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Title: Revo and Milltek
Post by: gazbutmk5gti on 22 September 2008, 21:46
 Had the Revo installed by Prosport the other week, when Carl from Revo rang me to confirm the select switch, you buy them direct, he asked how the car had been set-up. I told him the settings had been set at values that Peter new would work, Carl said it should still have been set-up on the road using Vag-com, checking for timing pull etc. Now Peter at Prosport is a Subaru specialist so I think he is new to the VAG scene. Carl suggested paying a visit to Dave at ADS in Preston who is a bit more switched on to the VAG stuff so I did.

Peter had set the car as follows B6 F9 T5, and the car performed spot-on, really smooth, loads of grunt and pretty quick. 302bhp and 318ft/lbs I think.

So when I took the car to Dave I half expected him to increase the conservative settings, it turns out that there is an issue with 08 S3's, they are getting a mis-fire from cylinder 3 at the higher end of the rev-range that no-body is sure what is causing it. I hadn't experienced it but the logs showed it was there. Dave was out for around an hour trying different settings and settled on B4 T7 F9, the reduced boost settings didn't raise the fault. Dave had seen this issue before on 08 S3's, and when I spoke to Kev at Revo, they were aware of it and at a loss as to what is causing it. 07 cars don't suffer from it and all 8P S3's have the same ECU code, but Revo are working on it. :smiley:. I was expecting a dramatic loss in performance levels, but to be honest I haven't really noticed any and the car feels crisper and more responsive, Dave puts this down to the timing being set as it should. It would be interesting to put in the rollers again and see if there is much difference in the top line figures as the car feels great on the road. Revo are working on the issue and have said they will let us know as soon as they sort it :smiley:
Not sure if these issues affect 08 ED30's/Pirelli's, they think could be as simple as a different batch of knock sensors VAG are using, we'll see :rolleyes:

Meanwhile back at the ranch :smiley:, I got what I think is a bargain off e-bay, think somebody on here mentioned it, got a few month old cat-back Milltek for 249 quid, picked it up tonight and its like new. So I'm gonna pair it up with a new down-pipe and sports cat on Friday and have the settings tweaked to suit. We all know how well these secondhand Millteks peform don't we, hey Ben :evil:


Thanx for reading my ramble
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: bacillus on 22 September 2008, 22:13
What CFs did he see with T7 on VCDS as I would have thought it would be well over the revo suggested  -3 at these tempuratures even using 99 RON fuel.
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: CocoPops on 22 September 2008, 22:14
Not sure if these issues affect 08 ED30's/Pirelli's, they think could be as simple as a different batch of knock sensors VAG are using, we'll see :rolleyes:

My Ed30 threw a Cyl3 Misfire at WOT high revs, so they knocked the boost back a little and it no longer appears.
Does seem to be the same error.
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: gazbutmk5gti on 22 September 2008, 22:22
Not sure if these issues affect 08 ED30's/Pirelli's, they think could be as simple as a different batch of knock sensors VAG are using, we'll see :rolleyes:

My Ed30 threw a Cyl3 Misfire at WOT high revs, so they knocked the boost back a little and it no longer appears.
Does seem to be the same error.

Sounds the same issue, Kev at Revo suggested it has alot to do with how you drive, If you use WOT and rev the car up to redline all the time you will get the fault. I tend to use the stomping mid-range and not rev the car so much so this could be why I hadn't noticed the fault :smiley:
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: gazbutmk5gti on 22 September 2008, 22:24
What CFs did he see with T7 on VCDS as I would have thought it would be well over the revo suggested  -3 at these tempuratures even using 99 RON fuel.

CF's? correction factors?, not sure pal will ask, this side of things is all new to me. Not even had time to load the software for the selectplus switch I've bin so busy. Could you explain :smiley:
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: CocoPops on 22 September 2008, 22:26
Ah, see I came from a Honda S2k where you have to go to the redline :)
So hence my approach is to ensure she's warmed up and then "use the revs" :)
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: bacillus on 22 September 2008, 22:45
When adjusting the settings for best/optimal performance you should log the 020 block using VCDS.

This should tell you if your ecu is pulling back timing and how much. If you are you will see a negative angle delay aka correction factor(CF). Revo suggest you optimally try to keep the value under -3 for all cylinders.

Here is a graphic of such a logging from a guy using APR with problems.

