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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: MrDan on 02 August 2008, 14:52
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hi guys,
bought my 3rd mk3 this morning as a runaround, P reg, average cond 100k - £500
as it has THE problem (cutting out)
as iv managed to fix my other two i thought id be ok, the chap i got it off changed the dizzy, leads, and no 30 relay. got the car halfway home before it cut out and refused to start again. iv spent an hour looking for someone with the same symptoms but just wondering if anyone can help my with my problem solving
the car sounds a bit weak starting from cold but it does start and runs fine, then the oil hit 68c (co - incidence??) there was allot of clicking from the relays and it died, when i tried to start it again sometimes it would die after 4 -secs or sometimes mch longer.. to the same cload of clicking.
Relay 30 is warm,
towed the car home and left it to cool, back to square one. i was just thinking if its elecrical should the temperature matter
hopfully get VAG-COM on it this week but just looking for any more pointers before i start replacing sensors willy nilly
previous owner has had the alarm removed as he belived that was the problem. the fuse box does look a little of a mess
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I'd probably replace the usual relay suspects to start with, then start looking at Cam shaft Sensor.
VAG COM would be best though!
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throttle housing is your problem. Mine had the same problem since i bought it in november last year. I changed two relays, ignition coil, plugs, temperature sensor i was at the end of my tether. I was told and read up about the throttle housing body. I removed the air filter hose going into the throttle housing sprayed some carb cleaner in and as i did the butterfly closed. I held the butterfly open while spraying carb cleaner in and used a toothbrush just to scrub around. The amount of black rubbish that came out was shocking. The car took a while to start cause of the carb cleaner but what a difference. No more stalling and no more worrying about it stalling.
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cheers guys, going picking lead up shortly i will post my findings on the hope i can be of help to someone else!
i thought about the butterfly but how would this cause the ECU to decide to cut the engine, as it can happly happen at 3.5k RPM??
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two problems show up on vag-com
00513 - Engine Speed Sensor - signal outside specifications - intermittent
00515 Camshaft position sensor (HALL) Sensor G40 - signal outside specifications - intermittent
Cleared them and they came streight back!!! - also car wont start today!!! haha
i love my golf!!
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camshaft sensor will be your non starting problem then !
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Hi,
Check the wires to your crank speed sender ( under oil filter area ) if they are cracked, the sender needs changing..... the hall sender one comes up as it needs crank sender and hall sender signals to match for T.D.C to start.
Jochen.
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Hi,
Check the wires to your crank speed sender ( under oil filter area ) if they are cracked, the sender needs changing..... the hall sender one comes up as it needs crank sender and hall sender signals to match for T.D.C to start.
Jochen.
Cheers Saffa,
That makes sense, iv looked at the wire i dosent seem cracked just dissapears off behind the oil filter, i take it you have to remove the filter to change the sender?
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Before you fork out more cash, i would recommend check the timing first.
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Literally just being through this ever so common dilema myself, it's unbelievable how many threads on the internet regarding this super irritating problem that mk3 Golf's tend to aquire.
After many weeks of itimitent breaking down i went through the list of things to replace and check that so many other owners have listed, these include in this order :
1. Checked and cleaned out throttle body.
2. Replaced vacumn hose.
3. Replaced ignition leads, distributor cap, rotor and plugs.
4. Tested coil aginst a brand new one.
5. Replaced ECU and fuel relays.
6. Replaced temperature sender.
7. And finally after chatting with several garages and in forums i whittled it down to the bloody crank impulse / speed sender.
This was done last friday afternoon and so far so good (fingers crossed), on initial inspection the sender & cable appeared to be ok but once i started to move it around when removing it from the block it literally crumbled in my hands to reveal several rather corroded and contacting wires, apparently it's a very common heat deterition fault as it runs against the engine and over a hot water pipe.
Hope this helps you out as i know what a f**king pain it can be !!!
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is it an easy job to change that sensor over?? im having similar problems and have been hitting my head against a brick wall for a month! also how much?
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Yep!
i think it comes down to one of those things! iv just had a second look tonight and the wire to the crank sensor is cracked!! so hopfully pick one up from GSF tomorrow and as iv done almost everything else on the list and VAG com says its the crank sensor i have visions of it coming to life!!!
once you get the oil filter off is it an easy swap?
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Yeah it didn't take long at all, apparently with the right tools and uber patience it can be done with the front engine mount / starter motor bracket in place but i found it a lot easier just to whip it off whilst supporting the sump with a jack.
Just be careful to clean the old sender and surrounding area of the block as you dont want to ruin the allen socket / thread or knock any crap inside your engine. It's a doddle, seriously. :smiley:
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hey, sorry to hijack the thread...
but im having the same problems, its doing my head in!
all the vac pipes are fine, im almost sure on this, lol
its had new plugs,
before i spend any more im considering the relay option as i can get these from my local scrappy cheap,
so what no. relays are the ones to change??
saw no. 30... any more??
cheers guys!!
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just to back up any similar issues,
i was suffering the usual issues, changed and cleaned the lot! whipped i new crankshaft sensor in and all good! still have a bit of a wobbly idle but its not cutting out! that was 4000 miles ago!
think i paid £60 for the sensor and volksmania nr bath kindly fitted it for 20 notes! bargain!
for some reason it seems this problem only effects P reg gti's, i persume it must be the AGG engines where all fitted with this sensor which is a weak point?
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For the record mine is a 96 AGG that i changed the sensor on.
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ok, after making a tit of myself on another thread thanks to mobile internet, would that list be a reasonable one for a 2e engine ('93 8v gti) also, i guess so but im at that stage of losing hope when ya spend hours pissing around with the un-greatful sod and it still doesn't work, lol.
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Yes mate, that list i made will apply to any of the mk3 8valvers
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ok, fair enough, thought id check before i spend more money on things that wont sort it out!
thanks for answering my question!
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Sorry To ressurect this! One year of happy motoring later shes died again! im just struggling to remember.
Vag com is reporting Camshaft Position Sensor (Hall) G40 out of range - intermittent.
Is this the sensor behind the oil filter I changed last year or is this a different one?!?!
Cheers guys :-)
Dan
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If i remember rightly the hall sensor is inside the the distributor.