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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: luca on 31 August 2008, 22:26
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Im looking at buying some r32 front brakes for the ed30. The guy who is selling them is also selling the rears. Will the rears fit without any problems?
Front and rear set come with calipers, carriers, discs, splash guard etc. From an r32 that has done 5k miles.
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on the MKIV you needed 6mm spacers to make them fit
not sure if the same applies with the MKV though
sorry not much help really :undecided:
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I'd say they would.
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This is a bit of an impulse buy really. Getting revo done on thursday and team dynamics are on their way so getting a bit carried away with the spending lol. Just feel the car needs a little more stopping power, wil try and get some decent pads for the r32 fronts if i buy them. Hope they fit behind the team dynamics :laugh:.
Had a little play with an focus st tonight and felt the brakes lacking a little, still wiped the floor with it :evil:
TBF the st did sound very nice and pulled well (just not well enough :laugh:)
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Yes. :smiley:
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still waiting for my day with an ST in phylis!, evenly matched with my old dsg GTi but im sure my car wouldnt struggle now though
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should fit. :smiley: ive never had a do with an st either. :sad:
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Thanks for the info hurdy :wink:. Where can i get the calipers cleaned up and painted properly?, dont think i would do a good job :laugh:.
As for the st, it was a facelift 57 reg in black, looked really well and sounded sweet. It was a pretty even match from standstill to around 50, from then i sailed past :grin:.
Getting revo done on thursday, so should eat an st for breakfast :evil:
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The R32 rear brakes will NOT fit the Edition 30, nor any other front wheel drive Golf V platform car.
The R32, and the identical spec S3 rear brakes will ONLY fit a four wheel drive car. The hubs are different, and the wheel bearings are different.
If you really wanted to put the R32/S3 rear brakes on a GTI/Ed30/Leon Cupra R/Octy vRS - then you will need some serious modification to the rear suspension setup, including:
- two new rear hubs
- two new rear wheel bearings
- two outer CV joint "housing" (to support the rear wheel bearing)
- two new handbrake cables
- along with the entire rear brake setup (calipers, caliper carriers, discs, backplates, pads)
Boy, there seems to be some mis-information creeping into this forum! :rolleyes:
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Thanks for that tt. Will cancel the bids on the rears :smiley:. Dont think the rears would make much difference tbh
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still waiting for my day with an ST in phylis!, evenly matched with my old dsg GTi but im sure my car wouldnt struggle now though
if the ST has a remap you may (assuming your not remaped still) struggle IMO, standard you will be pretty even IMO
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Thanks for that tt. Will cancel the bids on the rears :smiley:.
Your'e welcome. :smiley:
Was it on eBay then? If so, did the ad state they would fit the GTI etc? If so, the seller needs reporting to eBay.
Dont think the rears would make much difference tbh
They actually would make quite a noticeable difference. The rears play a considerable part in the stability and dynamics of the car during braking. Furthermore, the rears also play a massive role during ESP operation.
Whilst the R32/S3 anchors would be a very valid upgrade, IMVHO, the cost, and the fact that you'll need to use "open" CV joints will not only put a big hole in your wallet, you could also be looking at premature rear bearing failure, and an increase in unsprung weight.
The easiest way to "improve" the rear end braking performance would be to regularly strip down the existing brakes, and clean the pad sliding surfaces, lubricating with very high temperature anti-sieze compound such as CopaSlip or Never-Seez. Ideally this needs doing twice a year - once a year as a minimum. And no - the stealers do not do this on a service!
If you find that you are "eating" the rear pads, then a common problem on the Mk5 is an over-tight handbrake. I did a detailed post before on this issue, but the forum "downtime" lost it! :rolleyes:
If all the above is in order, then some uprated pads would be a benefit.
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Car has only done 3k miles so pads should be fine. TT what do you mean by opening CV joints? will i need to do this when fitting the front R32 brakes?
Will probably upgrade the pads front and rear on the car when i have the R fronts. As for with im saving a bit with the team dynamics so should bring the weight back to normal.
