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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: 182_blue on 09 October 2008, 21:05
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is it normal to get faults after remapping ?
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What ones are they Shaun??
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What you getting?
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mostly 004 - No Signal/Communication type, the mileage and time is same as when i applied the new map the other night
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never had any trouble with any of my re mapped cars , and they all go like stink !!!!!!! my other halfs vrs fabia has this no comms fault but hers WAS NT CUSTOM CODE ! :cool:
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Not another Superchips strikes again... :grin:
Doesn't sound normal though mate, not had it on either of my Revo mapped cars (no faults, problems etc at all in fact)
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You always get an error at time of remap, but they shouldn't reappear.
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You always get an error at time of remap, but they shouldn't reappear.
yeh, they have cleared, cant remember what i had last time i mapped it though ?
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ditch the superchips mate go a few junctions up the m1 to jbs and i ll bet your smiling all the way home :wink:
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ditch the superchips mate go a few junctions up the m1 to jbs and i ll bet your smiling all the way home :wink:
hmm, i thought someone said there maps were dodgy ?
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Basically, the CanBus doesn't know how to interpet the flash, so with most maps you will get at least one error at time of flash.
Once cleared, it should be fine.
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Basically, the CanBus doesn't know how to interpet the flash, so with most maps you will get at least one error at time of flash.
Once cleared, it should be fine.
yeh, most faults were related to things that were working whilst i was flashing too
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Shaun, just get to the Revo day and be done with it.. :wink:
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i have had codes on 2 cars one on the ed30 a trial apr map and the car would not start after it took about 6 turns of the key :shocked:
00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK0000
01-Engine -- Status: OK0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK
0000 56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door,Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
76-Park Assist -- Status: OK 0000
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Shaun, just get to the Revo day and be done with it.. :wink:
im going to see how the bluefin goes, then again :cool:
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It is quite normal to get some codes when flashing, it's not a problem and they should just clear off, if you are using BF and don't have VAG-COM then you'll just have to live with that I think.
Those of you with BF - Has anyone been keeping an eye on your flash counter?
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i thought that bluefin resets the flash counter now? although i dont see why you would keep swapping maps unless you were taking it for a service, so it shouldn't really make much difference.
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It is quite normal to get some codes when flashing, it's not a problem and they should just clear off, if you are using BF and don't have VAG-COM then you'll just have to live with that I think.
Those of you with BF - Has anyone been keeping an eye on your flash counter?
yeh, if i had thought i could have used the fault finder on the bluefin, anyway all good now, just when i originally mapped the car i didnt have vag com and only got it after i had installed the sat nav so i probably attributed all the faults to the install of tha nav (wrongly of course :grin:)
cheers Stu and coco
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i thought that bluefin resets the flash counter now? although i dont see why you would keep swapping maps unless you were taking it for a service, so it shouldn't really make much difference.
That's what they told me when I spoke to them ..... it didn't used to do it but does now. Apparently every time you reflash the ECU it applies a '-1' to the flash counter so effectively remains as it was to prying eyes.
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i thought that bluefin resets the flash counter now? although i dont see why you would keep swapping maps unless you were taking it for a service, so it shouldn't really make much difference.
That's what they told me when I spoke to them ..... it didn't used to do it but does now. Apparently every time you reflash the ECU it applies a '-1' to the flash counter so effectively remains as it was to prying eyes.
not true any more it resets now
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i thought that bluefin resets the flash counter now?
Don't think so, especially with the Bosch MED series of ECUs. Every upload from the handset wil be recorded as a flash write to the EEPROM.
although i dont see why you would keep swapping maps unless you were taking it for a service, so it shouldn't really make much difference.
Warranty. The flash count on your ECU is checked against the master database via the online link to VWAG.
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is there anyway of clearing the count
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also can the count be seen on vag com
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bluefin and revo all reset the counter, ask them and they will tell you
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LOL, im confused now
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LOL, im confused now
i asked both revo and superchips about the counter and superchips said theres did leave a count of how many times it reflashed but they stopped it doing it with an upgrade that you will have, revo said the same thing that theres has never left a count
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fair enough, can i view the flash count on VCDS ?
