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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Bobnaldo on 04 August 2008, 12:30
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Photos of Mk VI on autocar, not bad, interior looks better, but not sure about the outside, thoughts?
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Just saw them and the Mk6 looks pretty dull.
The rear light cluster doesn't have any character or drama to them.
The front lights are far too narrow for such a tall car. That style of lights look good on a low profile coupe but on a hatchback, the proportions are all off.
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nearly looks as bad as the mk5
(http://www.autocar.co.uk/contentImages//Car/Volkswagen/Golf/488894755.jpg)
(http://www.autocar.co.uk/contentImages//Car/Volkswagen/Golf/488894254.jpg)
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not a massive change. Looks like an eos/scirocco interior. I like the side profile of the 3 door. I imagine with a sharper nose and rear for the gti it may well be very nice indeed
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Typical understated VAG/VW development. Rear lights more like an Audi. Not immediately impressed but I can see the Scirocco/new VW look in it.
No doubt it will look better in the flesh.
Cass
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(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm104/tomashandmilly/48889482.jpg)
The front end is ok IMO
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm104/tomashandmilly/488895022.jpg)
You can see the scirocco connection on the flank's aswel.
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm104/tomashandmilly/488894311.jpg)
I like the 1 piece rear bumper ^^^ ^^^
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm104/tomashandmilly/488895440.jpg)
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm104/tomashandmilly/48889482.jpg)
Not sure about the rear cluster's they dont seem very adventurious
All in my humble opinion of course :smiley:
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This is just the standard model, just like when the mark 5 was released , it looked boring. Wait for the GTI / R32/R36 to be released with different styling cues.
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3 door looks so much better than the 5.
How real are these pictures anyway. Normally these 'leaked' photos on autocar, autoexpress etc are a load of poop or heavily photoshopped.
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Looks fairly predictable/dull. Having said that the design of the Golf has never been anything other than mundane.
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I really like it. I wonder what the GTI will look like?!
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There will be numerous engine choices for the Golf including a new 1.6L TSI engine developing 200hp (147kW) as well as a high-performance 2.0L turbo version with 240hp (179kW) in the GTI model (Taken from UKMKIV's)
Have some of that!
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Looks fairly predictable/dull. Having said that the design of the Golf has never been anything other than mundane.
Mundane? Yes, apart from the MkV GTI in my opinion. I love how it looks, it's what attracted me to it in the first place.
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(my 1st post since moving from Tyresmoke, so Hi all!)
Well considering that this is the basic model, it's ok i guess. The GTi and GT models will be much nicer.... i hope! Seems a bit plane, but i guess the entry level MKV is as well.
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i posted it in the chat forum
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I like it. A bit subtle but the GTi will be awesome.
This is just the standard model, just like when the mark 5 was released , it looked boring. Wait for the GTI / R32/R36 to be released with different styling cues.
There wont be a .:R32. Its dead.
nearly looks as bad as the mk5
(http://www.autocar.co.uk/contentImages//Car/Volkswagen/Golf/488894755.jpg)
(http://www.autocar.co.uk/contentImages//Car/Volkswagen/Golf/488894254.jpg)
Get over yourself sweetpea. :lipsrsealed:
Mike
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I like it, didn't think much of the MK5 when that was released, but as soon as I saw a GTI :shocked:
Not sure about the Touareg rear lights though :huh:
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Its ok overall. Rear end of the Mk5 looks better in my opinion - but then again I prefer the front to the rear when the Mk5 came out. The standard Mk5 does look very boring though and this is an improvement. Still not revolutionary. The Mk5's certainly do not look outdate next to one of those, unlike a Mk4 GTI next to a Mk5.
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yes the vibes from those Mk6 pics are the same of those 1st run pics of a basic Mk5 when it came out.
As long as Vw do something to seperate it from the other mainstream models including the R, im sure it will look great.
Im hoping its not gonna look too good, or ill end up chopping in for one if its got more then 230 bhp.
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Hummm, I'm not sure it seems to be more bland the current model. As has been pointed out the rear lights really lack any kind of features which is a shame as I think the rear lights on the current rang (Including the jetta, passat, polo etc.) are really a work of art and remind me of the MKI MX5 which aredislayed in the New York Museum of design!
Nick
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I guess I am the only one that thinks it looks alot better than the MkV when it was first realsed :cool:
The V took a fair few month of seeing them before they really grew on me. I would imagine it would be the same with the VI. In fact it wasnt until the gti was released that I even considered getting a golf... sad but true :laugh:
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Need to see a GTI version... but like most say the MKV GTI didnt jump out at me initially - bit of a touch here and there made it look better ;)
As for design well its still based on the Mk5 platform - has this been done before.. mk3 was completely different to the Mk4 which was different to the Mk5 - this looks more like a facelift version
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just to put my 2 pence in on this i like, you just know the gti is goin 2 look alot better....dropped 2 the floor, another nice front grille...ooooh im already gettin excited!!!!! :shocked:
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I think it looks great! Even for a non GTi! Bit gutted really, as I was expecting this to come a little later than it has!
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it looks like a morphed up scirroco.
It looks nice imo, be good to see what the Gti will look like
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Thumbs up from me. Looks well.
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Now I really like it! Hope the GTI comes soon :wink:
Looks great and modern, I hope it gets some good reviews, is faster on the Top Gear track and Clarkson buys one!
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just to put my 2 pence in on this i like, you just know the gti is goin 2 look alot better....dropped 2 the floor, another nice front grille...ooooh im already gettin excited!!!!! :shocked:
Yes, I'm already nursing a semi at the thought of a MkVI GTI...
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just to put my 2 pence in on this i like, you just know the gti is goin 2 look alot better....dropped 2 the floor, another nice front grille...ooooh im already gettin excited!!!!! :shocked:
Yes, I'm already nursing a semi at the thought of a MkVI GTI...
:grin: :grin: Definitely! I think they will get it right once again with the MkVI - as they have done with the MkV!
I still don't see where the Scirocco fits into the equation though...similar price, similar engines, just a little bigger and sleeker...just don't understand. If they had priced the Scirocco more expensive then it would have made a bit more sense i think.
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Not sure about it.
Not really impressed with the design differences either. It is typical VW - evolution and not revolution :undecided:
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Not sure about it.
Not really impressed with the design differences either. It is typical VW - evolution and not revolution :undecided:
The GTI MkV is a great car. No wait, it's a fantastic car. They don't need to go back to the drawing board IMO. It just needs a few tweaks and adjustments, maybe refine the interior some more, give it more grunt and stuff and hey presto, a fine successor to the MkV.
I think the MkVI pics that have been released are stunning. The car looks really, really good and I can only imagine how the GTI may look. Think positive people!!!
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Not sure about it.
Not really impressed with the design differences either. It is typical VW - evolution and not revolution :undecided:
The GTI MkV is a great car. No wait, it's a fantastic car. They don't need to go back to the drawing board IMO. It just needs a few tweaks and adjustments, maybe refine the interior some more, give it more grunt and stuff and hey presto, a fine successor to the MkV.
I think the MkVI pics that have been released are stunning. The car looks really, really good and I can only imagine how the GTI may look. Think positive people!!!
I'm still reserving judgement until I have seen one in the flesh. :wink:
If I had one wish at the moment it would be that VW announce a racing K04 version of the Scirocco :cool:
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Not sure about it.
Not really impressed with the design differences either. It is typical VW - evolution and not revolution :undecided:
The GTI MkV is a great car. No wait, it's a fantastic car. They don't need to go back to the drawing board IMO. It just needs a few tweaks and adjustments, maybe refine the interior some more, give it more grunt and stuff and hey presto, a fine successor to the MkV.
I think the MkVI pics that have been released are stunning. The car looks really, really good and I can only imagine how the GTI may look. Think positive people!!!
I'm still reserving judgement until I have seen one in the flesh. :wink:
If I had one wish at the moment it would be that VW announce a racing K04 version of the Scirocco :cool:
If VW make that i will be in the Q behind you :drool:
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Not sure about it.
Not really impressed with the design differences either. It is typical VW - evolution and not revolution :undecided:
The GTI MkV is a great car. No wait, it's a fantastic car. They don't need to go back to the drawing board IMO. It just needs a few tweaks and adjustments, maybe refine the interior some more, give it more grunt and stuff and hey presto, a fine successor to the MkV.
