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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Teutonic_Tamer on 06 October 2008, 12:08
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Just been mooching through the Ross-Tech Wiki, :nerd: and noticed that the Teves Mk60 ESP/ABS requires specific adaptation settings, based on what size front brakes are fitted - http://wiki.ross-tech.com/index.php/VW_Golf_%281K%29_Brake_Electronics_%28MK60%29. :wink:
So for those who have upgraded their front brakes, either with the OEM S3/R32/Cupra 345mm ones, or aftermarket big brakes such as AP/Alcon/Tarox - then you should really get your settings changed. If you have gone down the OEM route, then maybe your official stealer may do it, but for any aftermarket kits, you will need to find someone with VAG-COM/VCDS.
RedRobin: could this be a cause of your ESP issues?
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http://wiki.ross-tech.com/index.php/VW_Golf_%281K%29_Brake_Electronics_%28MK60%29. :wink:
a bit of early afternoon reading for mr TT :nerd: :nerd:
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now thats a nice meaty issue TT
From the codes is it adjustable or can you only pick from the options available (i.e. any OE setup available)?
Looks to be only a selection
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If you have upgraded from the 16" min wheel size standard brakes to the 17" min wheel size R32 ones you need to tell the cars software and set a hardware bridge. Just altering the register via VAG-COM is not enough.
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http://wiki.ross-tech.com/index.php/VW_Golf_%281K%29_Brake_Electronics_%28MK60%29. :wink:
a bit of early afternoon reading for mr TT :nerd: :nerd:
With compulsory sticky buns and earl grey! :tongue: :grin:
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now thats a nice meaty issue TT
From the codes is it adjustable or can you only pick from the options available (i.e. any OE setup available)?
Looks to be only a selection
You can make up your own values, but you REALLY need to know what you are doing with that stuff. Enter some "wrong" info that the relevant controller is unable to recognise, and you can end up actually ruining the component.
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Can my local revo dealer adjust these codes TT?
Put the leon cupra brakes on mine today :smiley:
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If you have upgraded from the 16" min wheel size standard brakes to the 17" min wheel size R32 ones you need to tell the cars software and set a hardware bridge. Just altering the register via VAG-COM is not enough.
Huh - WTF are you on about. :rolleyes:
For a start, you are using "yankie" terminology for measuring brakes, :sick: which most Brits and Europeans simply ignore (because the yankie measurements are factually incorrect and confusing to even the most basically educated European who can use a ruler or tape measure :rolleyes:). And all the VCDS recode is doing is altering the in-built bias compensation parameters for the differing hardware which has subsequently been fitted! :rolleyes:
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Can my local revo dealer adjust these codes TT?
If he has VAG-COM, then yes.
Put the leon cupra brakes on mine today :smiley:
Pictures . . . . :wink:
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Will get some up in a few minutes :smiley:
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Just been mooching through the Ross-Tech Wiki, :nerd: and noticed that the Teves Mk60 ESP/ABS requires specific adaptation settings, based on what size front brakes are fitted - http://wiki.ross-tech.com/index.php/VW_Golf_%281K%29_Brake_Electronics_%28MK60%29. :wink:
So for those who have upgraded their front brakes, either with the OEM S3/R32/Cupra 345mm ones, or aftermarket big brakes such as AP/Alcon/Tarox - then you should really get your settings changed. If you have gone down the OEM route, then maybe your official stealer may do it, but for any aftermarket kits, you will need to find someone with VAG-COM/VCDS.
RedRobin: could this be a cause of your ESP issues?
....Thanks for this, T_T :smiley:
However, I have run with my AP brake kit for well over 20k miles without any ESP issue and it wasn't until mixing F1 Assymetrics with F1 Directionals that the snatching issue occurred.
My ESP issue has now been resolved since VWR cleaned my Wheel Speed Sensors (their good idea) and installed my ATB diff.
Furthermore, all 4 Goodyear Assymetrics have now done a high enough mileage to settle in.
It's now working well and 'if it works, don't mend it' is something I learnt from my bike racing days (when I used to be fit and had bulging thigh muscles!).
Cheers :afro:
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Just been mooching through the Ross-Tech Wiki, :nerd: and noticed that the Teves Mk60 ESP/ABS requires specific adaptation settings, based on what size front brakes are fitted - http://wiki.ross-tech.com/index.php/VW_Golf_%281K%29_Brake_Electronics_%28MK60%29. :wink:
So for those who have upgraded their front brakes, either with the OEM S3/R32/Cupra 345mm ones, or aftermarket big brakes such as AP/Alcon/Tarox - then you should really get your settings changed. If you have gone down the OEM route, then maybe your official stealer may do it, but for any aftermarket kits, you will need to find someone with VAG-COM/VCDS.
RedRobin: could this be a cause of your ESP issues?
....Thanks for this, T_T :smiley:
However, I have run with my AP brake kit for well over 20k miles without any ESP issue and it wasn't until mixing F1 Assymetrics with F1 Directionals that the snatching issue occurred.
My ESP issue has now been resolved since VWR cleaned my Wheel Speed Sensors (their good idea) and installed my ATB diff.
Furthermore, all 4 Goodyear Assymetrics have now done a high enough mileage to settle in.
It's now working well and 'if it works, don't mend it' is something I learnt from my bike racing days (when I used to be fit and had bulging thigh muscles!).
Cheers :afro:
I would still get it changed. It is not just for the ESP, but is also crucially for the correct front to rear brake bias.
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Don't forget to change the coding link. It's not just a VAG-COM register setting you know.
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If you have upgraded from the 16" min wheel size standard brakes to the 17" min wheel size R32 ones you need to tell the cars software and set a hardware bridge. Just altering the register via VAG-COM is not enough.
Huh - WTF are you on about. :rolleyes:
For a start, you are using "yankie" terminology for measuring brakes, :sick: which most Brits and Europeans simply ignore (because the yankie measurements are factually incorrect and confusing to even the most basically educated European who can use a ruler or tape measure :rolleyes:). And all the VCDS recode is doing is altering the in-built bias compensation parameters for the differing hardware which has subsequently been fitted! :rolleyes:
Just because you didn't know about the hardware link don't have a fit. After all you can't know everything, can you?
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:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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^^^^ :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: Sausages sausages. (http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm104/tomashandmilly/Daft%20stuff/10_9_2091.gif)
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where the handbag pics when you need them
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:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
^^^^ :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: Sausages sausages. (http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm104/tomashandmilly/Daft%20stuff/10_9_2091.gif)
Classic!! :smiley: :laugh:
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where the handbag pics when you need them
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/VWhandbags.jpg)
See! I DO have pics other than sexy laydees in my collection! :evil:
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/Emma1.jpg)
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If you have upgraded from the 16" min wheel size standard brakes to the 17" min wheel size R32 ones you need to tell the cars software and set a hardware bridge. Just altering the register via VAG-COM is not enough.
Huh - WTF are you on about. :rolleyes:
For a start, you are using "yankie" terminology for measuring brakes, :sick: which most Brits and Europeans simply ignore (because the yankie measurements are factually incorrect and confusing to even the most basically educated European who can use a ruler or tape measure :rolleyes:). And all the VCDS recode is doing is altering the in-built bias compensation parameters for the differing hardware which has subsequently been fitted! :rolleyes:
Just because you didn't know about the hardware link don't have a fit.
Well then bollock chops, care to back up this statement? Have a link? And would you like to inform Ross-Tech of your findings too! :rolleyes:
After all you can't know everything, can you?
And when did I ever claim to know everything? I didn't!
But for the record, braking technologies are one of my very strong areas of expertise, and whilst I may not have an endless pit of knowledge, I am usually fairly accurate when brakes are involved. The simple fact is that the VAG-COM/VCDS is simply adressing the needs of the electronics which control the bias, specifically relating to differing specifications of hardware fitted.
If you can produce hard evidence to your comment, I will humbly apologise! :rolleyes:
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^^^^ :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: Sausages sausages. (http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm104/tomashandmilly/Daft%20stuff/10_9_2091.gif)
Pancakes . . . :cry:
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(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/Emma1.jpg)
Any relation? :drool:
And she is gaging for it up the ar...... :embarassed:
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Any relation? :drool:
And she is gagging for it up the ar...... :embarassed:
.... :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: - A gentleman doesn't tell :wink:
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Any relation? :drool:
And she is gagging for it up the ar...... :embarassed:
.... :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: - A gentleman doesn't tell :wink:
Awww! :cry:
I'll just have to have a quick knuckle shuffle! :embarassed: :evil:
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Come on Egbert, we are all poised on the edge of our seats as you come back to T_T with some technical facts.... :smug:
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It's gone all quiet . . . :rolleyes:
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Look what Sebastian at Ross-Tech has to say (the VAG-COM people)...
http://forums.fourtitude.com/zerothread?id=3689264
Just what I said, you need to set a wire link/bridge.
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What were the issues you were having Robn?
Like you, ive had my AP's for a long time, but havent noticed any 'issues'?
Just been mooching through the Ross-Tech Wiki, :nerd: and noticed that the Teves Mk60 ESP/ABS requires specific adaptation settings, based on what size front brakes are fitted - http://wiki.ross-tech.com/index.php/VW_Golf_%281K%29_Brake_Electronics_%28MK60%29. :wink:
So for those who have upgraded their front brakes, either with the OEM S3/R32/Cupra 345mm ones, or aftermarket big brakes such as AP/Alcon/Tarox - then you should really get your settings changed. If you have gone down the OEM route, then maybe your official stealer may do it, but for any aftermarket kits, you will need to find someone with VAG-COM/VCDS.
RedRobin: could this be a cause of your ESP issues?
....Thanks for this, T_T :smiley:
However, I have run with my AP brake kit for well over 20k miles without any ESP issue and it wasn't until mixing F1 Assymetrics with F1 Directionals that the snatching issue occurred.
My ESP issue has now been resolved since VWR cleaned my Wheel Speed Sensors (their good idea) and installed my ATB diff.
Furthermore, all 4 Goodyear Assymetrics have now done a high enough mileage to settle in.
It's now working well and 'if it works, don't mend it' is something I learnt from my bike racing days (when I used to be fit and had bulging thigh muscles!).
Cheers :afro:
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It's gone all quiet . . . :rolleyes:
Funny that.
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Explain it Nosher, dont just copy and past stuff you have googled
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Look what Sebastian at Ross-Tech has to say (the VAG-COM people)...
http://forums.fourtitude.com/zerothread?id=3689264
Just what I said, you need to set a wire link/bridge.
Thanks for that, but up in reply #13, you clearly stated a "hardware link" - which was a major confusion (well it was to me!). However, if you had made it a little more clear that it was a "wiring" issue, then we might have understood (wiring is generally never referred to as "hardware").
And this issue of the re-wire isn't actually affect by all users. I would stick my kneck out and say it was a yank-only problem anyway, as they don't get the R32 (and won't have PRs 1LK or 1LM), and so would be fitted with the older firmware units. For the UK and EU, then no doubt from when the Mk5 R32 was released, then the firmware would be standardised across the whole Mk5 range - else why do they quote the data for the weedy poverty spec brakes too? I could still be wrong though? :undecided:
So where are these bridge pins actually located then?
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What were the issues you were having Robn?
Like you, ive had my AP's for a long time, but havent noticed any 'issues'?
Red was having "snatching" issues, with unexpected ESP operation. I think it was actually because of his Goodyear tyres, but being as he's upgraded his anchors too, I just thought I'd pose the question as another idea to explore. :smiley:
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The yanks do get the R, although in 3 door DSG only, and no option for BMP or recaros.
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And they only got 4000 of them :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
and no option for BMP
**Edit** Toph is correct. The colour I was referring to was DBP I think... Its a deep blue pearl.
Mike
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nooooo, black metallic pearl.. you're thinking DBP. They do get candy white though. They all hate me on vortex with my 5 door, manual, black car :grin:
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It must give you so much pleasure taunting them. The .:R owners on Vortex are not the nicest I have ever seen :shocked:
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The yanks do get the R, although in 3 door DSG only, and no option for BMP or recaros.
Oh, OK. So they just get them in *.jpg format then? :tongue: :grin: (WTF is "BMP"? :huh:)
That sort of fcuks my last post then! :embarassed:
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^^^
Love it. :grin:
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What were the issues you were having Robn?
Like you, ive had my AP's for a long time, but havent noticed any 'issues'?
Red was having "snatching" issues, with unexpected ESP operation. I think it was actually because of his Goodyear tyres, but being as he's upgraded his anchors too, I just thought I'd pose the question as another idea to explore. :smiley:
....Dan - No issues with my AP brakes at all - Just a tyre mix of Directionals with Assymetrics.
:afro:
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so what do i need to do to tell the ed its running bigger r32 brakes.
In wee simple terms for me :laugh:
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so what do i need to do to tell the ed its running bigger r32 brakes.
In wee simple terms for me :laugh:
Follow the link from the original post in this thread! :tongue:
Basically, hook up vag-com, and recode your brake electronics so that it understands you have the larger front anchors. Then it can appropriately apportion the correct amount of bias - not just for normal braking, but also for ABS, EBD and ESP activation.
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fantastic what will they think of next.Its a clever wee thing.
Another top post there T/T
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fantastic what will they think of next.Its a clever wee thing.
Just think of it as a remap for your brakes! :tongue:
Another top post there T/T
Thanks, nice to be appreciated. I try my best. :smiley:
Sadly, it still seems that my best isn't good enough for some though! :rolleyes: (and I don't mean you :wink: :smiley:)
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Well I received an answer from Awesome today on my TAROX upgrade. Excellent and quick customer service. They even got in touch with TAROX for their official view on the subject. This was TAROX's reply:-
"Our view on the situation is this.
Tarox brake systems are designed and built around a standard road going car (in the case of the Golf Gti V our own car that we are still at the moment) normally with standard wheels, we test the car at our factory with a range of different caliper sizes, piston sizes and disc sizes until we have reached the best braking performance while maintaining the limitations of the cars standard safety equipment, this in turn offers users great improvement in overall braking performance and durability without upsetting the original specifications of the manufactures safety systems. To re-calibrate the o.e systems to get a brake kit to work does not make sense as it is very complicated process to get right, although this is sometimes the only option when a big brake kit has been originally built with racing in mind. In racing the requirements are very different and cars safety systems have normally been disabled and the kit designed around pedal boxes with no brake servo so when one of these systems is used on a standard road car it can seriously effect the cars safety systems as they were not taken into consideration when the kit was made.
Hope this clears up where Tarox stands on this matter
Kind Regards"
T_T to dissect the answer shortly :wink:
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i think they're saying "oh.. we never thought of that" :grin:
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All that cash spent on testing and nobody thought joe public might actually stick it on a road going car? fair do's that there are hundreds of cars on the road these days and they cant test them on every car but surely they must have to advise customers before they buy them. How serious is serious?
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What Tarox are saying is , these have been tested to fast road specifications on cars that are designed for the road
These do not need any work on the electronics side as they do not interfere with the safety systems on the road going cars
Sarah
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What Tarox are saying is , these have been tested to fast road specifications on cars that are designed for the road
These do not need any work on the electronics side as they do not interfere with the safety systems on the road going cars
Sarah
....That's how I read it too :afro:
I'm going to ask AP Racing the same question.