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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: SO8 on 19 August 2008, 14:17
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I know some people here have Bluefin on their Edition 30's ..... and 99% seem more than happy.
Has anyone rolling roaded their car before / after - and what were the results ?
I know what Superchips quote power wise but I am after people who have actually bought it.
I have seen numerous Revo examples which show that to be very good - but I am after something I can reflash to totally standard as opposed to Revo's encrypted 'standard' still sitting side by side with their performance map on the ECU.
I fancy being able to reflash the ECU as the car is new. If it was outside warranty I would almost certainly go for the Revo with it set to give different power outputs to go with my changes of mood :evil:
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Mine is being RR'd at the RR day in October.
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use the search function, theres sooooooooooo much info on re-maps, its just boring now, try the GIAC hammer map, it has 3 switchable maps (stock, sport, HAMMER) :smiley:
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use the search function, theres sooooooooooo much info on re-maps, its just boring now, try the GIAC hammer map, it has 3 switchable maps (stock, sport, HAMMER) :smiley:
.... I did use the search function ..... and yes, there is loads on remaps ..... just not the info I was after ..... thus this thread :smiley:
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Mine is being RR'd at the RR day in October.
And.... Come on man, spill the beans.. :grin:
To be fair I can't get on with the search engine on here.. Not a patch on other ones IMO.. :sad:
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I know some people here have Bluefin on their Edition 30's ..... and 99% seem more than happy.
I'm sure many people by now know of my opinion of SuperChips - just to clarify - I think they are shockingly shyte. And if you go over to Audi-Sport.net, and ask the current S3 owners, they will agree.
And too back up my learned opinion of them, did anyone see Fifth Gear - where SuperChips were specifically asked to provide a map for a VW Polo, for the sole purpose of improving the fuel economy. Dispite the fact that SuperChips should have given it their very best efforts, knowing there would be a large TV audience, they completely FAILED. W@nkers!
Has anyone rolling roaded their car before / after - and what were the results ?
I know what Superchips quote power wise but I am after people who have actually bought it.
Yup, S3 owners on Audi-Sport.net - and the rolling road proved zero gain from the Bluefin!
I have seen numerous Revo examples which show that to be very good - but I am after something I can reflash to totally standard as opposed to Revo's encrypted 'standard' still sitting side by side with their performance map on the ECU.
A couple of crucial points. Revo are seen as the best option - as they only remap VAG and Porsche cars, and that is where their speciality lies, and they do excel in what they do.
If you go for a SuperChips option, not only do they LIE in their advertising, they also have no dedicated specialty towards VAG cars. One day they might be attempting to develop a new map for an Edition 30, and the following day, they might be woring on a Kia Pride, or a Lada Riva. I know who I'd trust and recommend!
Onto the nitty-gritty. With the Bluefin, the software physically reflashes your ECU every time you choose to alter or swap maps. So, yes, you can revert to standard OEM map, but the stealer will know, because, every time you reflash with Bluefin, the engine ECU stores and logs a "count" of the ECU reflashes. When you take it into the stealer, whenever they connect their VAS505* electronic equipment, it can communicte with the "master" database in Wolfsburg, and if there are ANY discrepancies (unexpected, or undisclosed to your dealer) in flash count from your own ECU to those stored on the master database - then bye-bye warranty.
OK, the Revo still reflashes the ECU - but just once. From what I gather, Revo embed both the OEM map and their own custom map on the ecu for their "switchable" versions. Secondly, because Revo have been going for years, and have a considerably high reputation, if the VW or Audi stealer (and Seat and Å koda also) found that you had a Revo, the vast majority know of the high standard of Revo maps, and it would be extremely unlikely that a Revo map would affect the warranty. Obviously, the best approach is to be open and upfront with the stealers, and actually let them know you have a Revo map.
As a final comment on SuperChips - this chap, Clive Atthowe of http://www.enginetuning.net has years of dedicated, award winning experience of tuning engines, and has a superb reputation. He used to be a SuperChips, and a Revo agent - but kicked SuperChips out some time ago, because of their crap products, and poor technical development. Another interesting link: http://www.enginetuning.net/New_Revo_software_TSI_AND_TFSI_VAG_.html
I fancy being able to reflash the ECU as the car is new. If it was outside warranty I would almost certainly go for the Revo with it set to give different power outputs to go with my changes of mood :evil:
Technically, there is NO remap that can be made "invisible" - they can all be detected by the stealer (not the actual content of the map, simply the amount of times the ECU has been reflashed) - so if your new car warranty is a concern to you - then definately do NOT consider Bluefin. Speak to your dealer, and ask if they are OK with Revo remaps!
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use the search function, theres sooooooooooo much info on re-maps, its just boring now, try the GIAC hammer map, it has 3 switchable maps (stock, sport, HAMMER) :smiley:
But the GIAC map disables the "stratified" or lean burn mode of the standard map - which can mean larger fuel bills and more engine wear!
And yes, I do know that "Stanton" from GIAC did try and claim they do use lean burn mode, but to be utterly frank, he just kept digging a larger hole for himself. Sadly, this was lost in the forum <cough> downtime <cough>.
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I know some people here have Bluefin on their Edition 30's ..... and 99% seem more than happy.
Has anyone rolling roaded their car before / after - and what were the results ?
I know what Superchips quote power wise but I am after people who have actually bought it.
I have seen numerous Revo examples which show that to be very good - but I am after something I can reflash to totally standard as opposed to Revo's encrypted 'standard' still sitting side by side with their performance map on the ECU.
I fancy being able to reflash the ECU as the car is new. If it was outside warranty I would almost certainly go for the Revo with it set to give different power outputs to go with my changes of mood :evil:
im happy with mine, doesnt really bother me what the RR results are like, its on the road im worried about and it goes just fine imo :smiley: , TBH if Revo had made there prices cheaper when i was buying ( £700 + for revo apposed to £450 for Bluefin) i would have got the Revo, but as i say i dont see a problem with the Bluefin on the ed30
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I am happy with mine.
I would have removed it if i wasn't :rolleyes:
I am 100% convinced there is real world improvement having had a side by side with a standard Ed30 DSG (1 up) against my Manual Ed30 with Bluefin (2up) and the difference was clear as day. Thats enough for me.
TBH TT, your post just comes across as a rant. Founded or unfounded I don't know, I can't tell.
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Dear All,
I'm 99.999999% sure that the Bluefin resets the flash counter on the ECU, for this reason, it is the only chip I would consider in light of not compromising the 3 year Volkswagen warranty. I too would like to see actual rolling road results for ED30's running bluefin to see what the "actual" gains are, on the same hand, having been a previous operator of rolling roads, am also sceptical of some power outputs I see quoted in all aspects of motoring media. I have in the past seen great varience in outputs produced by different rolling roads. I must add, I do actually agree with Teutonic Tamer in so far as REVO is actually a VAG only specialist, and I also agree with the dubious idea of them knocking out remapped ECU's for vehicles such as the quoted Kia Pride, therefore triggering in my mind the fact that they cannot possibly spend enough R & D time on a specific powerplant.
Having said all of this, I would be very appreciative of anyone who can produce a before and after power / torque plot for a pre and post bluefin installation.
Regards,
Gareth
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On the S3, the reason there was very little gain (4-5bhp) was because the S3 is mapped to a higher output than the ED30 in the first place. So the Ed30 will gain from the Bluefin map, just not as much as Revo map..
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http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/p/118268/801784.aspx#801784
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I liked that link mate makes me feel even more happier about getting a bluefin y :grin: been very pleased with mine. Took it to the stealers the other day so took it of before hand before was checked for faulty fan noise, did the full vagcom check they say they have to before warranty repair , both fans repaired under warranty, happy days
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having had a side by side with a standard Ed30 DSG (1 up) against my Manual Ed30 with Bluefin (2up) and the difference was clear as day. Thats enough for me.
and me being on the receiving end of that "side by side" i can yes it did gradually pull away :sad: .But only at high speeds i will add. I dont have too many traction issues recently do i :sad: :wink:
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having had a side by side with a standard Ed30 DSG (1 up) against my Manual Ed30 with Bluefin (2up) and the difference was clear as day. Thats enough for me.
and me being on the receiving end of that "side by side" i can yes it did gradually pull away :sad: .But only at high speeds i will add. I dont have too many traction issues recently do i :sad: :wink:
Phil, That'll be because with a Bluefin were only at High speeds when the loud pedal is pressed :grin: :wink:
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We'll find a quiet piece of industrial estate onthe 4th Oct Phil...
be interesting...
Manual Bluefin vs a standard DSG from a standing start.
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Mine is being RR'd at the RR day in October.
Looking forward to seeing your results! It might put to bed this rubbish that the bluefin gives no gains!! :smiley:
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Mine is being RR'd at the RR day in October.
Looking forward to seeing your results! It might put to bed this rubbish that the bluefin gives no gains!! :smiley:
Me too! :wink:
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Mine is being RR'd at the RR day in October.
Looking forward to seeing your results! It might put to bed this rubbish that the bluefin gives no gains!! :smiley:
Me too! :wink:
Is yours remapped Greenouse? By the way, I suprised I ain't seen you roaming up and down the A38 at some point as I'm only in Lichfield. :smiley:
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Sure is Russ, and I foooookin love it!!! The Miltek now seems at one with the engine, brilliant!!
Don't tend to venture to far to be honest, only work and back (by the NEC) apart from the odd show here and there! :wink:
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Is yours remapped Greenouse? By the way, I suprised I ain't seen you roaming up and down the A38 at some point as I'm only in Lichfield. :smiley:
If you are only in Lichfield im surprised not to have seen you Russ, I commute to Cannock every week, usually on a wednesday. I come off the M42 at the Belfry and go up the A38 then across the A5.
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^^^ Now there's a man that can vouch for the power of a Bluefin'd ED30!! :smug:
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^^^ Now there's a man that can vouch for the power of a Bluefin'd ED30!! :smug:
Pah, what a load of crap! Bluefin poofin! Im not jealous .........much! :sick:
Seriously, if you want what feels like a rocket ship you will not be disappointed by investing in a Bluefin, I was absolutely amazed at how well Greenouse's car pulled it was awesome! :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
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Update ! I've just posted brief comments in the 'sticky' remaps section but .... had the Ed 30 to Superchips today really pleased ! My car was 229 bhp as standard, now 295 bhp :evil: Drives very nicely indeed :smiley:
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Do you know if it's the Stage 2 map? :huh:
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Do you know if it's the Stage 2 map? :huh:
No, I doubt it - the car is otherwise standard. They did say before I got it done that a Milltek and uprated fuel pump would lead towards 330bhp .... which I presume is their 'other' map.
The graph produced is slightly different to the one they show on their website and gave more low down difference in performance to smooth out when the turbo first begins to boost up - I think they have probably just updated what they had as opposed to given me what I presume you have .... if that makes sense ? :smiley:
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Im sure they would have updated after developing the Stage 2 map. Mine has Milltek TB and made 324bhp on a recent Dyno Dynamics RR day so I doubt you'd need the Fuel pump to see 330 on Superchips rollers :afro: