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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: Ashmond on 24 April 2008, 10:58
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Anybody done this, what did you have to upgrade apart from the following:
turbo
downpipe
manifold
injectors
oil & water feeds
When changed over will the car run without a KO4 map? Who is the best person to get a map done by? I have got a map done for my KO3s will the KO4 enough for gentle daily use until the KO4 map is done (a week)
Thanks
I know alot of guys have done it on uk mkiv's just havent signed up to that yet
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im lookin into that as well ash but i will be goin from the k03 not the k03s
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You'll need to do some tweaking with the boost hoses, you'll see why when you offer it all up. Shouldn't be too much of a hassle since you have a custom fmic anyway.
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You'll need to do some tweaking with the boost hoses, you'll see why when you offer it all up. Shouldn't be too much of a hassle since you have a custom fmic anyway.
What do you mean tweaking and which hoses? Will I need to get a new charge pipe made up? Havent got the front mount fitted yet so probably going to do this all in one hit.
Does anybody know about Downpipe, any difficulties there?
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You seen this guide, Ash?
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3562254
Another list of parts, here >>> http://www31.brinkster.com/bmxp/K04-02x/parts.html
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You seen this guide, Ash?
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3562254
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/J-tec3439/Ko4-20%20Install/DSC08036.jpg)
reminds me of the A-Team, was half expecting the car to come out looking like a JCB with some sheet metal on the front :laugh:
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That guide is the nuts! Sweet cheers, I have got all those parts coming, which is good!
Custom code said £450 to remap my car to 280-290 odd brake, that seems like alot to me though if im honest :huh:
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280 is achievable with no cat. Too lazy to read the guide but for that power you ideally want S3 injectors or bigger.
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it'll be worth it tho mate and if IIRC u will be the 1st on here to do!!! :afro:
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That guide is the nuts! Sweet cheers, I have got all those parts coming, which is good!
Custom code said £450 to remap my car to 280-290 odd brake, that seems like alot to me though if im honest :huh:
Does seem a little high - The S3 BAM's usually re-map to 265ish, but I don't know if that's with stock everything else??
Mapped S3's have a real appetite for clutches, though, so you may want to upgrade that if you haven't already?!
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I am doing it 100%, car may be off the road for a week or two (at work during day) but have all the tools, including a welder so dont see it being much of a problem tbh!
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ash, read your pm's :wink:
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Seriously want to do this, need a new exhaust & a FMIC first though.
Ash, where did you get you intercooler?
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Seriously want to do this, need a new exhaust & a FMIC first though.
Ash, where did you get you intercooler?
Look on ebay they're about £270
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Anybody done this, what did you have to upgrade apart from the following:
turbo
downpipe
manifold
injectors
oil & water feeds
When changed over will the car run without a KO4 map? Who is the best person to get a map done by? I have got a map done for my KO3s will the KO4 enough for gentle daily use until the KO4 map is done (a week)
Thanks
I know alot of guys have done it on uk mkiv's just havent signed up to that yet
Found this ash mate:
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3562254
****EDIT******
Already posted by ivor dohhhhh :grin: :embarassed:
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Seriously want to do this, need a new exhaust & a FMIC first though.
Ash, where did you get you intercooler?
Look on ebay they're about £270
Do you mean This One? (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/B-New-Golf-Jetta-Mk-4-1-8T-Front-Mount-Intercooler-Kit_W0QQitemZ350049892416QQihZ022QQcategoryZ72205QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
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im not planning any huge engine mods at all, i jus want it lookin nice and quick enough, but i'd looooove a fromt mount :smug:
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Seriously want to do this, need a new exhaust & a FMIC first though.
Ash, where did you get you intercooler?
Look on ebay they're about £270
Do you mean This One? (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/B-New-Golf-Jetta-Mk-4-1-8T-Front-Mount-Intercooler-Kit_W0QQitemZ350049892416QQihZ022QQcategoryZ72205QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Yeah
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Seriously want to do this, need a new exhaust & a FMIC first though.
Ash, where did you get you intercooler?
Look on ebay they're about £270
Do you mean This One? (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/B-New-Golf-Jetta-Mk-4-1-8T-Front-Mount-Intercooler-Kit_W0QQitemZ350049892416QQihZ022QQcategoryZ72205QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Yeah
Thanks
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Just to let everybody know that this has been done this weekend, engine came out, KO3s off and sold, KO4 on and engine back in and running. Tiny setbacks include a small oil leak (from sump - needs new gasket) and a water leak from water feed (needs O-ring) apart from that it works fine and just needs boost pipes made up and a remap 280bhp here I come! Il get some pics up on the project thread when its done :cool:
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nice one mate :)
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cheers Linz, was a pain in the ass to take it out, but got to tidy it up and make it look better! :tongue:
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Ash,
got a guy coming to look at the diesel tomorow, know any 20vT motors for sale? Bout 3.5k budget.
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no but il ask about mate :wink:
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Nice one Ash, proud of ya!! And jealous, but we won't get into that ;)
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Nice work mate. Looks to be a bit of a beast! How much torque is expected? Wonder what all that\ll be like thru the front wheels...much fun i guess! lol
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I've heard that anything over 250bhp through the wrong wheels is a waste.
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Just to let everybody know that this has been done this weekend, engine came out, KO3s off and sold, KO4 on and engine back in and running. Tiny setbacks include a small oil leak (from sump - needs new gasket) and a water leak from water feed (needs O-ring) apart from that it works fine and just needs boost pipes made up and a remap 280bhp here I come! Il get some pics up on the project thread when its done :cool:
Top work fella :cool:
Will defo have to meet now for a passenger ride - once its done of course :grin:
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I've heard that anything over 250bhp through the wrong wheels is a waste.
not when your rolling its not mate ;)
like i said guys I still got a little oil and water leak, bits ordered from the stealers and will be here tomorrow, will be sorted by the weekend, I also just bought a BIG front mount :D
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Just as long as she is finished for Brands this month. Sounds like a right little beats !!!!
Tim, fingers crossed on the old derv going for sale.
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lol she'l be done mate, she is going to be done this weekend ;)
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Just as long as she is finished for Brands this month. Sounds like a right little beats !!!!
Tim, fingers crossed on the old derv going for sale.
It's a guy looking at it that i know from primary school for his GF. So we had a long chat, he has a mk2 16v in his garage as he has a driving ban. He said he may come up to brands with us when he can drive again. He's also trying to source a VR6 lump for it. Well into his VW's as when I used to go to his house he always had a camper and atleast 2 beetles!
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Just as long as she is finished for Brands this month. Sounds like a right little beats !!!!
Tim, fingers crossed on the old derv going for sale.
It's a guy looking at it that i know from primary school for his GF. So we had a long chat, he has a mk2 16v in his garage as he has a driving ban. He said he may come up to brands with us when he can drive again. He's also trying to source a VR6 lump for it. Well into his VW's as when I used to go to his house he always had a camper and atleast 2 beetles!
He offered £3.4k at a push so i let him go in no rush to sell at all.
Apparently he saw a newer one with 78,000 miles GT TDI for £3,300, i told him to go and buy it!
May get a mk3 and put a new engine in after the mk4 gone! Considering options.
Tim
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Nooooo ! Get a MK2 and get Ashs mate to sort you out with a 20v Turbo in it ! Now THAT would be sweet.
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you know about me and the boys :cool: :grin:
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Update! (with pics)
Saturday I went to pick up:
KO4 Turbo (from 225bhp S3) with wastegate
3" s3 maf sensor and housing
upgraded s3 injectors (bigger then standard s3)
3" red forge silicone turbo intake pipe
oil feeds
water lines
mainfold
twin cats and downpipe
brand new magnex decat pipe
all bolts, nuts, gaskets (brand new still in vag packets)
all for £450 off blownturbo off here (top guy)
(http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/2156/spa0488sr0.jpg) (http://"http://imageshack.us")
(http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/696/spa0489we0.jpg) (http://"http://imageshack.us")
Brought it all back then started on taking out the engine again, the front end off with the KO3s waiting to come off:
(http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/8250/spa0490ay9.jpg) (http://"http://imageshack.us")
Did it all day saturday and replaced turbo and had it back in by saturday night. Did all the wiring exhaust/downpipe on sunday as the KO4 has a different downpipe and requires twin cats, so had to take off my standard single cat downpipe (which I only replaced the other week - for sale!) and replaced it with this bad boy:
(http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/5546/spa0493ql8.jpg) (http://"http://imageshack.us")
Put the car back together and then started her up, started 1st time but have got 2 leaks; oil and water, had a look on ETKA and seen the parts we need to order in:
1) need a new gasket for the oil return pipe
2) need a new o-ring for the water feed as the one I had is slightly split.
About 3pm on sunday we stopped and the car had to be moved to my other mates for him to finish off after work as Bangsrallye300+ had to put another car in his garage, here is a pic of me getting towed by Sammy on here to Bens :D
(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3193/spa0494br1.jpg) (http://"http://imageshack.us")
Could have driven it but didnt want to risk running out of oil whilst driving and doing damage!
Once we got to bens I took a few snaps, I also got some hitachi coilpacks as the standard aum bosch ones are weak and blew up with my ko3s so with a ko4 I think they would last about 2 minutes, new red forge intake pipe ties in well with the red hoses and main hose on throttle body. You can also no longer see the KO3s charge pipe but just the bigger manifold for the KO4 B)
(http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/6273/spa0495oz4.jpg) (http://"http://imageshack.us")
(http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/6533/spa0496ar8.jpg) (http://"http://imageshack.us")
My inlet manifold looked really dirty so I said whilst it was there we might as well take it out and i can sand and polish it for when it goes back in, so we did (look how dirty it is now and how mirrorred it came up in the newest post in this thread)
(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3849/spa0501bx9.jpg) (http://"http://imageshack.us")
(http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/707/spa0500rw7.jpg) (http://"http://imageshack.us")
After I get these bits on then new boost pipes will need to be made up for my front mount, fit them and they get a remap and I should be looking at between 280 and 290 bhp.
pics to follow shortly, hopefully will be up and running by thursday, if not definatly this weekend!
I have a stage one remapped immobiliser defeated AUM ecu for sale now along with a standard downpipe, pm me if interested!
280bhp here I come, now even a bigger difference from the initial factory 75 brake it came out with :D
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That's very sweet! Your insurance must cost a bomb?
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A fair bit but hey! Havent told them about the KO4 yet, as its not working
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Nooooo ! Get a MK2 and get Ashs mate to sort you out with a 20v Turbo in it ! Now THAT would be sweet.
thats another idea floating around in my head...
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Id love to listen to the conversation Ash has when he phones up for Insurance:
"On your MK4 Golf, do you have any modifications sir?"
"hummm well, how long have you got?" :D
That is looking sweet as Ash, Im going to be heading down to No-Rice deff on Wednesday, would love to see / drive it (:D) if you can make it mate.
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lol!
Right I need a bit of help people, I need to get the intercooler piping done this weekend but the problem is I cant use a standard piping kit for a KO3 or a KO4 because on the KO4 engines the inlets and whole set ups are different need somewhere that sells silicone couplers; one 'u-bend' with a reducer from 3" to 2", one normal 3" coupler and another small u bend, anybody know anywhere to get these from?
Double fans and gti radiator getting picked up today too, hopefully fmic should arrive today, if it does then we should be rolling by sunday
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www.siliconhoses.com
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does anybody happen to know what size pipe this is off the KO4, need to order pipes but forgot to measure up like a dick!
(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3859/pipesizeig8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Cheers
Ash
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Just in case anybody is interested its 2" :smiley:
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I was close, I had a quite guess to myself at 1.5" but didnt want to say as it was a guess.
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lol!
Intercooler hasnt arrived today :cry: but I have ordered all silicone reducers, elbows and pipes needed so as soon as it arrives I can whack it on, just went and picked up my double fans (1.4 single fan wont cool this for sh!t!) and gti radiator
(http://www.siliconehoses.co.uk/images/elbowreducers.jpg)
(http://www.siliconehoses.co.uk/images/135.jpg)
They dont do them in red so got them in black to keep with me red and black colour scheme :cool:
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Nice work, Ash. :cool:
How much have all the KO4 parts cost you in total, if you don't mind?
Am tempted to go one further myself!!! :wink:
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well includin the front mount (which isnt necessary but makes it easier) so far its cost me £420, thats including the £250 saved when i sold my KO3s, if I didnt sell that I wouldnt have done it. I did already have all the pipework for the front mount from ages ago though
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Ivor you want a GT28RS really, i know you do.. really you do.
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Really want to do this also! i have an agu engine but not sure what parts i need? what is the best turbo to go for?
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Ivor you want a GT28RS really, i know you do.. really you do.
Who, where, how much?..................
Stealth??
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Frount mount finally arrived today:
(sorry for my mate being gay with saveloy)
(http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/561/dsc02130sg8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
looks the tits, i got to admit!
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5259/dsc02132cm7.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/2739/dsc02133gh5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
now just to go back, trial fit it, cut away loads of bumper and then try to plumb it in!
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Your mates a legend haha.
Would look awesome when it's fitted mate, bet you can't wait!
Still on the lookout for a 20vT
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il get some pics up in a minute with the front mount hung (not plumbed in yet) looks f**king awesome
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pics of fitting it, its just hanging at the moment, not plumbed in, we worked out that I need the following to plumb it in properly:
3 x 90 degree silicone elbow bends
3 x 90 degree aluminum elbow bends
1 x silicone reducer elbow (2" to 2 1/2")
This frount mount wouldnt have fitted if my car had air con as standard as the rad for that would have pushed it out. Had to cut out gap for fmic in crash bar but apart from that it was pretty easy, looks good I think.
Debating whether to have the hardpipes showing as in one of the pictures or to have the pipes behind the grills so it doesnt look too boy racer, opinons?
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s105/AshmondJ/DSC02140.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s105/AshmondJ/DSC02141.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s105/AshmondJ/DSC02145.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s105/AshmondJ/DSC02146.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s105/AshmondJ/DSC02148.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s105/AshmondJ/DSC02149.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s105/AshmondJ/DSC02153.jpg)
To hardpipe or not to hardpipe, that is the question!
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s105/AshmondJ/DSC02156.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s105/AshmondJ/DSC02161.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s105/AshmondJ/DSC02171.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s105/AshmondJ/DSC02172.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s105/AshmondJ/DSC02180.jpg)
Once elbows are in then I can drive it!
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i think not to show the pipe . but either way its gonna look really good
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That is looking the dogs bollocks, like before i think looks better with pipes behind the grills!
Very sweet car
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I agree, hide the pipes, looks fantastic though! :)
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spot on install mate
if it was me I'd spray the cooler back too
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Going for pipes hidden if I can!
I do mortgages for a living and as people know its proper slow at the minute so havent had any money to finish this (1st time ever!) hopefully will be getting bits this weekend to finish in time for brands
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Just seen this and am thinking are pipes showing such a bad thing?
(http://www.modifiedcars.com/covercars/large/28_1.jpg)
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Just seen this and am thinking are pipes showing such a bad thing?
(http://www.modifiedcars.com/covercars/large/28_1.jpg)
Yes :)
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the pipes on mine are exposed but only because they we're too big to get behind the grills, im going to get a taller but thinner cooler and set it back slightly
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Just seen this and am thinking are pipes showing such a bad thing?
all well and good until a small child gets sucked into the grill and breaks your intercooler.
personally I'd be worried about damage to the pipes / intercooler from stones and crap on the road.
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Just seen this and am thinking are pipes showing such a bad thing?
all well and good until a small child gets sucked into the grill and breaks your intercooler.
personally I'd be worried about damage to the pipes / intercooler from stones and crap on the road.
ive not had trouble with debris damaging my pipework but they have suffered a bit of corrosion from them being out in the elements
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thats what I think im going to have to do, I have got a load of bends anyway so its not a problem just take off bumper, jubilee clips and then replace with a new one, I am intending to keep them polished anyway like my bay ;)
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Speaking of polish (sorry to hijack) Ash you at Brands next week I take it? (silly question I know). I need to have a little chat about clay baring / detailing of cars.
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next month or next week?
Yeah I should be there, talk to my mate sammy with the silver mk4 G2LFS, he is the cleaning bloke!
By the way everybody if people want inlet manifolds polished or any bits let me know we starting up a little business, we can either take yours and do it or give you a polished one, you give us your one and some dough, let us know
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Yeah I meant next week lol, topman, I shall have words, cheers. (Mk5 is foooooked with swirls :()
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Right, last night all my joins and piping turned up and we fitted it all and made sure it fit, unfortunatly they forgot one straight reducer for the intercooler (left side) so couldnt actually try it out. My battery died whilst we were doing it so only got one snap of when we fitted it all at first. Since then we cut the pipes shorter with a grinder so they are really compact and so they hardly take up any space. I am not going to have the pipes on show as we put the bumper on yesterday and I didnt really like the look as much as I thought I would. We had to cut my bumper so the intercooler fitted and then it got dark so couldnt do anymore. Need to put the jubilees on all the piping, do the electrics from where I replaced the fans, etc and then start her up and then see what problems I've got. I also put the magnex decat on yesterday and will get this taken into account when the map is done. With my cold air feed polished pipe and the rest of the bay polished I think its going to look really good!
Il get more snaps tonight when I go back to try and finish it or at least get closer to driving it again!
(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/3536/spa0289mo1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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Make sure shes good for Wednesday, I love seeing all the new bits on her every month.
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lol! Im gonna try my bestest mate, it all depends on what happens when we turn it on, hopefully there are no leaks/problems when we plug comp in, but then again its me aint it? :grin:
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IS Brands week yesterday?
:smiley: :smiley:
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28th mate!
(sent you a pm by the way)
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28th mate!
(sent you a pm by the way)
Safe :smiley: