understeer came in, It was all over, the back end just went, completely without warning, an instant 180 on the apex of a roundabout, no other traffic involved, no damage, it was a warm day and no problems with he car
A week or so later we were testing one of our race cars at Bruntingthorpe, after the session I decided to recreate what had happened, on one of the tarmac sections, bottom line here is that I could get it to oversteer again, and again, but not once could I get it back!
Tom
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Errrr
1. Someone's already posted that link - it's a guy getting a slap on, on an oil spill on a motorway. Almost any car would have stepped out. Nothing to do with it being an Audi. Big question is why was the guy filming himself in the first place? Maybe he knew about the oil, maybe it was a set up for him to show off his car control.
2. Sweeping generalisations make you sound dumb. You seem to be saying Audis are all snappy. The TT's handling foible was due to poor aerodynamics causing instability at high speeds. This was amplified by the damper set up on the car. The problem was picked up post launch and the cars were recalled to have not only the spoiler fitted, but also substantial modifications to the suspension.
The TT and the A3 are Golf4 platform-based, so if they had endemic handling issues the Golf4 etc would handle similarly. Their 4WD systems are Haldex, not Torsen (as proper quattros are). The earlier A4 is Passat/A4 platform which is totally different to the Golf4 platform. The A4 which the RS4 is based on is a different platform again and uses Torsen set up 60% rear 40% front drive. All of Audi's previous 4WD systems were 50:50 drive split. This means older Audis are more prone to understeer than the RS4.
All this means it's comparatively much easier to provoke a tail-slide in an RS4 vs earlier Audis. The original clip was just someone in a high-power car, exceeding his talent quotient and failing to safely deal with a big car having a big tail-out moment. Lack of talent was the problem, not poor handling trait.
Taken from wikipedia:
Early TT models gained press coverage for a series of high-speed accidents in Europe. Reported crashes and related fatalities occurred at speeds in excess of 110 mph (180 km/h) during abrupt lane changes or sharp turns. Both the coupe and roadster models were recalled in late 1999/early 2000 to improve predictability of the car's handling at very high-speeds. Audi's Electronic Stability Programme, and rear spoiler were added, along with suspension modifications. All changes were subsequently incorporated into future versions of the car.
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Is there a point to that last post, or are you just quoting from Wikipedia for a laugh?
Every car has a limit - you've described pushing through the initial understeer that the car has be set up to provide as a safety 'warning' to the driver. If you've pushed through that then you're into the far land of no-grip and there are myriad things that might happen.
Audis are set up to understeer in a fairly determined manner. They're not sold as 'drift' cars, they're sold as a conservative, well-built car with safe handling. If you're prepared to push through that which the manufacturer has set up to kick people away from the limit (which is quite a reasonable way to go about things) then really you're into bush/armco investigation mode.
Your A4 is a very different beast to the RS4, so the comparison is disingenuous. By extension the TT/A3 etc comparisons are also inappropriate as the architecture under the car is totally different.
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then really you're into bush/armco investigation mode.
This just one click away from stun on most of my cars. A good mode for sunday afternoons, but best avoided on the daily comute.
Nick