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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Bolle on 15 October 2008, 01:15
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Visited the Nurburgring last sunday for the first time. Couldn't resist taking it out for one lap. Was very busy however due to the good weather, so many closures due to accidents, and subsequently little spread of the traffic over the ring. We had to wait for almost two hours before we could enter the Ring. One lap was enough for the first time :shocked:
View form the terrace where we had some coffee
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff306/bolle2/auto/Ring/PA120001.jpg)
The view from Breidscheid viewpoint
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff306/bolle2/auto/Ring/PA120007.jpg)
You can just see the Ring Taxi
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff306/bolle2/auto/Ring/PA120009.jpg)
Lotus Europa after meeting the armco
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff306/bolle2/auto/Ring/PA120003.jpg)
Porsche Carrera GT
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff306/bolle2/auto/Ring/PA120011.jpg)
Waiting to get on the track
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff306/bolle2/auto/Ring/PA120016.jpg)
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff306/bolle2/auto/Ring/PA120017.jpg)
Nearly there, just this roundabout with cars entering from three sides but only leaving at one..
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff306/bolle2/auto/Ring/PA120020.jpg)
Entering the Ring (back of the line closest to the camera)
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff306/bolle2/auto/8200rpmcom501227_H.png)
On the Ring
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff306/bolle2/auto/Ring/PICT0097_edit.jpg)
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff306/bolle2/auto/Ring/PICT0105_edit.jpg)
A pic I found on one of the many Ring pic sites (chickening out on the outside of the Karusell (td))
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff306/bolle2/auto/Ring/tf121008_256_edit.jpg)
And leaving again, in the background
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff306/bolle2/auto/8200rpmcom501246_H.png)
Beautiful fall colors
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff306/bolle2/auto/Ring/PA120022.jpg)
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff306/bolle2/auto/Ring/PA120026.jpg)
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Nice write-up and superb pics.
:cool:
Makes me want to be there :drool:
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Nice photos :cool:
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Nice write-up and superb pics.
:cool:
Makes me want to be there :drool:
Nice pics mate...
Forum trip anyone??? :wink:
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Great pictures there mate!! Looks like it was a really nice day... the temptation to go has just increased that little bit more :undecided:
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Excellent! You really got the atmosphere of it across much better and more simply than most other forum reports on The 'Ring I've seen :afro:
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Nice write-up and superb pics.
:cool:
Makes me want to be there :drool:
Nice pics mate...
Forum trip anyone??? :wink:
Joesgti is trying to drum up some interest Ben
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=94676.0
Lovely pics bolle. You fell very luck with the weather too :cool:
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nice write up :smiley: the colours of the trees look really nice :smiley: did you take it easy round the track, any close shaves?? when i go im defo taking it easy, hurd tooo many shocking stories of smashed up cars on that toll road :laugh:
if anybody is keen in showing interest in a forum trip next year then post in the link that greenouse posted. shame it got moved, not much interest now :undecided:
hope your thred doesnt get moved :undecided:
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(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff306/bolle2/auto/Ring/tf121008_256_edit.jpg)
Love this shot :cool: :cool:
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Some great pics there :cool: :cool:
Definately up for the trip next year Joe, looking forward to it already :laugh:
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Some great pics there :cool: :cool:
Definately up for the trip next year Joe, looking forward to it already :laugh:
:afro: :afro:
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Nice write-up and superb pics.
:cool:
Makes me want to be there :drool:
Nice pics mate...
Forum trip anyone??? :wink:
me and jamie are going again in april/may Ben so come along oh and love the pics above :cool:
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Nice one Bolle.Lucky enough to get the photo off the ring photographers.. I did,nt get any Das Lunchbreak,tw4ts.
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I wannat be there ! :(
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Thanks for all the great comments!
I would certainly advice anybody to go and do a lap. At least you have then earned the rhe right put the Ring sticker on the back of your car.
Regarding the lap, I was just taking it easy, and making sure you make it to the end. Didn't want to be one of those guys who stuffs it in the armco on it's first lap. But accidents do happen, the track was at least closed 4 times or so whilst we were there.
Just position yourself on the right hand side well to give quicker cars space to pass on the left, watch your mirrors, and indicate to the right to signal you have seen the quicker people and that they can pass. I found discipline of the most cars quite good, a lot of them will indicate to the left that they will pass you and give you space whilst overtaking.
As it is a public road (unrestricted toll road) German road rules apply, which means overtaking is only allowed on the left hand side and that is closely followed by everybody. That means that you as a slower car will have to stick to the right, and be passed only on the left. Even if this means you're on the racing line and the faster car will have to go around.
And you will be passed, especially on a busy day like last sunday! I spent about 75% of the time looking in the mirrors, don't expect to be able drive the best racing lines. GT3's flying by all the time, and these in turn being overtaken by the locals in old stripped and caged Golf II's and Polo's!
One these first laps of the ring, taking the racing line and speed is an ambition too far anyway, it's too hard a circuit for that. I had a leaky DV and was only pushing out 180 hp or so in my estimation, and never felt a lack of power in my lap.
But besides doing a lap, it is worth a visit. Quite a nice selection of cars to be seen, and been driven around. I believe I even saw more 911's there than in Kensington, and that is saying something. And most of these the pretty hardcore GT3 and GT3 RS variants :drool:
And it is a beautiful area, and the B-roads to the Ring are great as well. Just watch your speed, I'm expecting a little souvenir photo from the Polizei in the mailbox soon....
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They must have a field day in that area catch people speeding to and from the ring.
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I had a leaky DV and was only pushing out 180 hp or so in my estimation, and never felt a lack of power in my lap.
best quote eva. i would sig this if i had any space left.
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Hey liking the new sig there sharpie, you are so funny is your dad called Egbert. by the way.
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Hey liking the new sig there sharpie, you are so funny is your dad called Egbert. by the way.
Not only that, Im guessing he has green eyes...............
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I had a leaky DV and was only pushing out 180 hp or so in my estimation, and never felt a lack of power in my lap.
best quote eva. i would sig this if i had any space left.
I think your sig there mate has gone past being a joke, sounds like a little bit of jealousy that to me! :grin: :grin: :grin:
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thats all sharpie is, a jelouse little "ghay" ( :huh:) boy!
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"Mk5 GTI, optional black, optional heated seats, didn't go for the sat nav or audio packs, 3 years outstanding finance, parkings sensors cos i'm a woman, shopping list forum sig, carbon fibre sticky on bits with no weight saving purpose, ten pot brakes even though i'm never on a track"
Hmm, It's not Sharpie's fault, he's just a wee bit immature, probably a wee bit inadequte too and possibly - just possibly a wee bit inaccurate :smug:
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i'm not jealous at all, i've already been to the nurburgring and look forward to going again next year. as for my sig, if you want to discuss it, by all means, create a new topic and i shall
discuss it tear you to pieces there, rather than ruining this guy's ring thread.
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And moving swiftly on..
nice pics, if i ever get the mk1 project up and running the goal is to get it to the 'ring
enjoy the new sig sharpie, a gift from me to you :kiss:
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Flippin 'eck it was busy there! I've been to the Ring four times now and each time it's been busier than the previous time but never as busy as it is in those pics!!
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Flippin 'eck it was busy there! I've been to the Ring four times now and each time it's been busier than the previous time but never as busy as it is in those pics!!
so when do you think is best to go :smiley:
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me and my mate went end o april and it was busy ish but car porn all over the place :drool: :drool:
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d122/mat138l/thering2008007.jpg)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d122/mat138l/thering2008020.jpg)
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you fancy doing a trip with a few of us :smiley:
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Hmm, if you guys are going I'll try to co-ordinate with the Dutch guys over here. A nice cross channel GTI meet at the Ring? :nerd:
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you fancy doing a trip with a few of us :smiley:
yes we are going next year any way so i will sort a date out soon and see who want to come if you want
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you fancy doing a trip with a few of us :smiley:
yes we are going next year any way so i will sort a date out soon and see who want to come if you want
SCWEEEEEEEEEET :evil: il defo come mate :afro:
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Hmm, if you guys are going I'll try to co-ordinate with the Dutch guys over here. A nice cross channel GTI meet at the Ring? :nerd:
that would be great if we could do that :cool: DORINT hotel here i come again :drool:
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Sounds like a planned trip coming up....I'm in. Already got the dosh put to one side for a 'ring trip, so what better than to do it with some peeps off here :cool:
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Im in, really wanna go ASAP!! :cool:
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Sounds like a planned trip coming up....I'm in. Already got the dosh put to one side for a 'ring trip, so what better than to do it with some peeps off here :cool:
nice one fella :cool: we could have a chat about it at the rr day if you want and bang a few ideas about if you want :smiley:
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Flippin 'eck it was busy there! I've been to the Ring four times now and each time it's been busier than the previous time but never as busy as it is in those pics!!
so when do you think is best to go :smiley:
TBH, it's busy all the time now. The busiest times are when it's open for a full weekend. I'd advise you to incorporate some weekdays if you can, like Thurs-Tues or something similar because it's generally quieter. I'd also advise making the effort to get up early and get there when the track opens each morning (8am) and also the last hour tends to be reasonably quiet. The middle of the day in the height of summer is usually a no-no and I normally use that time to go spectating at different points around the track.
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(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff306/bolle2/auto/Ring/tf121008_256_edit.jpg)
Love this shot :cool: :cool:
I second that great pic..... :smiley:
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Oh, I remember talking to Hurdy over the summer about people wanting to go. Looks like we have quite a few people interested !
Im excited lol
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Once again Bolle great write up and Pics !
I want to go do this very soon !!
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Just out of interest what kind of times were the mkv's posting??? Do you even get your times?? :smiley:
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Just out of interest what kind of times were the mkv's posting??? Do you even get your times?? :smiley:
You aren't supposed to time your laps on the 'ring. Quite a few do, but I've been advised against it in the past.
Anyone know where you can get 'ring insurance and how much it is likely to be? I can't see my insurer stumping up if I punt it into the Armco :undecided:
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Just out of interest what kind of times were the mkv's posting??? Do you even get your times?? :smiley:
You aren't supposed to time your laps on the 'ring. Quite a few do, but I've been advised against it in the past.
Anyone know where you can get 'ring insurance and how much it is likely to be? I can't see my insurer stumping up if I punt it into the Armco :undecided:
try and get a track day or 2 in before we go and just dont drive like a cock and know your limits and you will be fine and you have good brakes now :cool: so you should stop quicker
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Ring your insurer and ask if there are any exclusions on the continent, mention autobahns and toll roads.. and even get it in writing. After all its just a public toll road, and not a race track.
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Ring your insurer and ask if there are any exclusions on the continent, mention autobahns and toll roads.. and even get it in writing. After all its just a public toll road, and not a race track.
Yeah, but I'm with AF and I know from past threads on other forums that they have refused to pay up for the Nordschleife even though it is classed as a public toll road like you say.
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Yeah.. they're one of the ones that actually list it as an exclusion :undecided:
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Didn't time my lap as:
*My first time on the Ring, don't know the track
*Way too busy, spend most of my time not following racing lines but staying to the right to give space to the fast guys.
I believe a GTI can do it a bit under 9 mins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmI57FGDVUw&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmI57FGDVUw&feature=related)
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Very nice report Bolle.
Mid week later in the day is less busy (less hungover too).
Your first lap will always be in your memory.
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Well you guys all seem to be pretty set on a trip out there. Can I just offer some suggestions and make some comments?
Don't time your laps - you're all talking about going for what are known as Tourist Fahren (TF) sessions - this is when the road is open as a public road to cars and bikes together. As it is a public road, being caught timing will mean that your insurance is invalid, especially if you were found to be timing at the time of an incident.
As someone has said German traffic laws apply. In addition to this, as the place is run by Nurburgring GmbH (a private company) there are what are often described as Hausrecht - house rules. This means they top up the laws with their own rules - no video or stills cameras in cars during TF. Get caught filming, timing, or get caught driving like a tosser and you can be banned, maybe for a day, a week, a season, or even life-time.
There is an EU accord for motor insurance across Europe. In every country in the EU your UK insurance provides the minimum level of cover required to drive in that country. This means you have third party insurance cover on your standard UK insurance.
Track day insurance cannot be bought to cover TF sessions - it's an open road, not a track.
PLEASE don't call your insurer and ask 'am I insured on the Nurburgring?'. The answer WILL be 'no'. The more people ask, the more exclusions will be included and the more difficult it will be to get insurance to drive there. Check your policy document (even if you're with Flux - it's another broker who thinks they have blanket exclusions).
Claims that you have heard being refused are for damage to the driven car. Damage to Armco and other cars IS covered, provided there are no written exclusions in your policy document.
I've stayed at the Dorint, personally I think it's a soulless Euro-bland hotel. There are far more friendly hotels where you can stay, which are cheaper and you will enjoy far more of the spirit of the 'ring.
I've posted a bit more information here (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=94676.0).
Oh and this is a great photo:
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff306/bolle2/auto/Ring/tf121008_256_edit.jpg)
....if you want everyone to know you're a big girl who was too scared to drive one of the most thrilling and unique parts of the 'ring (the Karussell).
And of COURSE it's possible to drive the 'ring in under 9 minutes in a Golf. Here's (http://www.vimeo.com/1665139)a video of someone doing an 08:50 in a Golf MKII 16V, of course.
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Oh and this is a great photo:
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff306/bolle2/auto/Ring/tf121008_256_edit.jpg)
....if you want everyone to know you're a big girl who was too scared to drive one of the most thrilling and unique parts of the 'ring (the Karussell).
Yep you're absolutely right! I chickened out there big time.... first time out, very busy, company car etc etc. :wink:
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I posted a video on here of my lap.Even with the Porsche cup champion with me I was scared stiff.Didnt help seeing a couple of accidents.
If you have 12+ mins click below
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y131/Gulfstream11/th_MOV00418.jpg) (http://s4.photobucket.com/albums/y131/Gulfstream11/?action=view¤t=MOV00418.flv)
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I have the scratches under my splitter from the carousel :laugh: and the dorint is bit flash but all hotels were booked solid but still a nice place to stay.