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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: LeeH on 05 September 2008, 14:57

Title: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: LeeH on 05 September 2008, 14:57
Hi everyone.
I recently sold my Civic Type R and am looking at buying a GTI which my girlfriend will mostly be driving but she only holds a full UK auto licence. Can the DSG Golf GTI be driven with an auto licence? I phoned the DVLA and they don't even know!
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: DJGTi on 05 September 2008, 15:07
I pretty sure she could drive it. If it has no clutch pedal and has a 'D' position, then it's classed as an auto.
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: Top Cat on 05 September 2008, 15:09
Hi everyone.
I recently sold my Civic Type R and am looking at buying a GTI which my girlfriend will mostly be driving but she only holds a full UK auto licence. Can the DSG Golf GTI be driven with an auto licence? I phoned the DVLA and they don't even know!
Now that's interesting
MY guess is they wont allow her to use it. because she is able to physically  put it in manual, and you cant in a auto obviously.
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: clive on 05 September 2008, 15:10
I was also curious about this when insuring my DSG.  It came up on the insurers system as an auto so I would have though your g/f will be covered with her auto license.
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: Top Cat on 05 September 2008, 15:13
I was also curious about this when insuring my DSG.  It came up on the insurers system as an auto so I would have though your g/f will be covered with her auto license.
Good shout Clive i remember when getting quotes, insurance companies could not find DSG on the system but found it under auto.  :wink:
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: SteveP on 05 September 2008, 15:15
Also on the V5C/log book I am sure it says Auto as well.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: LeeH on 05 September 2008, 15:16
Thanks for the replies, it is a tricky one! How would I find out for sure? I don't want to buy one then find out she can't drive it.
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: SO8 on 05 September 2008, 15:18
2 pedals = auto.

3 pedals = manual

It matters not how the engine does it .....
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: Top Cat on 05 September 2008, 15:19
D V L A  :smiley: Sorry just read your original post.  :embarassed:
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: LeeH on 05 September 2008, 15:21
D V L A  :smiley:

Tried twice mate, two different people, neither had a clue :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: RedRobin on 05 September 2008, 15:23
....The Mk5 Golf DSG is defined as "Automatic" - Pure and simple. It's also how the insurance companies define it.

We know it's rather more than just that, but let's not confuse their poor ignorant bureaucratic brains!
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: Top Cat on 05 September 2008, 15:27
As you say you cant just risk it you could try the police they might know the actual law.
Surely the Divvey L a should have it in writing what actually constitutes auto/manual they must all be X VW dealer's  :drool:
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: RedRobin on 05 September 2008, 15:47
As you say you cant just risk it you could try the police they might know the actual law.
Surely the Divvey L a should have it in writing what actually constitutes auto/manual they must all be X VW dealer's  :drool:

....The Police won't know - Who in the Police Service are you going to ask? They'll tell you to go and check your DVLA Registration Certificate.

I'll spell it out again - Those of you who have a DSG, get out your DVLA Registration Certificate....Section 4.D.2 Model/Type....What does it say?....









AUTO


Which is an abbreviation for Automatic.

:rolleyes:
 
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: LeeH on 05 September 2008, 15:51
Thanks RedRobin. I just phoned VW UK Customer Service and the bloke said he was 'pretty sure' it was classed as an auto and we'd be ok.
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: Hurdy on 05 September 2008, 16:31
Good question :smiley:

For the purposes of a person who drives on an automatic car UK licence a DSG will be okay. The automatic driving test discludes clutch hill holds (achieving bite point) and clutch use for the purpose of changing gears. Remember in a manual and an Auto you still have to change the stick position and so the fact that you can change gears manually doesn't matter - otherwise most auto's would fall into this category as in most standard autos you can select to hold the car in second and third, in CVT's some cars have a + and - selector. Audi's multitronic boxes also have this function too. :smiley:
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 05 September 2008, 19:37
Yup, agreed with all the others - with specific regard to the driving licence issue, the DSG is most definately classed as an Auto.

And in simple laymans terms - the best autobox in the world.  Period.  :tongue:
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: gazbutmk5gti on 05 September 2008, 20:26
I agree auto, just like all the others, vauxhall easytronic, think merc do one too, deffo auto
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: RedRobin on 05 September 2008, 20:30
Yup, agreed with all the others - with specific regard to the driving licence issue, the DSG is most definately classed as an Auto.

And in simple laymans terms - the best autobox in the world.  Period.  :tongue:

....And also known (I think!) as S-tronic in the world of Audi.
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: RedRobin on 05 September 2008, 20:32
I agree auto, just like all the others, vauxhall easytronic, think merc do one too, deffo auto

....Yuk! Do Vauxhall really call it "easytronic"!? - What a horrible term! :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: gazbutmk5gti on 05 September 2008, 20:38
yes my sister has a corsa with it, its not the best, but she likes it :smiley:
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: RedRobin on 05 September 2008, 20:43
....Gaz - Has your S3 got DSG aka S-tronic?

I fancy one of these if it had S-tronic : -

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j110/ultimatetaba8/5coils6copy.jpg)
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: gazbutmk5gti on 05 September 2008, 20:45
No mines manual pal, DSG only available in sportback at the minute, but that would suit you better would it not
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: RedRobin on 05 September 2008, 20:52
No mines manual pal, DSG only available in sportback at the minute, but that would suit you better would it not

....Yes - Just like that red Sportback pic I posted. I love the way that's been modded. :afro:
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: gazbutmk5gti on 05 September 2008, 21:45
you could get an S3 sportback dsg and do that to it RR
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: Hurdy on 05 September 2008, 21:50
you could get an S3 sportback dsg and do that to it RR

Are you trying to get new recruits for audi-sport.net :wink:
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: Saint Steve on 05 September 2008, 21:52
Oh "sensodrive" in the Wonderful Citroen C2 vtr i once owned. You could scratch your a$$ cheeks whilst driving and still would be thinking about changing up a gear!.
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: gazbutmk5gti on 05 September 2008, 21:54
no not recruiting sorry pal, none of the other systems match up to DSG
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: RedRobin on 05 September 2008, 22:01
no not recruiting sorry pal, none of the other systems match up to DSG

....Isn't Audi's S-tronic identical to DSG?
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: JonnyG on 06 September 2008, 00:14
No mines manual pal, DSG only available in sportback at the minute

I thought S-Tronic was'nt available till January on all S3's (3 or 5dr)  ? :undecided:

There's some good Contract Hire deals on the new Sportback S3 at the moment - might be interested myself if S-tronic was available now  :smiley:
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: neg on 06 September 2008, 18:38
S-Tronic is just another name for DSG
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: RedRobin on 06 September 2008, 19:53
....Evo magazine review described the latest S3 as unexciting.
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 07 September 2008, 11:04
I agree auto, just like all the others, vauxhall easytronic, think merc do one too, deffo auto

....Yuk! Do Vauxhall really call it "easytronic"!? - What a horrible term! :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:

The Vauxhall/Opel "Easytronic" is not a DSG-type dual-clutch 'box.  It is purely a conventional construction manual gearbox, with a conventional construction single plate dry clutch.  It looses the clutch pedal, and the clutch operation and gear selection are controled by a mechatronics module.  The floor shifter is similar to any auto, and it also has a tip function.

The original generation Easytronic was utterly horrible.  Whenever you were accelerating, using either part- or full-throttle, every time it changed gear, you would virtually head-but the windscreen!  :angry:  The later ones are slightly better, though to attempt to compare them with DSG is like chalk and cheese!
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 07 September 2008, 11:07
....Evo magazine review described the latest S3 as unexciting.

Maybe because the S3 is such an extremely accomplished and refined car - with no rough or raw edges?  :wink:
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: AlanD on 07 September 2008, 11:12
You all drive automatics haha !!


(I wish I had DSG lol)
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: Top Cat on 07 September 2008, 11:18
You all drive automatics haha !!


(I wish I had DSG lol)

I was waiting for R32 to post that one.  :grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: RedRobin on 07 September 2008, 11:59
....Evo magazine review described the latest S3 as unexciting.

Maybe because the S3 is such an extremely accomplished and refined car - with no rough or raw edges?  :wink:

....In different words, that's exactly what the review said. :afro:
Title: Re: Golf GTI DSG - Auto or Manual?
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 07 September 2008, 12:04
....Evo magazine review described the latest S3 as unexciting.

Maybe because the S3 is such an extremely accomplished and refined car - with no rough or raw edges?  :wink:

....In different words, that's exactly what the review said. :afro:

I must be telepathic or sommat, because I've not read Evo for ages!  :grin: