I'm not sure it will become a classic but I've no doubt it's still an incredibly desirable car. I overtook a cruising steel grey R32 this morning, xenon's sparkling in the morning sunshine, and it looked lovely. For a moment I really wanted one!
Does it have noticeably better traction than the GTi?
Does it have noticeably better traction than the GTi?well the r32 is AWD whilst the gti is just FWD so yes.
Does it have noticeably better traction than the GTi?well the r32 is AWD whilst the gti is just FWD so yes.
not true its front wheel drive and is only 4 wheel drive when traction is lost at the front :wink:
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not true its front wheel drive and is only 4 wheel drive when traction is lost at the front :wink:
100% correct.
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not true its front wheel drive and is only 4 wheel drive when traction is lost at the front :wink:
100% correct.
exactly how much money do you think you will save getting a VXR ?
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not true its front wheel drive and is only 4 wheel drive when traction is lost at the front :wink:
100% correct.
i am an ex mk4 r32 owner so know how the handle and also had neuspeed arbs on mine and it made a big change to the car :smiley:
i am an ex mk4 r32 owner so know how the handle and also had neuspeed arbs on mine and it made a big change to the car :smiley:
What made you swap for a GTI? The mk4 R32 was a fantastic car so I'm kinda curious :smiley:.
I keep wondering to myself if i should have gone for an R over the ed30. Im happy with the ed30 but everytime i hear an R i just wonder :undecided:
Being a previous owner of 2 MK5 R32,S!!! I do miss having one.The grip was unreal actually better than my RS4!!! Certanily miss the exhaust note and again the R32 on full chat got me more attention than the RS4 curenntly.
Go for it and get one as i always say "you only live once" and in a few years time you wont be able to enjoy a peformance car in this f**king global warming,tree hugging world we live in!!! :angry: :angry:
I personally didnt think the running costs were unmanageable but again depends on mileage and useage i suppose.
GO ON GET ONE,YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO. :grin:
oh my god dave at last you have some wheels :laugh: its about time :wink:Haha!
Does it have noticeably better traction than the GTi?well the r32 is AWD whilst the gti is just FWD so yes.
Let me tell u now that the R32 is one of the best handling cars on the road along side subs and evos. TypeR's, ST's, GTI, VXR, u name it. The computer system setup to run the car as 4wd as required is amazin...
got to agree they look the dogs!!! Looked great an Gaz'z car... one of my faves RIP :cool:
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not true its front wheel drive and is only 4 wheel drive when traction is lost at the front :wink:
100% correct.
More like 10% correct. It works on a constant 90/10 distribution and sends torque to the rear based on rotational differences front->rear. It doesn't have to be 'slip' :wink:
I've since had the Haldex Controller fitted and in race mode (70% RWD) understeer is GONE, turn in is sharper and it's feels like it's on bloody rails!!
So are you saying the gti is a better handling car than the r32 :huh:Let me tell u now that the R32 is one of the best handling cars on the road along side subs and evos. TypeR's, ST's, GTI, VXR, u name it. The computer system setup to run the car as 4wd as required is amazin...
I am sorry, but that just aint true. The R32 does understeer at low speeds, and no matter what you do with the throttle you can not dial out this. At high speeds, the R32 is very "twitchy" on the limit. The GTI is a much more neutral handling car.
So are you saying the gti is a better handling car than the r32 :huh:Let me tell u now that the R32 is one of the best handling cars on the road along side subs and evos. TypeR's, ST's, GTI, VXR, u name it. The computer system setup to run the car as 4wd as required is amazin...
I am sorry, but that just aint true. The R32 does understeer at low speeds, and no matter what you do with the throttle you can not dial out this. At high speeds, the R32 is very "twitchy" on the limit. The GTI is a much more neutral handling car.
Wow T_T, I've never known someone spew so much bollux in all my life. :rolleyes:
Well instead of insulting me, try and answer my sepcific concern! :rolleyes:
Well instead of insulting me, try and answer my sepcific concern! :rolleyes:
In one of the many shots fired from your fact gun, you aimed an insult bullet directly at me, claiming I believe in fairy tales…
As an owner, who’s driven thirteen thousand miles in an R32 and had the Haldex controller fitted...
I can confirm that if I put it in Race mode and perform a standing start, there is an unquestionable sensation of being pushed down the road rather than pulled. It sometimes feels like the fronts are doing nothing at all.
I understand the car is not permanent 70/30 RWD bias but if you really think that it can’t shift more than 50% to the rear wheels then you sir, have never driven a MkV R32 in Race mode.
I would take my own experiences and manufacturer info over a bloke on a public forum, no offence.
Well instead of insulting me, try and answer my sepcific concern! :rolleyes:
In one of the many shots fired from your fact gun, you aimed an insult bullet directly at me, claiming I believe in fairy tales…
Please quote me correctly. I merely ASKED who had provided such info, to your very specific claim of 70% going to the rear.
And if you did feel that I made a "personal attack", then I apologise, as it wasn't meant to be "personal" at all. :smiley:As an owner, who’s driven thirteen thousand miles in an R32 and had the Haldex controller fitted...
And I am speaking as a highly qualifed Automobile Engineering Technician, who fully understands the detailed operation of transmissions, and particularly four wheel drive transmissions, and has spent many, many years working on such systems.
And I add to that my own personal experiences of driving various Haldex cars - albeit with just the "standard" Haldex software in the controller. :rolleyes:I can confirm that if I put it in Race mode and perform a standing start, there is an unquestionable sensation of being pushed down the road rather than pulled. It sometimes feels like the fronts are doing nothing at all.
I don't question that at all, and I fully understand and agree with you. And it is simply down to weght transfer during acceleration which creates such an effect.I understand the car is not permanent 70/30 RWD bias but if you really think that it can’t shift more than 50% to the rear wheels then you sir, have never driven a MkV R32 in Race mode.
But I am sorry, I have to disagree with you. Please tell me how the Haldex unit is able to disengage the drive to the front axle? It can NOT do so, because the front axle is permanently driven, irrespective of what the Haldex is doing. The Haldex is simply a clutch, and not a differential, and so it can NOT dynamically apportion torque from one axle to another. At best, irrespective of weather the Haldex is standard or "race", the Haldex unit simply locks its clutch at a clamping force of 100% - and this simply locks the rear axle to the front - meaning an exact 50:50 bias.
With your "Race" mode, what is actually happening, is that the Haldex is locking its clutch before you move off, thereby giving and exact 50:50 bias, but, because of the weight transfer effectively being pushed to the rear of the car during acceleration, it then "feels" like the fronts are doing very little, and the rears feel as though they are doing the major share of the traction. The actual apportioning of drive though can be no more than 50% to the rear axle.I would take my own experiences and manufacturer info over a bloke on a public forum, no offence.
Firstly, no one is doubting your "experiences". However, what you "feel" through the seat of your pants is not the same as the fundamental priciples of Automobile Engineering. :smiley:
Furthermore, Haldex Traction have repeatedly been found to "fudge" their figures, and squew their claims. Haldex make incorrect claims by ignoring the "industry standard" of describing vehicle dynamics. Google "Vehicle Dynamics International", blag yourself some free tickets, and then speak to some of THE most eminent professionals of the motor industry - and not one will back up Haldex Tractions' methods of describing the distribution of drive in their four wheel drive systems (or the way Haldex "discredit" 4wd systems with an ATB centre differential).
Kind regards. :smiley:
I beg to differ,the gti may be more lighter and nimble but that does not mean it handles better .(down to personal taste)so why would a multi million pound company use haldex.Why didn't they make it 2wd like the eos 3.2 . Maybe these German engineers don't no that much about carsSo are you saying the gti is a better handling car than the r32 :huh:Let me tell u now that the R32 is one of the best handling cars on the road along side subs and evos. TypeR's, ST's, GTI, VXR, u name it. The computer system setup to run the car as 4wd as required is amazin...
