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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Top Cat on 16 August 2008, 13:51
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Guy's i'm seriously thinking about pressing the buy button on these.
http://www.kw-suspension.co.uk/variant-2.htm
Iv'e got a couple of question's first. I would like to wind them down to something close to this, Rob's oldin :drool:
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm104/tomashandmilly/outside2.jpg)
Now if i go this low does it therefore mean i have to have the dampening fairly stiff to avoid scuffing the arche's when cornering hard or encountering poor roads ie potholes.
Next question, i am happy with the current dampening on the car, but i dont mind going a bit stiffer, my car is not really my daily drive. So bearing in mind all of the above and i decide to go stiffer will this damage the car long term ie bit's coming loose and falling off. I know i could go around the car periodically with a spanner and check bit's but i am not likely to do this in the real world. Any advice from people who have ran coil's or indeed a stiffer suspension for a couple of year's would be apreciate'd :kiss:
And finally anybody know a cheap place to get these iv'e done a quick search and found them for about £850 delivere'd, Thank's in advance for the help. :wink:
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I ran the eibach coilovers for 8 months on my ED30 with no issues at all once I'd sorted the front arch liners. There is very little difference in ride and the control is so much better. O yes nothin fell off either :laugh:
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I ran the eibach coilovers for 8 months on my ED30 with no issues at all once I'd sorted the front arch liners. There is very little difference in ride and the control is so much better. O yes nothin fell off either :laugh:
That's good to hear Gaz :grin: At least I know my filling will stay in then :cool:
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Guy's i'm seriously thinking about pressing the buy button on these.
http://www.kw-suspension.co.uk/variant-2.htm
Iv'e got a couple of question's first. I would like to wind them down to something close to this, Rob's oldin :drool:
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm104/tomashandmilly/outside2.jpg)
Now if i go this low does it therefore mean i have to have the dampening fairly stiff to avoid scuffing the arche's when cornering hard or encountering poor roads ie potholes.
Next question, i am happy with the current dampening on the car, but i dont mind going a bit stiffer, my car is not really my daily drive. So bearing in mind all of the above and i decide to go stiffer will this damage the car long term ie bit's coming loose and falling off. I know i could go around the car periodically with a spanner and check bit's but i am not likely to do this in the real world. Any advice from people who have ran coil's or indeed a stiffer suspension for a couple of year's would be apreciate'd :kiss:
And finally anybody know a cheap place to get these iv'e done a quick search and found them for about £850 delivere'd, Thank's in advance for the help. :wink:
MR TT could i have your valued advice on this please i know bits aint going to fall off but i remember you mentioning about slight changes to the front of the aerodynamics affecting the dsg so in weighing up the pro's and con's of getting coilovers and lowering the car what long term affects will fitting these have. :kiss:
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ive had mine on for about 4 months, had to sort the arches out at first but its all gravy now :cool: oh and nothing has fallen off :grin: but the rears do creek ocasionally :smiley:
i think that coilies are the main mod i would do to all my cars, even better than a re-map imo :cool: :smiley:
oh and i have eibachs
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ive had mine on for about 4 months, had to sort the arches out at first but its all gravy now :cool: oh and nothing has fallen off :grin: but the rears do creek ocasionally :smiley:
i think that coilies are the main mod i would do to all my cars, even better than a re-map imo :cool: :smiley:
oh and i have eibachs
I am defo going suspension and brakes first but a lot of mod's have a knock on affect on other parts i dont mind if the stiffer suspension set up means i have to keep my eye on other part's i just want to be aware of such thing's.
If by lowering the front of the car by 30 mil affects the DSG long term and shorten's its life in someway then i want to know about it. :sad:
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nobody has experienced that aerodynamic thing i dont think, i believe its TTs theory :smiley: :smiley:
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Guy's i'm seriously thinking about pressing the buy button on these.
http://www.kw-suspension.co.uk/variant-2.htm
Nice, quality German kit. Very highly regarded.
One issue though, dependent on type of coilover, and the type of car they go on - some of the damping adjusters will not be accessable once fitted. That means that if you want to change the damper settings, then you may need to partially dismantle certain parts of the suspension to access them. Now I don't know if it was specific to these particular KWs, or if it applied to the Golf. I have a gut feeling that the multi-link front end on longitudinal Audis (A4/A5/A6/A8) and Volkswagens (Passat B4/B5 and the Phaeton) were particularly troublesome in this respect. Therefore, I suggest you e-mail the supplier with a clear question regarding acessability regarding ALL the adjusters when fitted to the car.
Iv'e got a couple of question's first. I would like to wind them down to something close to this, Rob's oldin :drool:
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm104/tomashandmilly/outside2.jpg)
That's nice. Is that someone from this forum?
Now if i go this low does it therefore mean i have to have the dampening fairly stiff to avoid scuffing the arche's when cornering hard or encountering poor roads ie potholes.
Not necessarily, because both the damper rates and the spring rates should ideally be increased over the standard spring and damper rates.
Next question, i am happy with the current dampening on the car, but i dont mind going a bit stiffer, my car is not really my daily drive. So bearing in mind all of the above and i decide to go stiffer will this damage the car long term ie bit's coming loose and falling off. I know i could go around the car periodically with a spanner and check bit's but i am not likely to do this in the real world. Any advice from people who have ran coil's or indeed a stiffer suspension for a couple of year's would be apreciate'd :kiss:
Well, I've had a number of cars over the years with very "stiff" suspension. My last B6 S4 and my current RS4 don't leave a trail of bits in the road when I run over cats eyes - and I run 48psi in the front of the RS4!!!! :wink: :grin: The wifes previous Astra had the standard "sport" suspension, but I fitted 17" rims with very low profile tyres (for a car of its time), and nowt dropped off that. The only car/s I ever had problems with were two Vectra GSi's - utter bags of shyte really - with all the rear bushes and steering rack going tits up - cause Vauxhall the tight bast@rds refused to "uprate" the vitals to cope with the considerably stiffer springs and dampers.
So, on a dub, I very much doubt you'll encounter any problems. What you probably will notice, though, is that suspension bushes will not last as long, as say those on a Golf 1.6 SDI. The harder or stiffer the suspension, the more "strain" it will put on other components, particularly rubber bushes and ball joints. I hasten to add that it probably wont be a huge reduction in the life of the bushes - instead of the standard suspension set-up making the bushes last say 100k miles, "harder" suspension may reduce that to maybe 60k miles - a resonable trade-off in my HO.
And finally anybody know a cheap place to get these iv'e done a quick search and found them for about £850 delivere'd, Thank's in advance for the help. :wink:
Not really my area of expertise.
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I ran the eibach coilovers for 8 months on my ED30 with no issues at all once I'd sorted the front arch liners.
Was that just the single screw at the top-most section of the wheel arch?
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certainly was :smiley:
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MR TT could i have your valued advice on this please i know bits aint going to fall off but i remember you mentioning about slight changes to the front of the aerodynamics affecting the dsg so in weighing up the pro's and con's of getting coilovers and lowering the car what long term affects will fitting these have. :kiss:
Aerodynamics are a black art. However, providing you don't modify the engine undertray, and you haven't fitted those :sick: open fog lamp grilles, then lowering, even upto say 40-50mm shouldn't affect the air flow under the car to the DSG. However, if you go very, very low, whereby the front is nigh-on kissing the tarmac, or if you fit one of those stoooopid "max-power brigade" ultra low front splitters, then you create something called "ground effect" - which will be very bad news for the DSG, because ground effect is basically a "venturi" effect, and the air flow will actually accelerate under the car, and will actually miss being scooped up by the DSG and front brake cooling ducts.
So no open fog grilles, and no riding on the bump stops, and your DSG will be happy!
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Thanks TT
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nobody has experienced that aerodynamic thing i dont think, i believe its TTs theory :smiley: :smiley:
Huh - how do you explain all the failed mechatronics units which the Yanks seem to suffer? Show me a Yank who has a perfectly standard car with a failed mechatronics unit!
Sadly, all the Yanks think its "cool", or dare I use Yankie terminology "sick", to lower their cars, fit those stooopid open fog grilles, and a plethora of other mods - virtually as soon as the car has left the dealers forcourt.
The DSG mechatronics unit is a heat sensitive component. Saying that, Volkswagen will have no doubt spent many hours in the wind tunnel with the smoke wand, bits of string and sticky back plastic - along with considerable hours testing ranging from the Norwegian Arctic to some feckin hot desert somewhere - and deemed that the standard areodynamic profile of the Golf, including the GTI and R32, provide the correct amount of cooling to the correct locations of the cars critical parts, such as the brakes and the DSG. I don't think the average Yank will be able to match VWs test programme, do you?
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certainly was :smiley:
Well - what exactly did you need to do? Just remove the screw and plastic speed nut, or bend up the flange, or sommat else? :smiley:
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I removed the screw, plastic insert, bent the tab up a bit carefully as to not crack the paint. Then I tucked the liner behind the tab, I used a clip-nut from work on the liner then re-installed the screw
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nobody has experienced that aerodynamic thing i dont think, i believe its TTs theory :smiley: :smiley:
Huh - how do you explain all the failed mechatronics units which the Yanks seem to suffer? Show me a Yank who has a perfectly standard car with a failed mechatronics unit!
Sadly, all the Yanks think its "cool", or dare I use Yankie terminology "sick", to lower their cars, fit those stooopid open fog grilles, and a plethora of other mods - virtually as soon as the car has left the dealers forcourt.
The DSG mechatronics unit is a heat sensitive component. Saying that, Volkswagen will have no doubt spent many hours in the wind tunnel with the smoke wand, bits of string and sticky back plastic - along with considerable hours testing ranging from the Norwegian Arctic to some feckin hot desert somewhere - and deemed that the standard areodynamic profile of the Golf, including the GTI and R32, provide the correct amount of cooling to the correct locations of the cars critical parts, such as the brakes and the DSG. I don't think the average Yank will be able to match VWs test programme, do you?
....I'm not 100% in agreement with you on this either, TT. I don't debate what VW have spent hours testing and developing but I think that the fog grills being 'open' are probably not enough to upset the DSG system as much as I understand you to be saying. For a start, one of them is blanked off just behind the open honeycombe, and the other is partially blocked off.
But I do understand that you are describing a downside of a combination of several aftermarket components.
Weren't the fog vents open originally by VW to gain extra cooling to the DSG but then found not to be needed and subsequently dropped to streamline the economics of production between DSG and non-DSG cars?
My Mechatronics Module failed at about 6k miles and well before I changed to 'open' fog grilles. I'm not at 52k miles and have had 'open' vents for at least 25,000 miles without any problems.
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nobody has experienced that aerodynamic thing i dont think, i believe its TTs theory :smiley: :smiley:
Huh - how do you explain all the failed mechatronics units which the Yanks seem to suffer? Show me a Yank who has a perfectly standard car with a failed mechatronics unit!
Sadly, all the Yanks think its "cool", or dare I use Yankie terminology "sick", to lower their cars, fit those stooopid open fog grilles, and a plethora of other mods - virtually as soon as the car has left the dealers forcourt.
The DSG mechatronics unit is a heat sensitive component. Saying that, Volkswagen will have no doubt spent many hours in the wind tunnel with the smoke wand, bits of string and sticky back plastic - along with considerable hours testing ranging from the Norwegian Arctic to some feckin hot desert somewhere - and deemed that the standard areodynamic profile of the Golf, including the GTI and R32, provide the correct amount of cooling to the correct locations of the cars critical parts, such as the brakes and the DSG. I don't think the average Yank will be able to match VWs test programme, do you?
....I'm not 100% in agreement with you on this either, TT. I don't debate what VW have spent hours testing and developing but I think that the fog grills being 'open' are probably not enough to upset the DSG system as much as I understand you to be saying. For a start, one of them is blanked off just behind the open honeycombe, and the other is partially blocked off.
Oh boy. Its a shame the forum crashed a while back! :sad:
Look, in the original "pre-production" models released to the press, the GTI had "open" fog grilles - on both sides, like this:
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t108/Teutonic_Tamer/Golf%20V/006.jpg)
However, after a very small number of the initial production GTIs which were released with those grilles, all future production GTIs had fully closed grilles. So why, then, did VW feel the need to modify a part during a production run? :rolleyes: Cost - not really, asthetics - nope - so it must only be down to the performance of the individual part. :smug:
Even on the higher output Ed30/Pirelli models - and therefore hotter running - VW still use the fully closed grilles: :nerd:
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t108/Teutonic_Tamer/Golf%20V/2008-Volkswagen-Golf-GTI-Pirelli-Gi.jpg)
So, by using your logic RR that these "open" grilles don't upset the airflow, particularly to the DSG - why then did VW change them to fully closed versions. :rolleyes:
And you are wrong about these fully "open" grilles. Yes, agreed that the one on the right is actually blocked off (however, most owners, particularly the yanks will dremel off the rear cover, and merely freeze solid their screen wash bottle in the winter!), but the right one is most definately fully open. This was officially designed by VW for a "tropical climate" market - specifically Mexico and South Africa, and its purpose is to duct air to an additional large radiator behind the left fog light. However, even with the supposed substantial additional cooling from this additional radiator (which is about a third of the size of the main rad) - this "tropical climate" spec was never fitted to any cars (in South Africa, Mexico, or any other "hot" locations, such as Dubai or Arizona), because again, the supposed benefits from this additional radiator were either (a) not worth while, or (b) actually detracted from the cooling of other items. Now, unless anyone here actually works in the R&D at Wolfsburg, we will never know the real answer. :lipsrsealed: :rolleyes:
Now, going back to aerodynamics, you really do need to get a handle on the basics, and sadly, you don't appear to have any real grasp on the basic fundamentals of aerodynamics. :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
But I do understand that you are describing a downside of a combination of several aftermarket components.
OK. :smiley:
Weren't the fog vents open originally by VW to gain extra cooling to the DSG but then found not to be needed and subsequently dropped to streamline the economics of production between DSG and non-DSG cars?
Nope, they were designed to provide additional cooling primarilly for the engine coolant - and for non-DSG cars too. The internal ducting for these open grilles actually angles away from the DSG, in an orienation manner as though it was venting out of the side of the car. The simple fact that the wheel arch liner is no longer available with the exit louvres for this rad must show how ineffective the whole system was, and maybe how it was starving the actual DSG of air?
OK, it could losely be argued that the DSG might also benefit, soley on the grounds that the DSG oil (along with the engine oil, and the turbocharger) also take a feed from the engine coolant. However, their cooling benefit is of considerably less when compared to the engines own requirement - which would also explain why this is not used in hot climes. :nerd:
My Mechatronics Module failed at about 6k miles and well before I changed to 'open' fog grilles. I'm not at 52k miles and have had 'open' vents for at least 25,000 miles without any problems.
And . . . there is no logic to that statment. You can not "prove a negative". It uses the same misguided reasoning such as: If Fred Smith was to drive along UK motorways for a whole year at a constant speed of 120mph, and not get nicked - then 120mph is legal for a UK motorway! :rolleyes:
Negative logic is very bad logic - which probably explains why politicians use it so much. Unfortunately, negative logic proves Jack Schit! Sorry to be so blunt! :smiley:
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If you want something for comform but looks better and improved handling - take a look at the Koni FSD's and some better spring (H&R) which is what I did - cheaper, gives the car a great stance and spot on ride comfort.
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If you want something for comform but looks better and improved handling - take a look at the Koni FSD's and some better spring (H&R) which is what I did - cheaper, gives the car a great stance and spot on ride comfort.
....Agreed - I find the KoniFSD's plus Eibach springs and ARB's excellent for fast road use and several specialists have advised that this suspension is more than adequate unless I want to start doing regular track days and therefore go a stage further. Then Bilstein would be the best and KW V3's a second choice.
At the risk of making myself unpopular here, what I see is quite a few youngsters simply chasing the cool look of a lowered suspension and not really considering the full setup. And of course the likes of Awesome and Toys for Boys (and TTshop!) are more than happy to sell the gear. Coilovers are flavour of the month.
How many of you with track-style lowered suspension actually do track? Some yes, but a lot who don't.
But, each to their own.
[Prepares for lots of incoming flak]
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If you want something for comform but looks better and improved handling - take a look at the Koni FSD's and some better spring (H&R) which is what I did - cheaper, gives the car a great stance and spot on ride comfort.
....Agreed - I find the KoniFSD's plus Eibach springs and ARB's excellent for fast road use and several specialists have advised that this suspension is more than adequate unless I want to start doing regular track days and therefore go a stage further. Then Bilstein would be the best and KW V3's a second choice.
Are the KoniFSDs fully adjustable (for ride height, compression damping and rebound damping)? And if so, are the adjusters easily accessible?
At the risk of making myself unpopular here, what I see is quite a few youngsters simply chasing the cool look of a lowered suspension and not really considering the full setup. And of course the likes of Awesome and Toys for Boys (and TTshop!) are more than happy to sell the gear. Coilovers are flavour of the month.
How many of you with track-style lowered suspension actually do track? Some yes, but a lot who don't.
But, each to their own.
[Prepares for lots of incoming flak]
Ahhh , yes, the old can of worms.
I reckon that the vast majority of "modders" do so mainly on looks alone, rather than for a specific performance improvement?
And I guess you are just as guilty, m'lud, as the rest, RR. Take the current hot topic of carbon fibre - it was primarly created because it can carry greater structural loads for considerably less weight. To use the CF VW badges, now they certainly aint carrying any structural loads, and I reckon the weight saving over the OEM version will be so small as to be negligable - therefore, these are purely purchased on looks or aesthetics. The same logic can be applied to suspension, brakes, interior trims, engine covers, or whatever - so I guess there is a little "pot", "black" and "kettle" somewhere in you previous post Robin! :wink: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
Get that flack jacket zipped up tight! :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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....The KoniFSD's aren't adjustable at all - They automatically adjust themselves hydraulically. I believe that they are stock on some of the 'supercars' from McLaren and Mercedes.
http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/suspension.jsp?make=Koni&model=FSD+Damper+Set (http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/suspension.jsp?make=Koni&model=FSD+Damper+Set)
....I'm the first to admit that all my carbonfibre bits are merely eye-candy. But my point in criticising slamming the suspension is that too many people do it without consideration of the knock-on effects and what they are getting into as a whole.
:afro:
Btw, I'm clutching a new bit of carbon eye-candy in my hand as I type. Photos and full report later. :rolleyes:
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Btw, I'm clutching a new bit of carbon eye-candy in my hand as I type. Photos and full report later. :rolleyes:
CF gear change paddles? :drool:
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Btw, I'm clutching a new bit of carbon eye-candy in my hand as I type. Photos and full report later. :rolleyes:
CF gear change paddles? :drool:
....That's the baby!! Or should I say puppies!?
Off out in the car for a drive this afternoon - Excuse to get some Meg's cleaning product top ups. :cool:
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....The KoniFSD's aren't adjustable at all - They automatically adjust themselves hydraulically. I believe that they are stock on some of the 'supercars' from McLaren and Mercedes.
http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/suspension.jsp?make=Koni&model=FSD+Damper+Set (http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/suspension.jsp?make=Koni&model=FSD+Damper+Set)
....I'm the first to admit that all my carbonfibre bits are merely eye-candy. But my point in criticising slamming the suspension is that too many people do it without consideration of the knock-on effects and what they are getting into as a whole.
:afro:
Btw, I'm clutching a new bit of carbon eye-candy in my hand as I type. Photos and full report later. :rolleyes:
And that dear chap is why i started this thread, do the benefit's out way the prob's :smug:
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CF gear change paddles? :drool:
how much weight saving is that? :wink:
you guys are nuts :laugh:
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my coilovers are slammed, im a "young lad" and i think it looks :cool: :cool:, i dont go on track days, i dont use the public roads as a race track either, and ive saved my own pennys to buy my car and my mods so to be perfectly honest i dont care what you think of coilovers and how "low" cars dont work well :huh:, as mine has been like that for 5k and will be staying like that untill i sell it!!! so i might not have robins "perfect" susspension set up, and im centainly not putting my old vents in because TT seems to think that the aerodynamics will screw up my DSG (which i dont even have anyway :tongue:) at the end of the day i love my gti and i love the way it looks more than anything so EACH TO THEIR OWN :tongue: :tongue:
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CF gear change paddles? :drool:
how much weight saving is that? :wink:
you guys are nuts :laugh:
Pesky Peskarik. You do know you will be lynched for saying that or even worse chained to the back of a RS4 and dragged round the track as it beats a 335. :laugh: :laugh:
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my coilovers are slammed, im a "young lad" and i think it looks :cool: :cool:, i dont go on track days, i dont use the public roads as a race track either, and ive saved my own pennys to buy my car and my mods so to be perfectly honest i dont care what you think of coilovers and how "low" cars dont work well :huh:, as mine has been like that for 5k and will be staying like that untill i sell it!!! so i might not have robins "perfect" susspension set up, and im centainly not putting my old vents in because TT seems to think that the aerodynamics will screw up my DSG (which i dont even have anyway :tongue:) at the end of the day i love my gti and i love the way it looks more than anything so EACH TO THEIR OWN :tongue: :tongue:
....Respect to you, Joe - You have the courage of your convictions and I don't think there's anyone on this site who doesn't believe in Each To Their Own (ETTO).
I know you love your GTI and you are a true enthusiast and that's how it should be!
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CF gear change paddles? :drool:
how much weight saving is that? :wink:
you guys are nuts :laugh:
....Review plus pics will be posted later today - I know you can't wait!! :afro:
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....The KoniFSD's aren't adjustable at all - They automatically adjust themselves hydraulically. I believe that they are stock on some of the 'supercars' from McLaren and Mercedes.
http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/suspension.jsp?make=Koni&model=FSD+Damper+Set (http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/suspension.jsp?make=Koni&model=FSD+Damper+Set)
OK, thanks. Can't quite get my head around how they selectively alter the damper rates though. And is it just rebound, or compression and rebound damping which adjusts?
....I'm the first to admit that all my carbonfibre bits are merely eye-candy. But my point in criticising slamming the suspension is that too many people do it without consideration of the knock-on effects and what they are getting into as a whole.
Oh - I fully agree - and it is the same ethos behind my concern on the foggies! :wink:
Btw, I'm clutching a new bit of carbon eye-candy in my hand as I type. Photos and full report later. :rolleyes:
Your'e always clutching at sommat. Didn't you mum tell you to leave it alone, or it 'll drop off! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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im centainly not putting my old vents in because TT seems to think that the aerodynamics will screw up my DSG (which i dont even have anyway :tongue:)
But it's not only the DSG they starve of air. The front brake cooling ducts, and the intercooler and engine air intakes will all be affected too! :wink: :smiley:
You are absolutely right on ETTO though! :smiley:
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Btw, I'm clutching a new bit of carbon eye-candy in my hand as I type. Photos and full report later. :rolleyes:
Your'e always clutching at sommat. Didn't you mum tell you to leave it alone, or it 'll drop off! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
....I'm hoping that modern adhesives are such that it won't drop off. It said I'd be ok on the 3M packet!
I don't know anymore about the KoniFSD's except that they do work for my usage.
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....The KoniFSD's aren't adjustable at all - They automatically adjust themselves hydraulically. I believe that they are stock on some of the 'supercars' from McLaren and Mercedes.
http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/suspension.jsp?make=Koni&model=FSD+Damper+Set (http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/suspension.jsp?make=Koni&model=FSD+Damper+Set)
OK, thanks. Can't quite get my head around how they selectively alter the damper rates though. And is it just rebound, or compression and rebound damping which adjusts?
KONI FSD: Frequency Selective Damping
A revolutionary new technique whereby the benefits of both types of ride are combined in one perfect shock absorber.
As advanced as FSD is in operation, the basic principle behind it is astoundingly simple. No electronics or sensors are used. The FSD technology id based purely on hydraulics.
Put simply, FSD actively controls the damping level on the basis of the movement frequency of both the car's body as well as suspension. It responds even more responsively than electronic systems do.
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....The KoniFSD's aren't adjustable at all - They automatically adjust themselves hydraulically. I believe that they are stock on some of the 'supercars' from McLaren and Mercedes.
http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/suspension.jsp?make=Koni&model=FSD+Damper+Set (http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/suspension.jsp?make=Koni&model=FSD+Damper+Set)
OK, thanks. Can't quite get my head around how they selectively alter the damper rates though. And is it just rebound, or compression and rebound damping which adjusts?
KONI FSD: Frequency Selective Damping
A revolutionary new technique whereby the benefits of both types of ride are combined in one perfect shock absorber.
As advanced as FSD is in operation, the basic principle behind it is astoundingly simple. No electronics or sensors are used. The FSD technology id based purely on hydraulics.
Put simply, FSD actively controls the damping level on the basis of the movement frequency of both the car's body as well as suspension. It responds even more responsively than electronic systems do.
Thanks - but it still doesn't state weather both comp and rebound are adjusted? :undecided:
Anyone have a link to Koni directly? :smiley:
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....The KoniFSD's aren't adjustable at all - They automatically adjust themselves hydraulically. I believe that they are stock on some of the 'supercars' from McLaren and Mercedes.
http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/suspension.jsp?make=Koni&model=FSD+Damper+Set (http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/suspension.jsp?make=Koni&model=FSD+Damper+Set)
OK, thanks. Can't quite get my head around how they selectively alter the damper rates though. And is it just rebound, or compression and rebound damping which adjusts?
KONI FSD: Frequency Selective Damping
A revolutionary new technique whereby the benefits of both types of ride are combined in one perfect shock absorber.
As advanced as FSD is in operation, the basic principle behind it is astoundingly simple. No electronics or sensors are used. The FSD technology id based purely on hydraulics.
Put simply, FSD actively controls the damping level on the basis of the movement frequency of both the car's body as well as suspension. It responds even more responsively than electronic systems do.
Thanks - but it still doesn't state weather both comp and rebound are adjusted? :undecided:
Anyone have a link to Koni directly? :smiley:
Doesn't even say on their site!
http://www.koni.uk.com/home/content/view/69/209/
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CF gear change paddles? :drool:
how much weight saving is that? :wink:
you guys are nuts :laugh:
Pesky Peskarik. You do know you will be lynched for saying that or even worse chained to the back of a RS4 and dragged round the track as it beats a 335. :laugh: :laugh:
it's OK. There are many cars that beat 335. It does not matter.