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They all leave a flash count. However, sommat like Revo, where all their codes are loaded onto the ECU, they just make one flash count. With Bluefin, each time you upload/download to/form the handset, a new flash count is added each time.
Dispite what they may tell you, there is no way round this on modern MED ECUs. Only on the earlier types of ECUs is it possible to disable, or re-write the flash count.
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fair enough, can i view the flash count on VCDS ?
Nope. Only the stealer can do that, with a live hook up to Wolfsburg.
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you see im confused again now
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i thought that bluefin resets the flash counter now? although i dont see why you would keep swapping maps unless you were taking it for a service, so it shouldn't really make much difference.
That's what they told me when I spoke to them ..... it didn't used to do it but does now. Apparently every time you reflash the ECU it applies a '-1' to the flash counter so effectively remains as it was to prying eyes.
not true any more it resets now
??? That's effectively what I was saying .... I think ???
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They all leave a flash count. However, sommat like Revo, where all their codes are loaded onto the ECU, they just make one flash count. With Bluefin, each time you upload/download to/form the handset, a new flash count is added each time.
Dispite what they may tell you, there is no way round this on modern MED ECUs. Only on the earlier types of ECUs is it possible to disable, or re-write the flash count.
Just because you have bluefin doesnt mean you need to keep flashing and unflashing LOL, ok so with a Revo the map is on the car when at the dealers, wont they notice this then ?, and the switch just turns the map off then ?, so i guess they know this is still there too then
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With Revo or APR the 'performance' map is encrypted .... surely if the dealer had something to try and view the settings on this bit they would see they couldn't ... as it's encrypted .... which, no matter what 'map' from Revo or APR the car is using at that time, would indicate the car has been remapped.
With Superchips, if put back - reflashed - to standard ... they see the original map with nothing hidden or encrypted. The only potential issue is the flash counter which Superchips say is now reset every time you reflash.
Much as I prefer the idea of Revo or APR the Superchips map appeals for this reason alone....
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They all leave a flash count. However, sommat like Revo, where all their codes are loaded onto the ECU, they just make one flash count. With Bluefin, each time you upload/download to/form the handset, a new flash count is added each time.
Dispite what they may tell you, there is no way round this on modern MED ECUs. Only on the earlier types of ECUs is it possible to disable, or re-write the flash count.
Just because you have bluefin doesnt mean you need to keep flashing and unflashing LOL, ok so with a Revo the map is on the car when at the dealers, wont they notice this then ?, and the switch just turns the map off then ?, so i guess they know this is still there too then
But with a Bluefin, the map is stored on the handset thingy. When you first get your handset, you have to plug it in to your OBD port, where it reads the data of the map already stored. You then hook up the 'fin to the internet, where your OEM map is "stored" at SC hq (this is so you can not use the Bluefin on more than one car), and SC then send a new map to the handset. Superchips coding is such that only one map is actually stored on the ECU.
Revo is different, in that their map is directly written to the ECU just once, thus completely overwriting the original VW map. However, the maps supplied by Revo have much more data in them, and the SPS simply selects and adjusts one of the three main variables.
So, with Revo, no matter how many times you play with the SPS, you arn't affecting the flash count. However, with the Bluefin, each time you revert to standard, or then reload the SC map, the flash counter is added to.
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Installing the map only uses one flash as far as I'm aware, as the first hook up just reads the code, anyway flash count aside the dealer won't need to look at the flash count as it will be obvious the car has a map if it's still on the car
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Little birdie tells me its possible to hack the flash count checksum on MED ecu's now. Although I'll believe it when I see it.
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Most things are hackable ;-)
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With Revo or APR the 'performance' map is encrypted ....surely if the dealer had something to try and view the settings on this bit they would see they couldn't ... as it's encrypted .... which, no matter what 'map' from Revo or APR the car is using at that time, would indicate the car has been remapped.
All maps from all suppliers are "encrypted". And the stealer won't actually know what map is physically stored on the ECU chip - and that is where the potential for damage lies. The stealers kit cannot actually try and "look" for what type of map is on the ECU.
Because OEM VW maps are written with a "sequential check code" hidden in them - if any OEM map is written to an ECU which does not contain the "previous" oem map, the overwrite of this new map can actually completely lock the ECU. Once that happens, the ECU is scrap, and a complete new ECU must be purchased and fitted.
The only way the stealer will know that it has had a remap is from the flash count. And like I said, the GTI ECUs flash count can NOT be reset, dispite anyone saying otherwise. Only the the Bosch ME series and older can have the flash count altered.
With Superchips, if put back - reflashed - to standard ... they see the original map with nothing hidden or encrypted. The only potential issue is the flash counter which Superchips say is now reset every time you reflash.
Exactly. Revo equals just one flash count. Bluefin equals one flash count everytime you switch from and to standard and SC map.
Much as I prefer the idea of Revo or APR the Superchips map appeals for this reason alone....
Sorry, but I dont agree. Each will register flash count, and if you like to repeatedly swap a Bluefin map, you are gonna add an aweful lot of flash counts. The stealers will then know you have a Bluefin, and being as most stealers don't rate SC maps, it will be very clear that your warranty could be on very thin ice. Don't forget that some VAG stealers actually offer Revo maps, with a warranty, because Revo have been proven over the years not to be damaging to engines. This can not be said for maps from other companies.
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Installing the map only uses one flash as far as I'm aware, as the first hook up just reads the code, anyway flash count aside the dealer won't need to look at the flash count as it will be obvious the car has a map if it's still on the car
Not necessarily so. I repeatedly get asked/accused that my GTI has had a remap - when it most certainly aint. On all my cars, I run them in correctly, and they then develop above average power. Even my <cough> pre VAG cars stealers used to ask the same.
But more importantly, irrespective of the actual flash count, I think it is reasonable to assume that most so-called techies emplyed by the stealers arnt the most brightest! They may not actually check the flash count before applying a new OEM map - and unwittingly frazzle your ECU.
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Most things are hackable ;-)
That may be true, but even if the flash count were hacked, how would you overcome the oem sequential code check?
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Ahh, that would be telling , but it would involve the sequential randomiser reveral tool :laugh:
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Installing the map only uses one flash as far as I'm aware, as the first hook up just reads the code, anyway flash count aside the dealer won't need to look at the flash count as it will be obvious the car has a map if it's still on the car
Not necessarily so. I repeatedly get asked/accused that my GTI has had a remap - when it most certainly aint. On all my cars, I run them in correctly, and they then develop above average power. Even my <cough> pre VAG cars stealers used to ask the same.
But more importantly, irrespective of the actual flash count, I think it is reasonable to assume that most so-called techies emplyed by the stealers arnt the most brightest! They may not actually check the flash count before applying a new OEM map - and unwittingly frazzle your ECU.
concur with you on this one T_T, Mine is well looked after and is producing above stock performance 237bhp (with the odd bit of black smoke aparently!)
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FYI
The fault codes were normal but should have been cleared down by the person who mapped your car - if they re-appear then you have a problem.
You can erase the number of flashes the ecu has had and it does store them - but you would have a very sad mech if he checks 'em
Just my 2 pennies :wink:
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i was the person who installed the map LOL, and faults have gone
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Installing the map only uses one flash as far as I'm aware, as the first hook up just reads the code, anyway flash count aside the dealer won't need to look at the flash count as it will be obvious the car has a map if it's still on the car
Not necessarily so. I repeatedly get asked/accused that my GTI has had a remap - when it most certainly aint. On all my cars, I run them in correctly, and they then develop above average power. Even my <cough> pre VAG cars stealers used to ask the same.
But more importantly, irrespective of the actual flash count, I think it is reasonable to assume that most so-called techies emplyed by the stealers arnt the most brightest! They may not actually check the flash count before applying a new OEM map - and unwittingly frazzle your ECU.
concur with you on this one T_T, Mine is well looked after and is producing above stock performance 237bhp (with the odd bit of black smoke aparently!)
And the standard bhp figure for the Ed30 is what - 226bhp? :huh:
Don't forget that all direct injection petrol engines can give off a bit of black smoke - especially if the cat aint up to proper temp.
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And the standard bhp figure for the Ed30 is what - 226bhp? :huh:
Don't forget that all direct injection petrol engines can give off a bit of black smoke - especially if the cat aint up to proper temp.
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227bhp standard. I had my engine on alot shorter then others left their engines running before going on the rollers. That would explain little black smoke on lift off of the throttle. although temp gauge was on 90 degrees before handing phylis over to JKM.
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And the standard bhp figure for the Ed30 is what - 226bhp? :huh:
Don't forget that all direct injection petrol engines can give off a bit of black smoke - especially if the cat aint up to proper temp.
227bhp standard. I had my engine on alot shorter then others left their engines running before going on the rollers. That would explain little black smoke on lift off of the throttle. although temp gauge was on 90 degrees before handing phylis over to JKM.
OK, the cats can take as little as 90 seconds to reach temps. However, being as JKMs rollers are up a ramp, with their BFO hair dryer blowing away, and with the angle of the car, it is posible that the cats were being overcooled. Then again, I may be talking cr@p! :undecided:
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TT - I don't normally like to disagree with you mate but on this occasion I think I may have to.
The flash counter can be viewed with VCDS - Look in Advinced ID of Engine 01.
The flash counter can be 'reset', I know for sure REVO do it I've seen it with my very own little peepers.
The Checksum is also dealt with by the software, it would have to be because as you quite rightly say if the ECU sees a change in the checksum it will lock up tighter than Phil McC's wallet!!
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..if the ECU sees a change in the checksum it will lock up tighter than Phil McC's wallet!!
:grin:
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..if the ECU sees a change in the checksum it will lock up tighter than Phil McC's wallet!!
:grin:
:laugh:
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TT - I don't normally like to disagree with you mate but on this occasion I think I may have to.
The flash counter can be viewed with VCDS - Look in Advinced ID of Engine 01.
The flash counter can be 'reset', I know for sure REVO do it I've seen it with my very own little peepers.
The Checksum is also dealt with by the software, it would have to be because as you quite rightly say if the ECU sees a change in the checksum it will lock up tighter than Phil McC's wallet!!
this one Stu
Saturday,11,October,2008,20:07:01:13340
VCDS Version: Release 805.1
Data version: 20080823
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Address 01: Engine
Control Module Part Number: 1K0 907 115 T
Component and/or Version: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI 0010
Software Coding: 0403000318070160
Work Shop Code: WSC 66565
Advanced Identification
Serial number: VW********
Identification: RB8-658
Revision: 5BH16---
Date: ********
Manufacturer number: 0592
Test stand number: 1360
Flash Status
Programming Attempts: 0
Successful Attempts: 0
Programming Status: 00000000
Required Conditions: 00000000
Software
A000
A4.9.6
Misc.
Hardware number: 8P0 907 115 B
Immo IV Challenge: B9 50 94 21
Car Info
Chassis Number: **************
**** used to protect cars identity
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TT - I don't normally like to disagree with you mate but on this occasion I think I may have to.
The flash counter can be viewed with VCDS - Look in Advinced ID of Engine 01.
The flash counter can be 'reset', I know for sure REVO do it I've seen it with my very own little peepers.
The Checksum is also dealt with by the software, it would have to be because as you quite rightly say if the ECU sees a change in the checksum it will lock up tighter than Phil McC's wallet!!
Now that is Feckin tight!!!!
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This bit -
Flash Status
Programming Attempts: 0
Successful Attempts: 0
Programming Status: 00000000
Required Conditions: 00000000
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Sorry off topic, but just spotted this in Stu's signature -
Stu
2008 Audi S3 - Ibis White, Black Optics Pack, Auto Bi Xenon Headlights, Rain Sensing Wipers, Bose Sound System, Ipod Prep, GSM Phone Prep, Electric Folding Mirrors, Acoustic Parking, Cruise Control, Non Smokers Pack.
Sound's very nice :drool: but where's the pictures ?
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sounds very familiar :smiley: