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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: maxamus on 12 April 2008, 17:40
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What is wrong with people!!!!
On a dual carriageway, fast lane (right hand side) approaching an interchange to turn right when suddenly the guy in the left lane decides he wants to turn right aswell and pulls into my lane as im passing him and clips my car!!!!
Passenger side wing mirrors knackered with scuffs on the alloys. Several scratches to my passenger side from where he clip'ed me. Lucky its just minor cosmetic damage and no dents as i managed to swereve onto the grassed central reservation!
And guess what; he had the cheek to turn around and say its my fault because i was driving too fast and he didnt see me (must have been going at lightspeed then!!!!!).
Anyway, he decided to call the traffic fuzz who came and breathelised us both, came up zero and went on their way. What use they were i dont know.
A couple of witnesses that saw it also said it was my fault because i was driving too fast as i was approaching the interchange. One old F00ker said i should be banned and left his details with the 3rd party beacause "his wife is a magistrate" and will help get me banned! What a load of tosh. I did say to him if i was going that fast then why are there no skid marks on the road!
I did tell them ALL that regardless of my speed (which was around 55mph on a 70mph road) the 3rd party should have checked to see if there were any cars in the fast lane before he moved out. And he hit me, not the other way round!
Anyway, the 3rd party still think im at fault and think they are going to put in some nice whiplash claims.
DONT THESE FOOKERS KNOW THE RULES OF THE ROAD?????
My insurers already have taken the stance that the 3rd party are liable.
A like for like, or equivilant, courtesy car will be dropped off monday morning :evil:
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Jeezus christ, from what i've read it would seem they are at fault for pulling out. You get this a lot on the motorway too and you have to be f*ckin careful :angry:
TBH I think they were just victimising you for being young and driving a fast car - amazing how jealous some people can get.
Hope it gets sorted mate.
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Can't beleive some folk :angry:
Hope you get the car sorted.
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Most enthusiasts I know are the better/safer drivers on the road as they genuinely care for their cars. They dont want to see them damaged so take less risks around other vehicles (but enjoy them when alone on the road.... :evil:). I try to stay as far away from other cars as possible when motorwaying. I dont want stone chips on my bonnet or a damaged windscreen.
Even if you had "slammed on" you wouldn't leave any skid marks with ABS.
Make a note of what happened, by writing it down as soon as you can, it will help your insurance. take photos as well, even if its with your mobile phone in case anyone claims for existing damage.
The third party has already admitted "he didn't see you", make a note of it. As to the old FOOker, I bet he cant even see further than the end of his nose! Your insurance are used to spotting who's at fault, you'll be fine.
Before you know it you'll have your car back and it'll be polished up like new :smug:
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Its their fault. No doubt about it. As for proving your speed its simply your word against theirs. Its not like they have a calibrated tool to check your speed... and tbh how did they know how fast you were going when they didnt see you???
Ask them if they want to settle without going through insurance.. because they are definately at fault.
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Its their fault. No doubt about it. As for proving your speed its simply your word against theirs. Its not like they have a calibrated tool to check your speed... and tbh how did they know how fast you were going when they didnt see you???
Ask them if they want to settle without going through insurance.. because they are definately at fault.
....Excellent point!!
Some of these people are total idiots! 55 on a 70 is NOT too fast!!!! I'm coming across more and more people driving at around 40 on two-way-traffic A-roads where it can be tricky to overtake because they all bunch up together but the front car could be safely doing 60. In fact aren't you supposed to drive at the designated road speed? You should do just under 40 in a 40 etc etc. Join motorways at least at the same speed as the traffic?
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I wouldn't worry to much mate.. Bloke sounds like a right (http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/381/w4nkeroc6.gif) (http://imageshack.us)
End of the day, if you were in your lane and not exceeding the speed limit, I can't see him having a leg to stand on..
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I wouldn't worry to much mate.. Bloke sounds like a right (http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/381/w4nkeroc6.gif) (http://imageshack.us)
End of the day, if you were in your lane and not exceeding the speed limit, I can't see him having a leg to stand on..
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Make a note of what happened, by writing it down as soon as you can, it will help your insurance. take photos as well, even if its with your mobile phone in case anyone claims for existing damage.
The third party has already admitted "he didn't see you", make a note of it.
Ye i took notes and took photos aswell showing location and pics of third party car.
Ye i told my insurere that he admitted he didnt see me.
Its their fault. No doubt about it. As for proving your speed its simply your word against theirs. Its not like they have a calibrated tool to check your speed... and tbh how did they know how fast you were going when they didnt see you???
Ask them if they want to settle without going through insurance.. because they are definately at fault.
He and his witnesses can only guess at the speed. The old Fooker, one of his witnesses, came off the interchange and was on the opposite side of the dual c/way! Get on that one.
I've already notified the insurer because thats the way the 3rd party wanted to handle it because he thinks im at fault the crazy fool!
As far as im concerned its a clear cut case. I was in fast lane, he was in slow lane, he didnt look to see if any cars were in the fast lane and pulled out and hit me. Speed has nothing to do with it. Its all to do with basic observation (and using your mirrors)!
He cant get out of it. He didnt see me and moved over OR (if he goes home and thinks about it) he did see me and moved over. He hasnt got a leg to stand on. Either way hes at fault.
Robin you are right.
The Highways Agency wants all drivers to do atleast 67mph on all of its trunk road (Your probably wondering how i know that. Its because im a highways enginner and have worked on HA projects).
Anyway, im just relieved its just minor cosmetic damage because when he hit me i did think all of my passenger side would be dented to fook. Luckily its just a few scratches and scuffs on panels and alloys.
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feel for you mate havin had the misfortune to have been whacked last week.
he hit you so pretty much end of imo.witnesses aren't worth jack these days,
I was witness to some tanked up crazy fool in an alegro on oth.er side of the road hitting a car coming out a junction, it ended up 50-50 decision at court????????????
remember pictures tell a thousand words.
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If he has moved into your lane and hit you, you have nothing to worry about dude. Its clear cut. And by saying he didn't see you he is pretty much admitting liability, If he says he did see you he's in the same boat.
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Fair play for keeping your cool, i probably would've tw@tted the bloke.
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Your in the right maximus, stick to your guns mate, it sounds like the insurance companys will argue the case out and will most proberly settle as a 50/50 . Is your no claims protected maximus??. Hoped you protected them incase the worse happens.
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Really sorry to hear about it...any chance you could make a claim of whiplash against them?? Well...depends how your feeling i guess...just hope everything works out :wink:
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Your in the right maximus, stick to your guns mate, it sounds like the insurance companys will argue the case out and will most proberly settle as a 50/50
I would have thought that this was a straight forward case of the 3rd party being at fault. How would it be 50/50 ?
He moved into my lane and hit me because he "didnt see" me.....
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Pics of location:
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I was in right hand lane approaching interchange to turn right.
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This is where it happened.
Damage to TP
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As you can see the damage to TP is very minor. A damaged wing mirror and some scuffing to paintwork and alloys. Mine is the same.
Its a good job it was a grassed central reservation because if it was barrier my car would have been fooked!
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One of my mates is a traffic cop (ex) and says in cases like this they look at the damage. If the damage is on the right hand side it invariably ends up as their fault
EG
Roundabout - someone comes onto the roundabout and tw4ts you on the roundabout your damage is on the left, theirs on the right.
Junction - someone comes out of the junction and either you hit it or it hits you, the damage is on your left(or front) and is on their right.
Someone pulls over into your lane and strikes you - their damage is on the right and yours on the left.
You can see where I'm going with this.
My mate also says that evidence for the other person in your case could easily sway in your favour anyway :nerd:
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My mate also says that evidence for the other person in your case could easily sway in your favour anyway :nerd:
Ahh cheers Hurdy.
Im going to take some pics of my car tomorrow to show the damage to my passenger side and the damage to the driver-side alloy (from me swerving onto the grassed central reservation and hitting the kerb).
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now seeing the photos and now can see the circumstances, he hasnt got a walking stick to stand on. Sorry maximus, you are in the right, screw the beggar for lost of earnings,whiplass and anything else, oh yes driving a peice of sh!te called a peugeot ! :wink:
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Bad luck mate.
The reality is, in this day and age, the Police/CPS will not generally prosecute for due care and attention, unless there is a serious injury or serious breach of Road Traffic Regulations. The public interest is not served if either do not apply. Also, insurance companies look to initially deny liability, then negotiate and mitigate to reduce liability to end up paying as little as possible. You have done the right thing to secure evidence of the incident (photos), but the account of any witnesses may also go for/against you (eg speed/driving style/traffic flow etc). Given that you were complying with the Highway Code (not law, but accepted doctrine) you are in a good position to get a positive outcome. Approaching a roundabout to turn right should be done in the offside lane.
Stick with it.
Cass
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.......but the account of any witnesses may also go for/against you (eg speed/driving style/traffic flow etc).
The witnesses cant be for sure what speed i was going. Plus they have no evidence to support it. Its not FACT and therefore cant be persued as a line of action i would have thought......
I was less than a 100yds from the interchange and therefore was naturally slowing down.
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:angry: old git :angry: NOT you maxamus :wink: i know the road well i have used it a lot in the past and about 2 years ago i very nearly had the same accident but a little way back just before the garage, as the driver decided to go from the left hand lane and come into my lane on the right without indicating at all. i managed to brake just in time to miss his back end and i ended up swerving over the road and over the grass verge into the garage , and by the time i composed myself and started to drive off he had gone. :angry:
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Good answer, but opinions or/or experience do count. I've re-read your original post and now realise you were approaching the roundabout and not actually on it turning right. Shouldn't happen, but you may well find this goes 50/50.
Stick with it and good luck with the claim though.
Cass
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Here's another example that happened to my brother-in-law:-
On a roundabout turning to the third exit and whack!!!
Old biddy in a Yaris hits him coming out of the second road
Old biddies wife in the passenger seat gets out of the car and literally starts screaming at him that it is his fault and he should accept responsibility.
Old biddy driver gets out and does similar.
BIL says he was on the roundabout and naturally has the right of way.
OB says that there was a set of traffic lights just before the roundabout that were on green and therefore he had the right of way.
BIL states that the lights are for the crossing and lights aren't valid for a roundabout as there are no lights actually on the roundabout (which there weren't)
Accident happened 100yards from Police station
OB says they should visit police station
Both visit police station and Police explain that old biddie is in the wrong
OB's wife screams at hubby and leave stage left :grin:
The point really is that although people think they are in the right they sometimes aren't and so the person who hit you will swear blind that they are in the right when they aren't :smiley:
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Shouldn't happen, but you may well find this goes 50/50.
I will be p1ssed off if it does go 50/50 because clearly it was not my fault! The TP should have looked to see if there was a car on his right before he moved over. Clearly if he had he would have stayed in his lane. His point that i was speeding would clearly mean that he MUST have seen me in the other lane but still decided to go into me.
1. He didnt see me and moved into my lane and WHAM!
2. He did see me but still decided to move into my lane and WHAM!
I guess he's gonner go down the line of "he was speeding" which i assume he will because his witnesses will support his case (with no evidence), would indicate that he did see me which would mean careless driving on his part.
His witness, the old fooker, was on the opposite side of the dual carriageway and just came off the interchange so he would have had no inkling to what speed i was doing. Its not like i shot past him.
Im suprised he would have seen the accident at all because all he would have seen is my driverside.
