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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: Diluxe on 20 April 2008, 19:52
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Hi All,
I've put the mk2 in the garage till i've got time & money to finish of its its abf conversion & bought 73K mile 16v. I'm really dispointed with the performance of the car, it doesnt have that urgency of acceleration that my old KR had, and feels no where near as quick, I dare not attempt a race from the lights against the fiesta ST/MG ZR incase i get my arse handed to me. I had a little race with a 1.8t MK4 which i thought where slower than mk3 16v and got beat good and proper.
Are mk3 just a lazy cruiser and am i expecting to much from it, when comparing it too a mk2?
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short answer ..... yes :laugh:
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Has it had any mods? once you have a decent exhaust and filter that should losen things up.
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you must have bought a 1 lady owner never been driven properly because my mates have had ST fiesta's, 1.8T MK4 and none of them were quicker than my valver...
they arn't as good as a mk2 though - weight issues......
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i did buy a lady owner car :smiley:, i've been thrashing it all the time, been through 100 quid worth of bp super unleaded petrol, the acceleration is just smooth, but not rapid, what do you guys suggest to extract more power out of it, i know on the mk2 you could take it to stealth & they would have a play with the WUR & timing , can you do any of ths on the mk3?
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i have said it before and ill say it again, non of the mk 3's are amazingly fast, especially with the 8 / 16 v versions, i was very disapointed in my mates valver also as i expected a huge difference from my 8v and their wasnt one... best bet is to go down the 20vt route unless its just used as a daily..
as you say, a hell of a lot of cars will leave you at the lights :laugh:
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i have said it before and ill say it again, non of the mk 3's are amazingly fast, especially with the 8 / 16 v versions, i was very disapointed in my mates valver also as i expected a huge difference from my 8v and their wasnt one... best bet is to go down the 20vt route unless its just used as a daily..
as you say, a hell of a lot of cars will leave you at the lights :laugh:
how much do you estimate it to cost for a 1.8T transplant into a mk3 - assuming he doesn't know how to do it himself and has to pay a company etc??
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3-4 grand.
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i have said it before and ill say it again, non of the mk 3's are amazingly fast, especially with the 8 / 16 v versions, i was very disapointed in my mates valver also as i expected a huge difference from my 8v and their wasnt one... best bet is to go down the 20vt route unless its just used as a daily..
as you say, a hell of a lot of cars will leave you at the lights :laugh:
how much do you estimate it to cost for a 1.8T transplant into a mk3 - assuming he doesn't know how to do it himself and has to pay a company etc??
depends how much u love the mk 3, i prefere it to the mk 2 for looks hence why ill be doing it to mine, myself
as for a 16v been faster than a 1.8t mk 4 or 150 hp st.....aint gonna happen unless against someone who cant drive too good, not been arsey, just saying as it is...mk 3 8 or 16 v really are not that fast, but they are great cars :wink: :cool:
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saying it how you think it is.... my mates mk4 1.8t wasn't quicker than my car regardless of who was driving what (was insured both ways) but then the 1.8T has the most bland power delivery I have driven. Even in a 210 S3 it feels dull -
he sold his 1.8T for a 150 diesel MK4 and it felt more exciting, genuinely had a kick to it....
How much do you reckon it'll cost sticking one in yourself then? maybe a £1000 on engine and upgrades etc?
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can vouch for the tdi 150...i have one as a company car and it is a very rapid little thing :laugh:
well, iv been offered a doner car of my choice for 500 quid, which is a 225bhp TT unit, now if i do go with this i am gonna have a superchips management, so id be lookin at around 270 bhp i think.. i also want the brakes off the TT also..
my neighbour is the head technician at VW main dealer in leeds and he is helping me do the conversion, will be later this year...
keeping the old dear looking as OE as possible too :grin:
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the mk3 is about 220kg more heavy than the mk2!! hence the lower performance... but then the mk4 petrol 150 isn't that much quicker (mainly top end!) unlike the diesel which has massive mid range torque but limited top end and more low down turbo lag (these truly are real over taking machines :cool:)..... I drove a chipped mk5 170 gt diesel giving about 200-220bhp and this was rapid mid range and would eat all mk5 gti's and ed30's.....
and kells if you ever fit the 225bhp engine I must have a go!! :wink:
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dude your welcome to a drive of it, hopefully later this year it will be done, already spoke to my exhaust people about making up the custon downpipes etc...just doing a little research into the conversion to see what else i may need etc
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270bhp in a mk3, think you will need to research traction! lol.
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aye true, thats the thing you see, iv been in many a high powered motor that looses out via traction, gonna look into all angles anyhow
those astra VXR are a great example of this!
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my mates little fiesta zetec s, does far better cars of the line, due to its traction, would be a problem you would have to come over. Didnt the vr6 have traction control as an optional extra? :S
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you only need the feed the clutch in when rolling and you have more traction from a standing start sorted.... I do this up the quarter strip and beat many more powerfull cars who spin it all away.... I guess fast corners may be your problem!! and i remmebr the old rs turbo's and steering at 3 o'clock going hard round left hand corners! and they had an lsd (sort of)
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im quite expeirenced with RS turbos, grew up with those, and still have a real mad love for the series 1 version...they were never a match for my humble swift tho which is absolutly great at getting its power dowm, the big wheels help this alot too, the LSD wasnt the best on the RS but was better than nothing.
tbh im not intending to race the golf...but then again i may be tempted to do 1/4 mile days in it :laugh:
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I understand kells.... my 8v did quarter in 16.4 beatin many other (faster cars :laugh:) but that was giving the clutch and rev limiter plenty of abuse :grin: :grin:
I will change for a vr when i need/want more power... my 8v gives good all round performance and I dont really need anything faster?
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and I dont really need anything faster?
well said.
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yeah i must admit iv grown really fond of my 8v lump, and iv never been one for anything with less than 16v really... so it cant be that bad :lipsrsealed:
the only thing with a VR for me is that it cost far too much to run for its performance, what i mean is i do quite alot of driving so its not economically viable ( hahahaha) for me personally.
i intend to keep my mk 3 as its such a solid base car and i have real problems leaving cars standard, but i love the mk 3 in OE form, and thats giving me a problem as im itching to do something to it, it only leaves me with the engine to mess with haha....but if for any reason i dont do the 20v thang, it will be Evo time for me...i cant stop my love affair with them what so ever!!
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I have liked the 8v since my brother had a mk3 gti 8v as a company car and then got a vr6......my friends drive scoobys,skylines and other japs with silly power and i aint that inpressed...yeah there stupid fast but also tacky! and require vast ammounts of money :huh:
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skylines, scoobys and evos are always driven by people that i dont want to be, if you get me.
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Kells, almost standard looking(apart from subtle mods)+ turbo engine= :cool: :cool:
As you said need to sort brakes, suspension(if you havent already properly sorted it) and what about the clutch and box? that wouldnt stand for 250bhp+ would it.
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yeah true the jap monsters need love, expensive serving costs etc...if you dont look after then it will fall down around you, i love them to bits tho, but i do love my faithfull mk 3, its a great little car and gets some fantastic comments, not bad for a 1993 car anyhow :cool:
VW_08, yeah exactly what im thinking, will be dope :cool:, gearbox/clutch will come from the TT as will the brakes, suspension is all good, Jamex coilovers are on..
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yeah true the jap monsters need love, expensive serving costs etc...if you dont look after then it will fall down around you, i love them to bits tho, but i do love my faithfull mk 3, its a great little car and gets some fantastic comments, not bad for a 1993 car anyhow :cool:
VW_08, yeah exactly what im thinking, will be dope :cool:, gearbox/clutch will come from the TT as will the brakes, suspension is all good, Jamex coilovers are on..
Thats alright then :cool:
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Before getting my vr i thaught my valver was fast but since driving my vr ive realised that it isn't. Went for a blast in my old valver a few days ago it seems relaxed compared to my vr.. :cool:
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i had a scooby lovely car, done a few mods to it the best was takeing the cat off made a real difference to perfomance,but have to keep putting it back on for the m.o.t. never had a problem with it,never let me down serviced it myself,very fast super handleing, only sold cos of an exstion on the house. this here gti i own had nothing but trouble with it. nice looking car tho. would put pics on but dont know how.lol
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kells - if your starting with a 225 TT engine then your laughing cost wise as its already built to take a fair bit more power than it has, might be worth going stand alone management with a switchable map (although this does add £Â£Ã‚£ to the cost I suppose) that way you could have something a bit more drivable and less demanding of the cars weaker parts etc then just flip a switch and go into booost mode!!!!
there is a guy on clubgti that has a black mk3 and he is DIY'ing a 20VT in it but keeping it almost totally standard apart from some anni wheels you should check it out
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my 8v will do me fine.i've put a mk2 gear box on it and it ad been dacated. the gear box made one hell of a diffrence it as give me more low down touqe. mk3 box 80mph about 3 revs/ mk2 box 80mph 4/to 41/2 revs. fair play i think it goes well. it will stay with most mk2s the ones it dont keep up with av ad grands spent on them. as mk3 r always on top for me. im am looking in to getting her chip wat is best .
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kells - if your starting with a 225 TT engine then your laughing cost wise as its already built to take a fair bit more power than it has, might be worth going stand alone management with a switchable map (although this does add £Â£Ã‚£ to the cost I suppose) that way you could have something a bit more drivable and less demanding of the cars weaker parts etc then just flip a switch and go into booost mode!!!!
there is a guy on clubgti that has a black mk3 and he is DIY'ing a 20VT in it but keeping it almost totally standard apart from some anni wheels you should check it out
yes i have looked at the standalone management, id be looking at a extra £1k on top tho thats the only prob..but in ideal world it would be the way to go for sure :wink:
the car you mention sounds exactly like what im gonna be doing to mine :cool: (minus the annie wheels as i dont like them at all) i will need some rims tho to go over the brakes..
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yeah he is a brave chap as well just throw himself right in the deep end never done it before and its all coming together....
il find the link to his thread later and PM you it....
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cool, same as me, never done a engine swap like this anyhow, just going for it, fack it, what the worst that can happen hahaha :laugh: :lipsrsealed: :rolleyes:
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there is always a wealth of knowledge on forums etc for if you get stuck, it genuinely gives me extra confidence to have a go knowing you can get free advise that isn't from a garage trying to rip you off!!!!! I have done a fair bit of bodywork stuff but not much mechanical stuff until I started building my track day car, now I will attempt pretty much anything.... with varying results lol
this is the car I was on about....
http://www.clubgti.com/forum/showthread.php?t=156933