Blue 182. There wasnt much in it with the st on the straight, at higher speeds i reeled him in. As for his driving on the corners he was pretty shocking. He would go into the corner too quick and apply the brakes mid corner, upsetting the back end.
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The R32 rear brakes will NOT fit the Edition 30, nor any other front wheel drive Golf V platform car.
The R32, and the identical spec S3 rear brakes will ONLY fit a four wheel drive car. The hubs are different, and the wheel bearings are different.
If you really wanted to put the R32/S3 rear brakes on a GTI/Ed30/Leon Cupra R/Octy vRS - then you will need some serious modification to the rear suspension setup, including:
- two new rear hubs
- two new rear wheel bearings
- two outer CV joint "housing" (to support the rear wheel bearing)
- two new handbrake cables
- along with the entire rear brake setup (calipers, caliper carriers, discs, backplates, pads)
Boy, there seems to be some mis-information creeping into this forum! :rolleyes:
blimey thats a lot more work than what the MKIV needed lol
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Car has only done 3k miles so pads should be fine.
OK. How old is the car?
And have you checked for correct adjustment of the handbrake cable? The full detail is found in the appropriate workshop manual as listed in my sticky.
TT what do you mean by opening CV joints? will i need to do this when fitting the front R32 brakes?
LOL - unless your car is a "zero" wheel drive, then upgrading the fronts won't be an issue! :evil:
Regarding the rears, because the R32 (and S3) have driven rear wheels, the rear end set up is designed to use rear driveshafts. Now, at the outer end of the driveshaft, this has a CV joint (constant velocity, alowing drive to be transmitted across the joint at a constant speed, irrespective of the angle of the joint). The "outer" part of the joint passes through the centre of the inner race of the wheel bearing (the outer race is supported in the wheel hub carrier), and is bolted to the actual rotating part of the hub, which also supports the brake disc, and the roadwheel.
Will probably upgrade the pads front and rear on the car when i have the R fronts.
Instead of R32 front brakes, go for the identical spec Leon Cupra R brakes, which are already painted red!
What pads are you considering?
As for with im saving a bit with the team dynamics so should bring the weight back to normal.
What - new rims? Which ones? Linky/pics please! Team Dynamics have a very good customer service, and had an excellent "no-quibble" attitiude with a problem rim I had on SWMBOs previous Astra.
Blue 182. There wasnt much in it with the st on the straight, at higher speeds i reeled him in. As for his driving on the corners he was pretty shocking. He would go into the corner too quick and apply the brakes mid corner, upsetting the back end.
Oh, the joys of muppet drivers! Actually, these tw@ts make my blood boil, as that kind of driving is invariably lethal to any following motorcyclists. Slow in, fast out is the correct, and best way of dealing with bends/corners!
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The R32 rear brakes will NOT fit the Edition 30, nor any other front wheel drive Golf V platform car.
The R32, and the identical spec S3 rear brakes will ONLY fit a four wheel drive car. The hubs are different, and the wheel bearings are different.