As far as im concerned i would say its clear cut and so would my insurer because "drive assist" will be dropping off a nice like-for-like or equivilant car, on monday paid out of TP's policy :wink:
Ohhhhhhhhhhh i forgot to mention, he was so pedantic that he rang his insurer there and then and said his vehicle needs towing away because it is undriveable!!! Man i see cars all the time on the roads with a wing mirror missing! What a loon :sick:
screw the beggar for lost of earnings,whiplass and anything else, oh yes driving a peice of sh!te called a peugeot ! :wink:
Dont you worry!!! I will :evil:
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Sorry for your grief Max,as from what i have read and seen the photo's,i think you should make sure it does'nt go 50/50 as the guy knows he is at fault and trying to get out of it.Slightly under or over speed limit,still does'nt give him the right to pull into the r/h/lane without due care and attention.Also,what the f**k was the old C**t doing, watching what cars on the other side of Dual/car way were doing???? have him aswell !!!
In the photo's,cannot see much of the grass,but would you not think that,if you were going at crazy speeds and you get hit,knocking you into the grass verge etc,the natural reaction is to brake thus causing long marks in the green stuff ???
I know its a small heap of sh!t,but still enough force to knock a car going in a straight line to go over to the right kerb and grass!!!
Case closed,get 4 new Monzas,r/h/side kerb dam,l/h/side peugeot damage,and take him for all you can.
Good luck bud,
Chris.
By the way Max,TOON ARMY top of the North east pile :grin:
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In the photo's,cannot see much of the grass,but would you not think that,if you were going at crazy speeds and you get hit,knocking you into the grass verge etc,the natural reaction is to brake thus causing long marks in the green stuff ???
Yes you are right.
When he hit me i braked and swerved onto the grassed central reservation. This took a chunk out the driver side tyre wall and fooked up the alloy but i still stopped within a few metres. If i was going at excessive speeds i would have skidded for ages on the grass (as it was damp from rain earlier on). I would have ended up more nearer the interchange.
Have a look at the pics below:
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My car is clearly visible parked behind his. If i was speeding then this would not be the case. The reason for that is because i would have had a longer stopping distance, particularly on the damp grass, and the car would have come to a halt much much later than his. And if this had happened, he would have pulled onto the grassed area behind mine. But what happened was we stopped side by side and he had to pull onto the grass infront of me.
Hope that makes sense.
.....get 4 new Monzas,r/h/side kerb dam,l/h/side peugeot damage,and take him for all you can.
Yep, new monza's all round. I wouldnt and havent normally done this because people have been honest but this guy im going to do over. The whiplash claims are going in !
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Typical isn't it? Practically zero damage to the tossers car - lets face it they aint gonna bother to get that piece of sh*t fixed up are they?
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Maxamus,
More to the point (seeing as you are OK of course) - How's the GTI - any pics of the damage :cry:
Cass
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Maxamus,
More to the point (seeing as you are OK of course) - How's the GTI - any pics of the damage :cry:
Cass
Damage to my car:
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(http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/560/dscf0257sw4.jpg)
(http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9683/dscf0259ve5.jpg)
(http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/5898/dscf0260rz4.jpg)
(http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6932/dscf0261wm5.jpg)
(http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8644/dscf0265dj8.jpg)
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Damage = Wing mirror, scratch near wing mirror, brushing on front and rear passenger side wheel arch, 2x alloys plus driver side tyre wall damaged.
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Ouch, looks like there is no great panel damage though, and hopefully all can be cured by a good bodyshop paint job and some TLC. New Monza's/tyres and wing mirror obviously. Shame to see a GTI in the best colour in this state though. On a positive note, I have just had my bonnet repainted and the paintwork/finish is fine, good match and no obvious signs of repaint - downside was the poor masking and overspray on the car - make sure you inspect it fully upon collection :wink:
Cass
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Sorry to hear bout this mate.Theres nothing more annoying than knowing your in the right and arguing with some old tosser who shouldnt even be allowed to drive!! Although your car is driveable theres nothing worse than driving your car damaged.
Anyway hope you get sorted and get yer car back when fixed in tip top shape.
Am i right in thinking that is Bradbury services?I know the road well.
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Sorry to hear bout this mate.Theres nothing more annoying than knowing your in the right and arguing with some old tosser who shouldnt even be allowed to drive!! Although your car is driveable theres nothing worse than driving your car damaged.
Anyway hope you get sorted and get yer car back when fixed in tip top shape.
Am i right in thinking that is Bradbury services?I know the road well.
Ye Mate. Bradbury services on the A689 approaching Junction 60 of the A1(M)
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Any news about the Accident max?? :smiley:
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IANAL, but 100% the other chap's fault IMHO.
Sorry to hear about this, you may have seen my own thread on a crash yesterday.
Fingers crossed for us both!
Martin
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Any news about the Accident max?? :smiley:
Ye mate the car went into the repair centre today afternoon who will have an estimate ready by tomorrow. I showed the estimator the damage. I think i'll have the car back within 2/3 weeks.
My courtesy car got dropped off this morning. Its a 3dr 08 Reg Astra 1.8 SRi :sick:
Its only got 400miles on the clock mind. Think i better open it up :evil:
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As said in the previous threads. My reply is a bit slow but Im sorry to hear about the GTi but as said previously. It could have been far worse for you and the car.
Good luck with the repairs.
Mike
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Some good news.
I will be getting a set of 4 new Monza II's :tongue:
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Some good news.
I will be getting a set of 4 new Monza II's :tongue:
REP's or Proper VW Ones? Well Done! :wink:
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Some good news.
I will be getting a set of 4 new Monza II's :tongue:
REP's or Proper VW Ones? Well Done! :wink:
Reps mate but better quality ones :)
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sorry to hear this maxamus!!! i had a simular problem, i was 17 and in my golf mk3 cab, i was doing about 50 in a 30 and some t0sser pulled out on me then SMASH
he tried to say i was going to fast but it dosnt matter if i was doing 70 as he shouldnt have pulled out, insurence said he was at fault and i won the case
good luck :smiley:
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hi maxamus
sorry to hear about this mate
i know that road well, use it every morning coming from stockton to durham
its obvious to me that he's to blame too, as everyone's said - he obviously wasn't looking as its a decent stretch of road
some people just shouldn't be driving!
hope you get it sorted anyway
Steve
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I do 40,000 miles a year and I can say without hesitation that the biggest problem on the roads are the over 65's.
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I do 40,000 miles a year and I can say without hesitation that the biggest problem on the roads are the over 65's.
....I'm glad you didn't say over 60's :shocked:. So, I've got 4 years left :sad:
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UPDATE:
Car is in the paintshop and the Alloys are on order.
I think i might have the car back by next week :smiley:
I miss it :cry:
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anyone wanna help maximus with some sexy black porn so he doesnt feel lost.................... this will be interesting to see if pictures of cars will be HOPEFULLY posted. im sure joesgti will help you with some black porn :laugh: :laugh:
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Phil.... You really need to get out more... :lipsrsealed:
There is a section for this already. :rolleyes: :evil:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=65074.1450
lol
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anyone wanna help maximus with some sexy black porn so he doesnt feel lost.................... this will be interesting to see if pictures of cars will be HOPEFULLY posted. im sure joesgti will help you with some black porn :laugh: :laugh:
Haha.
I have a PS3 to keep me company until she gets back :grin:
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Mike, thats such a great thread, all 150 pages worth , im gonna grab me a handful of wipes and enjoy the pics!!! :wink:
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lol!
Is that sarcasm? Wait till you get further into the thread... Suddenly it loses its "Vdub" and becomes just plain porn...
Mike :smiley:
P.S- Notice that suddenly the amount of replies to your thread has dropped.... I wonder why? lol
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..... im gonna grab me a handful of wipes and enjoy the pics!!! :wink:
Hes been gone a while hasnt he. Hope the Mrs hasnt caught him :grin:
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i should hopefully get my car back tomorrow. Its been 3 weeks and im sick as fook :cry:
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i should hopefully get my car back tomorrow. Its been 3 weeks and im sick as fook :cry:
i should hopefully get my car back tomorrow. Its been 3 weeks and im sick as fook :cry:
Here's hoping for you. Mine went in last Tuesday and I might not see her again until the end of May :cry: :shocked: