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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Hilton_K on 17 August 2008, 05:28
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Hello,
Has anyone put a turbo blanket or beenie onto there GTI (Either K03 or K04)?
If so was it a generic blanket cut down to size or a specific K03/K04 product? Where was it purchased.
Also what are people's thoughts on doing this....???...(aiming to lower the heat being transfered into the intake and also help spool time)
Cheers..
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I don't know if anyone has, but there are two people on another Golf forum I visit that have carbon fibre bonnets with a vent just above where the turbo is. Apparently it cools the turbo a bit while driving, though I'm not sure how noticeable the effect is.
EDIT: whoops that's on THIS fourm :grin:
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I don't know if anyone has, but there are two people on another Golf forum I visit that have carbon fibre bonnets with a vent just above where the turbo is. Apparently it cools the turbo a bit while driving, though I'm not sure how noticeable the effect is.
EDIT: whoops that's on THIS forum :grin:
....I'm one of them and it's not been scientifically proved to be of direct benefit but it will contribute to extracting hot air generally in the engine bay and will probably help draw air flow in from the front grills - I'm sure that T_T wiil chip in if he disagrees.
Wouldn't a 'turbo blanket' add to the temperature by keeping the heat in? And wouldn't there be a risk of it catching fire subject to materials?
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/RED_vent1.jpg)
A good friend of mine has the same : -
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/JasonsCFbonnet.jpg)
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Ah...now I know how to get that nasty stone chip in the middle of my bonnet sorted... :laugh:
Any excuse to mod up ...so it will cost me £250 to get it painted...or ....errr (quick search)....no wait :shocked:...gulp...back to the paint idea for now.... :smiley:
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Any excuse to mod up ...so it will cost me £250 to get it painted...or ....errr (quick search)....no wait :shocked:...gulp...back to the paint idea for now.... :smiley:
....The OSIR carbonfibre bonnet isn't cheap - Nothing CF ever is unless it's rubbish - But the double skin version is superb quality as commented by a friend of mine who fabricates CF and has done courses. It's not a mod which has a high bang-for-yer-buck return, but. It's only available via TTSroadsport 01234 855 555 (Justin) and not direct.
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excuse my ignorance RR, do you paint CF? does it come in various colours? (blush)...
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excuse my ignorance RR, do you paint CF? does it come in various colours? (blush)...
easily painted :wink:
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excuse my ignorance RR, do you paint CF? does it come in various colours? (blush)...
....As Joe says, it's easily painted (if done by a good bodyshop).
Mine is only painted on outer side : -
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/Amanda_cleaning.jpg)
^You can see the vent - I reckon it's a bit forward of the turbo but heat rises and you can feel the difference with your hand.
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excuse my ignorance RR, do you paint CF? does it come in various colours? (blush)...
....As Joe says, it's easily painted (if done by a good bodyshop).
Mine is only painted on outer side : -
^You can see the vent - I reckon it's a bit forward of the turbo but heat rises and you can feel the difference with your hand.
forgot abot that one robin :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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^You can see the vent - I reckon it's a bit forward of the turbo but heat rises and you can feel the difference with your hand.
forgot about that one robin :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
....Talking of which, I keep playing this vid - It cracks me up every time - A classic! >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlaiCfKKaAE&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlaiCfKKaAE&feature=related)
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Hello,
Has anyone put a turbo blanket or beenie onto there GTI (Either K03 or K04)?
If so was it a generic blanket cut down to size or a specific K03/K04 product? Where was it purchased.
Also what are people's thoughts on doing this....???...(aiming to lower the heat being transfered into the intake and also help spool time)
Cheers..
I think you're misunderstanding what a turbo blanket is actually for... you should be looking at more efficient intercoolers instead.
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Hello,
Has anyone put a turbo blanket or beenie onto there GTI (Either K03 or K04)?
If so was it a generic blanket cut down to size or a specific K03/K04 product? Where was it purchased.
Also what are people's thoughts on doing this....???...(aiming to lower the heat being transfered into the intake and also help spool time)
Cheers..
I think you're misunderstanding what a turbo blanket is actually for... you should be looking at more efficient intercoolers instead.
....The Audi S3 intercooler drops into the Mk5 GTI very easily, whereas the APR one is a tricky fit and also very expensive. The stock oem intercooler on the Mk5 GTI/Ed30 is actually well thought of by independent experts - Far more efficient than on the Mk4 apparently and not really needing replacing unless you're in Florida or Arizona or do lots of trackdays - You in the hot part of Oz? You're not getting heatsoak are you? - If not, don't bother. Get an air intake instead, or a Milltek exhaust.
Also Forge offer a Twincooler which adds onto the front (and partially blocks the radiator!) as an addition rather than a replacement. I know that Forge originally gave up on this product because they couldn't improve the stock.
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I don't know if anyone has, but there are two people on another Golf forum I visit that have carbon fibre bonnets with a vent just above where the turbo is. Apparently it cools the turbo a bit while driving, though I'm not sure how noticeable the effect is.
EDIT: whoops that's on THIS forum :grin:
....I'm one of them and it's not been scientifically proved to be of direct benefit but it will contribute to extracting hot air generally in the engine bay and will probably help draw air flow in from the front grills - I'm sure that T_T wiil chip in if he disagrees.
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/RED_vent1.jpg)
I actually like that, and I also understand and agree with the logic too! :tongue: :wink: :smiley:
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thats where the air goes from the vented grilles :grin:
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my mate has an mr2 turbo, hes fitted one of those snorkel air scoops an a load of temperature sensors and a unit to read all the temps that he bought on overclockers forums?
he's got about 5 sensors all running air intake, water, oil, turbo & intercooler temperature. off to see it in a bit, should be interesting or just completely mess everything up!
oh, p.s too beauty of it was because its from a computer it all runs on 12v too!
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Hello,
Has anyone put a turbo blanket or beenie onto there GTI (Either K03 or K04)?
If so was it a generic blanket cut down to size or a specific K03/K04 product? Where was it purchased.
Also what are people's thoughts on doing this....???...(aiming to lower the heat being transfered into the intake and also help spool time)
Cheers..
I think you're misunderstanding what a turbo blanket is actually for... you should be looking at more efficient intercoolers instead.
....The Audi S3 intercooler drops into the Mk5 GTI very easily,
Whilst the S3 i/c may be a straight swap, the job certainly aint "easy"! :wink:
The stock oem intercooler on the Mk5 GTI/Ed30 is actually well thought of by independent experts - Far more efficient than on the Mk4 apparently and not really needing replacing unless you're in Florida or Arizona or do lots of trackdays - You in the hot part of Oz? You're not getting heatsoak are you? - If not, don't bother. Get an air intake instead, or a Milltek exhaust.
Sorry, but can't agree. Even in chilly old Blighty, you can get heat soak in the standard intercooler, and you don't need to be doing track days either.
The uprated S3 i/c is around 40% more efficient than the standard GTI one, and even a totally standard GTI can benefit from the S3 i/c.
Also Forge offer a Twincooler which adds onto the front (and partially blocks the radiator!) as an addition rather than a replacement.
Huh - that's nonsence. The Forge Twintercooler no more blocks the coolant rad than does the existing air con condensor, AND the standard intercooler, which are both mounted immediately in front of the rad! :rolleyes:
I know that Forge originally gave up on this product because they couldn't improve the stock.
I think that might not be true! The Forge Twintercooler is very highly rated, with actual vag-com logs to prove its effectiveness.
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thats where the air goes from the vented grilles :grin:
Ha ha. :tongue: Phunny phucker! :evil:
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thats where the air goes from the vented grilles :grin:
Ha ha. :tongue: Phunny phucker! :evil:
....That topher character is a real trouble-maker! Someone should ban him! :afro: :grin:
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....T-T - I'm sure you're right in correcting my posted info (on this occasion! :wink: :wink: :grin:):
- I was told the S3 i/c installation was easy by someone who would be happy to sell and install one for me! But, to be fair, we had also been discussing the APR i/c and apparently that really is tricky!
- My statement about Forge nearly giving up on developing their Twincooler was said directly to me firsthand in a phone conversation. However, that person has now left Forge!
- Good to learn that we can still gain benefit from the S3 i/c in the UK.
:afro:
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- My statement about Forge nearly giving up on developing their Twincooler was said directly to me firsthand in a phone conversation. However, that person has now left Forge!
Early testing did indeed show very poor results from it, with charge temps actually higher than the stock setup.. afaik that has now been resolved though.
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doesnt john have a twintercooler :huh: :huh: :huh:
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- My statement about Forge nearly giving up on developing their Twincooler was said directly to me firsthand in a phone conversation. However, that person has now left Forge!
Early testing did indeed show very poor results from it, with charge temps actually higher than the stock setup.. afaik that has now been resolved though.
....Ah, that's good to hear confirmed - I wasn't imagining what I was told. Forge were telling me how good the stock i/c was as part of that conversation. And also how they didn't expect many sales in the UK.
The S3 i/c seems the best value for money.
:afro:
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doesnt john have a twintercooler :huh: :huh: :huh:
....Which "john"? - There are quite a few around.
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....T-T - I'm sure you're right in correcting my posted info (on this occasion! :wink: :wink: :grin:):
- I was told the S3 i/c installation was easy by someone who would be happy to sell and install one for me! But, to be fair, we had also been discussing the APR i/c and apparently that really is tricky!
- My statement about Forge nearly giving up on developing their Twincooler was said directly to me firsthand in a phone conversation. However, that person has now left Forge!
- Good to learn that we can still gain benefit from the S3 i/c in the UK.
:afro:
Fitting the S3 cooler isn't a hard job, but it is very time consuming, and you really need two people - I did mine by myself, and taking pleanty of my usual care, the job took me a good two days - but then I am pedantic. Th fiddly bit is when you remove the lock carrier (the black plastic carrier for the bonnet latch and rads), you need to support that, then you need to remove the three-layer sandwich that is the rad, i/c and air con condensor (whilst not disconnecting the air con and coolant lines). Then you have to remove the air con from the front of the i/c, the rad from the rear - tease out the i/c, then put it all back. It might be easy for an octopus, though! :grin:
And the S3 cooler really does improve the consistency of the power output. I'd highly recommend it. :wink:
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- My statement about Forge nearly giving up on developing their Twincooler was said directly to me firsthand in a phone conversation. However, that person has now left Forge!
Early testing did indeed show very poor results from it, with charge temps actually higher than the stock setup.. afaik that has now been resolved though.
Ohhhh . . . . tell me more! :smiley:
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doesnt john have a twintercooler :huh: :huh: :huh:
....Which "john"? - There are quite a few around.
Hurdy. :smiley:
Me has Twintercooler too, and the S3 cooler! :wink: :smug:
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Trying to dig out the independent review with the charge temp graphs.. its around here somewhere (the ones on the forge site look like they were drawn with crayons :grin: ) but I've no idea what was causing the issues, or what they did to resolve it.
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Me has Twintercooler too, and the S3 cooler! :wink: :smug:
....Did you install them both in the same session? (seems you didn't from your 2-day posted info) In other words, did you install the S3 i/c first, run with it awhile, and then install the Twintercooler later? (Or vica-versa of course) and consequently form the opinion that the S3 i/c (alone) was of significant benefit.
Cheers.
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Me has Twintercooler too, and the S3 cooler! :wink: :smug:
....Did you install them both in the same session? (seems you didn't from your 2-day posted info) In other words, did you install the S3 i/c first, run with it awhile, and then install the Twintercooler later? (Or vica-versa of course) and consequently form the opinion that the S3 i/c (alone) was of significant benefit.
Cheers.
Both together.
The Forge alone is a piece of wee-wee to fit. Ten or so torx screws to remove the front bumper, a slight mod to the horn mounts, and a few other minor bits and bobs. If you were reasonably proficient, with the appropriate tools (and downloaded the appropriate maunals from my sticky), then the complete Forge-only install could be done in about 90minutes. Look on the Forge website, and download their very comprehensive fitting instructions.
The reason I took so long, was simply because I was working alone, taking lots of pics, making 3 or 4 pages of notes (for when I get round to doing a "how to" guide :rolleyes:). I did have issues with the hoses, which still are not fully rectified (hence my thread about Forge c/s in another section of the forum). Technically, the whole job lasted 10 days, but that was because I was waiting on answers from Forge - but strictly counting "man hours", then that is where two days comes from.
Regarding testing individually, I personally have not, but going by various threads from a variety of other forums, in SCN, vortex, ASN, and somewhere else, then when either the S3 cooler, or the Forge cooler have been upgraded on a GTI, the S3 can clearly be proven to provide around 30% efficiency improvement in lower charge temps. The efficiency of the Forge was less clear. Its overall efficiency compared to the S3 was slightly lower, but the Forge remains more constant, compared to either the standard GTI or the S3 cooler (due to where they are mounted). Now, weather that adds up to a cumulative 50% improvement - I don't know, and I doubt it. I would probably guess around 35% improvement, but this will be extremely consistent, even in very hot weather, and when using the air con.
So, the S3 for me was a no-brainer. For the Forge, their reputation had a key part in my decision. I'd recommend either the S3 alone, or the Forge alone, or both together. However, costs will play a key part. The Forge is expensive (you can get them down to £600), but the labour charge should be relatively cheap. On the other hand, the OEM S3 cooler must be a bargain of the century, at around £175 +vat. However, if you are paying for labour for fitting the S3 cooler, then this will be a real killer.
HTH
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....Thanks as always for such a full answer, TT :smiley:.
I don't like to do any installation on my car myself - I am useless at any car mechanics. I even had a mechanic when I raced bicycles!
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....Thanks as always for such a full answer, TT :smiley:.
You're welcome. :smiley:
I don't like to do any installation on my car myself - I am useless at any car mechanics. I even had a mechanic when I raced bicycles!
Best you get it booked into JKM then for them to do it! :wink: :grin:
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Best you get it booked into JKM then for them to do it! :wink: :grin:
....Yes, JKM is where I would go for this mod - S3 i/c only - IF I do it.
When, O when!? will all this modding stop? - And don't say when I get a S3 Sportback because I'll just start all over again!
(http://www.audizine.com/images/featured/16_featured_image_1214962250.jpg)
And I don't believe that quattro is any help on the slippery slope of modding!
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So..... Turbo blankets, good idea or just make things hotter?
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Best you get it booked into JKM then for them to do it! :wink: :grin:
....Yes, JKM is where I would go for this mod - S3 i/c only - IF I do it.
You know you want to! :evil:
When, O when!? will all this modding stop? - And don't say when I get a S3 Sportback because I'll just start all over again!
Probably not until you are pushing daisies! :wink: :evil: :smiley:
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So..... Turbo blankets, good idea or just make things hotter?
....I think that more people would have used them if they were of any real benefit. No problems without, so if it works why mend it?
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So..... Turbo blankets, good idea or just make things hotter?
Not sure really. :undecided:
I actually thought the blanket material was more for heat protection, ie, to stop the hot exhaust from toasting anything nearby, such as fuel lines, brake pipes, etc, which are close by.
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I actually thought the blanket material was more for heat protection, ie, to stop the hot exhaust from toasting anything nearby, such as fuel lines, brake pipes, etc, which are close by.
yep, mainly seen on jap cars with huge turbos where setting fire to the engine bay/stuff behind the bulkhead is more of an issue than heatsoak. I seem to recall someone trying to develop one with a circulating 'water jacket' , not sure if it ever went into production though.
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I actually thought the blanket material was more for heat protection, ie, to stop the hot exhaust from toasting anything nearby, such as fuel lines, brake pipes, etc, which are close by.
yep, mainly seen on jap cars with huge turbos where setting fire to the engine bay
But isn't that's what is best for rice burners? :wink: :evil: :evil: :evil: