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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: bobbarley on 27 August 2008, 16:45
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So the car went to VW last night, and they rung me up at about 10:30 this morning with the results of their 30 minute (£45 + vat) inspection. Apparently they identified very quickly that the door module is fine, apparently it's the actual lock that's broken. I've told them to go ahead with it, will be all done by tomorrow afternoon. Total is £230 apparently.
Right. The guy told me they had time left on the 30 minute inspection, so gave the car a quick once over. They've found the following problems. I've starred the MOT failures (according to VW), and the prices are VW quotes.
£316.20 - Dash clock digital display (I've known for ages that my HIS is broken. Ridiculously over priced quote for fixing it.)
* £167.39 - Rear discs and pads (They say my pads are 80% warn, and my discs are completely warped.)
* £339.46 - Suspension Control Arms (Guys I've NO idea what this is!! Is this important, how much are these things?)
* £143.82 - Exhaust Centre Bracket (Apparently it's come loose, but the rubber fits are holding the centre on. No idea what they mean.)
* £97.34 EACH - Front tyres (I have 3mm tread left apparently.)
* £46.90 - Brake fluid (Surely that's got to be the most overly inflated price of the lot? Isn't brake fluid like £5?)
* £19.17 - Wiper blades
Their quote for all the "essential" work comes to £911.42.
He also said the CAM belt needed changing, but it was done 1 year ago, and has only done 5,000 miles since then. Brake fluid was also replaced at the same time, 10/07/07.
Brakes aren't a problem. I'm picking up some Mintex 312mm discs and pads for the front, and new rear Mintex discs and pads tomorrow, £112.98, bargain! Tyres I'm not worried about, I can get them done for much cheaper elsewhere. Brake fluid and wiper blades are also a minor concern to me at the moment.
Could you guys take a look at this and tell me what's what with the other things? I'm rather gullible, so don't know how much of this is true, and what will really be an MOT failure. My next MOT isn't due until 18/02/09.
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seems very well vw priced :tongue: and the problem is if you dont know whats what i can see hwo easy it is to be well conned into thinking something need doing, i mean if teh cambelt was changed a year ago i doubt thats right ?
the other stuff not sure im about as mechanically minded as a cashew nut lol
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This is the thing. My technical knowledge is currently about that of a small African tribesmen with only one arm. VW know this, so I've no doubt they're trying to rip me off.
What they don't know if I'm a member of golfti.co.uk, and the guys here hopefully WILL know what's what :)
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Well I'm about as technically minded as a used condom but I thought if the brake discs are warped, you would feel some sort of sensation through the wheel... :huh:
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Brakes are generally fine, but under heavy braking they're very lacking, and make a crunching noise like part of the car has fallen off!
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Brakes are generally fine, but under heavy braking they're very lacking, and make a crunching noise like part of the car has fallen off!
...and you haven't had this checked out before now?!?!
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i woner what the others will refer there technical knowledge to lol :grin:, nuts, used condoms, one arm afican tribesman so far
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Brakes are generally fine, but under heavy braking they're very lacking, and make a crunching noise like part of the car has fallen off!
...and you haven't had this checked out before now?!?!
Only had to do an emergency stop for the first time the other week :)
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that was probably your abs..
If i were you i'd take that list to a specialist (without prices ofcourse) and see what they make of it. You're quite close to AwesomeGTI aren't you?
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that was probably your abs..
If i were you i'd take that list to a specialist (without prices ofcourse) and see what they make of it. You're quite close to AwesomeGTI aren't you?
Yeah I'm only 7 miles or so away.
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A chap I used to work with took his car to VW for a pre MOT check, they quoted virtually a full new suspension amongst other things and wanted approx £1500 to fix, £400 later his car had passed an MOT at a specialist VW garage. So sounds about right what they are telling you Bob, anyway surely 3mm of tread ain't an MOT failure just a advise??
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bit dubious that its the actual lock thats broken - surely its just a catch and a soleniod :undecided: it was your rear passenger door that has problems? - for that price i'd want a gurantee that if the problem isn't cured i'd want my money back!
as for your list
1 - tell them to fook off
2 - £50 to rectify with discs and pads and hour of your own time
3 - wishsbones possibly? basically they are £25 per side and just 5 bolts un-does them - about an hour's labour max
4 - get a new bracket welded on
5 - minimum legal limit is 1.8mm so plenty of mileage left
6 - i paid £30 from VW themselves for my fluid change 2 WEEKS AGO!
7 - need them - time to upgrade to full aero :cool:
don't worry about the cambelt - its 40K or every 4 years. I expect your service book isn't stamped with it so they've taken one look and gone 'its not been done' they keep trying to tell me the same thing yet i've got receipts to prove the work was done
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I don't actually have a service book. But I have the receipt FROM VW showing the cam belt was done. All the work carried out on the car since purchase has been done by VW, yet they have no record of it!! Idiots.
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Brake fluid is only 12 months aold, would I be right in saying I only need a top up? Surely only a few quid?
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Brake fluid is only 12 months aold, would I be right in saying I only need a top up? Surely only a few quid?
again they've listed things based on the lack of your service book
ignore them is your best course of action!
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I'd get a second opinion from an independent garage before you do anything.
And I wouldn't take my car to a main dealer they charge extortionate prices
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Brake fluid is only 12 months aold, would I be right in saying I only need a top up? Surely only a few quid?
Brake fluid shouldn't really need topping up, to be fair. BUT, it should be replaced every 2 years REGARDLESS of mileage, as the fluid naturally absorbs moisture from the atmosphere. The £40 is for a complete change, Bob, not just a top-up. Prob about 1/2 hr labour they're quoting there.
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bit dubious that its the actual lock thats broken - surely its just a catch and a soleniod :undecided: it was your rear passenger door that has problems? - for that price i'd want a gurantee that if the problem isn't cured i'd want my money back!
as for your list
1 - tell them to fook off
2 - £50 to rectify with discs and pads and hour of your own time
3 - wishsbones possibly? basically they are £25 per side and just 5 bolts un-does them - about an hour's labour max
4 - get a new bracket welded on
5 - minimum legal limit is 1.8mm so plenty of mileage left
6 - i paid £30 from VW themselves for my fluid change 2 WEEKS AGO!
7 - need them - time to upgrade to full aero :cool:
don't worry about the cambelt - its 40K or every 4 years. I expect your service book isn't stamped with it so they've taken one look and gone 'its not been done' they keep trying to tell me the same thing yet i've got receipts to prove the work was done
Legal UK minimum tyre depth is 1.6 mm! :tongue:
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The brake fluid, easy job though isn't it? Drain it out, then top up with new stuff, whilst bleeding?
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bit dubious that its the actual lock thats broken - surely its just a catch and a soleniod :undecided: it was your rear passenger door that has problems? - for that price i'd want a gurantee that if the problem isn't cured i'd want my money back!
as for your list
1 - tell them to fook off
2 - £50 to rectify with discs and pads and hour of your own time
3 - wishsbones possibly? basically they are £25 per side and just 5 bolts un-does them - about an hour's labour max
4 - get a new bracket welded on
5 - minimum legal limit is 1.8mm so plenty of mileage left
6 - i paid £30 from VW themselves for my fluid change 2 WEEKS AGO!
7 - need them - time to upgrade to full aero :cool:
don't worry about the cambelt - its 40K or every 4 years. I expect your service book isn't stamped with it so they've taken one look and gone 'its not been done' they keep trying to tell me the same thing yet i've got receipts to prove the work was done
Legal UK minimum tyre depth is 1.6 mm! :tongue:
well i'm making sure he's safe then isn't it :tongue: :grin:
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bit dubious that its the actual lock thats broken - surely its just a catch and a soleniod :undecided: it was your rear passenger door that has problems? - for that price i'd want a gurantee that if the problem isn't cured i'd want my money back!
as for your list
1 - tell them to fook off
2 - £50 to rectify with discs and pads and hour of your own time
3 - wishsbones possibly? basically they are £25 per side and just 5 bolts un-does them - about an hour's labour max
4 - get a new bracket welded on
5 - minimum legal limit is 1.8mm so plenty of mileage left
6 - i paid £30 from VW themselves for my fluid change 2 WEEKS AGO!
7 - need them - time to upgrade to full aero :cool:
don't worry about the cambelt - its 40K or every 4 years. I expect your service book isn't stamped with it so they've taken one look and gone 'its not been done' they keep trying to tell me the same thing yet i've got receipts to prove the work was done
Legal UK minimum tyre depth is 1.6 mm! :tongue:
well i'm making sure he's safe then isn't it :tongue: :grin:
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But, this is Bob, though, isn't it??!! :undecided: :grin:
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The brake fluid, easy job though isn't it? Drain it out, then top up with new stuff, whilst bleeding?
The Mk4 system isn't the easiest on the planet to bleed, though. You'd be wise to buy a bleeding kit. & by the time you've done this..................................
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The brake fluid, easy job though isn't it? Drain it out, then top up with new stuff, whilst bleeding?
The Mk4 system isn't the easiest on the planet to bleed, though. You'd be wise to buy a bleeding kit. & by the time you've done this..................................
Point taken. Definitely doesn't need doing at the moment though after one year. I'll leave it, and if it does come up on the MOT, will just get it done then.
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The brake fluid, easy job though isn't it? Drain it out, then top up with new stuff, whilst bleeding?
The Mk4 system isn't the easiest on the planet to bleed, though. You'd be wise to buy a bleeding kit. & by the time you've done this..................................
Point taken. Definitely doesn't need doing at the moment though after one year. I'll leave it, and if it does come up on the MOT, will just get it done then.
get your brakes fitted first if doing the work yourself or get the garage doing the work to do the brake fluid at the same time
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Reckon front and back brakes should be done in an hour at a garage?
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Reckon front and back brakes should be done in an hour at a garage?
fronts yes
rears perhaps a little longer - depends if you're fitting the new splash shields as you have to remove the hubs to do so
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I didn't buy any new splash shields. Just got discs and pads coming.
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I didn't buy any new splash shields. Just got discs and pads coming.
sorry i thought you were upgrading to the 256mm. So you're just replacing the standard rears at the moment?
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I didn't buy any new splash shields. Just got discs and pads coming.
sorry i thought you were upgrading to the 256mm. So you're just replacing the standard rears at the moment?
Yeah, I couldn't be bothered upgrading the rears yet.
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The brake fluid, easy job though isn't it? Drain it out, then top up with new stuff, whilst bleeding?
The Mk4 system isn't the easiest on the planet to bleed, though. You'd be wise to buy a bleeding kit. & by the time you've done this..................................
Point taken. Definitely doesn't need doing at the moment though after one year. I'll leave it, and if it does come up on the MOT, will just get it done then.
get your brakes fitted first if doing the work yourself or get the garage doing the work to do the brake fluid at the same time
They're just yanking his chain with the rear discs/pads tho, mate. My local stealer told me 2 services ago that my rear discs/pads were 80% worn, then 2 months later it passed the MOT at the SAME VW garage & then had another service there & they didn't even mention them................ & then...................... passed the MOT AGAIN with the same discs/pads!!! :grin:
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I didn't buy any new splash shields. Just got discs and pads coming.
sorry i thought you were upgrading to the 256mm. So you're just replacing the standard rears at the moment?
Yeah, I couldn't be bothered upgrading the rears yet.
Only significant benefit is the aesthetics, IMO. :smiley:
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I didn't buy any new splash shields. Just got discs and pads coming.
sorry i thought you were upgrading to the 256mm. So you're just replacing the standard rears at the moment?
Yeah, I couldn't be bothered upgrading the rears yet.
Only significant benefit is the aesthetics, IMO. :smiley:
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Rhyso are those cool lil black covers over your nuts?
No dirtiness intended!
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Rhyso are those cool lil black covers over your nuts?
No dirtiness intended!
yep just standard plastic nut covers - bought 15p each from vagparts.co.uk
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Rhyso are those cool lil black covers over your nuts?
No dirtiness intended!
yep just standard plastic nut covers - bought 15p each from vagparts.co.uk
Add's to list.
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Rhyso are those cool lil black covers over your nuts?
No dirtiness intended!
yep just standard plastic nut covers - bought 15p each from vagparts.co.uk
Add's to list.
didn't think you needed them mate as you got proper covers? :huh:
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Rhyso are those cool lil black covers over your nuts?
No dirtiness intended!
yep just standard plastic nut covers - bought 15p each from vagparts.co.uk
Add's to list.
Wont see them on your wheels tho bob.........
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Rhyso are those cool lil black covers over your nuts?
No dirtiness intended!
yep just standard plastic nut covers - bought 15p each from vagparts.co.uk
Add's to list.
didn't think you needed them mate as you got proper covers? :huh:
Covers got stolen.
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If it's the lock then you've got a chance to fook them off and put a delock kit on there. But I doubt it is, most problems with Golf/Boras locking turns out to be the solenoid
As for fluid, as everyone has said it only needs doing every 2 years so tell them to jog on. Same with the cam belt, and again with tyres. Suspension control arms, I'm not sure what they are talking about TBH but at a guess I would say bushes which turn out to be quite labour intensive sometimes. See if you can get them to explain what they mean or better yet show you. Exhaust centre bracket sounds like the part that bolts up undeer the middle after the centre pipe is hung on the rubbers. If yours is broken, a scrapyard will be the best bet for one (although I don't see how it has broken)
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I don't see how the exhaust bracket isn't a 10 minute job.
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I don't see how the exhaust bracket isn't a 10 minute job.
Exactly.................................... They've loosened your belt/flies & are ready in waiting to give you a right royal rogering over the service desk counter!! :grin:
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It's a 2 minute job with the air ratchet
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at this rate its round to Bob's for tea on the weekend to fix his car for him :grin: :grin:
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I'm up for it, will even provide bacon sandwiches! :)
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I'm up for it, will even provide bacon sandwiches! :)
lol - i'm already helping Rich with his - Ivor is fairly close to you though :afro:
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at this rate its round to Bob's for tea on the weekend to fix his car for him :grin: :grin:
No mine first :tongue:
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at this rate its round to Bob's for tea on the weekend to fix his car for him :grin: :grin:
No mine first :tongue:
see above ^^^^^ :wink:
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I'm up for it, will even provide bacon sandwiches! :)
lol - i'm already helping Rich with his - Ivor is fairly close to you though :afro:
He's 106 miles away :)
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I'm up for it, will even provide bacon sandwiches! :)
lol - i'm already helping Rich with his - Ivor is fairly close to you though :afro:
He's 106 miles away :)
i'm a lot further than that lol
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Don't worry, it'll only cost you tuppence in diesel! Plus I'll get you a tent to sleep in :)
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Don't worry, it'll only cost you tuppence in diesel! Plus I'll get you a tent to sleep in :)
got a nice comfy bed to sleep in thanks mate :grin: :grin:
i'm already booked for this weekend i'm afraid
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I'm in Devon at the weekend :cool:
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I'm in Devon at the weekend :cool:
Where abouts bob?
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Abbotsham I believe, next to Bideford.
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Abbotsham I believe, next to Bideford.
North devon nice up ther TBH :wink: I live near torquay.
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Having a weekend in Devon with the family and girlfriend. Parents are paying for it, so can't complain.
See how the Golf handles the 520 mile round trip :)
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Having a weekend in Devon with the family and girlfriend. Parents are paying for it, so can't complain.
See how the Golf handles the 520 mile round trip :)
Good now you have the 32 dog bone :grin:
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Abbotsham I believe, next to Bideford.
North devon nice up ther TBH :wink: I live near torquay.
thats where basil fawlty lived any relation rich? :laugh:
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Abbotsham I believe, next to Bideford.
North devon nice up ther TBH :wink: I live near torquay.
Yup, im a North Devon Lad and its lovely!!!!
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Just got the car back from the garage, asked him about the suspension.
"So what's wrong with the suspension then exactly, I don't know what a control arm is"
"Well, basically your bushes at the front on each side have gone. but you can't buy bushes on their own, you have to buy whole new sets"
What an idiot!!! :grin: So what bushes shall Bob be needing?
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Looks like I need some R32 bushes perhaps? Could well get a garage to do them, looks like a lot of bloody hard work removing and fitting the new ones! :grin:
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Abbotsham I believe, next to Bideford.
North devon nice up ther TBH :wink: I live near torquay.
thats where basil fawlty lived any relation rich? :laugh:
Yep my uncle ..... :grin: :grin: :laugh:
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I'm up for it, will even provide bacon sandwiches! :)
lol - i'm already helping Rich with his - Ivor is fairly close to you though :afro:
He's 106 miles away :)
That's such a shame.....................................
My call out range is only 100 miles!!! :laugh:
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What bushes are people using? Some sort of mk4 ones, or are you using Powerflex?
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What bushes are people using? Some sort of mk4 ones, or are you using Powerflex?
read this and tell the bloke at VW to go shaft himself with your old bushes
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/p/167165/1383258.aspx#1383258
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I saw that earlier, good reading. Which bushes are people recommending? Go for the same ones again, or Powerflex?
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I saw that earlier, good reading. Which bushes are people recommending? Go for the same ones again, or Powerflex?
i'd go for the Audi ones IMO :smiley:
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Install up rated bushes that are of solid rubber construction like the ones from the Audi TT which can be pressed into the original VW wishbones. Use only the rear wishbone bush as the TT front does not fit golf \ Bora wishbones
* Audi TT Rear bush - 8N0 407 181B x 2
* Golf Front Bush - 357 407 182 x 2
8N0 407 181B x 2 then?
I thought that was referrinf to the bushes at the rear of the car :)
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Install up rated bushes that are of solid rubber construction like the ones from the Audi TT which can be pressed into the original VW wishbones. Use only the rear wishbone bush as the TT front does not fit golf \ Bora wishbones
* Audi TT Rear bush - 8N0 407 181B x 2
* Golf Front Bush - 357 407 182 x 2
8N0 407 181B x 2 then?
I thought that was referrinf to the bushes at the rear of the car :)
refers to the bush at the rear of the wishbone :afro:
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I'll be dropping by the Audi garage the week after next! :)
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Here's a copy of the sale invoice.
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if i'm reading that correctly (not complately ofae with VW speak) but i'm thinking they are now on about the track rod ends?
£10 per side!!! not sure how much the actual arms are but if they are on about the track rod ends than thats fooking scandalous!!! :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
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Wonder if anyone knows for sure. I checked the bushes earlier and they look pretty good!
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Wonder if anyone knows for sure. I checked the bushes earlier and they look pretty good!
prob have play in them tho :undecided:
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Wonder if anyone knows for sure. I checked the bushes earlier and they look pretty good!
prob have play in them tho :undecided:
on a car with only 29K on the clock?? :undecided: mind you given the state of the dog bone mount what did the previous do to the poor car? :huh:
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if i'm reading that correctly (not complately ofae with VW speak) but i'm thinking they are now on about the track rod ends?
I think I definitely need a second opinion. I'll probably take my car to Awesome to get the front discs done. If I'm paying for an hour I'll get them to have a quick look and give me a quote :)
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if i'm reading that correctly (not complately ofae with VW speak) but i'm thinking they are now on about the track rod ends?
I think I definitely need a second opinion. I'll probably take my car to Awesome to get the front discs done. If I'm paying for an hour I'll get them to have a quick look and give me a quote :)
Good idea bob :wink:
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Wonder if anyone knows for sure. I checked the bushes earlier and they look pretty good!
prob have play in them tho :undecided:
on a car with only 29K on the clock?? :undecided: mind you given the state of the dog bone mount what did the previous do to the poor car? :huh:
Yeah true :undecided: Ha, how was that dogbone worse than mine with 100k less on the clock?? :undecided:
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Wonder if anyone knows for sure. I checked the bushes earlier and they look pretty good!
prob have play in them tho :undecided:
on a car with only 29K on the clock?? :undecided: mind you given the state of the dog bone mount what did the previous do to the poor car? :huh:
Yeah true :undecided: Ha, how was that dogbone worse than mine with 100k less on the clock?? :undecided:
looked like it had been melted!! :shocked:
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Looking through the old service documents. for YEARS there's been play on the NSF wheel bearing, and the guys never had it fixed.
New brake servo and brake cylinder in 2005. Cambelt and tensioner replaced ob 10/07/07, not the water pump though.
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Ok, whilst the car was with Awesome, I got them to take a look at the wishbones etc etc. Their professional opinion was that they were "f**ked".
The wishbones and bushes are totally worn, which as a result has ruined my anti roll bar and associated bushes.
£274.48 to replace the wishbones and bushes
£474.23 to replace the wishbones, bushes and anti roll bar.
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Ouch!
Nick
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I've no idea how this wasn't picked up at the last MOT, which was carried out by the garage I bought the car from. I'm thinking they didn't do a real MOT, just put it through as a pass so I'd buy the car.
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I've no idea how this wasn't picked up at the last MOT, which was carried out by the garage I bought the car from. I'm thinking they didn't do a real MOT, just put it through as a pass so I'd buy the car.
were they not even advisories?? :undecided:
are those prices for upgraded bits or just standard bits?
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The MOT had no advisores, but the year before there were a few, not wishbones related. Which is why I think the garage got a dud MOT done.
Those prices are for standard parts I think, I didn't actually ask.
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I think I could save money buying the parts myself?
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I think I could save money buying the parts myself?
yep for sure :smiley:
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Gonna need some help sourcing and pricing it all up :wink:
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Gonna need some help sourcing and pricing it all up :wink:
couple of ways
1. Go to Yell.com and type in motor factors for your post code - and ring round them
2. Go to stealers and see what price they may charge you
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What upgraded parts could I get?
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Whatya think of this anti roll bar? :)
http://www.venommotorsport.com/product_details.php?id=5044&manufacturer=Eibach&category=Suspension
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What upgraded parts could I get?
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/p/167165/1383258.aspx#1383258
and for anti-roll bars there is a GB going on here
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/p/207246/1408916.aspx#1408916
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Cheers Rhys, I'll see if I can still get in on their GB action, they're wrapping it up by the looks.
I spoke to the guy at Awesome, it's just the front bushes that need replacing, then the anti roll bar and all associated parts. The parts aren't that expensive, it's the 4 hours labour that's the killer :)
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Cheers Rhys, I'll see if I can still get in on their GB action, they're wrapping it up by the looks. As for the wishbones, looks like I need them completely replacing.
might be best to speak to the guy at DPM direct rather than posting and waiting to see :smiley:
would be best to get complete new wishbones as it will be quicker to replace the whole wishbone rather than getting new bushes pressed in :smiley:
what concerns me mate is the amount of bushes that have gone on such a low mileage car :sad:
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It's 9 years old though, you saw the picture of my mount, the rubber has just perished. I get the impression rubber isn't meant to last that long, 9 years I guess was pretty good going.
Awesome reckoned I was best replacing the front bushes with Powerflex ones.
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Awesome reckoned I was best replacing the front bushes with Powerflex ones.
they would as they then charge you for pressing the Powerflex ones into the wishbones :rolleyes:
i think Powerflex is overkill; when i change mine i'll be going for the Audi TT bushes as per the link i posted - i like my teeth!!
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Maybe I'll just replace the wishbones with new ones from VW then, saves on labour just doing the straight swap. Then get them to add the uprated Eibach ARB I'm hoping to obtain :)
Take it you can't use Audi TT wishbones then? :P
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Maybe I'll just replace the wishbones with new ones from VW then, saves on labour just doing the straight swap. Then get them to add the uprated Eibach ARB I'm hoping to obtain :)
Take it you can't use Audi TT wishbones then? :P
yeah that will be the quickest and cheapest way to sorting you out :smiley:
don't think so mate - just the bushes
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Ahh the trials of owning a car!! Reckon I'll have spent near £2000 on her by the end of the year!!
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Ahh the trials of owning a car!! Reckon I'll have spent near £2000 on her by the end of the year!!
still a long way to go to catch me!!
spent £2800 on mods alone! then there's servicing and fuel on top........
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£2000 will be on mods and things that have broken. Don't have much to show for it!!
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Ordered the Eibach front ARB today :)