I'm not really a 'hard core tuner' however I'll offer you my thoughts -
The ED30 will never match the BMW, whatever you spend or however you look at it.
What it boils down to is do you like the urgency of the FWD ED30 or would you prefer to more sedate feeling RWD luxury Beemer?
Do you want to drive and insure a modded car or would you prefer a better car out of the box?
Seems to me you've made up your mind already.
Btw, the Ed30 suspension is not 15mm lower than the GTI - Don't believe everything you read in sales brochures.
What it boils down to is do you like the urgency of the FWD ED30 or would you prefer to more sedate feeling RWD luxury Beemer?
Im 22 and think the ED30 suits me over the 335 anyday as I tend to see more mature people driving them. Hope that doesnt insult anyone :grin:
I was meaning the way that a 300hp FWD drive car will 'feel' when compared to a RWD Beemer, the FWD car will feel more frantic even if it is slower, the Beemer will just do it and probably sound better at the same time.
What it boils down to is do you like the urgency of the FWD ED30 or would you prefer to more sedate feeling RWD luxury Beemer?
YOu mean there is no urgency in stock 335i, not to mention souped up one? :huh: 400Nm 1400-5500 and 5sek to 60 is pretty urgent, wouldn't you agree? :lipsrsealed:
I would go with the 335i coupe! It look the shizzel and goes like it too... just a bonus that it can be remapped to give great gains. If I could get one... there would be one on my drive right now :grin:
I would then have to buy a MK1/2 just to stay in the VW club :evil:
I'm not really a 'hard core tuner'
The ED30 will never match the BMW, whatever you spend or however you look at it.
What it boils down to is do you like the urgency of the FWD ED30 or would you prefer to more sedate feeling RWD luxury Beemer?
Do you want to drive and insure a modded car or would you prefer a better car out of the box?
i think modding is a very personal thing and its about making your car your own :smiley:. i know guys with over 100k in modding cars and its all done for the love of making a car a little better :tongue:
I was meaning the way that a 300hp FWD drive car will 'feel' when compared to a RWD Beemer, the FWD car will feel more frantic even if it is slower, the Beemer will just do it and probably sound better at the same time.
What it boils down to is do you like the urgency of the FWD ED30 or would you prefer to more sedate feeling RWD luxury Beemer?
YOu mean there is no urgency in stock 335i, not to mention souped up one? :huh: 400Nm 1400-5500 and 5sek to 60 is pretty urgent, wouldn't you agree? :lipsrsealed:
Btw, the Ed30 suspension is not 15mm lower than the GTI - Don't believe everything you read in sales brochures.
I wrote "Golf", RedRobin, simple plain Golf, not GTI. GTI/E30 has 15mm lower suspension than Golf.
i looked at getting an m3 before i got my ed30 but bmw s are every where and they all look pretty much the same now, as some one said driving the ed 30 makes you part of a club , and my ed30 will turn more heads than any bm on the road :cool:
i looked at getting an m3 before i got my ed30 but bmw s are every where and they all look pretty much the same now, as some one said driving the ed 30 makes you part of a club , and my ed30 will turn more heads than any bm on the road :cool:
i think modding is a very personal thing and its about making your car your own :smiley:. i know guys with over 100k in modding cars and its all done for the love of making a car a little better :tongue:
....Like an 03 plate Audi RS6 Avant which cost about £50k and then had about £40k spent on full Sportec everything and so cost the owner £90k but is now for sale at £30k with 75,000 miles on the clock. Totally superb car which gave the owner huge joy. The latest RS6 Avant is on order.
Ive got a high performance car for a fraction of the price of a high performance car. Insurace, tax, petrol and buying cost wise. Tailored to my needs. What other cars of this power can acheive upto 45mpg. :smiley:
i was going to swap my ed30 for a bmw m3 convertable a few months ago and i must say i was not happy with it having to drop the thing into 4th to get anything out of it :huh:. i think as i had been after one for a while i must have over hyped it in my head so was not impressed with the power it needs a charger :evil:. I do like the new 335i but not at the price they are now :sick: my money would go on the audi s5
People will mod anything...cars, computers, torches, pens....They want to improve it a bit but they still love the car for what it is.
I still do not see why you would buy a 335 over a Cayman S
tuning is a bit strange some times imhoI'm pretty sure a 320bhp ED30 would give a Cayman S allsorts of trouble acceleration wise. Judging by how they fair against Carrera S'.. Of course the Cayman will come past eventually due to it's CC's and better aerodynamics, but the speed in which it would eventually go past would need to be done on a very long runway and wouldn't fancy trying it on the road.. :shocked: (ie 150+)
spend 24k on a golf then another 6k on mods
and for that you could buy a 2 year old low miles 300BHp Porsche Cayman S which will do more MPg, will do 172 Mph, 12 seconds to 100Mph will hold more Value and looks better.
its a strange world.
and no matter if a golf has 320Bhp its not going to drive past a Cayman S in a straight or the corners.
a turbo is no match for a 171 Mph Car and Cubic Inches always wins.
tuning is a bit strange some times imho
spend 24k on a golf then another 6k on mods
and for that you could buy a 2 year old low miles 300BHp Porsche Cayman S which will do more MPg, will do 172 Mph, 12 seconds to 100Mph will hold more Value and looks better.
its a strange world.
and no matter if a golf has 320Bhp its not going to drive past a Cayman S in a straight or the corners.
a turbo is no match for a 171 Mph Car and Cubic Inches always wins.
To be fair, you can make an Ed30 have 320bhp with £1k, which is not far off how much it would cost to remap the heavier 335i.
Nice to see you back Peskarik :wink:.
Can't say there is anything wrong with a 335i, very nice motors indeed. I myself would probably go with the 135i instead though, but that's just me..
AFAIK the 135i/335i engine has still not been remapped by anybody and the tuning upgrades come from a piggyback chip.. (this may have changed in the last few months of course). But even with the piggyback chip, I don't think the 335i would be leaving a modded (320bhp) Ed30 in the distance mate. Not until very high speeds anyway.. It may have 40bhp more, but also has 1/4 tonne more pies to carry around.. :wink:. But as for the whole package, then it's in a different class of course. But that's reflected in it's price.. :wink:
God luck with it though mate and make sure you let us know which way you go..
tuning is a bit strange some times imhoI'm pretty sure a 320bhp ED30 would give a Cayman S allsorts of trouble acceleration wise. Judging by how they fair against Carrera S'.. Of course the Cayman will come past eventually due to it's CC's and better aerodynamics, but the speed in which it would eventually go past would need to be done on a very long runway and wouldn't fancy trying it on the road.. :shocked: (ie 150+)
spend 24k on a golf then another 6k on mods
and for that you could buy a 2 year old low miles 300BHp Porsche Cayman S which will do more MPg, will do 172 Mph, 12 seconds to 100Mph will hold more Value and looks better.
its a strange world.
and no matter if a golf has 320Bhp its not going to drive past a Cayman S in a straight or the corners.
a turbo is no match for a 171 Mph Car and Cubic Inches always wins.
Wouldn't fancy my chances against one round a track though.. :grin:
Seems a bit weird to compare a £20k hatch with a car that easily costs 50% more even 2nd hand. Also seems weird to say you would remap it when you think tuning is a waste of time and money.
Anyway, I would love a 335i. However emissions on them are not great and I think the residuals will take a hit as a result just as every non-green car is.
To be fair, you can make an Ed30 have 320bhp with £1k, which is not far off how much it would cost to remap the heavier 335i.
Like Ben, I would have the 135i before the 335i.
Regarding the Cayman S, in a straight line, I would not say that there would be a significant difference between a Cayman S and an Ed30.
Guess it depends how much you want to sink in to a daily runner. Personally, I will probably get an A4 TDi next time and a toy along the lines of an Escort Cosworth or similar.
Nice to see you back Peskarik :wink:.
Can't say there is anything wrong with a 335i, very nice motors indeed. I myself would probably go with the 135i instead though, but that's just me..
AFAIK the 135i/335i engine has still not been remapped by anybody and the tuning upgrades come from a piggyback chip.. (this may have changed in the last few months of course). But even with the piggyback chip, I don't think the 335i would be leaving a modded (320bhp) Ed30 in the distance mate. Not until very high speeds anyway.. It may have 40bhp more, but also has 1/4 tonne more pies to carry around.. :wink:. But as for the whole package, then it's in a different class of course. But that's reflected in it's price.. :wink:
God luck with it though mate and make sure you let us know which way you go..
I think 335i, even stock, would get at least first mover advantage on tuned E30 (320hp), it does 5.5 to 60. Tuned to 500Nm it would consistently distance itself from E30 on every surface, on some more than on others. It weighs 1600kg and GTI weighs 1400-something kg. Less than 200kg difference.
£33k for that(335i) :grin: trophy car :sick:
I am not understanding this thread.
To be fair, you can make an Ed30 have 320bhp with £1k, which is not far off how much it would cost to remap the heavier 335i.
....But don't you think that just remapping a car does very little to make it into a well handling, safe but fun car?
To be fair, you can make an Ed30 have 320bhp with £1k, which is not far off how much it would cost to remap the heavier 335i.
....But don't you think that just remapping a car does very little to make it into a well handling, safe but fun car?
I know this is something you are quite passionate about mate, but at the end of the day, day to day, the standard suspension is going to be fine driving at nornal speeds whether the car has 230bhp or 320bhp. Just because you give the car another 90bhp does not automatically turn it in to a poor handling, unsafe car which is no fun.
For sure, I agree suspension etc should be modified with a power gain to suit, but it really isn't going to make a jot of difference for a 320bhp Ed30 in a straight line sprint against the likes of a Cayman S.
Even with the suspension all sorted on a tuned Ed30, I would still put money on a standard Cayman on anything other than a striaght against a 320bhp Ed30.
@ Pesarik - You are not comparing apples with apples by way of comparing a 2000cc 4 cyl turbo hatch with a 3 litre 6 cyl twin turbo rear drive coupe with a 50% power advantage as standard.
However, if you want real power control and handling for similar money to a 335i commands, how about an Evo X 360 which would muller a 335i 99 times out of 100?
GTI weighs 1336kgs mate, Edition 30 1350kgs (i've been told)..
Sorry, but a standard 335i would not distance itself at all from a 320bhp ED30.. Mine managed 5.06 0-60 and around 11 secs 0-100mph. (335i 12.8 and that's with added advantage of RWD traction).. I'm sure a tuned one would be quicker at high speeds than the Ed30, but certainly wouldn't leave it IMO..
£33k for that(335i) :grin: trophy car :sick:
I am not understanding this thread.
DMS will be able to map the 335i in the next few weeks so ive heard,
Why not go the whole way :wink: just look at the prices now -
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/675099.htm
However, if you want real power control and handling for similar money to a 335i commands, how about an Evo X 360 which would muller a 335i 99 times out of 100?
Yes mate used the launch control. Only used it four times altogether though and I can't see how it would do anymore harm than it would to launch a manual car...Quote from: Vtec Abuser link=topic=89834.msg741985#msg741985
GTI weighs 1336kgs mate, Edition 30 1350kgs (i've been told)..
Sorry, but a standard 335i would not distance itself at all from a 320bhp ED30.. Mine managed 5.06 0-60 and around 11 secs 0-100mph. (335i 12.8 and that's with added advantage of RWD traction).. I'm sure a tuned one would be quicker at high speeds than the Ed30, but certainly wouldn't leave it IMO..
5.06 :shocked:
with Launch Control, right?
Isn't launch control start a bit bad for your car?
Just buy the stupid thing and stop moaning about how disatisfied you are.
Just buy the stupid thing and stop moaning about how disatisfied you are.
chill
Who needs an engine when you have a bee under your bonnet!! :drool: :drool:
Who needs an engine when you have a bee under your bonnet!! :drool: :drool:
....^ :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: ^
What's its 0-62 time?
Not sure about the car but what is going on with that steering wheel??? That looks like it has some kind of led display on there... ???
Not sure about the car but what is going on with that steering wheel??? That looks like it has some kind of led display on there... ???
....Gear and additional revs display?
Ultimate driving machine?
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Interesting thread! Thought id add my input,
Having worked at BMW and experienced a number of their cars first hand, I do have a special place and deep seated appreciation for them. Before placing my order for my Pirelli I considered a 123d sport hatch and a 123d coupe. However the price came to more than I was in a position to afford, however nice a car they are. I think in terms of bang for your bucks you can't really beat the GTI and I can't wait to get my hands on it. In my view I wouldn't want to buy a BMW on a budget as I have very set views on what spec I would have (M-sport, wheels, options), scraping to get a half hearted model IMO is almost waisted money, so I would rather wait till a couple of years until im really in a position to buy a car such as a 335. A car like that would prob also suit a more mature driver in any case and I think being 22 I would look a bit of a pretentious t*t if i was cruising in one at this time of life. I think one needs to have the joy of a hot hatch at some point in their life, but ultimately for me, the 335i/d coupe body shape is second to none, the engines like the GTI are v impressive, the quality is impeccable and the desirability is there too.
Im sure for those people who like to mod their cars then heaven knows how rapid it would be, as in stock form, im pretty sure iv done a little wee under full acceleration as it is! haha :evil: Plus those autovogue conversions are down right ludicrously good looking and it'd almost be rude not to get one!?
All in all both are quality cars, but both are completely different and I guess it depends what kind of thrill you're after?
One for RR.
Even gorgeous young women drive them :shocked:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58AKTQFsoOc&feature=related
I don't get why people get 335D. :undecided: If you wanna have a nice fast 6cyl coupe, at least get one that sounds nice and can turn more than 4000rpm. So it packs a mighty punch, but so does a diesel truck. :lipsrsealed: 600Nm..poor rear tyres. :cry:
RS4 looks mighty nice! Masculine, purposeful. But it is very expensive, even second hand, and it is pretty thursty.
Anyway Peskerik another pic to sway you!!!HA. :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Well,here here ! thats a better piece of kit than any thing bmw produce , nice car mate :wink:
All i can say is"BMW my arse" get proper car like what mine is!!!!!! :grin:
A quality VAG product!!! :wink:
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here here ! thats a better piece of kit than any thing bmw produce , nice car mate :wink:
here here ! thats a better piece of kit than any thing bmw produce , nice car mate :wink:
here here ! thats a better piece of kit than any thing bmw produce , nice car mate :wink:
I disagree.
RS4 is the ONLY decent driver's car AUDI has ever produced, unlike BMW.
I can't see that pic RR :sad:
Are you really trying to say that the R8 is not a drivers car?
Come on Peskarik, that statement was just a bit of a rush of blood to the head wasn't it :grin:
I disagree.
RS4 is the ONLY decent driver's car AUDI has ever produced, unlike BMW.
....Pesky vs FatCat - Round One! :evil: :laugh:
MKII Audi TT - debateable, but easily surpasses any little car that BMW have tried to make = 5
Which one would be more exciting for you, a muscular guy walking straight down the road scaring people, or a sexy woman walking shaking her hips? :wink:
Which one would be more exciting for you, a muscular guy walking straight down the road scaring people, or a sexy woman walking shaking her hips? :wink:
....No contest! An arse wiggle can't be beat! Trumps! :afro:
Call me what you will, but I would have a BMW over an Audi any day of the week, any time of the day!
Call me what you will, but I would have a BMW over an Audi any day of the week, any time of the day!
:nerd: me too, unless I go into the mountains for skiing, then QUATTRO is unbeatable (forget the x-drive)
Call me what you will, but I would have a BMW over an Audi any day of the week, any time of the day!
:nerd: me too, unless I go into the mountains for skiing, then QUATTRO is unbeatable (forget the x-drive)
haha good lad! I will have to take your word for it about the Quattro, im guessing Audi must be good at it since they've been using it for years but since I couldn't really live further from a mountain if i tried, i'd be happy with rear wheel drive! (If i had a BMW that is!)
Call me what you will, but I would have a BMW over an Audi any day of the week, any time of the day!
:nerd: me too, unless I go into the mountains for skiing, then QUATTRO is unbeatable (forget the x-drive)
haha good lad! I will have to take your word for it about the Quattro, im guessing Audi must be good at it since they've been using it for years but since I couldn't really live further from a mountain if i tried, i'd be happy with rear wheel drive! (If i had a BMW that is!)
you know, if push came to shove, I'd take the Bimmer. Skiing? Who needs it?! :evil:
MKII Audi TT - debateable, but easily surpasses any little car that BMW have tried to make = 5
I disagree, there is 135i.
MKII Audi TT - debateable, but easily surpasses any little car that BMW have tried to make = 5
I disagree, there is 135i.
Bugg3r!..forgot about that one :grin:
I don't deny that BMW have made some great cars and that Audi is generally still playing catch up, I just thought that your post saying Audi only ever made one good car was a bit of a rash statement :smiley:
RWD is more fun, but then again in the wet it is more of a handful, and in the UK those wide wheels really do mean tippie toeing around corners. One guy I know loves his BMW's (and he's had quite a few inc M3, 335i and 335d), but even he has a 4x4 waiting in the wings for when it is cold, wet and damp. :shocked:
Let me throw a spanner into the worxs....
IF you wanna talk about a drivers car then we must throw the new Jaguar XF and Jaguar XKR into the picture.
Slightly more expensive but a rival to any M5 or M3. I say this because I did a photoshoot with them and those cars are amazing.
Mike
Let me throw a spanner into the worxs....
IF you wanna talk about a drivers car then we must throw the new Jaguar XF and Jaguar XKR into the picture.
Slightly more expensive but a rival to any M5 or M3. I say this because I did a photoshoot with them and those cars are amazing.
Mike
What are your thoughts!??
They are actually quite different cars.
Joe your mums m3 is awesome. If i bought an m3 it would be exactly like that :wink:.
Which porsche is that in the background?
Joe your mums m3 is awesome. If i bought an m3 it would be exactly like that :wink:.Ditto and would much rather have the new M3 over the RS4. Like the RS4, but the new M3 just grows and grows on me the more I see it. Quicker too.. :wink:
Which porsche is that in the background?