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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Turkish on 29 September 2008, 11:47
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Hi All
Newbie here, been reading this forum for a few months. Some really great info around.
What I am trying to find out is the actual wheel power figures for mapped Edition 30's. I cant seem to find much info on it, only the normal engine power figures. I am really after seeing what the losses are between the DSG and Manual cars.
Cheers in advance for any reply's.
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Welcome to the site Turkish.
Expect lots of answers then wait for MR TT to come in with his machine gun. :grin:
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Awesome GTI did their readouts with clutch power and wheel power.
On their RR I got 315.24bhp and 293.07whp.
Divide one by the other and you'll get a ratio used for the calc they use to go from whp to bhp
whp to bhp = 1.075
bhp to whp = 0.929
Obviously these are rough calculations based on how Awesome GTI reached their results, but they should be a good indicator for the Edition 30.
Now mine is 333bhp = 309whp. :cool:
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Wow.. 309 whp from 333 bhp, that is very minimal losses, very impressive. Yours is a DSG equipped car, am I right ?
With 300 odd bhp and 300 odd lbft can Manual and DSG boxes/clutchs cope with the power without causing clutch slip/gearbox issues. Is there a limit to them both ?
I've been watching a few odd youtube clips and have seen 60 to 100 mph times of 5.5 - 6.0, does this sound right to you.
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Wow.. 309 whp from 333 bhp, that is very minimal losses, very impressive. Yours is a DSG equipped car, am I right ?
With 300 odd bhp and 300 odd lbft can Manual and DSG boxes/clutchs cope with the power without causing clutch slip/gearbox issues. Is there a limit to them both ?
I've been watching a few odd youtube clips and have seen 60 to 100 mph times of 5.5 - 6.0, does this sound right to you.
Up to me having a DSG service I'd been having some clutch slip issues. So far they haven't re-appeared, but I'm looking into uprated plates and a Quaife just to be sure.
Below is a run I did 32mph to 120mph (on the speedo) in 10 seconds. :cool:
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/hurdy_album/th_privatedrivevids002.jpg) (http://s156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/hurdy_album/?action=view¤t=privatedrivevids002.flv)
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I've been watching a few odd youtube clips and have seen 60 to 100 mph times of 5.5 - 6.0, does this sound right to you.
Think they may of been mine.. :grin:
Mine was recorded @ 301 @ wheels on Awesome's rollers (320bhp 362lb/ft @ Fly). But I think the wheels figure is to high if i'm honest. Either that, or the DSG gearbox has very minimal transmission loses.. :wink:
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Interesting stuff there.
So when manufacturers claim their BHP figures, are they at the wheels or at the flywheel?
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Hurdy that is VERY impressive. Difficult to see exact MPH increments but about 5.5 60-100 which is uber quick. I had looked at the later Audi S3's but I am really not sure I need the Quattro drive train other than from standing starts etc of which I don’t tend to do anyway, but a well mapped 330 bhp S3 is more like 6 seconds 60-100 obviously down to drivetrain and weight and half a second on the road is quite a difference.
I would prefer a DSG box or should I say the other half has been banging on about getting an Auto next so it sort of suits our needs. I just wanted to check that there was no real performance lose between having a DSG box to Manual. I know you probably do lose a little more through transmission looses but the shift speed more than makes up for it.
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Hurdy that is VERY impressive. Difficult to see exact MPH increments but about 5.5 60-100 which is uber quick. I had looked at the later Audi S3's but I am really not sure I need the Quattro drive train other than from standing starts etc of which I don’t tend to do anyway, but a well mapped 330 bhp S3 is more like 6 seconds 60-100 obviously down to drivetrain and weight and half a second on the road is quite a difference.
I would prefer a DSG box or should I say the other half has been banging on about getting an Auto next so it sort of suits our needs. I just wanted to check that there was no real performance lose between having a DSG box to Manual. I know you probably do lose a little more through transmission looses but the shift speed more than makes up for it.
You sound exactly like I was when I was about to order mine mate.. Didn't want to order the wrong box and when getting it have a another one with the oppisite box come whistling past you.. :grin:
When I spoke to Revo, they said that the map on the DSG ED30 has the torque pulled back a little (which had me a bit annoyed :grin:) but when on the rollers, mine kicked out 360lb/ft on 2 seperate occasions, so if that's holdng back, i'd love to see what it would be like if they didn't... :shocked: The reliability issues/rumours seem to of been squashed with a number of seriously high powered cars running safely with no issues on DSG.
Mine has just Revo map and full TBE and Hurdy (the mod nutter) quite a few bits more (Fuel pump, FMIC, Intake, amoungst others :wink:) and both seem to be running mint at min..
Like you say though, even if the DSG did have a very slight disadvantage in transmission losses, it's more than made up through the shifts.. :wink:
What car you got at min mate?
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Hurdy that is VERY impressive. Difficult to see exact MPH increments but about 5.5 60-100 which is uber quick. I had looked at the later Audi S3's but I am really not sure I need the Quattro drive train other than from standing starts etc of which I don’t tend to do anyway, but a well mapped 330 bhp S3 is more like 6 seconds 60-100 obviously down to drivetrain and weight and half a second on the road is quite a difference.
I would prefer a DSG box or should I say the other half has been banging on about getting an Auto next so it sort of suits our needs. I just wanted to check that there was no real performance lose between having a DSG box to Manual. I know you probably do lose a little more through transmission looses but the shift speed more than makes up for it.
With a DSG you shouldn't have any more transmission losses than with a manual. The DSG is different to a standard auto and doesn't use a torque convertor - so doesn't suffer the same losses.
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You sound exactly like I was when I was about to order mine mate.. Didn't want to order the wrong box and when getting it have a another one with the oppisite box come whistling past you.. :grin:
When I spoke to Revo, they said that the map on the DSG ED30 has the torque pulled back a little (which had me a bit annoyed :grin:) but when on the rollers, mine kicked out 360lb/ft on 2 seperate occasions, so if that's holdng back, i'd love to see what it would be like if they didn't... :shocked: The reliability issues/rumours seem to of been squashed with a number of seriously high powered cars running safely with no issues on DSG.
Mine has just Revo map and full TBE and Hurdy (the mod nutter) quite a few bits more (Fuel pump, FMIC, Intake, amoungst others :wink:) and both seem to be running mint at min..
Like you say though, even if the DSG did have a very slight disadvantage in transmission losses, it's more than made up through the shifts.. :wink:
What car you got at min mate?
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Running a Bora TDI 150 at the moment, slightly modded to 247 BHP and 360 LBFT, so quite a bit off a mapped Edition 30's but quick enough for a Tractor. Looking for a change in job/location so if that comes to fruition, I would jump at getting back into a Petrol car early next year. I would buy used, always do and the only cars I really fancy are a 135i / 335i or Golf Edition 30 - The other half would fancy a TTS in Ibis white, but dont think they will depreciate enough to be in my price range.
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Running a Bora TDI 150 at the moment, slightly modded to 247 BHP and 360 LBFT, so quite a bit off a mapped Edition 30's but quick enough for a Tractor. Looking for a change in job/location so if that comes to fruition, I would jump at getting back into a Petrol car early next year. I would buy used, always do and the only cars I really fancy are a 135i / 335i or Golf Edition 30 - The other half would fancy a TTS in Ibis white, but dont think they will depreciate enough to be in my price range.
135i is good for standing starts, but on the run E30 with 300bhp would be a challenger.
Check this table for in-gear times:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/front_website/facts_and_figures.php?id=212085
Of course, tuned 135i (360hp, 510Nm) would be something else! :lipsrsealed:
TTS is über-exensive! They really charge for the image there!
335i is heavy, but it is premium product, lots of class and pizazz. But you'll need to tune it to fight off E30!