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Title: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: Peskarik on 21 September 2008, 10:42
I seldom have any rattle from the front vent.
On the other hand I have terrible rattle from back seat.  :sick: I cannot place it 100%, but it seems to come from the right side. I've been back there looking around many a times, found nothing loose, but still every time I drive over not so smooth pavement I have that rattle.
The seat is fully locked in upright position.
The back shelf sits secure in its housings. I tried to shake the shelf by hand, but the sound it makes does not resemble the rattle.
The sit belt clamps do not touch any plastic bits.

I don't know what could make that rattle, but it sounds like loose plastic bits making a shake'n'screech.

That rattle destroys the whole joy of driving for me. I drove 8 year old MB 500CL, and BMW M5 - no rattles whatsoever, just a feel of high build quality and robustness. In the GTI it feels like it's made of thin plastic bits ready to give way....  :sick:

Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: 182_blue on 21 September 2008, 11:13
It may not be coming from where it sounds like it is, I would sit someone in there and see if they can locate it while you drive , have you looked underneath the car under the plastic trim, stuff can get stuck under there ? Also your brake lines that are under there can rub and rattle
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: Hurdy on 21 September 2008, 13:37
anti-roll bar mounts may need a bit of lube?

Seats maybe locked in upright position and still make a noise - try a bit of electric tape temporarily over the bar for the locking mechanism. :nerd:
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: Peskarik on 21 September 2008, 14:27
THanks guys!
Will try your suggestions.
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: L555BAT on 21 September 2008, 17:51
Good luck finding it.  I have had the same rattle for the past 2 years, still can't find it.  I think it's in the tailgate.  It aint the seats, or shelf.  Also it's the reason I very rarely use the car.
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: Top Cat on 21 September 2008, 17:55
Good luck finding it.  I have had the same rattle for the past 2 years, still can't find it.  I think it's in the tailgate.  It aint the seats, or shelf.  Also it's the reason I very rarely use the car.

that must be one hell of a rattle you have are you sure you have 2 back tyres on.  :laugh:
It cant be that bad that it stops you using the car.  :shocked:
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: dan_apps on 21 September 2008, 18:27
mine did for a while, nothing a good cricket bat cant sort out!



(joke, it was the rear seats with me do what hurdy suggests as that was what i did and seems to have stopped now)
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: Peskarik on 21 September 2008, 19:40
Good luck finding it.  I have had the same rattle for the past 2 years, still can't find it.  I think it's in the tailgate.  It aint the seats, or shelf.  Also it's the reason I very rarely use the car.

I know what you mean... :sad:

It is most definitely not the undercarrige, it is coming from inside somewhere...

The build quality of the car is not so good:
1) these rattles
2) the fact that VW did not bother put leather on the parts of the seats that closest to the central tunnel, but left the gray cloth there instead.
3) the black material that covers the floors is cut very strangely, I have a rectangular pieces that are totally loose and fall off (my English is not good enough to clearly describe what I mean. I'll take the picture and put it here).

It is a nice car, but the abovementioned just makes it feel cheap for me (and financially, it was not).  :sad:
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: Peskarik on 21 September 2008, 19:44
that must be one hell of a rattle you have are you sure you have 2 back tyres on.  :laugh:
It cant be that bad that it stops you using the car.  :shocked:

I do not go so far, but I am very sensitive to these kind of things (my girlfriend, for example, is not), and everytime I drive these rattles are always there and they constantly make me sad.  :sad: So you may laugh and brush it off like something minor and unimportant, but for me it is the reminder of mediocre build quality  :sad:
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: R32UK on 21 September 2008, 20:08
Have you checked the girlfriends earing??? :smiley:
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: gazbutmk5gti on 21 September 2008, 20:09
I'm with you pesk, I hate rattles, my ED30 did the same thing, I tried the tape round the hoops for the rear seat, it didn't fix it, never found it before I crashed it :smiley:
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: BodyThief on 21 September 2008, 20:13
The rattle I thought was coming from the rear seats was actually the rear tailgate light. The brackets that hold it in place were broken and it's now held in place temporarily with sticky pads  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: L555BAT on 21 September 2008, 22:32
The rattle I thought was coming from the rear seats was actually the rear tailgate light. The brackets that hold it in place were broken and it's now held in place temporarily with sticky pads  :rolleyes:
What light are you referring to mate?
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: 2007GTI on 23 September 2008, 14:40
I have 2 rattles on my car.  one that has been there since day 1, which is the passenger seat mechanism, which only rattles when empty, can be cured if you fiddle with it enough.

second rattle is exactly the same as you describe, it sounds like the rear seat is loose and banging on something, very annoying!
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: Peskarik on 23 September 2008, 14:47
I have 2 rattles on my car.  one that has been there since day 1, which is the passenger seat mechanism, which only rattles when empty, can be cured if you fiddle with it enough.

second rattle is exactly the same as you describe, it sounds like the rear seat is loose and banging on something, very annoying!

have you tried to locate it?

Definitely some plastic rattling (no break lines) in back seat.
TOday passenger door started to rattle, I thought just my luck, but then it turned out to be a bottle of insect-remover fluid in the door pocket.  :lipsrsealed:

But the rattle in the back, that is real. Real pain.
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: 2007GTI on 23 September 2008, 14:59
no I havent tried yet, but have tried clipping and unclipping the back seat, no luck.
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: BodyThief on 23 September 2008, 22:03
The rattle I thought was coming from the rear seats was actually the rear tailgate light. The brackets that hold it in place were broken and it's now held in place temporarily with sticky pads  :rolleyes:
What light are you referring to mate?

Its the high level brake light in the spoiler.
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: fantazia92 on 24 September 2008, 21:08
Have you sorted this yet? I think in another post you had an idea and were going to test it. I have the same annoying rattle and everything I have read comes back to the rear seat lock but I haven't had time to tape mine up yet.

There's a rattle abatement thread on vwvortex http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2374154 (http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2374154) which might help (just over half way down under Interior DIY
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: Peskarik on 24 September 2008, 21:26
Have you sorted this yet? I think in another post you had an idea and were going to test it. I have the same annoying rattle and everything I have read comes back to the rear seat lock but I haven't had time to tape mine up yet.

There's a rattle abatement thread on vwvortex http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2374154 (http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2374154) which might help (just over half way down under Interior DIY

I have to drive over some rough roads first, and see if the rattles come back. I do it maybe tomorrow morning. It has nothing to do with the lock though. If it works, then it has everything to do with dust caps.  :wink:
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: mrlapou on 25 September 2008, 10:07
Mines (leather interior) was located to be the rear centre arm rest mech. Cured using silicone spray.

After that another rattle came from the plastic surround of the rear tail gate. Cured by strategic placement of rubber pads between the trim and painted portion of the tail gate.
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: Peskarik on 27 September 2008, 11:08
Mines (leather interior) was located to be the rear centre arm rest mech. Cured using silicone spray.

After that another rattle came from the plastic surround of the rear tail gate. Cured by strategic placement of rubber pads between the trim and painted portion of the tail gate.

Thanks! I have to look into that.
I did not find the solution to rattles yet.
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: indublin on 27 September 2008, 11:33
Good luck finding it.  I have had the same rattle for the past 2 years, still can't find it.  I think it's in the tailgate.  It aint the seats, or shelf.  Also it's the reason I very rarely use the car.

I know what you mean... :sad:

It is most definitely not the undercarrige, it is coming from inside somewhere...

The build quality of the car is not so good:
1) these rattles
2) the fact that VW did not bother put leather on the parts of the seats that closest to the central tunnel, but left the gray cloth there instead.
3) the black material that covers the floors is cut very strangely, I have a rectangular pieces that are totally loose and fall off (my English is not good enough to clearly describe what I mean. I'll take the picture and put it here).

It is a nice car, but the abovementioned just makes it feel cheap for me (and financially, it was not).  :sad:

I have not got to the end of this post so excuse me if this has been mentioned later on. Have you checked the little balls on the parcel shelf cord? These can, when hanging down, bump of the car body.
I have an annoying rattle from the back, I have tried everything.... I even took out the parcel shelf and lowered the seats down, but had no luck. I just turn up the stereo now.....
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: Grab on 27 September 2008, 18:15
Right then, I think I might have found the answer.

I have been able to recreate the rattle that I get by pushing the rear seats forward and then wiggling the trim that is imediately under the rear seat loop (this is linked to the trim under the drivers side rear passanger window). I then undid the torq screw next to the seat belt loop and could look behind the trim enough to see that a pretruding piece of plastic attached to the trim that is banging on the metal work. Unfortunately I couldn't work out how to remove the piece of trim and wasn't brave/ stupid enough to experiment with ways of taking it off.

If anyone knows how to remove the trim, let me know and I will see if I can cure the elusive rattle!!

o yeah - I have got a 08 3 door with leather interior if that helps.
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: Saint Steve on 27 September 2008, 18:28
Does anyone know how the rear base bench seat is removeable or can it be tilted so the rear seats fold flat??
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: Peskarik on 27 September 2008, 18:41
I now put household scotch around the white hinges to which the rear sits lock. I have also opened the armrest in the middle of the seat. I have then driven over rough road and I think the rattling has diminished considerably. Maybe the armrest was making the rattles. Anyway, the plastic cover behind it is very screechy.

Earlier I had my girlfriend sit in the back listening to rattles, but she did not hear many and could not place the ones she heard  :rolleyes: Girls... I think she was not concentrating.  :lipsrsealed:
Will drive around and see whether I have fewer rattles now.
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: jreed110 on 27 September 2008, 20:18
I have a very similar rattle coming from the rear passenger side. I think I've located it to the area the seat belt lives in and comes out of. I've managed to correct this by messing around with the seat belt then leaving it plugged in but it soon comes back. Got my car booked in to look at this as I can't find an easy way of opening the compartment up.
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: Peskarik on 27 September 2008, 22:22
I have a very similar rattle coming from the rear passenger side. I think I've located it to the area the seat belt lives in and comes out of. I've managed to correct this by messing around with the seat belt then leaving it plugged in but it soon comes back. Got my car booked in to look at this as I can't find an easy way of opening the compartment up.

I played with belts too, but they were not the cause.
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: Quagmire on 19 May 2009, 22:51
Has anyone solved this problem yet?

I have the same metallic tapping sound in the rear, close to the seat belt (I think).
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: MarkS on 19 May 2009, 22:55
Not read the rest of the thread but...

Could be the seatbelt clip banging on the side of the car?

:)
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: Quagmire on 19 May 2009, 22:57
No that's not it.

This sounds like banging two metallic ball bearing balls on a string together.
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: Cass on 19 May 2009, 23:15
Pesk,

Check out this site/thread - might be you problem too:

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zeropost?cmd=tshow&id=2898392

Cass
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: ub7rm on 20 May 2009, 18:13
No that's not it.

This sounds like banging two metallic ball bearing balls on a string together.

I havent looked if this in Cass's thread but its most likely the rubber balls that support the rear parcel shelf swinging about and hitting the boot lid trim.  Why they didn't use the retractable string thing like in the mk4 I don't know.... :undecided:

One fix would be to tape them to the bottom of the parcel shelf.
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: Peskarik on 21 May 2009, 12:28
Right.
First of all, thanks for all suggestions, guys!

I visit this forum sporadically nowadays, maybe once a month at best. Great to see my post still active.

As for rattles, no solution found (though I will now follow up on all your latest suggestions). I have rattles from the front (less now when it is warm, the plastic has expanded, I guess), from passenger door, from driver's door (from time to time). TERRIBLE rattle from the back. During service at VW I asked them to handle this issue, they checked and said it was tailgate (or something back there, I don' remember) and they tried to fix it. It did not work.

I've been in a Skoda Octavia with 140000km on it and which is driven much more aggressively than my E30. I've been in a rental Polo. They were both dead silent inside.
I'm swamped with other things in my life, so I care much less about rattles now, and I listen to music in the car, so that kills the ugly sounds as well. But still, the feeling of badly screwed together interior is there...
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: Quagmire on 23 May 2009, 23:44
Hi guys

Anyone tried this?

I found this:

http://myfastgti.com/volkswagen/showthread.php/clicking-noise-passenger-right-rear-near-6264p2.html?highlight=rattle (http://myfastgti.com/volkswagen/showthread.php/clicking-noise-passenger-right-rear-near-6264p2.html?highlight=rattle)

Re: Clicking Noise in passenger right rear near gas tank
sup robb, ok i had a similar click in my '08. its probably the button system to let the back seat down, its a common problem apparently. first let the back seats downand drive around and see if makes the sound, if not it is the seat clasp. to fix it let the seat down then take a hammer and carefully tap the metal ring that the seat latches to in order to bend it down so that it adds pressure on the seat clasp and keeps it from rattling. worked for me, hope this can help.
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: pitch3110 on 24 May 2009, 07:46
I have this very same rattle on wifeys ED30. When son is in the back its never there. Passenger seatbelt holder would rattle when belt was plugged in badly. Stealer replaced under warrenty and prob solved.
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: andyc231075 on 01 June 2009, 23:53
Hi mate, i have the same problem just as you have discribed it. Its driving me mad, ive looked all over to see where its coming from!
Title: Re: Rattle from back set, anyone experienced the same?
Post by: jreed110 on 04 June 2009, 09:57
I have this same rattle. I managed to discover it came from inside where the seatbelt retracts to. About a year ago I had it looked at by VW who said they tightened something up there and the rattle dissappeared. Unfortunately it came back a week later and has not gone away since. On my last service I asked them to sort it again but they clearly couldn't be arsed and said they couldn't hear it, which would not be possible. Anyone know how you can get to this area without breaking my car??