I am sorry, but that just aint true. The R32 does understeer at low speeds, and no matter what you do with the throttle you can not dial out this. At high speeds, the R32 is very "twitchy" on the limit. The GTI is a much more neutral handling car.
Yup, whenever I drive them back to back, the GTI is far better in the handling department. This has also been repeatedly confirmed by various mags and TV progs.
You can not go a round a corner faster just because you have 4wd...
There seems to be some pretty good Personal Contract Hire deals on R32's at the mo :
http://www.vwbestbuys.co.uk/top-five-special-offers.html
I realise you have to add the dreaded VAT onto the prices quoted for personal contracts, but I beileve the annual DVLA tax is paid for, for the whole contract period ?
Does anyone finance and run their car with PCH ?
What are the disadvantages ?
Handling is a pretty vague term - to one person it could mean one thing, but to another it could mean something completely different.that is why i said contributes,which it does not in all circumstances of handling but some it does
I think to the ordinary person good handling is thought of in terms of ultimate grip
But obviously, this view does not take into account the many other facets that contribute to handling, such as steering feel / turn in capability / chassis balance etc etc etc
Handling is a pretty vague term - to one person it could mean one thing, but to another it could mean something completely different.that is why i said contributes,which it does not in all circumstances of handling but some it does
I think to the ordinary person good handling is thought of in terms of ultimate grip
But obviously, this view does not take into account the many other facets that contribute to handling, such as steering feel / turn in capability / chassis balance etc etc etc
You can not go a round a corner faster just because you have 4wd...
I see what your saying.. but 4WD can ensure that power is sent to where its required/not wasted to make the car go round the corner faster. So you are infact WRONG.. try taking 2 cars with even power and weight round the same corner. I would put my money on the 4WD thanks!
You can not go a round a corner faster just because you have 4wd...
I see what your saying.. but 4WD can ensure that power is sent to where its required/not wasted to make the car go round the corner faster. So you are infact WRONG.. try taking 2 cars with even power and weight round the same corner. I would put my money on the 4WD thanks!
It is thinking that way that have made many a subaru impreza driver crash into a hedge. You can not change the grip of a tyre just because it is on a 4wd car. If it is wet, the 4wd car would be able to power out of a corner earlier than a 2wd car. It would not be able to go into or around the corner faster.
illyun - hello :wink:Hi Doc.. nice to see you back.. only a guest appearance? Nice set of vehicles you have there... that 535 must really go like stink and I have heard that with a little remap, the torque goes through the roof :evil: :evil: :evil:
You can not go a round a corner faster just because you have 4wd...
I see what your saying.. but 4WD can ensure that power is sent to where its required/not wasted to make the car go round the corner faster. So you are infact WRONG.. try taking 2 cars with even power and weight round the same corner. I would put my money on the 4WD thanks!
It is thinking that way that have made many a subaru impreza driver crash into a hedge. You can not change the grip of a tyre just because it is on a 4wd car. If it is wet, the 4wd car would be able to power out of a corner earlier than a 2wd car. It would not be able to go into or around the corner faster.
we need more pictures of your car ukdub
Hi Ill,
Got a MK5 R32 here that of of my engineers uses - '56 plate in blue 3 door leather sat nav 6 cd done 18k how much are they worth these days?
You can not go a round a corner faster just because you have 4wd...
I see what your saying.. but 4WD can ensure that power is sent to where its required/not wasted to make the car go round the corner faster. So you are infact WRONG.. try taking 2 cars with even power and weight round the same corner. I would put my money on the 4WD thanks!
It is thinking that way that have made many a subaru impreza driver crash into a hedge. You can not change the grip of a tyre just because it is on a 4wd car. If it is wet, the 4wd car would be able to power out of a corner earlier than a 2wd car. It would not be able to go into or around the corner faster.
Well instead of insulting me, try and answer my sepcific concern! :rolleyes:
In one of the many shots fired from your fact gun, you aimed an insult bullet directly at me, claiming I believe in fairy tales…
Please quote me correctly. I merely ASKED who had provided such info, to your very specific claim of 70% going to the rear.
And if you did feel that I made a "personal attack", then I apologise, as it wasn't meant to be "personal" at all. :smiley:As an owner, who’s driven thirteen thousand miles in an R32 and had the Haldex controller fitted...
And I am speaking as a highly qualifed Automobile Engineering Technician, who fully understands the detailed operation of transmissions, and particularly four wheel drive transmissions, and has spent many, many years working on such systems.
And I add to that my own personal experiences of driving various Haldex cars - albeit with just the "standard" Haldex software in the controller. :rolleyes:I can confirm that if I put it in Race mode and perform a standing start, there is an unquestionable sensation of being pushed down the road rather than pulled. It sometimes feels like the fronts are doing nothing at all.
I don't question that at all, and I fully understand and agree with you. And it is simply down to weght transfer during acceleration which creates such an effect.I understand the car is not permanent 70/30 RWD bias but if you really think that it can’t shift more than 50% to the rear wheels then you sir, have never driven a MkV R32 in Race mode.
But I am sorry, I have to disagree with you. Please tell me how the Haldex unit is able to disengage the drive to the front axle? It can NOT do so, because the front axle is permanently driven, irrespective of what the Haldex is doing. The Haldex is simply a clutch, and not a differential, and so it can NOT dynamically apportion torque from one axle to another. At best, irrespective of weather the Haldex is standard or "race", the Haldex unit simply locks its clutch at a clamping force of 100% - and this simply locks the rear axle to the front - meaning an exact 50:50 bias.
With your "Race" mode, what is actually happening, is that the Haldex is locking its clutch before you move off, thereby giving and exact 50:50 bias, but, because of the weight transfer effectively being pushed to the rear of the car during acceleration, it then "feels" like the fronts are doing very little, and the rears feel as though they are doing the major share of the traction. The actual apportioning of drive though can be no more than 50% to the rear axle.I would take my own experiences and manufacturer info over a bloke on a public forum, no offence.
Firstly, no one is doubting your "experiences". However, what you "feel" through the seat of your pants is not the same as the fundamental priciples of Automobile Engineering. :smiley:
Furthermore, Haldex Traction have repeatedly been found to "fudge" their figures, and squew their claims. Haldex make incorrect claims by ignoring the "industry standard" of describing vehicle dynamics. Google "Vehicle Dynamics International", blag yourself some free tickets, and then speak to some of THE most eminent professionals of the motor industry - and not one will back up Haldex Tractions' methods of describing the distribution of drive in their four wheel drive systems (or the way Haldex "discredit" 4wd systems with an ATB centre differential).
Kind regards. :smiley:
You can not go a round a corner faster just because you have 4wd...
I see what your saying.. but 4WD can ensure that power is sent to where its required/not wasted to make the car go round the corner faster. So you are infact WRONG.. try taking 2 cars with even power and weight round the same corner. I would put my money on the 4WD thanks!
It is thinking that way that have made many a subaru impreza driver crash into a hedge. You can not change the grip of a tyre just because it is on a 4wd car. If it is wet, the 4wd car would be able to power out of a corner earlier than a 2wd car. It would not be able to go into or around the corner faster.
I never said it would be quicker into a corner. But it will be quicker around it.. as like you said, you can put the power down earlier. :smug:
You can not go a round a corner faster just because you have 4wd...
I see what your saying.. but 4WD can ensure that power is sent to where its required/not wasted to make the car go round the corner faster. So you are infact WRONG.. try taking 2 cars with even power and weight round the same corner. I would put my money on the 4WD thanks!
It is thinking that way that have made many a subaru impreza driver crash into a hedge. You can not change the grip of a tyre just because it is on a 4wd car. If it is wet, the 4wd car would be able to power out of a corner earlier than a 2wd car. It would not be able to go into or around the corner faster.
I never said it would be quicker into a corner. But it will be quicker around it.. as like you said, you can put the power down earlier. :smug:
How can it go round a corner faster? Are the tyres more sticky on a 4wd car? I wasn't trying to be smug or pretend to know all about 4wd or the Haldex unit. Just because the engine is driving all wheels it doesn't make the tyres GRIP the road anymore than on a 2wd car. Like you and I said, a 4wd car can power out of a corner faster that is down to traction not GRIP. That in its self doesn't make it a faster or better handling car. Over to you dude. :smiley:
Where is the T_T??? :huh:
probably gone out to test drive another R32 i owuld imagine :nerd:
You can not go a round a corner faster just because you have 4wd...
I see what your saying.. but 4WD can ensure that power is sent to where its required/not wasted to make the car go round the corner faster. So you are infact WRONG.. try taking 2 cars with even power and weight round the same corner. I would put my money on the 4WD thanks!
It is thinking that way that have made many a subaru impreza driver crash into a hedge. You can not change the grip of a tyre just because it is on a 4wd car. If it is wet, the 4wd car would be able to power out of a corner earlier than a 2wd car. It would not be able to go into or around the corner faster.
I never said it would be quicker into a corner. But it will be quicker around it.. as like you said, you can put the power down earlier. :smug:
How can it go round a corner faster? Are the tyres more sticky on a 4wd car? I wasn't trying to be smug or pretend to know all about 4wd or the Haldex unit. Just because the engine is driving all wheels it doesn't make the tyres GRIP the road anymore than on a 2wd car. Like you and I said, a 4wd car can power out of a corner faster that is down to traction not GRIP. That in its self doesn't make it a faster or better handling car. Over to you dude. :smiley:
Without going over old ground I think we both agree without going into detail that there are a few characteristics to handling, so to say a certain car is better handling than another could be broken down into a number of issues.
As for the issue of the 4wd car being able to go round a corner quicker.. try thinking of it like this:
The cars are not going to go around the corner as dead weight. If you apply power to the fronts they will at the limit start to understeer. When this same limit is approached in the 4wd car, its ability to introduce power through the rear will allow for better balance of power delivery, leaving the fronts to do what they do best.. which is steer. So what you could say is that by utilizing the traction available to the rear of the car you are infact able to go round the corner faster. The 2wd car is always going to be limited to only travelling as fast the fronts can get their power down onto the road, where as the 4WD car can counter this loss of grip (understeer) by the front wheels by providing drive through the rear wheels. Bringing the car back into line, and allowing the driver to drive the car round the corner... its the 4wd cars ability to do this that makes it faster round the corner.
Hope that makes sense, as you can see Im not the most technical person to talk about this but this is my understanding. I do appreciate that you are trying to highlight the point about grip and traction. Feel free to correct me. :smiley:
Back on track.
How would your wife react?
I have to admit to my drug addition. I had to admit it to my wife today. I phoned my wife to tell her. I didnt have to go to a doc cus there was nothing he could do for me. I explained to my wife that I have been addicted since 2006. I am still suffering from the come down effects and cant take it any more. I miss my fix. She asked me what the drug was...
....I told her it was a sound. A sound she says.......
Its called V6..........
R32 back with it's rightful owner. I cant wait :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Back on track.
How would your wife react?
I have to admit to my drug addition. I had to admit it to my wife today. I phoned my wife to tell her. I didnt have to go to a doc cus there was nothing he could do for me. I explained to my wife that I have been addicted since 2006. I am still suffering from the come down effects and cant take it any more. I miss my fix. She asked me what the drug was...
....I told her it was a sound. A sound she says.......
Its called V6..........
R32 back with it's rightful owner. I cant wait :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Was ment to ask you R32uk, Hows the Ford going???
^ spot on there toph!!
And lucky me got the 1.9 diesel engine... wooopie doooo! havent even managed to get it into 5th yet!!! firstly because you need two hands.. secondly because I think I will run out of road by the time we get to that speed!!
Im sick of people asking me if I have changed my car. How old do they think I am to go change my .:R for a Caddie???
Nice smooth ride though :huh:
Whats up with the R32?
What happenned - sorry but I haven't been around for a while - was he driving around like a hooligan again. R32, you should realise that you can't do that unless you've got a Mk1 GTI :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:Whats up with the R32?
In the body shop for repairs :(