If you really wanted to put the R32/S3 rear brakes on a GTI/Ed30/Leon Cupra R/Octy vRS - then you will need some serious modification to the rear suspension setup, including:
- two new rear hubs
- two new rear wheel bearings
- two outer CV joint "housing" (to support the rear wheel bearing)
- two new handbrake cables
- along with the entire rear brake setup (calipers, caliper carriers, discs, backplates, pads)
Boy, there seems to be some mis-information creeping into this forum! :rolleyes:
blimey thats a lot more work than what the MKIV needed lol
I'm not too up with the Mk4 rear end conversions, but yes, on the Mk5 platform, it definately aint a "plug'n'play" simple bolt-on conversion, as many would lead you to believe! :rolleyes:
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There was a guy on here who bought the front and rear R32 conversion. That's why I put yes as my answer. I didn't realise he'd had to change all those parts as well as the brake set :shocked:
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I'm not too up with the Mk4 rear end conversions, but yes, on the Mk5 platform, it definately aint a "plug'n'play" simple bolt-on conversion, as many would lead you to believe! :rolleyes:
MKIV just required some 6mm spacers and the bigger splash guards - rest was plug and play :smug:
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There was a guy on here who bought the front and rear R32 conversion. That's why I put yes as my answer. I didn't realise he'd had to change all those parts as well as the brake set :shocked:
OK, sorry, I didn't mean to have a personal "dig" at anyone in particular. :smiley: Just didn't want to see anyone making an expensive "mistake"! :cry:
Who was it from here who bought the front and rear R32 anchors then? Have they posted their subsequent difficulties - or are they now the ones on eBay? :tongue: :grin:
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I'm not too up with the Mk4 rear end conversions, but yes, on the Mk5 platform, it definately aint a "plug'n'play" simple bolt-on conversion, as many would lead you to believe! :rolleyes:
MKIV just required some 6mm spacers and the bigger splash guards - rest was plug and play :smug:
Ahh - but you see - the Mk5 is a far more technically advanced, superior engineered specimen compared to the meagre Mk4 !!! :tongue: :tongue: :evil: :evil:
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There was a guy on here who bought the front and rear R32 conversion. That's why I put yes as my answer. I didn't realise he'd had to change all those parts as well as the brake set :shocked:
OK, sorry, I didn't mean to have a personal "dig" at anyone in particular. :smiley: Just didn't want to see anyone making an expensive "mistake"! :cry:
Who was it from here who bought the front and rear R32 anchors then? Have they posted their subsequent difficulties - or are they now the ones on eBay? :tongue: :grin:
Didn't see it as a dig TT and I'm glad you did point it out to him as I'd hate to think I made him buy something he couldn't use :embarassed: That's what we are all here for, to help each other *group hug*
From memory, it was a guy who posted up the pics of the calipers all set out, alongside the discs and carriers and some other bits. He wasn't a regular poster but wanted info on the carriers. Come to think of it, it was the rear carriers he was asking about.
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I'm not too up with the Mk4 rear end conversions, but yes, on the Mk5 platform, it definately aint a "plug'n'play" simple bolt-on conversion, as many would lead you to believe! :rolleyes:
MKIV just required some 6mm spacers and the bigger splash guards - rest was plug and play :smug:
Ahh - but you see - the Mk5 is a far more technically advanced, superior engineered specimen compared to the meagre Mk4 !!! :tongue: :tongue: :evil: :evil:
yebut its far easier and cheaper to modify :tongue: none of this change the ENTIRE rear assembely to fit bigger brakes :laugh: :laugh:
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Car has only done 3k miles so pads should be fine.
OK. How old is the car?
And have you checked for correct adjustment of the handbrake cable? The full detail is found in the appropriate workshop manual as listed in my sticky.
TT what do you mean by opening CV joints? will i need to do this when fitting the front R32 brakes?
LOL - unless your car is a "zero" wheel drive, then upgrading the fronts won't be an issue! :evil:
Regarding the rears, because the R32 (and S3) have driven rear wheels, the rear end set up is designed to use rear driveshafts. Now, at the outer end of the driveshaft, this has a CV joint (constant velocity, alowing drive to be transmitted across the joint at a constant speed, irrespective of the angle of the joint). The "outer" part of the joint passes through the centre of the inner race of the wheel bearing (the outer race is supported in the wheel hub carrier), and is bolted to the actual rotating part of the hub, which also supports the brake disc, and the roadwheel.
Will probably upgrade the pads front and rear on the car when i have the R fronts.
Instead of R32 front brakes, go for the identical spec Leon Cupra R brakes, which are already painted red!
What pads are you considering?
As for with im saving a bit with the team dynamics so should bring the weight back to normal.
What - new rims? Which ones? Linky/pics please! Team Dynamics have a very good customer service, and had an excellent "no-quibble" attitiude with a problem rim I had on SWMBOs previous Astra.