(http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=29458&stc=1&d=1217115625)

For more detailed info you should read the pdf that came with your select plus.
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: gazbutmk5gti on 22 September 2008, 22:49
Cheers for that, will have a read when I get chance.
 Dave tried lots of settings and B4 T7 F9 gave no faults and everything else was in tolerance as far as I know, will have another chat on Friday
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: Hurdy on 22 September 2008, 23:18
Hmm, seems similar to what I was getting with mine. No3 cylinder was getting -4.5 at 1520 revs up to -9 between 1760 and 2720 and then -8.3 up to 5400 and then dropping back to -5.3 up to 6400 revs. Now I'm getting less than -3 throughout all cylinders and the engine purrs like a kitten. :smiley:
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: neg on 23 September 2008, 00:46
Remember back to the Awesome RR day and the logs I did - CF's was what we looked at to make sure they were all running within their limits and no pulling back to much - your and bens were fine.

just always remember changing one value can have an effect on others, outside temperature always play a part - I have recently put my timing back upto 6 from 5 now its a little cooler, will let it settle and do some logs to check all is well

Good practive for anyone with a remapped car to do some logging every so often even if they dont have the option to alter settings.
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: luca on 23 September 2008, 00:55
Corey at quattronics told me that 08 ed30 can have the misfire problem. He put the map on and checked the car over with the laptop when stretching 3+4th gear fully and found no faults.
He said that revo had suggested that gold plated lambda sensors would maybe cure it. Not sure if ive got that right but it was something along those lines. I ran my car at pod yesterday into the redline on 7runs and had no misfire and the car was getting consistent times.
So maybe its not all 08 models. Im sure revo will get to the bottom of it :smiley:
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: gazbutmk5gti on 23 September 2008, 06:16
So what settings you running Luca?
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: candy turbo on 23 September 2008, 06:59
custom code all the way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  my pulls like a train from any revs right through the red line , and it f*$&ing flys !!! i read all problems with other remaps , seem too technical to me!!     custom code just works. :smiley:
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: RedRobin on 23 September 2008, 08:07
custom code all the way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  my pulls like a train from any revs right through the red line , and it f*$&ing flys !!! i read all problems with other remaps , seem too technical to me!!     custom code just works. :smiley:

....Are you really claiming that Custom Code never has issues? :rolleyes:. Most remaps drive well, but what's happening under the bonnet longer term is what's important.

Anyway, I hadn't interpreted this thread as saying that there was a problem with Revo.
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: luca on 23 September 2008, 08:52
Absolutely no problems at all with revo, im more than happy with mine and it pulls extremely well throughout the revs in any gear :smiley:
The problem is with some 08 ed30/s3 and maybe leon cupra experiencing misfires if taken up to the redline often.
I have been up the pod with mine and had no problems whatsoever so maybe its not all 08 cars.
We will find out shortly.

Gaz im running B8 T5 F4. I think thats what its set to. Will double check later, its definately boost 8 just not sure on the timing and fueling.
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: neg on 23 September 2008, 09:03
custom code all the way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  my pulls like a train from any revs right through the red line , and it f*$&ing flys !!! i read all problems with other remaps , seem too technical to me!!     custom code just works. :smiley:

Unless you log you car how do you know all is well ... it might feel to be ok but could be pulling back the timing quite a bit which means its not performing as effecient as it could be.
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: djhorace on 23 September 2008, 09:35
Revo's own 08 Leon Cupra K1 has the same issue.
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: joesgti on 23 September 2008, 09:45
my friend has a K1, smart cars  :cool: :cool:
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: stokeballoon on 23 September 2008, 09:55

Meanwhile back at the ranch :smiley:, I got what I think is a bargain off e-bay, think somebody on here mentioned it, got a few month old cat-back Milltek for 249 quid, picked it up tonight and its like new. So I'm gonna pair it up with a new down-pipe and sports cat on Friday and have the settings tweaked to suit. We all know how well these secondhand Millteks peform don't we, hey Ben :evil:


Thanx for reading my ramble


So you bought it then, great - Happy to help.  I was looking to fit it to my ED30, but it is not the same as I found out.
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: gazbutmk5gti on 23 September 2008, 13:42
Yes bought it and ordered the down pipe and sports cat today to be fitted Friday :smiley:
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: vRStu on 23 September 2008, 15:02
One of the guys on Briskoda had a KO4 conversion on his Octy which left them with the misfire.  One day he says it just went away and since then everything has been ok - Really odd!!
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: Vtec Abuser on 23 September 2008, 19:22
Absolutely no problems at all with revo, im more than happy with mine and it pulls extremely well throughout the revs in any gear :smiley:
The problem is with some 08 ed30/s3 and maybe leon cupra experiencing misfires if taken up to the redline often.
I have been up the pod with mine and had no problems whatsoever so maybe its not all 08 cars.
We will find out shortly.

Gaz im running B8 T5 F4. I think thats what its set to. Will double check later, its definately boost 8 just not sure on the timing and fueling.
Luca if you had the same settings as what my Stage 1 was (seem to remember you saying you did) you will have B8 T5 F9 mate..

I'm still playing with my Select + on the Stage 2 to decide what is best. Then it's going back to Quattronics to get logged to make sure all is bang on..  :wink:
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: Vtec Abuser on 23 September 2008, 19:23
  We all know how well these secondhand Millteks peform don't we, hey Ben :evil:
Ooooooh yes..  :wink:
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: candy turbo on 23 September 2008, 20:46
custom code all the way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  my pulls like a train from any revs right through the red line , and it f*$&ing flys !!! i read all problems with other remaps , seem too technical to me!!     custom code just works. :smiley:

....Are you really claiming that Custom Code never has issues? :rolleyes:. Most remaps drive well, but what's happening under the bonnet longer term is what's important.

Anyway, I hadn't interpreted this thread as saying that there was a problem with Revo.
not saying there may be problems just that we re all not as technical minded as some others !
 i had a mk 1 octavia vrs with cc for 3 years, no problems , really fast had a mk2 octavia vrs for 1 year with cc no problems brilliant driving car edition 30 now for nearly a year with cc , outstanding performance , smooth power !!
 and all these 3 together cost not much more than some guys are paying for 1 remap with no better results !
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: Vtec Abuser on 23 September 2008, 20:52
Why what results have you got mate?  :huh:
I thought Custom Code was around £500 for Edition 30?
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: candy turbo on 23 September 2008, 20:59
it does !but they ve had a 30% off for ages , i got 40% off cause i had milltek at same time !
  not got any figures, bhp , torque ,  1/4 mile or any thing all i know is its an outstanding drive , and lee at jbs fell in love !!! :wink:
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: RedRobin on 23 September 2008, 22:16
and all these 3 together cost not much more than some guys are paying for 1 remap with no better results !

....You post this^^ and then in your next post you write:

but they ve had a 30% off for ages , i got 40% off cause i had milltek at same time !

....Not exactly a like-for-like comparison is it. But even if the maths do work out that CC is cheaper.................... :undecided:

Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: djhorace on 23 September 2008, 22:27
Absolutely no problems at all with revo, im more than happy with mine and it pulls extremely well throughout the revs in any gear :smiley:
The problem is with some 08 ed30/s3 and maybe leon cupra experiencing misfires if taken up to the redline often.
I have been up the pod with mine and had no problems whatsoever so maybe its not all 08 cars.
We will find out shortly.

Gaz im running B8 T5 F4. I think thats what its set to. Will double check later, its definately boost 8 just not sure on the timing and fueling.
Luca if you had the same settings as what my Stage 1 was (seem to remember you saying you did) you will have B8 T5 F9 mate..

I'm still playing with my Select + on the Stage 2 to decide what is best. Then it's going back to Quattronics to get logged to make sure all is bang on..  :wink:

Your settings seem strange to me Ben. Timing could be safely advanced on yours to 6 especially if you use decent fuel, but boost 8 seems somewhat high given that you use a standard fuel pump. Have you logged the car since you got stage 2 to see what the differential between actual and requested fuel pressure is?
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: Vtec Abuser on 23 September 2008, 23:13
Was all logged on VAGCOM when done. Got three different settings i'm trying at the min..
A. B8 T5 F9 B. B8 T6 F9 C. B7 T5 F9. It's going back on VAGCOM sson to see which it runs best on. Seem to be getting a bit of a flatspot at 5500rpm at the min when on T6 for some reason, but when on VAGCOM the CF was fine...  :huh: Any ideas?
Don't forget every car is different and one set of settings on one car, may not run well on another.. (Revo's words, not mine)..
What you running at min?
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: gazbutmk5gti on 26 September 2008, 20:21
Had to leave my car at ADC overnight, Milltek had left a clamp out of the fitting kit :angry:. Dave wanted to work late to sort out a temporary clamp but it was 7.00pm and the Revo needed adjusting still to. So I suggested he gave me a car and could carry on tomorrow and do it properly
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: E30M3 on 27 September 2008, 08:45
Awesome car Gaz :)

Better to let them do the job properly rather than rush it !!

what power you expected to run ? Ben what you running now ?
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: gazbutmk5gti on 27 September 2008, 09:35
Not sure power wise pal, they've had to turn the settings down because of this 08 car issue I mentioned earlier, its very frustrating as there's so much more to be had if things were right
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: luca on 27 September 2008, 10:19
I had the milltek non res catback fitted yesterday, sounds really good. Cant wait to get the downpipe sorted now :evil:
Gaz did you notice yours misfiring on the higher boost settings?
I havent noticed any problems with mine and im running boost 8. Maybe its there and im not noticing it?
I'll find out at the prosport rr day hopefully :smiley:
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: gazbutmk5gti on 27 September 2008, 10:24
I didn't notice it at all luca, is wasn't till we vag-commed it it showed up :sad:, we'll see what settings we can use with the downpipe and exhaust :laugh:
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: bacillus on 27 September 2008, 10:50
I didn't notice it at all luca, is wasn't till we vag-commed it it showed up :sad:, we'll see what settings we can use with the downpipe and exhaust :laugh:
I some how doubt that just getting the tbe is going to allow you to increase your present boost level without running into the same misfire problem.
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: luca on 27 September 2008, 11:04
Need mine logging then, when you next at prosport? I could do with having mine checked out :smiley:
Has vtechs had the misfire problem as his is an 08.
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: luca on 27 September 2008, 11:52
Been reading the audi forum and they are getting the same problem, some are changing plugs and coil pack and still not sorting the problem. When did you log the misfire gaz. Corey checked mine with vag com after doing some runs in 3rd and 4th to the redline and found no faults but maybe i could occur it later?
Starting to get paranoid now lol.
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: Vtec Abuser on 27 September 2008, 12:41
Had mine on VAGCOM again the other day Luca, to try and find out what this flatspot around 5500rpm is..
All vagcom readings were fine and Corey seems to think it's turbo lag as it seems to be straight after the up change (only really noticable in higher gears). When running tests through each gear it never does it, only when upshifting when giving it hard beans..
It's due it's first service in 2 weeks, so hopefully they may sort it then. Maybe a dodgy DV or something, unless anyone else knows what it is?  :huh:
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: luca on 27 September 2008, 13:28
Not getting any flatspots in mine, just worried about this misfire problem :cry:. There doesnt seem to be any noticable dip in power when running through the gears so it feels spot on but its very difficult to know exactly whats going on without the vag com plugged in.
I may go for the forge dv valve to be safe. Ben are you interested in one as we could get a group buy going, gaz may want one so that would be 3 people already :wink:.
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: Vtec Abuser on 27 September 2008, 14:15
Depends how much mate, but yeah i'm interested..  :wink:
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: luca on 27 September 2008, 14:37
I think they are around £150, hurdy and quite a few others have them.
Just bought some leon cupra brakes on ebay.
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: Vtec Abuser on 27 September 2008, 15:40
Just noticed that mate.. You spending some serious beer vouchers at min..  :grin:
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: luca on 27 September 2008, 15:56
Tell me about it :laugh:. Needs the brakes imo, will get some ferodo pads for them too. After that, i can concentrate on a touch more power and some coilovers :cool:
Then im not doing anything else to it :grin:
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: T88OMM on 27 September 2008, 15:57
Tell me about it :laugh:. Needs the brakes imo, will get some ferodo pads for them too. After that, i can concentrate on a touch more power and some coilovers :cool:
Then im not doing anything else to it :grin:

That's what we all say mate, but there is no end in the modding world!!  :smiley:
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: luca on 27 September 2008, 16:07
Im going to try my best not to mod it after that, doubt i will though :laugh:
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: gazbutmk5gti on 27 September 2008, 18:01
I didn't notice it at all luca, is wasn't till we vag-commed it it showed up :sad:, we'll see what settings we can use with the downpipe and exhaust :laugh:
I some how doubt that just getting the tbe is going to allow you to increase your present boost level without running into the same misfire problem.

Well thats exactly whats happened, running B7 now with no problems at all :smiley:
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: RedRobin on 27 September 2008, 18:02
Im going to try my best not to mod it after that, doubt i will though :laugh:

....Famous last words - May we quote you again later? :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/JesusSaysModify.jpg)
Title: Re: Revo and Milltek
Post by: Saint Steve on 27 September 2008, 18:32
yes look what happened to hurdy!, he put sound deadning(dynamat) in his car so he could stop hearing the noise from outside!, and now look what he's

done!!  :laugh:  :laugh:.