I think the MkVI pics that have been released are stunning. The car looks really, really good and I can only imagine how the GTI may look. Think positive people!!!
I'm still reserving judgement until I have seen one in the flesh. :wink:
If I had one wish at the moment it would be that VW announce a racing K04 version of the Scirocco :cool:
If VW make that i will be in the Q behind you :drool:
And then i would be behind you ( not in a Kenny everett way though ) more of a wimbledon ticket kinda way, :wink:
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I'm not sure about it yet, will have to wait and see the GTI version. Like a lot of people I didn't really like the mk v until I saw the GTI, then I went and got one :grin:
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Im hoping its not gonna look too good, or ill end up chopping in for one if its got more then 230 bhp.
....If you do get one, make sure your dealer fits the Millteks for you before you pick it up. No explaining 'expensive pipes' to the missus 'bank manager'! :evil:
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....Those rear light clusters are awful! :sick:
What about LED light technology?
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....Those rear light clusters are awful! :sick:
What about LED light technology?
Strangely VW decided not to use LED rear lights on the Passat CC?? :huh:
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....Even stranger because I happen to know that Hella have been doing some LED lighting development for VW. LED lighting technology is surely the way forward?
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You see this with BMW though don't you....The last E46 Coupe's that came out had LED rear brake and indicator lights, however when E92 came out (the current 3 Series Coupé), there was no LED technology to be seen...! I think it's just their way of extending the product lifecycle by gradually implementing different features. So expect LED lights at the facelift maybe?
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I don't like it at all!
Still unsure on that Scirocco shape grill and the rear end now seems to look like an estate rather than a hatch!
A GTI version will be interesting, wonder how/if they will incorporate the red grill piping!?
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....My LED tails were made for VW by Valeo (one of their usual manufacturers) and specifically for the Mk5 Golf, but why aren't they on any production Golfs?
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/LED_part.jpg)
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/LED_closeup1.jpg)
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Those LED lights look cool. Where did you get them from RedRobin? :cool:
As for the MkVI, i don't think it looks toooo bad and remember, this isn't the final production model, is it? :undecided:
It will be interesting to see what they'll do to compete with other manufacturers to stay ahead of the game. The next gti will have to be something special, as hot hatches seem like they have gone to another level.
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Those LED lights look cool. Where did you get them from RedRobin? :cool:
....VWSpeed online but based in Ipswich area : - http://www.vwspeed.co.uk/volkswagen/vw-parts/Mk5_Golf_Genuine_LED_Rear_Lights-2220-241.html (http://www.vwspeed.co.uk/volkswagen/vw-parts/Mk5_Golf_Genuine_LED_Rear_Lights-2220-241.html)
Also some info in this 19 page thread! : - http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=70770.160 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=70770.160)
HTH :cool:
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Guy on here has some for sale in the back of VW driver magazine for the last couple of months.
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Guy on here has some for sale in the back of VW driver magazine for the last couple of months.
I seem to remember Hotrod having his for sale aswel, but it was a while back May i think
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....Well, you and I like those LED tails don't we, Top Cat :cool:
I actually think they look best of all with Candy White.
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http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/225987/allnew_golf_is_raring_to_go.html
An interesting read and some detailed pictures. I like the angle of the clocks, and noticed they are fitting the ACC system on it too! Can't wait to see a GTI, the bad news being I may want one!! :wink:
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http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/index.php
some nice pshops in this one
http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1476
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The fuel guage looks a little too big - you'll probably be able to watch it on the GTI version :shocked:
They should put in a boost guage instead :laugh:
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Is it just me.... or is there absolutely no chance of a 3.2 fitting in there! The 2.0 or whatever it is in the autocar pics look like a squeeze already :sad:
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im liking those dash pics very much!!, god i wish they would release GTi pics!
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I think this won't look to far off it............ :huh:
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk284/Greenouse/mk6gti.jpg)
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....Here's some info which is more official but about the Mk6 Golf rather than Mk6 GTI : -
http://biali.ritey.com/forum/index.php?topic=90.0 (http://biali.ritey.com/forum/index.php?topic=90.0)
I agree with Greenouse - That looks very likely as a GTI version.
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I can try a Photoshop..... But it wont look so good. I think the GTi version is going to be stunning though.
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I think it'll be more like this Photoshop'd version.... Wheels will have similar styling but not the same. Obviously not this low though!!!
(http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/5926/x112283yd4.jpg)
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^^ We'll just have to wait and see, but as they already have customer feedback on the front end of the W12 project that one may be a winner :huh:
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A 1.8 TFSI with at least 200bhp wouldn't be enough to tempt me out of my Ed30 :evil:
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A 1.8 TFSI with at least 200bhp wouldn't be enough to tempt me out of my Ed30 :evil:
And it sure as hell would not get me out of an R32 :rolleyes: :grin:
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From what I have read, the GTI's going to be stunning, modern and more powerful. On top of that, it will use less fuel, between 12 and 28%.
I cant wait to see one, come on VW work your magic! Give us an AWD version with the S3 mota, decent leather and adaptive suspension like the TTS.
I know its gonna be brilliant!
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im gonna be soooo in debt if it does have what you hope for Newgolf!! :laugh: :laugh:
accoarding to a source, the new GTi WILL have the 1.8 litre TSI unit as fitted in the audi range, will produce no lower then 200hp, and WILL have tartan seats, red around honeycomb grill on the front like before. Not sure what the 1.8 TSI currently puts out in the Audi range, but by the sound of it, if you like to mod, then your best off keeping if you have it already , a Mk5.
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very interesting.....open another can of worms here now.......special editions planned for the mk6 GTi?
maybe abit early something to think of over supper! :wink:
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I think what Newgolf said there is what we would all like to see the new golf as! But unfortunately even though its well within VW's capabilities I dont think it will happen. Some stooopid company called audi keeps getting in the way :undecided:
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....And Audi is so bland too!
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....And Audi is so bland too!
Don't let Gaz see that :lipsrsealed: :wink:
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From what I have read, the GTI's going to be stunning, modern and more powerful. On top of that, it will use less fuel, between 12 and 28%.
I cant wait to see one, come on VW work your magic! Give us an AWD version with the S3 mota, decent leather and adaptive suspension like the TTS.
I know its gonna be brilliant!
With you all the way.. :drool:
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For those that havent seen it, VW official release
PRESS RELEASE
The Best Golf of All Times
Wolfsburg, 05 August 2008 - Golf's high levels of value and comfort nullify class distinctions
New Golf design points the way to Volkswagen's future
TDI, TSI and DSG systems improve fuel economy by up to 28 percent
First Golf with adaptive chassis and automatic distance control
Volkswagen is unveiling its most important automotive secret of the year: the new Golf. The car – Europe's most successful with more than 26 million sold – was improved in all areas. "This sixth generation of Golf cars will completely redefine the quality and comfort level of its class over broad categories, offering more customer value than ever before", says Prof. Dr. Martin Winterkorn, Chairman of the Board at Volkswagen AG. The European market launch of the new Golf will begin in October; following in succession will be Africa, Asia, Australia and North America. The entry price for the German market is around 16,500 Euros.
Innovative power – the Golf democratizes progress
The clear and powerful design of the new Golf is showing the entire brand the way to the future. Its acoustic properties and the overall comfort of the Volkswagen tear down class distinctions. Innovative engines and transmission technologies lower fuel consumption by up to 28 percent. All gasoline and diesel engines satisfy limits of the future EU-5 standard.
Assistance systems such as "automatic distance control" (ACC), "adaptive chassis control" (DCC) and the "park steering assistant" bring additional top technologies on board the Golf. A new ESP system, with finer response over its control range, further optimized crash properties, seven airbags including knee airbag, the special head restraints (WOKS) that counteract whiplash trauma, a "seatbelt detection" feature debuting in the rear seating area of the Golf and daytime running lights – that are standard equipment – provide for a maximum level of safety.
Exterior design – Precision in a new form
The high value of the new Golf is reflected par excellence in its stylish design; all key body elements were redesigned: "We have cast the Golf's core components in a precise, new mold", explains Walter de Silva. And the Italian design chief of the German corporation emphasizes this: "The Golf is the global icon car making. So the architecture and graphic form of new model are also absolutely clear and unique." At the same time, the sixth Golf has a sportier and more distinctive appearance than any previous generation of the model series. De Silva: "It is more accentuated, more three-dimensional than its predecessor; with precisely defined lines and edges, and with finely proportioned flared surfaces and recesses." And Klaus Bischoff, Chief Designer for the Volkswagen brand, adds: "Every detail is uncompromisingly aimed at improving value."
Especially in a direct comparison of generations five and six, it becomes clear just how much the new Golf has changed. The team headed up by de Silva and Bischoff sought to crystallize out the "essential DNA" of the model series and send it on a trip to the future. These stylistic characteristics include the clear front end of the first generation and the C-pillar that was perfected in the fourth generation.
The roof section now rests – similar to the new Scirocco – on a dominant filled out shoulder section. Responsible for this is a prominent curving line that – like a muscle trained down to the last fiber – extends from the headlights back to the taillights. In its side profile, this line – which Volkswagen Design calls the "character line" – also gives the new Golf a fuller, lower stance on the road from a side perspective.
All body surfaces are generally more relaxed, more athletic. In front the new car takes up the horizontally aligned radiator grille trim strip between the headlights of the first Golf generation; the grille itself is high-gloss black. The lines of the bumper match those of the radiator grille. Beneath this is an adjacent section with another air scoop. Also arranged on a black background are the chrome light housings of the dynamically styled headlamps.
In the rear too is characterized by a dominance of horizontal lines. The taillights – very wide now – are identified among other things by an unmistakably unique night design. Stylistically – with their crystal-clear lines for the turn signal and backup lamps – they bear a resemblance to the taillights of the Touareg. Overall, the image of the new Golf – in the interplay of all of its design characteristics – is one of a significantly wider, flatter and even more high-end car.
Interior – imploding class distinctions
The car's exceptional value also applies to the newly designed interior, whose refined surfaces and features completely transform class distinctions, both to the touch and visually, especially in the cockpit area. The appearance and layout of materials and details such as brushed chrome accents and round instruments derived directly from those of the Passat CC leave the impression that one is actually sitting in a car of the next higher segment. Ergonomic properties of the car's interior were also further developed. For example, all operating controls are even easier to use. They include the control of the automatic climate control system (Climatronic) – presented for the first time on the Passat CC – and the power window controls that are now located further forward in the door trim, making them easier to access.
There is a common thread here: Volkswagen's typical attention to perfection of every detail in the car. Take the example of "seatbelt detection" in the rear: if the Golf is ordered with rear side airbags, the user can recognize on the multifunctional display in the cockpit whether the occupants have their seatbelts fastened in the rear – separately for each seat. Or take the example of leather seats: a new, more robust leather surface is being used. Or the example of the cargo area: four practical hooks ensure that after shopping, the contents of shopping bags are not strewn across the cargo area. Or the example of the outside mirrors: thanks to an aerodynamically optimized shape they get significantly less dirty. They are easier to adjust from the interior, since the power mirror adjustment control is now located further up and more forward in the door trim.
Noise reduction – the quietest Golf since the first model
The new Golf is characterized by first-class acoustic properties. A special damping film in the windshield also reduces driving noises, as does the newly developed seal concept for the doors and side window guides. The new shape of the outside mirrors also significantly reduces wind noise. Furthermore, special modifications were made to acoustically isolate the engine and passenger compartments from one another better. Very quiet rolling tires and new engine bearings round out the noise reduction package.
Diesel engines – migration to common rail injection
Making a significant contribution to the pioneering acoustic properties are the exceptionally quiet TDI common rail engines being used in the Golf for the first time. Two balancer shafts also put an end to undesirable vibrations. Plans call for a TDI power range extending from 66 kW / 90 PS to 125 kW / 170 PS. Right at the market launch, Volkswagen will be offering the Golf with two 2.0 liter TDI engines; they output 81 kW / 110 PS and 103 kW / 140 PS. Always there as production equipment: a diesel particulate filter (DPF).
The new TDIs are exceptionally fuel efficient. The 110 PS strong entry-level diesel is satisfied with 4.5 liters of fuel (119 g/km CO2) per 100 kilometers – that represents a 0.6 liter reduction! Even the 140 PS version only requires 4.9 liters of diesel (129 g/km CO2), which is 0.6 liters less.
Gasoline engines – more economical than ever before
Four variants will define the range of gasoline engines in the launch phase: 59 kW / 80 PS, 75 kW / 102 PS, 90 kW / 122 PS and 118 kW / 160 PS. Starting at 90 kW / 122 PS, the TSI engines come with supercharger and/or turbocharger. The fact is that the gasoline engines too are pioneering when it comes to fuel economy. The optimized 80 PS entry-level engine consumes just 6.4 liters of Super per hundred kilometers (149 g/km CO2) – that is 0.5 liters less than the previous model. The other TSI engines are also taking the stage as prime examples of efficiency: at 122 PS the new Golf 1.4 TSI consumes just 6.2 liters of Super (144 g/km CO2); this yields a fuel consumption advantage of 0.1 liters. Even the new 160 PS top version of the 1.4 TSI attains an excellent value at 6.3 liters. Compared to the retired 150 PS FSI, the 160 PS TSI's fuel consumption was even lowered by 1.6 liters.
DSG – replaces conventional automatic
With the exception of the entry-level versions, all gasoline and diesel engines can be paired with Volkswagen's dual clutch transmission (DSG). Depending on the engine torque, either a 6-s0eed or 7-speed DSG is used. On the Golf, the extremely efficient and agile DSG has thereby replaced the classic torque converter automatic. Just how efficient the alliance of TSI plus DSG can be is demonstrated by the average fuel consumption of the 1.4 TSI with 160 PS and 7-speed DSG: 6.0 liters (139 g/km CO2). This high-tech duo replaces the 2.0 FSI with 150 PS and 6-speed automatic. Average fuel consumption there: 8.3 liters. Savings: 2.3 liters per hundred kilometers or 28 percent – progress in its best form.
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55 Pic's of the New Golf!
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/der-n...vi_760516.html
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(http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/6349/mk6ql2.jpg)
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(http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/8790/39471787hs1.jpg)
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you need to photoshop in honeycomb grills and red grill piping like at the present, to then resemble the new GTi
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Their asking for trouble with those wheels! White worm city!!
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55 Pic's of the New Golf!
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/der-n...vi_760516.html
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I think it will be a step up in quality.The interior/dash looks nice.The high end models will be even nicer me thinks! :cool:
The shape etc,like the mark 5 will grow on us.
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55 Pic's of the New Golf!
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/der-n...vi_760516.html
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I'm really glad I don't have tight jeans on otherwise I'd be in a very awkward position.
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It's growing on me already, the front I really like, the profile is pretty good, but the rear lacks drama.
Nick
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GTI version will have 211bhp and GTI-R will have 265bhp and 4 wheel drive, which sounds nice.
link attached.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/Volkswagen-Golf/234355/
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Well if that's true it bodes well for an R version of the Rocco too.
Nick
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GTI version will have 211bhp and GTI-R will have 265bhp and 4 wheel drive, which sounds nice.
link attached.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/Volkswagen-Golf/234355/
when can i get one i need the r gti as i think the s3 is a little dull so this would fit the bill just fine :evil:
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....Quoted from the link:-
"Power will come from a 211bhp turbocharged 2.0-litre version of the group’s new global EA888 engine, equipped with the new valve-lift system developed by Audi.
Volkswagen is keen to make maintenance easier, and access to the turbo and oil cooler will be improved in a bid to cut servicing costs.
The VW GTI will get beefed-up looks too. It will have new bumpers front and rear, as well as different head and tail-lights. The headlights will have Audi-style LED running lights. Five-spoke 18in alloys will be standard, with 19in items on the options list.
The bad news for six-cylinder Golf fans is that there are no plans to replace the current R32 version, mainly because of EU emissions legislation.
Instead, VW plans to launch a four-wheel-drive R variant with a 265bhp version of the GTI engine."
....Sounds really tasty!! Oh dear! I'm still committed to keeping my very heavily modified Mk5 GTI for more years.
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The new Golf has a more 'driver-focused' facia than the last one, with the console swept up in the boundary of the instrument panel – which brings us to the GTI. Evo saw a design-freeze model (no cameras allowed) in metallic white with gigantic 19in wheels whose five inter-spoke holes each resembled the outline of a Bugatti radiator. The white might make production but spraying it consistently is difficult.
The nose features LED lights outlining the main double-unit headlamps, a deeper and wider bumper/valance with Audi R8-like strakes in the outer vents, honeycomb upper and lower grilles, and a red line across the top and the bottom of the upper grille. At the tail, nestling within a diffuser-like valance, are two tailpipes spaced widely apart for visual symmetry. The tail lights have a strip across their base which includes the indicator and either the reversing light or the rear foglight.
quote from Evo, only had my Mk V 2 months, but i'm already saving.
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....Quoted from the link:-
"Power will come from a 211bhp turbocharged 2.0-litre version of the group’s new global EA888 engine, equipped with the new valve-lift system developed by Audi.
Volkswagen is keen to make maintenance easier, and access to the turbo and oil cooler will be improved in a bid to cut servicing costs.
The VW GTI will get beefed-up looks too. It will have new bumpers front and rear, as well as different head and tail-lights. The headlights will have Audi-style LED running lights. Five-spoke 18in alloys will be standard, with 19in items on the options list.
The bad news for six-cylinder Golf fans is that there are no plans to replace the current R32 version, mainly because of EU emissions legislation.
Instead, VW plans to launch a four-wheel-drive R variant with a 265bhp version of the GTI engine."
....Sounds really tasty!! Oh dear! I'm still committed to keeping my very heavily modified Mk5 GTI for more years.
I best start saving then :cool:
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....Quoted from the link:-
"Power will come from a 211bhp turbocharged 2.0-litre version of the groups new global EA888 engine, equipped with the new valve-lift system developed by Audi.
Volkswagen is keen to make maintenance easier, and access to the turbo and oil cooler will be improved in a bid to cut servicing costs.
The VW GTI will get beefed-up looks too. It will have new bumpers front and rear, as well as different head and tail-lights. The headlights will have Audi-style LED running lights. Five-spoke 18in alloys will be standard, with 19in items on the options list.
The bad news for six-cylinder Golf fans is that there are no plans to replace the current R32 version, mainly because of EU emissions legislation.
Instead, VW plans to launch a four-wheel-drive R variant with a 265bhp version of the GTI engine."
....Sounds really tasty!! Oh dear! I'm still committed to keeping my very heavily modified Mk5 GTI for more years.
Ok I'm getting one as soon as its available,
The first thing I'll modify will be those running lights though........ they are COMING OFF!
I wonder if VCDS will work on the new model?
But all those are minor things compared the the fact there will be a 265HP AWD version YEEEEHARRRRR!
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so one mag is saying 1.8 litre TSI with low emmsions and more effiencent and now autocar are saying 2.0 engine with 211bhp with little changes to emmisions and mpg???. Somebodys got their sources wrong. We'll just have to wait n see what comes out
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The first thing I'll modify will be those running lights though........ they are COMING OFF!
But all those are minor things compared the the fact there will be a 265HP AWD version YEEEEHARRRRR!
....I think you'll find that it will be illegal not to have DRL's on new cars in the UK very soon.
I'll be hanging on to see what the 'AWD' 265bhp GTI R-version is like. I don't expect it will be here until 2010 earliest.
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The first thing I'll modify will be those running lights though........ they are COMING OFF!
But all those are minor things compared the the fact there will be a 265HP AWD version YEEEEHARRRRR!
....I think you'll find that it will be illegal not to have DRL's on new cars in the UK very soon.
I'll be hanging on to see what the 'AWD' 265bhp GTI R-version is like. I don't expect it will be here until 2010 earliest.
Good job I live in the Channel Islands then :wink:
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The Channel Islands are part of the UK though!
Robin: First dibs on your Gti in 2010!
Nick
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The first thing I'll modify will be those running lights though........ they are COMING OFF!
But all those are minor things compared the the fact there will be a 265HP AWD version YEEEEHARRRRR!
....I think you'll find that it will be illegal not to have DRL's on new cars in the UK very soon.
I'll be hanging on to see what the 'AWD' 265bhp GTI R-version is like. I don't expect it will be here until 2010 earliest.
Good job I live in the channel Islands then :wink:
....Sorry, it's because of Euro legislation that it's coming to the UK. What govn'ment do the Channel Islands come under? UK or Euro or independent?
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My Bad, I just checked and they're not part of the UK. Flame away!
nick
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The first thing I'll modify will be those running lights though........ they are COMING OFF!
But all those are minor things compared the the fact there will be a 265HP AWD version YEEEEHARRRRR!
....I think you'll find that it will be illegal not to have DRL's on new cars in the UK very soon.
I'll be hanging on to see what the 'AWD' 265bhp GTI R-version is like. I don't expect it will be here until 2010 earliest.
Good job I live in the channel Islands then :wink:
....Sorry, it's because of Euro legislation that it's coming to the UK. What govn'ment do the Channel Islands come under? UK or Euro or independent?
Totally Independant, own Government etc. I'm not having tacky LED's on my (forthcoming) New Golf! :wink:
Horney, no flaming from me bud, all friends on here
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Robin: First dibs on your Gti in 2010!
Nick
....If you mean my new GTI-R, sure!
You might be able to afford my existing one in 2010 - 100,000 miles (good for another 100k miles), extremely well maintained, highly but sensibly modified with such things as special Quaife diff, AP brakes, only Stage1, well balanced fast road car! I won't get much for her but I will have had my best 5-6 years enjoyment in any car so far!
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Robin: First dibs on your Gti in 2010!
Nick
....If you mean my new GTI-R, sure!
You might be able to afford my existing one in 2010 - 100,000 miles (good for another 100k miles), extremely well maintained, highly but sensibly modified with such things as special Quaife diff, AP brakes, only Stage1, well balanced fast road car! I won't get much for her but I will have had my best 5-6 years enjoyment in any car so far!
That's exactly what I meant mate, don't trade it or sell it till you've spoken to me first. I'll start saving right now.
*Adds a few more coppers to the tin on his desk*
Nick
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Robin: First dibs on your Gti in 2010!
Nick
....If you mean my new GTI-R, sure!
You might be able to afford my existing one in 2010 - 100,000 miles (good for another 100k miles), extremely well maintained, highly but sensibly modified with such things as special Quaife diff, AP brakes, only Stage1, well balanced fast road car! I won't get much for her but I will have had my best 5-6 years enjoyment in any car so far!
That's exactly what I meant mate, don't trade it or sell it till you've spoken to me first. I'll start saving right now.
*Adds a few more coppers to the tin on his desk*
Nick
....Joking apart, if/when one day I come to sell my Mk5 GTI, it'll be privately and I imagine it's bound to be a younger enthusiast VDub dude like yourself. Practical allround family car and good for carrying photo gear. I'm totally happy to offer you first refusal come that day. :cool:
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Think I might hold out for the new GTI or R version then - unless I need something bigger by then or the GTR comes my way:)
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....It seems silly not wait a bit longer and check out the Mk6 GTI-R, by which time, if not desired you can fall back on considering the Mk6 GTI - All subject to test drives!
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Hmm, I reckon I could be tempted by the 265bhp AWD GTi-R if the rumours are true. Bit disappointed that the regular version of the Mk6 GTi will only have 211bhp. I was expecting at least 230+, especially given what the latest hot hatches are putting out, such as the new Focus RS. Come on VW, you need to do better than that if the new GTi is to match up to the competition.
On the looks of the Mk6, I like the looks of the 3 door but like everyone else I think it looks like the designers took a half day and headed home early when they were designing the rear. It looks very dull.
Now, do I stick with the DSG or go back to a manual? Choices, choices..(sounds like I've already decided to buy it. :smiley:)
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I've just seen the pix on the Evo newsletter, and.............bloody hell, it's a bit subtle*, isn't it ?
Same platform, doors, 'screen..........it's a MK5.5 really.
211hp a bit pedestrian for the GTI imo, the 265 might be interesting at a few grand less than the S3 though.
A 200hp diesel would be even better.
*dull
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....Crikey! teebee - Thanks for that! :smiley:
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Im just starting to wonder if I could put a ed30 lump into an R32??? There are certainly enough of them flying around (esp with the number of them being secretly killed off).
NO need for a MKVI then!! :cool:
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Extract from the Evo newsletter,
The words I was longing to read...
"The GTI arrives next summer" :wink:
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http://dennis.cerosmedia.com/1T48901a8110b9e481.cde
if that works... imotor mag...
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Remember a lot are rumours - they might up the power before then to upset the opposition...
DSG all the way for me.
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so if it is only 211hp on the std GTi, sure then the current ed30 lump wouldnt be used untill maybe the GTi-R with 265 and haldex combination. Do hope they preview the concept car in October in Paris motorshow. Could be a good weekend getaway trip :wink:.
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Everyone leaves a little room for a crazy sales boosting model later on in the product life :nerd:
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I think the mags are quoting 211PS as it fits in with VW reducing there CO2 figures for the mk6 golf over the mk5's. This would meen it uses a version of the new Audi A5 engine that only puts out 154g/km in the A5 so reduces the GTIs tax band and gives people an option of a decent power output with lower tax and co2 output or a full fat 270PS 4WD GTI-R (201g/km).
Makes good sence to me for them to do this rather than limit themselfs with the current Ed30 engine or using the older GTI engine that are ~190g/km and maybe putting some new buyers off in the future years due to the rising cost and scales of road tax price not just here but also other places.
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I think the mags are quoting 211PS as it fits in with VW reducing there CO2 figures for the mk6 golf over the mk5's. This would meen it uses a version of the new Audi A5 engine that only puts out 154g/km in the A5 so reduces the GTIs tax band and gives people an option of a decent power output with lower tax and co2 output or a full fat 270PS 4WD GTI-R.
Makes good sence to me for them to do this rather than limit themselfs with the current Ed30 engine or using the older GTI engine that are ~190g/km and maybe putting some new buyers off in the future years due to the rising cost and scales of road tax price not just here but also other places.
For me, best theory so far
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so if it is only 211hp on the std GTi, sure then the current ed30 lump wouldnt be used untill maybe the GTi-R with 265 and haldex combination.
But they arn't going to be using any variant of the current 2.0TFSI engine in the Mk6. It is the new chain-driven cam lump under the bonnet. The reason for this is that the current lump is a bit of a barsteward to work on, particularly for things like cam belts, water pumps and turbos/exhaust manifolds. The new lump is meant to ease access for these specific areas.
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so if it is only 211hp on the std GTi, sure then the current ed30 lump wouldnt be used untill maybe the GTi-R with 265 and haldex combination.
But they arn't going to be using any variant of the current 2.0TFSI engine in the Mk6. It is the new chain-driven cam lump under the bonnet. The reason for this is that the current lump is a bit of a barsteward to work on, particularly for things like cam belts, water pumps and turbos/exhaust manifolds. The new lump is meant to ease access for these specific areas.
I cant see this as the reason for them changing an engine. Surely VW are not concerned with making a mechanics work a little easier.
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so if it is only 211hp on the std GTi, sure then the current ed30 lump wouldnt be used untill maybe the GTi-R with 265 and haldex combination.
But they arn't going to be using any variant of the current 2.0TFSI engine in the Mk6. It is the new chain-driven cam lump under the bonnet. The reason for this is that the current lump is a bit of a barsteward to work on, particularly for things like cam belts, water pumps and turbos/exhaust manifolds. The new lump is meant to ease access for these specific areas.
I cant see this as the reason for them changing an engine. Surely VW are not concerned with making a mechanics work a little easier.
Your kidding surely? Lower running and maintenance costs = happier customers. Me included! :wink:
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so if it is only 211hp on the std GTi, sure then the current ed30 lump wouldnt be used untill maybe the GTi-R with 265 and haldex combination.
But they arn't going to be using any variant of the current 2.0TFSI engine in the Mk6. It is the new chain-driven cam lump under the bonnet. The reason for this is that the current lump is a bit of a barsteward to work on, particularly for things like cam belts, water pumps and turbos/exhaust manifolds. The new lump is meant to ease access for these specific areas.
I cant see this as the reason for them changing an engine. Surely VW are not concerned with making a mechanics work a little easier.
Your kidding surely? Lower running and maintenance costs = happier customers. Me included! :wink:
better economy is a valid reason.. but making certain parts of the engine easier to reach is surely not. Make the thing properly in the first instance, then you dont need to get to these bit = happy customers
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Cant see 211 hp.It.l surely have at least 230 the standard GTI that is.The GTI-R is a very intresting deal :cool: 265 S3 challenger, bring it on,i gotta get mysel one of them.
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Cant see 211 hp.It.l surely have at least 230 the standard GTI that is.The GTI-R is a very intresting deal :cool: 265 S3 challenger, bring it on,i gotta get mysel one of them.
....Different engine, mate - Read the thread.
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so if it is only 211hp on the std GTi, sure then the current ed30 lump wouldnt be used untill maybe the GTi-R with 265 and haldex combination.
But they arn't going to be using any variant of the current 2.0TFSI engine in the Mk6. It is the new chain-driven cam lump under the bonnet. The reason for this is that the current lump is a bit of a barsteward to work on, particularly for things like cam belts, water pumps and turbos/exhaust manifolds. The new lump is meant to ease access for these specific areas.
I cant see this as the reason for them changing an engine. Surely VW are not concerned with making a mechanics work a little easier.
Your kidding surely? Lower running and maintenance costs = happier customers. Me included! :wink:
better economy is a valid reason.. but making certain parts of the engine easier to reach is surely not. Make the thing properly in the first instance, then you dont need to get to these bit = happy customers
So you don't think that the benefits from changing over from a consumable rubber timing belt, to a maintenance free "fitted for life" timing chain is important for the fleet market?
Nor do you think that changing from a wide, space consuming timing belt, to a narrow space-saving timing chain is not important for the vehicle designers? Without changing the V8 from belts to chains, the current RS4 would not exist. And without utilising the same said timing chain technology, it is doubtful that the current S6 and RS6 would exist either!
I'm sorry, but I think you are being very narrow-minded on this particular issue! :smiley:
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Not all of us here are independent vehicle technicians that drive RS4's...
Play nicely. :angry:
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a maintenance free "fitted for life" timing chain
:grin: watch your tongue doesn't poke a hole in the side of your cheek with that one!
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Im not in denial about it happening.. However if you were to say it increases performance/economy/cost of manufacture or something along those lines then I would agree. But all your telling me is that they are changing it so its easier to work on. Surely if its going to have "fitted for life timing chain" then why would they need to make this part of the engine easier to access??
As for a timing belt benifiting the fleet market.. From what I know about the fleet market, not many of them are around for long enough to warrant an new timing belt.
I am not saying I know much on the subject.. in fact quite the opposite. But I know my fair share about business, if I was the CEO of VW and my head engine development team told me the reason to introduce a new engine was because the current one is slightly difficult to work on certain areas... then Im sure you know where I would tell you to go! :drool: Give me any of the reasons above... and I will listen, but not to make a mechanic or tech's life a little easier.
In addition to which I would they would be cutting off another of the reoccuring revenue streams of their many dealerships. Just my view on things as head of VW :nerd: :smiley:
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a maintenance free "fitted for life" timing chain
:grin: watch your tongue doesn't poke a hole in the side of your cheek with that one!
LOL, yes, it's not unknown for chains to let go - but they usually give you pleanty of warning! :tongue:
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Im not in denial about it happening.. However if you were to say it increases performance/economy/cost of manufacture or something along those lines then I would agree. But all your telling me is that they are changing it so its easier to work on. Surely if its going to have "fitted for life timing chain" then why would they need to make this part of the engine easier to access??
OK, look at it another way. On the current Mk5 GTI engine, the timing belt is a real ba$tard to change, because the position of the non-removable top engine mount. Now, someone down the line of said GTI ownership WILL have to pay for the belt to be changed. Maybe not the first owner, maybe not a fleet owner - someone, somewhere down the line will. Now, easy jobs can be done quicky, attracting cheap labour costs - whereas difficult jobs invariably take longer, hence greater labour costs. Now, those "potential", or future costs will have a "reverse" effect, by filtering upwards (for want of a better phrase) and denting trade-in or 2nd hand values. People will naturally make price adjustments if they know about an upcomming high maintenance item. It is this same issue which plagues V6 Vectra prices!
Now, to combat the timing belt maintenance costs issue, VW decide to get rid of. Fine, but they need another way of driving the cams - gears?? Maybe, but a bit overkill on a straight four - chains?? Yup, they work fine on the latest V8 and V10, and the Japs have been using chains for years on their high revving bikes (my CBR6 red lines at 14,000 rpm, and still sounds sweet). As an added bonus of using chains, they are both physically smaller (which pleases car designers, who are always thankful of having more space to play with), and are (generally) maintenance free, which keeps users happy.
As for a timing belt benifiting the fleet market.. From what I know about the fleet market, not many of them are around for long enough to warrant an new timing belt.
Fairy-nuff. Many fleets get rid of just before any "biggie" services are due, but this still has a knock-on effect at denting residuals.
And you still have to keep private buyers happy! :tongue:
I am not saying I know much on the subject.. in fact quite the opposite. But I know my fair share about business, if I was the CEO of VW and my head engine development team told me the reason to introduce a new engine was because the current one is slightly difficult to work on certain areas... then Im sure you know where I would tell you to go! :drool: Give me any of the reasons above... and I will listen, but not to make a mechanic or tech's life a little easier.
OK, yup. In it's most simplistic way, it would seem daft to develop a "new" engine. But in reality, it is probably the same block but a different head. Secondly, the VW Group, like most automotive companies, are a company which likes to showcase its new technologies - look at the Veyron, or R8, or Bentley Continental GT, or the Lambo Revention. And finally, VW want to "please" their "customers" - VW wont want owners b!tching away because of nightmare maintenance issues - and cam-belt changes have been a general bug-bear for some time now.
In addition to which I would they would be cutting off another of the reoccuring revenue streams of their many dealerships. Just my view on things as head of VW :nerd: :smiley:
Erm, that is called "evolution". :wink:
Just because you no longer need a wheelwright to "tune" the spokes on your wire wheels - hasn't made car companies and stealerships go out of business. Same goes for changing contact breaker points, condensors and HT leads, or cleaning float chambers on carbs, or oiling SU dashpots.
At the end of the day, stealerships will ALWAYS find new ways of making money. To take VW as a specific example, they "champion" this "LongLife" servcing regime, on the promise that your car won't need servicing for 2 years or 20k miles, yet every time you go into the stealerships, they are either pushing "specials" such as "winter service", "holiday service", "air con service", etc, etc. And no matter how good we'd like to think our beloved, high quality german engineered cars are, they always do well with warranty work. Owners still need spares, be they for routine maintenance, a bottle of top-up oil, some mudflaps, headlamp beam benders, a new mobile fone cradle, etc. And finally, accidents still do happen. Accident damage repairs are an absolute huge area in the motor trade, and even if the main stealer doesn't actually get the physical repair job (instead going to an insurance "select repairer" type), the main stealer will still get to supply all the body panels, broken headlamps, radiator grilles, etc - because UK auto insurance states that only genuine OEM parts are used, even if it is repaired in say the Nationwide body centre.
HTH, :smiley:
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Accident damage repairs are an absolute huge area in the motor trade, and even if the main stealer doesn't actually get the physical repair job (instead going to an insurance "select repairer" type), the main stealer will still get to supply all the body panels, broken headlamps, radiator grilles, etc - because UK auto insurance states that only genuine OEM parts are used, even if it is repaired in say the Nationwide body centre.
....Hence why my VW dealership has a large Accident Repair Centre literally next door as an affiliated but autonomous company. Fortunately I'm well in with both! :smiley:
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Any idea how much they a new cam belt costs on the GTI ? A little OT I know but got me wondering...
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Im not in denial about it happening.. However if you were to say it increases performance/economy/cost of manufacture or something along those lines then I would agree. But all your telling me is that they are changing it so its easier to work on. Surely if its going to have "fitted for life timing chain" then why would they need to make this part of the engine easier to access??
OK, look at it another way. On the current Mk5 GTI engine, the timing belt is a real ba$tard to change, because the position of the non-removable top engine mount. Now, someone down the line of said GTI ownership WILL have to pay for the belt to be changed. Maybe not the first owner, maybe not a fleet owner - someone, somewhere down the line will. Now, easy jobs can be done quicky, attracting cheap labour costs - whereas difficult jobs invariably take longer, hence greater labour costs. Now, those "potential", or future costs will have a "reverse" effect, by filtering upwards (for want of a better phrase) and denting trade-in or 2nd hand values. People will naturally make price adjustments if they know about an upcomming high maintenance item. It is this same issue which plagues V6 Vectra prices!
Now, to combat the timing belt maintenance costs issue, VW decide to get rid of. Fine, but they need another way of driving the cams - gears?? Maybe, but a bit overkill on a straight four - chains?? Yup, they work fine on the latest V8 and V10, and the Japs have been using chains for years on their high revving bikes (my CBR6 red lines at 14,000 rpm, and still sounds sweet). As an added bonus of using chains, they are both physically smaller (which pleases car designers, who are always thankful of having more space to play with), and are (generally) maintenance free, which keeps users happy.
As for a timing belt benifiting the fleet market.. From what I know about the fleet market, not many of them are around for long enough to warrant an new timing belt.
Fairy-nuff. Many fleets get rid of just before any "biggie" services are due, but this still has a knock-on effect at denting residuals.
And you still have to keep private buyers happy! :tongue:
I am not saying I know much on the subject.. in fact quite the opposite. But I know my fair share about business, if I was the CEO of VW and my head engine development team told me the reason to introduce a new engine was because the current one is slightly difficult to work on certain areas... then Im sure you know where I would tell you to go! :drool: Give me any of the reasons above... and I will listen, but not to make a mechanic or tech's life a little easier.
OK, yup. In it's most simplistic way, it would seem daft to develop a "new" engine. But in reality, it is probably the same block but a different head. Secondly, the VW Group, like most automotive companies, are a company which likes to showcase its new technologies - look at the Veyron, or R8, or Bentley Continental GT, or the Lambo Revention. And finally, VW want to "please" their "customers" - VW wont want owners b!tching away because of nightmare maintenance issues - and cam-belt changes have been a general bug-bear for some time now.
In addition to which I would they would be cutting off another of the reoccuring revenue streams of their many dealerships. Just my view on things as head of VW :nerd: :smiley:
Erm, that is called "evolution". :wink:
Just because you no longer need a wheelwright to "tune" the spokes on your wire wheels - hasn't made car companies and stealerships go out of business. Same goes for changing contact breaker points, condensors and HT leads, or cleaning float chambers on carbs, or oiling SU dashpots.
At the end of the day, stealerships will ALWAYS find new ways of making money. To take VW as a specific example, they "champion" this "LongLife" servcing regime, on the promise that your car won't need servicing for 2 years or 20k miles, yet every time you go into the stealerships, they are either pushing "specials" such as "winter service", "holiday service", "air con service", etc, etc. And no matter how good we'd like to think our beloved, high quality german engineered cars are, they always do well with warranty work. Owners still need spares, be they for routine maintenance, a bottle of top-up oil, some mudflaps, headlamp beam benders, a new mobile fone cradle, etc. And finally, accidents still do happen. Accident damage repairs are an absolute huge area in the motor trade, and even if the main stealer doesn't actually get the physical repair job (instead going to an insurance "select repairer" type), the main stealer will still get to supply all the body panels, broken headlamps, radiator grilles, etc - because UK auto insurance states that only genuine OEM parts are used, even if it is repaired in say the Nationwide body centre.
HTH, :smiley:
Cheers TT i knew there was a much more complex answer in there somewhere! Its a shame the general concensus is that VW should stick with the current 2.0 lump... It seems to do the job fine.. but then again when have the boffs at VW listened to the owners! (you dont have to answer that)
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Any idea how much they a new cam belt costs on the GTI ? A little OT I know but got me wondering...
Dunno, the kits at trade price are very reasonable, but the retail price, and the labour will be a bit of stinger.
I think you should volenteer, and be the first forum member to ask! :wink:
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The design has grown on me and the standard (non-GTI) version looks far better than the Mk5. Also the list of equipment is very good - anyone notice that amazing camera popping out of the rear hatch VW badge? Thats will probably be a popular mod for the Mk5 guys (I'm sure I have seen it done already though). Only thing is that I don't think the GTI will make a splash like the Mk5 did because:
1. The Mk5 GTI is an awesome car whereas when the Mk5 GTI came on the scene it was compared to the Mk3 and Mk4's - enough said.
2. 211hp - if true - doesn't sound much better than 197hp and so not as good as an Ed30
3. The GTI-R will overshadow it - again if it is really coming out
Although the GTI will feature ACC, us Mk5 boys can match that in handling terms by fitting aftermarket suspension. It might well be worth waiting for the GTI-R and that should be an awesome car - 350hp modded 4-wheel GTI anyone :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
As nice as the GTI-R sounds however, I'll be keeping my Ed30, re-mapping it, adding exhaust and other bits and pieces and hopefully putting in a deposit for a real performace beast, the GT-R, within the next few weeks.
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Although the GTI will feature ACC, us Mk5 boys can match that in handling terms by fitting aftermarket suspension.
....My thoughts exactly when I first read the info. ACC sounds too much like a compromise - When on earth would I ever want to set it to anything other than Sports!? And then, is that Sports setting good enough?
As for DCC (Distance Control) - Yuk!! :sick:
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had press release emailed to me last thursday..
looks sweet from front, although a bit too like the scirocco..
not sure on the back end though, those rear lights look a bit odd... :huh:
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....I don't like those rear lights at all either - They look like a mistake! A strange overlap.
But let's not forget that we are looking at the bog standard basic Golf Mk6 and the basic Mk5 is no beauty either (imo).
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I forgot..
4. The Mk6 in standard guise looks a lot better than the Mk5, so the Mk6 GTI probably won't stand out as much compared to the standard Mk6. I reckon the Mk5 in standard form looks as :sick: as the Mk5 GTI looks :drool: :drool: :drool: - the front grill, slightly more beaky front and clear headlights make all the difference. I remember when the Mk5 GTI first came out - it had an aura about it that not many cars on the road had. On the rare occasioins when one was seen on the road, a lot of people would just stop and stare at it - including me - almost as if a Ferrari or some other exotic supercar was driving past them. I even remember staying at the Celtic Manor in Wales once and stopped at the reception when an Aston Martin DB9 parked up behind me. When I came out, guess which car was surrounded by the porters and bell-boys? No, it wasn't the Aston Martin. I really don't think the Mk6 will pull this off like the Mk5 did, coming in after 12 years of disappointing GTIs with a truely modern equivalent of the Mk1/2 that captured their magic. This doesn't apply to the TSI models which look ok.
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....^Agreed :smiley:
The MK5 GT is obviously a good car but somehow doesn't have that road presence which the GTI has - It's a lot to do with body styling (and a pretty face).
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2. 211hp - if true - doesn't sound much better than 197hp and so not as good as an Ed30
3. The GTI-R will overshadow it - again if it is really coming out
2: The 211PS fits in with VW reducing there CO2 figures for the mk6 golf over the mk5's. If its a version of the engine i think it is it will put out less than 154g/km so reduces the GTIs tax band and gives people an option of a decent power output with lower tax and co2 output or a full fat 270PS 4WD GTI-R (201g/km).
Makes good sence to me for them to do both rather than limit themselfs with the current Ed30 engine or using the older GTI engine that are ~190g/km and maybe putting some new buyers off in the future years due to the rising cost/scales of road tax price the goverments only going to keep upping them in the coming years not just here but also other places.
3: The R32 does not currently over shaddow the GTI. Granted we are talking about an S3 in Golf cloths but again some would say it does not overshadow the GTI either. It all depends on your priority's. Power is not everything.
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I am affraid the way the weather has been over the last 2yrs.. I would not purchase a Golf unless it came with 4wd and atleast 230bhp!
Even now as I speak its absolutely pi$$ing it down!! Not happy with this country right now :angry:
Cr4pSh1tPi$$Cr4pSh1tPi$$Cr4pSh1tPi$$Cr4pSh1tPi$$Cr4pSh1tPi$$Cr4pSh1tPi$$!!
Sorry.. outburst over :undecided:
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2. 211hp - if true - doesn't sound much better than 197hp and so not as good as an Ed30
3. The GTI-R will overshadow it - again if it is really coming out
2: The 211PS fits in with VW reducing there CO2 figures for the mk6 golf over the mk5's. If its a version of the engine i think it is it will put out less than 154g/km so reduces the GTIs tax band and gives people an option of a decent power output with lower tax and co2 output or a full fat 270PS 4WD GTI-R (201g/km).
Makes good sence to me for them to do both rather than limit themselfs with the current Ed30 engine or using the older GTI engine that are ~190g/km and maybe putting some new buyers off in the future years due to the rising cost/scales of road tax price the goverments only going to keep upping them in the coming years not just here but also other places.
3: The R32 does not currently over shaddow the GTI. Granted we are talking about an S3 in Golf cloths but again some would say it does not overshadow the GTI either. It all depends on your priority's. Power is not everything.
I understand what you are saying but this is a GTI after all... the last time VW went 'green' with the GTI was when they produced the Mk3 and we all know how that ended up. At the end of the day, if its low emissions you want, then buy a GT with a TSI engine in it. I know GTIs are also meant to be practical, but surely not at the expense of performance.
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Well said illyun! If you want economy... buy a bike :cool:
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2. 211hp - if true - doesn't sound much better than 197hp and so not as good as an Ed30
3. The GTI-R will overshadow it - again if it is really coming out
2: The 211PS fits in with VW reducing there CO2 figures for the mk6 golf over the mk5's. If its a version of the engine i think it is it will put out less than 154g/km so reduces the GTIs tax band and gives people an option of a decent power output with lower tax and co2 output or a full fat 270PS 4WD GTI-R (201g/km).
Makes good sence to me for them to do both rather than limit themselfs with the current Ed30 engine or using the older GTI engine that are ~190g/km and maybe putting some new buyers off in the future years due to the rising cost/scales of road tax price the goverments only going to keep upping them in the coming years not just here but also other places.
3: The R32 does not currently over shaddow the GTI. Granted we are talking about an S3 in Golf cloths but again some would say it does not overshadow the GTI either. It all depends on your priority's. Power is not everything.
I understand what you are saying but this is a GTI after all... the last time VW went 'green' with the GTI was when they produced the Mk3 and we all know how that ended up. At the end of the day, if its low emissions you want, then buy a GT with a TSI engine in it. I know GTIs are also meant to be practical, but surely not at the expense of performance.
....None of us want the performance of a future GTI to be compromised - Most of us want quite the opposite!! But unfortunately the car manufacturing climate of today is different from in the day of the Mk3 - Governments throughout Europe and the World are pressurising and legislating the car manufacturers to go 'green'. That's all very well as long as there remains a choice of performance cars as well as those sewing-machines on castor wheels.
What particularly annoys me is that 'Dust-to-Dust' isn't taken into account when assessing the eco-friendliness of cars - That would give far more realistic data and a more truthful picture of how eco-friendly a car is. The fecking Toyota Pious is about 86th in the DtoD list!
Technology, and car design, never stands still and continues to evolve - All that's happening is that it's as usual doing so subject to a number of conditions and factors. The ideal is to produce a car with both real performance and eco-friendliness and still be fun to drive with a decent exhaust sound! I hate silent cars!
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Some good shots here of the new MKVI:
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080908.002/volkswagen-golf-mk6-arrives-in-iceland-ahead-of-unveiling (http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080908.002/volkswagen-golf-mk6-arrives-in-iceland-ahead-of-unveiling)
(http://img.worldcarfans.com/US/2008/9/8/9080908.002/9080908.002.Mini3L.jpg)
I'm starting to like it a lot, though the rear lights still don't work imo.
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Off to Berlin the week after next to drive, will let you all know my thoughts upon my return :smiley:
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doesnt it more look like a mk4 then the mk5!. at the rear it does imo. front you can see the scirrocco a mile off with those lights and lower grill.
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That kind of disappoints me with VAG (Audi particularly). I realise that manufacturers rely on visual cues to tie their whole range together, but to basically use the same lights and grill across a number of ranges just seems lazy, and does nothing to help a brands individuality.
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Some good shots here of the new MKVI:
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080908.002/volkswagen-golf-mk6-arrives-in-iceland-ahead-of-unveiling (http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080908.002/volkswagen-golf-mk6-arrives-in-iceland-ahead-of-unveiling)
(http://img.worldcarfans.com/US/2008/9/8/9080908.002/9080908.002.Mini3L.jpg)
I'm starting to like it a lot, though the rear lights still don't work imo.
This is just BAD PRESS!!!!!!
The MK6 is not for sale here in iceland! Its here fore Premiere for the Press.
The Paris Premiere is for the people..
And They STOLE my PIC!!!!!!!!
http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2825&posted=1#post2825 <--- Orginal post from me.
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I think if you had a Scirroco and MK6 Golf parked next to each other they wouldn't look that similar. Manufacturer's tend to all have some kind of DNA they will inject into every new model, until the 'new' look comes along. Manufacturer's like people to be able to instanlty recognise a brand, with or without badging. It just so happens VW are going through a DNA change currently and eventualy we will all get used to it! :smiley:
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Some good shots here of the new MKVI:
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080908.002/volkswagen-golf-mk6-arrives-in-iceland-ahead-of-unveiling (http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080908.002/volkswagen-golf-mk6-arrives-in-iceland-ahead-of-unveiling)
(http://img.worldcarfans.com/US/2008/9/8/9080908.002/9080908.002.Mini3L.jpg)
I'm starting to like it a lot, though the rear lights still don't work imo.
This is just BAD PRESS!!!!!!
The MK6 is not for sale here in iceland! Its here fore Premiere for the Press.
The Paris Premiere is for the people..
And They STOLE my PIC!!!!!!!!
http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2825&posted=1#post2825 <--- Orginal post from me.
:rolleyes:
yeah right
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Some good shots here of the new MKVI:
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080908.002/volkswagen-golf-mk6-arrives-in-iceland-ahead-of-unveiling (http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080908.002/volkswagen-golf-mk6-arrives-in-iceland-ahead-of-unveiling)
(http://img.worldcarfans.com/US/2008/9/8/9080908.002/9080908.002.Mini3L.jpg)
I'm starting to like it a lot, though the rear lights still don't work imo.
This is just BAD PRESS!!!!!!
The MK6 is not for sale here in iceland! Its here fore Premiere for the Press.
The Paris Premiere is for the people..
And They STOLE my PIC!!!!!!!!
http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2825&posted=1#post2825 <--- Orginal post from me.
If they stole your pics send them an invoice for £50 a shot. They may well pay up.
As for the car, it's growing on me. Certainly looks better in these shots than it did in the press pack pics. THe rear end is still too MPV and not enough hatch though.
Nick
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Some good shots here of the new MKVI:
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080908.002/volkswagen-golf-mk6-arrives-in-iceland-ahead-of-unveiling (http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080908.002/volkswagen-golf-mk6-arrives-in-iceland-ahead-of-unveiling)
(http://img.worldcarfans.com/US/2008/9/8/9080908.002/9080908.002.Mini3L.jpg)
I'm starting to like it a lot, though the rear lights still don't work imo.
This is just BAD PRESS!!!!!!
The MK6 is not for sale here in iceland! Its here fore Premiere for the Press.
The Paris Premiere is for the people..
And They STOLE my PIC!!!!!!!!
http://www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2825&posted=1#post2825 <--- Orginal post from me.
:rolleyes:
yeah right
Just chek the dates smart guy!
My first post : 08-29-2008, 11:53 AM and Last edited by Disturbed; 09-02-2008 at 05:33 PM.
My second: 09-02-2008, 05:26 PM and No edited
The article: September 8, 2008 11:03 AM by Clinton Deacon
IF You find an older post then my post then let me know.
And the say "Source: golfmk6" thats link to my post. (didn´t see that first time).
they got 21 pic frome me so i know of.
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ok from smart guy, go su the Magizine for copyright if you are that upset.
Found this from mk6. If this is the real deal, this looks promising....................
though does look abit photoshop!
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s264/philmcavity/gti6.jpg)
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i dont get the whole press stolen photos thing??? did you take all those pics yourself?? :shocked: :shocked:
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ok from smart guy, go su the Magizine for copyright if you are that upset.
Found this from mk6. If this is the real deal, this looks promising....................
though does look abit photoshop!
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s264/philmcavity/gti6.jpg)
where are the stupid day running lights a-la-Audi? They will be there :sick:, so this is photoshop
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If the red grill piping is so close together like this photo, then i don't really rate it! Prefer the deeper Mk5 grill shape.
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they are on, in the headlights!! they dont have to be strips like audi. also those triangle things are ment to be fogs :shocked:
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I wouldn't pay too much attention to that pic as it's some hack's best guess! :wink:
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i dont get the whole press stolen photos thing??? did you take all those pics yourself?? :shocked: :shocked:
yes i took all the photos they got of the MK6 here in iceland.
The GTi i know nothing about (i would say photoshop).
The main thing aboud this article is that the MK6 Is not for sale here in iceland but VW is premiere it for the press next 3 weeks, then it will be premiere for the people in Paris in oktober and the market some time after that.
The main thing is that the Story is WRONG.
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That blue phottshop pic is funny - the guy driving it looks well funny!
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That blue phottshop pic is funny - the guy driving it looks well funny!
yes he's really driving a mobility scooter!
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Interior looks VERY VERY similar to that of the MK5, not a big difference. Look at the interior of a MK4 and a MK5 and they are worlds apart. I am liking the front but like many others on here still very much undecided about the rear. Saying that tho, I think a standard MK5 is pretty boring, GTI is a diffrent league visually so going to reserve my judgement until I see a MK6 GTI.
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....I agree with Alan on this one - Am reserving my judgement.
Let's face it guys, we're really only interested in what the Mk6 GTI (and hopefully GTI-R later) is like. :afro:
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Same here, will wait to see one in the flesh and then decide
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FYI
http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Volkswagen-Golf-2.0-TDI-140/234940/
MARK 6 tested already released early 08,
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I think the interior looks great, may be even up to Audi standards if the quality is right.
(http://img.worldcarfans.com/US/2008/9/8/3080908.001/1027big.jpg)
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Makes good sence to me for them to do both rather than limit themselfs with the current Ed30 engine or using the older GTI engine that are ~190g/km and maybe putting some new buyers off in the future years due to the rising cost/scales of road tax price the goverments only going to keep upping them in the coming years not just here but also other places.
Erm, the GTI and the Ed30 are of identical design and construction. The Ed30 just has a few different bolt-on bits, such as a bigger turbo and a few other bits - so how can you say the GTI engine is "older"? :rolleyes: :smug:
3: The R32 does not currently over shaddow the GTI. Granted we are talking about an S3 in Golf cloths but again some would say it does not overshadow the GTI either. It all depends on your priority's. Power is not everything.
Not really, the R32 uses the very outdated VR6 lump, which has shocking emissions, compared to the much newer 2.0TFSI 4-pot in the S3.
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FYI
http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Volkswagen-Golf-2.0-TDI-140/234940/
MARK 6 tested already released early 08,
Doubt it. This latest Golf most definately aint a "Mark 6" - more like a Mk5.5. Because it has an identical floorpan, and identical suspension layout. It even uses the identical firewall to the Mk5s. :rolleyes:
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from the side it is identicle to a mk5 :huh: :huh:
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I think the interior looks great, may be even up to Audi standards if the quality is right.
(http://img.worldcarfans.com/US/2008/9/8/3080908.001/1027big.jpg)
That steering wheel, a/c controls etc are in the new Passat CC which do feel really nice and are an improvement over the outgoing. The one thing I would say is the a/c controls are not as easy to read/use as the current ones. Just seem a bit fussier!?!? :smiley:
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Hello guys
I have not read then entire thread... But found this in depth article...
http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/vortex_news/article_2459.shtml
An interesting read. Sorry if its a repost.
Mike
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I don't know how I feel about the lack of visual design progression. I think that often when new cars are released you expect something radical to announce to the world that it is NEW! But then again, I imagine the large majority of people here have bought the Golf because of it's restrained, some might say classy, looks. But how pissed off would you have been if you ended up with a cabin like the Honda Civic!
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But how pissed off would you have been if you ended up with a cabin like the Honda Civic!
CTR (not so much imo), ST and VXR are all miles away as far as interiors go than the GTI imo.
Not sat in the hot Megan so wouldt know but its french so I wouldnt hold my breath.
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I agree with TT, the mk6 looks to be an improved Mk5 (mk5 must have been good!) - completely different from the mk3->mk4->mk5 jumps.
I do hope they keep the flat bottomed steering wheel for the GTI model
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But how pissed off would you have been if you ended up with a cabin like the Honda Civic!
CTR (not so much imo), ST and VXR are all miles away as far as interiors go than the GTI imo.
Not sat in the hot Megan so wouldt know but its french so I wouldnt hold my breath.
Had a megane... total and utter useless crap!! Golf is 10x better interior... apart from the head rests! The head rests on the megane are some of the most comfortable ever.. esp for power naps. Not sure how safe they are tho :undecided:
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http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Volkswagen-Golf-2.0-TDI-140/234940/
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Bit more info .... sorry if this has already been posted.
http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/09/09/2009-volkswagen-golf-collectors-edition-concept/