Blue 182. There wasnt much in it with the st on the straight, at higher speeds i reeled him in. As for his driving on the corners he was pretty shocking. He would go into the corner too quick and apply the brakes mid corner, upsetting the back end.
Oh, the joys of muppet drivers! Actually, these tw@ts make my blood boil, as that kind of driving is invariably lethal to any following motorcyclists. Slow in, fast out is the correct, and best way of dealing with bends/corners!
Thanks for clearing the cv joint question. Car is 2months old. The wheels are the same as vtechs, team dynamics pro race 1.2 in gloss black 18". Will be here by the end of the week so will have pics then. As for pads, i may go for ferodo or see if carbontech do brake pads to fit.
Would be easier getting the leon cupra brakes. Will try the seat dealers to see how much i can get them for.
Thanks TT
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I have the rear R32 brakes on my GTI. The mechanic did mention more work was needed to fit the rears. The rear brakes dust plates needed to be modded to fit.
Kev
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How do you find them compared to the gti brakes?
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There was a guy on here who bought the front and rear R32 conversion. That's why I put yes as my answer. I didn't realise he'd had to change all those parts as well as the brake set :shocked:
OK, sorry, I didn't mean to have a personal "dig" at anyone in particular. :smiley: Just didn't want to see anyone making an expensive "mistake"! :cry:
Who was it from here who bought the front and rear R32 anchors then? Have they posted their subsequent difficulties - or are they now the ones on eBay? :tongue: :grin:
Didn't see it as a dig TT and I'm glad you did point it out to him as I'd hate to think I made him buy something he couldn't use :embarassed: That's what we are all here for, to help each other *group hug*
OK, cool. I'm just aware that my posts can sometimes seem a little harsh, or be taken out of context. Thanks for clarifying - mwah, mwah !! :laugh: :laugh:
From memory, it was a guy who posted up the pics of the calipers all set out, alongside the discs and carriers and some other bits. He wasn't a regular poster but wanted info on the carriers. Come to think of it, it was the rear carriers he was asking about.
OK. But do we know if he actually got them fitted?
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I'm not too up with the Mk4 rear end conversions, but yes, on the Mk5 platform, it definately aint a "plug'n'play" simple bolt-on conversion, as many would lead you to believe! :rolleyes:
MKIV just required some 6mm spacers and the bigger splash guards - rest was plug and play :smug:
Ahh - but you see - the Mk5 is a far more technically advanced, superior engineered specimen compared to the meagre Mk4 !!! :tongue: :tongue: :evil: :evil:
yebut its far easier and cheaper to modify :tongue: none of this change the ENTIRE rear assembely to fit bigger brakes :laugh: :laugh:
<fx/on> finds a corner to sulk <fx/off>
:tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:
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Car has only done 3k miles so pads should be fine.
OK. How old is the car?
And have you checked for correct adjustment of the handbrake cable? The full detail is found in the appropriate workshop manual as listed in my sticky.
TT what do you mean by opening CV joints? will i need to do this when fitting the front R32 brakes?
LOL - unless your car is a "zero" wheel drive, then upgrading the fronts won't be an issue! :evil:
Regarding the rears, because the R32 (and S3) have driven rear wheels, the rear end set up is designed to use rear driveshafts. Now, at the outer end of the driveshaft, this has a CV joint (constant velocity, alowing drive to be transmitted across the joint at a constant speed, irrespective of the angle of the joint). The "outer" part of the joint passes through the centre of the inner race of the wheel bearing (the outer race is supported in the wheel hub carrier), and is bolted to the actual rotating part of the hub, which also supports the brake disc, and the roadwheel.
Will probably upgrade the pads front and rear on the car when i have the R fronts.
Instead of R32 front brakes, go for the identical spec Leon Cupra R brakes, which are already painted red!
What pads are you considering?
As for with im saving a bit with the team dynamics so should bring the weight back to normal.
What - new rims? Which ones? Linky/pics please! Team Dynamics have a very good customer service, and had an excellent "no-quibble" attitiude with a problem rim I had on SWMBOs previous Astra.
Blue 182. There wasnt much in it with the st on the straight, at higher speeds i reeled him in. As for his driving on the corners he was pretty shocking. He would go into the corner too quick and apply the brakes mid corner, upsetting the back end.
Oh, the joys of muppet drivers! Actually, these tw@ts make my blood boil, as that kind of driving is invariably lethal to any following motorcyclists. Slow in, fast out is the correct, and best way of dealing with bends/corners!
Thanks for clearing the cv joint question. Car is 2months old. The wheels are the same as vtechs, team dynamics pro race 1.2 in gloss black 18". Will be here by the end of the week so will have pics then. As for pads, i may go for ferodo or see if carbontech do brake pads to fit.
Would be easier getting the leon cupra brakes. Will try the seat dealers to see how much i can get them for.
Thanks TT
Try your local TPS - they do all four mainstream marques of the VW Group - and if you are spending that amount of dosh, a starting discount will be 10%.
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I have the rear R32 brakes on my GTI. The mechanic did mention more work was needed to fit the rears. The rear brakes dust plates needed to be modded to fit.
Kev
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Hmmmm - sorry to piss on your bonfire, but those do not look like Mk5 R32 rear anchors in your pics! Can you post some clearer photos, showing the caliper and disc more clearly?
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Are the R32 rears,GTI front brakes then? If you get what I mean?
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Are the R32 rears,GTI front brakes then? If you get what I mean?
Which was what I was going to ask. Will my GTI fronts fit on the rear or do I need to replace all the other parts too (as in the R32 conversion)?
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Are the R32 rears,GTI front brakes then? If you get what I mean?
I think I get your question - but no is the answer.
The front wheel drive GTI / Edition30 / Seat Leon Cupra / Å koda Octavia vRS (all from the PQ35 platform) all use identical specification rear brakes, being solid discs, 286mm diameter by 12mm thick. They are clamped by a Lucas/TRW CII38HR-A caliper, with a piston bore of 38mm.
Whereas on the identical platform four wheel drives such as the R32 and the S3, the disc is a centrally ventilated one (just like the fronts), and is 310mm in diameter by 22mm thick. A different type of Lucas/TRW caliper is used, namely a CII41HR-A - I'll let you guess the piston size!
Now, on the "lesser" 4motion models, such as the Golf TDI 4motion, the caliper is the same CII41, but the disc diameter is both smaller, and non ventilated.
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Are the R32 rears,GTI front brakes then? If you get what I mean?
Which was what I was going to ask. Will my GTI fronts fit on the rear or do I need to replace all the other parts too (as in the R32 conversion)?
Huh, maybe I did mis-understand TagnuTs question! :embarassed:
So, to that - NO front brakes are interchangable with any rear brakes - at all. :nerd:
Unless you know of a Mk5 Golf which has the handbrake working on the front wheels! :rolleyes: :grin:
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Are the R32 rears,GTI front brakes then? If you get what I mean?
Which was what I was going to ask. Will my GTI fronts fit on the rear or do I need to replace all the other parts too (as in the R32 conversion)?
Huh, maybe I did mis-understand TagnuTs question! :embarassed:
So, to that - NO front brakes are interchangable with any rear brakes - at all. :nerd:
Unless you know of a Mk5 Golf which has the handbrake working on the front wheels! :rolleyes: :grin:
ok, forgot about the handbrake :rolleyes: Just that the shape looked similar. :smiley:
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I bought the front R32 set up of ebay some time ago for £205 of ebay, reason being the Seat and VW dealers want dif prices for essentialy the same parts.
VW R32 Part no's
LH Calliper: 1K0 615 123J - £161.63
RH Calliper: 1K0 615 124J - £161.63
Carriers: 1K0 615 125F - £119.10 each
Seat Cupra Part no's
LH Calliper: 1K0 615 123K - £109.32
RH Calliper: 1K0 615 124K - £109.32
Carriers: 1K0 615 125G - £146.05 each
Vw parts has the r32 set up for sale for £650 all in incl delivery.
I painted mine but didnt like the look so got them powder coated instead
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don't have any clearer pics. but the rear discs are about the same diameter as the stock gti fronts. Also the caliper is alot bigger than the stock rears.
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My mate works for vw and said he can get the r32 brakes at cost +10%. Will see what price he comes up with, if i dont get the ebay ones.
K4ith how much did it cost to powder coat the calipers? Where did you get them done?
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don't have any clearer pics. but the rear discs are about the same diameter as the stock gti fronts.
And are they ventilated?
Also the caliper is alot bigger than the stock rears.
Yes, it may be visibly bigger than the GTI rear caliper, but it is fundamentally the same rear caliper design, with the same handbrake operation!
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My mate works for vw and said he can get the r32 brakes at cost +10%. Will see what price he comes up with, if i dont get the ebay ones.
K4ith how much did it cost to powder coat the calipers? Where did you get them done?
I had to strip the piston section from the calliper which is just big bolts i think.But it was £60 for the 2 callipers and carriers.Its was local company where i worked in Livingston.
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T/T here's a pic of what the disc looks like, note the badly spayed hub/bell lol.
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T/T here's a pic of what the disc looks like, note the badly spayed hub/bell lol.
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OK, refresh my grey matter, these were all 2nd hand parts? What about the brake pads?
Give it 250 miles of moderate braking to properly bed in the pads, and see if it improves!
Otherwise, maybe the part of the caliper where the pad slides has a build-up of rust, or even paint, which is stopping free movement of the pads. You may need to strip them down again and properly clean the pad guides, and lubricate them with some proper v.high temp anti-sieze paste, and not the lithium based grease which VW recommends (and which goes up in smoke and fire!).
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Yes they were 2nd hand. the discs were cleaned before going on the car, the rust colour has been there since the car was washed since then it covered 100 miles.
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don't have any clearer pics. but the rear discs are about the same diameter as the stock gti fronts.
And are they ventilated?
Also the caliper is alot bigger than the stock rears.
Yes, it may be visibly bigger than the GTI rear caliper, but it is fundamentally the same rear caliper design, with the same handbrake operation!
Restoring an old thread, but yes T_T my rear discs are ventilated. I understand the stock rear GTI ones are solid discs?
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don't have any clearer pics. but the rear discs are about the same diameter as the stock gti fronts.
And are they ventilated?
Also the caliper is alot bigger than the stock rears.
Yes, it may be visibly bigger than the GTI rear caliper, but it is fundamentally the same rear caliper design, with the same handbrake operation!
Restoring an old thread, but yes T_T my rear discs are ventilated. I understand the stock rear GTI ones are solid discs?
I agree with you, they are R32 rears. You can tell from the discs. As mentioned above the caliper design and size for that matter is very similar to the GTI caliper but with a bigger channel to allow for the thicker discs.
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To clarify the upgrade on a Mk4 involves a spacer between the caliper carrier and the hub to align the caliper/carrier with the disc. It is not a wheel spacer.
The standard splash guards can remain if you desire, but you need to bend/trim them to allow for the bigger discs. To replace them you need to strip the brakes and wheel bearings etc so most people don't bother.
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Now for the MK5 :smiley:. I guess it can be done as you can see the photos in the other thread. I too would very much like to know, is it a case of making spacers for example?!!
However on Uk-MKIVs I was part of a similar thread and asked if anyone knew of other VAG cars that might be able to donate off the shelf FWD rear carriers to make it a bolt on job (similar to MK4 Anni rear carriers on a MK4 conversion). Another poster on the thread suggested that V6 Eos has vented rears but is FWD. And as such the rear carriers from that car might make it plug and play. That said I have not confirmed this so I don't know if it is possible to use rear V6 Eos carrier to fit R32 rears.
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don't have any clearer pics. but the rear discs are about the same diameter as the stock gti fronts.
And are they ventilated?
Also the caliper is alot bigger than the stock rears.
Yes, it may be visibly bigger than the GTI rear caliper, but it is fundamentally the same rear caliper design, with the same handbrake operation!
Restoring an old thread, but yes T_T my rear discs are ventilated. I understand the stock rear GTI ones are solid discs?
Yup, the GTI rears are 12mm solids, wheras the R32/S3 rears are 22mm ventilated. :nerd: :smiley:
So the question remains - how did you get them to fit? :undecided:
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To clarify the upgrade on a Mk4 involves a spacer between the caliper carrier and the hub to align the caliper/carrier with the disc. It is not a wheel spacer.
Why the post of completely irrelevant info? This is Mk5 only section of the forum! :rolleyes:
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Now for the MK5 :smiley:. I guess it can be done as you can see the photos in the other thread. I too would very much like to know, is it a case of making spacers for example?!!
However on Uk-MKIVs I was part of a similar thread and asked if anyone knew of other VAG cars that might be able to donate off the shelf FWD rear carriers to make it a bolt on job (similar to MK4 Anni rear carriers on a MK4 conversion). Another poster on the thread suggested that V6 Eos has vented rears but is FWD. And as such the rear carriers from that car might make it plug and play. That said I have not confirmed this so I don't know if it is possible to use rear V6 Eos carrier to fit R32 rears.
Interesting . . . did they not get any concrete answers on ukmkivs?
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To clarify the upgrade on a Mk4 involves a spacer between the caliper carrier and the hub to align the caliper/carrier with the disc. It is not a wheel spacer.
Why the post of completely irrelevant info? This is Mk5 only section of the forum! :rolleyes:
Because...it was part of the disussion earlier in the thread, plus a similar solution for the MK5 might be better than the proposed rear axle rebuild! :tongue:
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Now for the MK5 :smiley:. I guess it can be done as you can see the photos in the other thread. I too would very much like to know, is it a case of making spacers for example?!!
However on Uk-MKIVs I was part of a similar thread and asked if anyone knew of other VAG cars that might be able to donate off the shelf FWD rear carriers to make it a bolt on job (similar to MK4 Anni rear carriers on a MK4 conversion). Another poster on the thread suggested that V6 Eos has vented rears but is FWD. And as such the rear carriers from that car might make it plug and play. That said I have not confirmed this so I don't know if it is possible to use rear V6 Eos carrier to fit R32 rears.
Interesting . . . did they not get any concrete answers on ukmkivs?
I'm afraid not, that's where the thread ended. Eos carriers does sound good in theory, but it would have to be fully researched. I never took it any further at the time because even though I have front and rear Mk5 brakes in my garage I'm currently driving a Mk4.
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To clarify the upgrade on a Mk4 involves a spacer between the caliper carrier and the hub to align the caliper/carrier with the disc. It is not a wheel spacer.
Why the post of completely irrelevant info? This is Mk5 only section of the forum! :rolleyes:
Because...it was part of the disussion earlier in the thread, plus a similar solution for the MK5 might be better than the proposed rear axle rebuild! :tongue:
Was it? Must of missed then, sorry! :smiley:
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Now for the MK5 :smiley:. I guess it can be done as you can see the photos in the other thread. I too would very much like to know, is it a case of making spacers for example?!!
However on Uk-MKIVs I was part of a similar thread and asked if anyone knew of other VAG cars that might be able to donate off the shelf FWD rear carriers to make it a bolt on job (similar to MK4 Anni rear carriers on a MK4 conversion). Another poster on the thread suggested that V6 Eos has vented rears but is FWD. And as such the rear carriers from that car might make it plug and play. That said I have not confirmed this so I don't know if it is possible to use rear V6 Eos carrier to fit R32 rears.
Interesting . . . did they not get any concrete answers on ukmkivs?
I'm afraid not, that's where the thread ended. Eos carriers does sound good in theory, but it would have to be fully researched. I never took it any further at the time because even though I have front and rear Mk5 brakes in my garage I'm currently driving a Mk4.
OK, thanks.
But I'd guess Eos rear hub carriers ain't cheap, and would add a considerable cost to the rear conversion. Would the cost outweigh the benefits? Or are you getting into Alcon-prices, in which case, the Alcons would be much more :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
I'll have a shufty and see what I can work out. :smiley:
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To clarify the upgrade on a Mk4 involves a spacer between the caliper carrier and the hub to align the caliper/carrier with the disc. It is not a wheel spacer.
Why the post of completely irrelevant info? This is Mk5 only section of the forum! :rolleyes:
Because...it was part of the disussion earlier in the thread, plus a similar solution for the MK5 might be better than the proposed rear axle rebuild! :tongue:
Was it? Must of missed then, sorry! :smiley:
look at page 2 to refresh your memory :tongue:
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To clarify the upgrade on a Mk4 involves a spacer between the caliper carrier and the hub to align the caliper/carrier with the disc. It is not a wheel spacer.
Why the post of completely irrelevant info? This is Mk5 only section of the forum! :rolleyes:
Because...it was part of the disussion earlier in the thread, plus a similar solution for the MK5 might be better than the proposed rear axle rebuild! :tongue:
Was it? Must of missed then, sorry! :smiley:
look at page 2 to refresh your memory :tongue:
Hmmmm . . . just have. But the crux of the thread is still about upgrading the rears of a Mk FIVE, so advising on how to do it on a Mk4 will just be misleading and confusing to the casual reader! :smug: :tongue:
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Hmmmm . . . just have. But the crux of the thread is still about upgrading the rears of a Mk FIVE, so advising on how to do it on a Mk4 will just be misleading and confusing to the casual reader! :smug: :tongue:
i know that it is about a MKV - but i said to have another look as you seemd to have suffered from a dose of amnesia and couldn't remember what had happened earlier in the thread :tongue:
anyway this topic is like all others here........... :lipsrsealed: :grin: :grin: :wink:
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Good evening. I have a Seat Leon 1.8 TSI MY2010 facelift and I was searching the web about info on fitting the rear S3 8p brakes to my car (exactly the same as the r32 rear brakes). I came across with this topic and as it was by far the most misleading, I decided to reply. Teutonic_Tamer you seem to be a very ignorant person so please don't right things that you don't know. You wrote the following.
The R32 rear brakes will NOT fit the Edition 30, nor any other front wheel drive Golf V platform car.
The R32, and the identical spec S3 rear brakes will ONLY fit a four wheel drive car. The hubs are different, and the wheel bearings are different.
If you really wanted to put the R32/S3 rear brakes on a GTI/Ed30/Leon Cupra R/Octy vRS - then you will need some serious modification to the rear suspension setup, including:
- two new rear hubs
- two new rear wheel bearings
- two outer CV joint "housing" (to support the rear wheel bearing)
- two new handbrake cables
- along with the entire rear brake setup (calipers, caliper carriers, discs, backplates, pads)
Boy, there seems to be some mis-information creeping into this forum! :rolleyes:
The only mis-information regarding this topic is you!!!
The rear s3/r32 brakes are a direct fit, I mean plug & play completely to any MKV platform based car. You just take the stock off and place the new ones. No modifications, no hubs change, no hand-brake conversions, no rear wheel bearings. PLUG & PLAY!!! How did you make all this up?
Here are some photos of the rear s3 brakes fitted to my car.
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/billman_2006/Leon/IMG_5788.jpg)
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h123/billman_2006/Leon/IMG_5791.jpg)
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Holy thread revival :laugh:
TT flagellated himself over this error many times Billman. Generally TT is a very good source of info and I have met him on a few occasions and he is a very nice chap. I had the S3/R32 rears on mine too. You may notice that back in 2008 I said yes too :wink: