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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: marcus123 on 15 April 2004, 15:59
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hello forum,
being new to owning a gti i am wondering what boy racer type cars i could easily beat off the lights, and what to definately not mess about with?
ive got an 8v digifant, i hate saxo drivers!
is my car quicker than a VTS?
what have ypu all raced out there and beaten ;D?
or what have you raced and been embarressd by >:(?
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I would imagine that you might be ok with Saxo's especially the 8v ones whichever they are.
I would avoid Civic Type Rs, Clio 172s etc. Renault 5 GTturbos, RS turbos. And definitley G40s should you be lucky enough to see one.
Stick to racing other Gti's and XR2is, XR3is, AXGTs etc etc.
Oh yeah.... You can race just about ANY mk4 Golf Gti and win but leave them funny R32 thingies well alone.
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You should find that off the Mark you will be quick but once your into 2nd gear you will start falling behind to the really quick stuff. Any modern hot hatches are going to be quicker, but get your power down right and you could worry a few people.
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anything with a motor bigger than a 1.6 and a sports badge sitting on the back for my CL ;)
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stop racing boys unless you're racing EVO's or Scoobys with middle ages twits driving them and you know your TT powered mk2 will eat them once you gain grip ;D
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This topic made me chuckle... If u wana race from the lights get to the Pod/York ;)
If not go and find some B roads and have miles more funn . . .
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y ues the pod wen uve got traffic lights!?
well apart from the fact that the pod is actually legal :P
man the golf with the 20v turbo engine is sweeeeeeeet ;D
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get a bike and you can beat anything away from the lights.
0-62 2.3 seconds
0-150 in 10 seconds ;D
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U aint beating a VTS in an 8v Golf. No chance in standard form......
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yep thats is exactly true! although talking about fast things i remember an ex of mines dad had a jaguar xj sport, i rmember that being seriously quick so dont race them either....... ;D
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mmmmmmn so wot CAN we race...... ??? its seems 2 me that the GTi cant even keep up wiv most cars let alone smoke them at the lights..... if only i was older enough 2 own 1 back in 1989 wen golf GTi's were the daddy
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thats cos every hot hatch has got 170+ bhp nowadays. old gti's handle far better tho and are more fun to drive. to be honest i can keep up with most things in my valver unless its 180bhp+, which aint bad at all for a 15 yr old car
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dunno mark i drove a civic type r and that was fast as.............and handled good to
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mmmmmmn so wot CAN we race...... ??? its seems 2 me that the GTi cant even keep up wiv most cars let alone smoke them at the lights..... if only i was older enough 2 own 1 back in 1989 wen golf GTi's were the daddy
the 8v was never that quick even in late 80s early 90s. it was the quality hot hatch, not the fast one. and there were plenty of things to beat it.
the 16v was always the hot date. whatever beat it to 60 was behind it at 100.
tin
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i killed some gay looking boy racer in his honda civic last knight!
so like i say my 8 valve is no slouch!.
i dont kno what to do tho, do this mk2 up or get 1 that has already bin sorted.
decision decisions
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alrite then how about an 1.8 rover MG ZR at the lights? or the xr2i
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i killed some gay looking boy racer in his honda civic last knight!
Bit harsh just for owning a civic isnt it? ;D
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;D i would smash an xr2i off the lights!
there crusty bags os sh*t!
yo trust, you still havnt got a golf yet man?
whats your budget?
im not to sure about the zr tho, could be swift.
stick to racing wayne kerrs in saxo vtrs!! 8)
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ZR wud kill off the lights and in the run, the 160 that is, it wud be close with a 120 though
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i killed some gay looking boy racer in his honda civic last knight!
Bit harsh just for owning a civic isnt it? ;D
not really ;D
he was a proper chav man!
www.chavscum.co.uk
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Most zr`s on the road are the 105 version ;) which as we all know is sh!t ;D
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I feel guilty everytime i sell one of those
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So you should >:( a man at work has one and i laugh at him as he crys when he realises he should of bought the mazda he wanted
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they are simply one of the worst cars ever made! they tried to give me one as a company demo, i refused an drove my golf for a week till i got a 160!
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jord,
you feel guilty wen you sell what?
what kind of mods have you done to your golf?
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Well pretty much any MGRover, but espesh the ZR105! SHH****TTE
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Mods on golf: Lowered 40mm on Biltstein kit/ Colour coded Debadged, smoothed an filled all round/ Black-Crystal rear clusters/ Induction Kit/ Sebring Full System Zorst
Got a G60 S1 kit to go on soon as my mate can do it, and its goin lower!
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My sister got the zr 105 but it has been specced up as the 160 with 17s and the bodykit,but is soooo slow.I took it up the dual carriageway near my house and were my 8v would just fly to 60 this zr slowly crept up to 60
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you sell rovers? :o
rovers are sorry man!
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sounds nice, does it feel more responsive with the exhaust and air filter?
big diffrence or just a little?
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I know! i know! im leavin nxt week though so hopefully il go sumwhere an sell good cars
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Slightly more responsive, but to be honest, it just makes a better sound an uses more fuel! shud have it chipped soon though, apparently that will improve the power curve and fuelling
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to dan r ;D
is that an old xr2i?
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XR2I >:( wtf I should come round yours and run you over in my MK1 GOLF GTI
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Im still insulted :-*
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^^ hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
;D ;D ;D
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I will throw a strop of Black_gti proportions if this carrys on ;)
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i killed some gay looking boy racer in his honda civic last knight!
Bit harsh just for owning a civic isnt it? ;D
not really ;D
he was a proper chav man!
www.chavscum.co.uk
Hey you go there? i was the modarator there for about 2 months, I just left, You might reconise the sign in name ;)
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I will throw a strop of Black_gti proportions if this carrys on ;)
please dont.....
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yo 8)
sorry mate, it was probably just a moment of madness, what was i thinking(xr2i) :P
yeh i have a good laugh at chavscum.co.uk from time to time! :D
has anyone out there raced any saxos?vtrs/vts if so what were the results? :o
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Saxo's suck & I'm supprised not to see more of them on Chavscum ;D
I love giving them some stick, I've got a Mk2 16v & there no problem VTR or VTS.
4motions on the other hand, had one be hind me the other day, thought it was just a GTI, lol. Not to much bother up to about 70 then he struggled past and I just laughed when I realised what it was.
Saab 93 Aero6's, there fun to beat too.
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saxo's!!wat a joke of a car! :D :D
anyone else had any good racers out there????????
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ok, well i only drive a 1.3, so im at kind of a disadvantage, still, ive beaten a 1.4 dun up metro (ill get a picture of it sumtime for u all to laugh at!), almost beat a 1.4 pug 306xs, and ive beaten a 1.4 mk3 golf :)... that was quite even... a couple of old citroens, a 205 1.4 pug.... a 1.5 lada!!... admitedly that was a close one as he had modded the engine.. this and that!
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ok, well i only drive a 1.3, so im at kind of a disadvantage, still, ive beaten a 1.4 dun up metro (ill get a picture of it sumtime for u all to laugh at!), almost beat a 1.4 pug 306xs, and ive beaten a 1.4 mk3 golf :)... that was quite even... a couple of old citroens, a 205 1.4 pug.... a 1.5 lada!!... admitedly that was a close one as he had modded the engine.. this and that!
to be honest mate, its not what you drive, but how you drive it.
if you have a fast car - its not a foregone conclusion that you will beat someone, you still have to work for it.
i find it more fun to be the under dog - you always have the advantage that no one expects you to pick on a 996 Turbo. Just make sure you pick a run where the advantages are in your favour :)
tin
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Definately agree Tin ... god it's so nice to give someone a shock though!!
I've not had time or the money as yet to get something meaty in my Golf - Only had her 6 months or so !!! But my previous car (Sorry yes it was a Ford ... ) started as a bit of fun and got way outa hand, complete 'sleeper'.
Old Fiesta XR2 (Standard trim Outside) vs. E30 M3 - boy did he get a shock !
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yo ;)
had some idiot in a honda civic 1.5 trying to race me the other day!
:D :D :D :D
i blew his stupid ass away!
my 8valve is no slouch u kno! :P
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to be honest i' havent had a decent run recently.
i did sorta have one, my mgtf vs porsche 944 (2.5) a couple of days ago. i was losing, but not by much, and it was one of the few times - damn - my 16v would of mauled this guy and then some.
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The best ones are the sad blokes aged between 30-40 who get all excited because they have a bottom of the range company car (usually BMW 3 series or Merc). Most of these cars struggle to do 0-60 in less than 9.5 secs.
There's about 10 miles of dual carraigeway near me split by about 7-10 roundabouts (actually its the final bit of of dual carraigeway that takes you to this years GTI int). I've had great fun hassling these tie and shirt boys round the roundabouts - their cars weigh about twice as much. I've only got a 81 1600 GTI but I always get them with third gear, which I can stay in till about 80 mph. ;D ;D ;D
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mums 6 speed 2002 Bora TDI Sport, Its a Ex VW show car riding on VW golf 17s and is great fun for racing people in, I drive it a lot when i dont want to use my Mk2. All the boy racers that ive raced in my CL (and won ;)) usally take the piss out of it calling it a grandad car, They stop laughting when they heer the turbo spooling and im shifting into 6th gear at 140MPH ;D
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..... into 6th gear at 140MPH ;D
"when you were in germany" of course....
Tin
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oh yes of course, I would never do anything like that on the public Highway
*looks about....Sneeks off before any police arive*
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what is the golf gtis natural enemy?
you kno how all pug 106 gti owners hate saxo owners?
whats our natural enemy?
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you kno how all pug 106 gti owners hate saxo owners?
Quite odd that, considering they drive the same cars!
GTi enemy? Mk1/2 escorts, astras, pug 205, i suppose.
Mk 3 - 306 gti6, astra gsi,
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In the late 80s early 90s it used to be the Astra, probably still the same now, although the 16V mk3 astra was a pretty rapid motor.
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lol
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Ive Been in a 5 way race between a Astra 1.4, a AX with a 1.6 swap, My car, An Excort Turbo and a Cossy down the A41.
The cossy and the escort spend most of the time ahead but i kept up with them quite well around the bends after we left the bypass, The Astra and AXs where easy tho. So i didnt really have anyone to race, The escorts where ahead, The Astra and AX where behind, And i was in the middle Playing with my sterio ;)
That was the day i got my car off the clock (over 120MPH) On a little slope with damp conditions and a bend at the end, Had a few traction Issues round that bend and all 5 cars seemed to take it with a slight degree of sideways motion ;)
Of course...That was the A41 in germany im talking about....Honest!
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Mk4 1.8T's would probably give an mk2 8v a run for it's money. 8)
But I agree the normally aspirated mk4s are not so quick. >:(
I would imagine that you might be ok with Saxo's especially the 8v ones whichever they are.
I would avoid Civic Type Rs, Clio 172s etc. Renault 5 GTturbos, RS turbos. And definitley G40s should you be lucky enough to see one.
Stick to racing other Gti's and XR2is, XR3is, AXGTs etc etc.
Oh yeah.... You can race just about ANY mk4 Golf Gti and win but leave them funny R32 thingies well alone.
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I was over in germany too the other day and managed to get my mk 16valver up to 132 and a bit with another mk2 valver not so far behind me. Looked at bit like my twin actually but single headlight convert. I reckon she still had a litlle more in her but that was getting near maxed out id say. The valver behind me got a bit of a shock me thinks! Things get too hairy at that speed though and every slight bump makes your heart pound.
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so er wot part of "Germany" was that then :P
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lol"germany"!!!!!!!
:D :D :D :D :D
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germany.....m3.....whats the difference ;D
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was the part of germany where you can put your foot down without fear of speedo cams :)
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germany.....m3.....whats the difference ;D
...about 6 points, instant ban and a few hundred quid ;D
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I was over in germany too the other day and managed to get my mk 16valver up to 132 and a bit with another mk2 valver not so far behind me. Looked at bit like my twin actually but single headlight convert. I reckon she still had a litlle more in her but that was getting near maxed out id say. The valver behind me got a bit of a shock me thinks! Things get too hairy at that speed though and every slight bump makes your heart pound.
yup, took my 16v to germany a few weeks ago and was pulling through 130 quite easily. (and i remembered to turn on the GPS for once!). i only started pulling up due to traffic. as for bumps - totally smooth ;)
plus i had a major conscience about returning with a broken engine. errm, still meant to be runnin it in. ahem.
dont know where i would of landed as the car was still pulling and still had 600-800 rpm to roll before fun rev limiter time.
tin
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alot of people going 2 "Germany" over the last couple of days!! ::)
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think they should start telling the truth! ;)
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beat a guy in a saxo vtr 2day with my 8v, so f**king funny because he was showin off 2 his bird reving the engine hard and i just took off and left him 4 dust! i could ice saxos all day long!
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ha ha ha, smoking saxos is the best man! :P
i bet he was a chav f**k*r!
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dunno mark i drove a civic type r and that was fast as.............and handled good to
just got back from derbyshire - and i just watched a civic type R maul and Ferrari 355 F1 Spider - big time.
i dont know what was going on but at a ton that civic was taped to that sucker.
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dont know what was going on but at a ton that civic was taped to that sucker
LOOOOOOL :D
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fookin hell!
thats impressive!
smoked a 1.8 16valve vectra the other day,
well satisfying bcos the guy was a right chav! :D :D
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Ha, smoked some suited fool in a Z3 on an island! Must have been a 1.8 or 2.0 or whatever they do, think anything bigger would have blown my doors off!
Very satisfying though, he was not happy at all ;)
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godsake
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Back to the 1st question.. The Saxo VTR isn't too hot and fairly beatable, but the VTS is different. I had an
"R" plate for a year and remember reading the spec at the time in different magazines and its 0-60 varied from 7.2-7.6 seconds depending on the review. I know 0-60 isn't everything but for a traffic light grandprix it is! So you need to be faster than approx 7.4s 0-60 to smoke one.. Takes a fairly quick motor! For anyone that doesn't know, theres absolutely no way to tell a VTS from a VTR from the back or front, you can only tell by the side badge near the front wheel arch and the 16V silver badge on the rear side pillar (VTR=1.6 8v 100bhp, VTS=1.6 16V 120 bhp). Happy racing fellas!
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:D :Dhmmm...
ill stay away from the vts's in the meantime then,
however vtrs can f**k right off!!
mostly basted chavs that drive saxos!!!!! :D :D :D
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saxo drivers..................
i f**kin hate them, >:(
CHAVS!!!!!!!!! :D :D
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So how does a car with 120bhp do a 0-60 in 7 secs ???
whats the top speed, 90mph?
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cos there built out of paper!
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The original mk1 golf gti was very light, it had 110bhp, 0-60 was about 8 sec.
You need a lot of power to get a 7 sec or less 0-60, or good gearing.
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I'm hoping mine will be under 7 seconds with 230bhp. Thinking of removing everything non-essential to save weight
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yours will easily be under 7 seconds mate,
id guess it would be in the low 6's easily, maybe even high 5's :o
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:D
smashed some some boy racer chav in a citroen ax gt!
f**kin chav trying it on! :D
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i beat a 2cv today, followed by a wide arched milk float
ooooooh yeeear ;D
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hmmmmmmm.......
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those 8v's are a lot easier to beat tho ;D ;D
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you goin to vw action?
we can settle this on the track! :)
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Don't do it marcus :o
Us 8v owners need to remember the golden rule........Talk about beating valvers but DO NOT race them.
It'll only make you want one ;D
Wait till you get your G60 engine now thats an 8 valver that'll kick ass. 8)
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I'll be at Action ;D
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any other good races goin down recently with yall? :D
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i beat a mk4 v5 last week. i was well surprised!!! thought they were quicker!! it was the 170bhp one with the sports suspension and santa monica wheels, so the good one.
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nice one mate,
good victory!
mk4s are kinda fat, need to lose some weight if u ask me :P
not racing mine that much at the mo as im getting rid of it soon hopefully,
ill save the racing for my new dub :D
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What you getting next?
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probably a 16valver :-[
sorry zoid but ive left the 8valve crew!
my valver has been sold to random jord!
but hopefully a new edition soon...................... :D
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i beat a 2cv today, followed by a wide arched milk float
ooooooh yeeear ;D
only cause my battery went flat....
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Muhahaha! on the way home from purchasing said 8valver i done a nice roundabout manuvre on a Vectra............ didnt notice the extra arials at that moment, i saw the blue lights a bit further up though! man i got a proper grillin off those f**k*rs! especially when they noticed i wasnt the registered owner, ah well all got sorted an i got a bollockin, an the copper got more an more mental as he went on, i though he was gunna nut me at one point! they followed me for like 10 miles after that, hehe! ;D
oh an marcus, cheers for the cd! do u want it back?
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probably a 16valver :-[
sorry zoid but ive left the 8valve crew!
my valver has been sold to random jord!
but hopefully a new edition soon...................... :D
Have you driven a 16v yet, both 8 & 16 have good and bad points, but ultimately the 16v will be cheaper in the long run to get decent power, as I plan on going 2L.
I'm still keeping an eye out for a nice one, I don't mind paying a decent price but the problem is nice ones are really hard to come by!
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smashed a chav in an xr2i today :D
f**kin wayne kerr chav boy racer!!! :D :D
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^^^haha, they gotta have there egos stamped on by a bigger and better car!!! And it being a xr2 makes it even more worth it. . . .
Im hopeless with the traffic light racers, 1.3's don't pull quite like how i want it to pull :(
Moped are the other wayne kerrs that annoy me at the lights
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moped riders-- wan kers
this 16valver absolutly flies over 4k revs,
its unbelievable :o :o :o
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I know, they think there riding a sooooper bike, but really, there on a petrol lawn mower!!!!
It makes me laugh when i overtake them and its pissing it down with rain, wayne kerrs!!!! ;D ;D
4000rpm, think my car will explode if i push it that far!!!! or it stops accelerating around that mark, bloody 4-speed gear box :-\
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4k revs?
thats where mine gets moooovin!!!!!!! :D :D
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have u raced much in ur 16v mate. im runin an 8v when it was drivin i cleaned 8v vtr saxo`s few new mk 4 gti was shocked by that but well happy and had a good couple of off the clock runs in it.
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yeh i beat quite a few cars in it.
cleaned up an rs turbo last week, that was v satisfying :)
my 16v eats saxos for breakfast ;)
best race i had recently was with this bmw 328i,
bullied him and then took over, guy looked shocked that he was getting beaten by a 15 yr old car :o :o
i used to have an 8valve, saxo vtrs are no problem :D
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LOL, there is no way the guy in the 328 was racing he would have blown ya doors off! :'(
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no way man :D
he was given it some :D
maybe it was a 323 badged as a 328i?
either way it was dealt with >:(
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no it wouldnt mate,
2.3's are no way as quick as a 16valve matey,
look it up in parkers :P
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ive raced my mates 106 gti a couple of time and he absolutly wastes my 8v raced saxo's vts and they dont seem to pull away anywhere near asmuch ???
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Sorry matey, 16v's are quick. I know i've got one. But they just won't cope with a 6 cylinder 3ltr beemer engine. My mates got a VERY fast G40 that will give TT's a good run for their money & he can only just have a 328. I know for a fact his 0-60 is in the low 6's. Just accept the fact that there are many cars out there that will b!tch slap a 16v & a 328 is one of em!!
Could be a different story on twisty lanes though ;D
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it was a relatively twisty carrigeway, and the guy did drive like a bit of a pussey, :D
but he was going for it, could of been a 323i,
328s arent that quicker than a 16valver mate ;)
im talkin about the old 328i, not the new 330ci
massive diffrence mate :D :-*
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Parkers quotes a 0-60 time of 6.8 seconds and a top end of 150mph for a 328.
Thats some-way off the performance of a Mk2 16v dude!
Bare in mind that the torque of the bimmer straight 6 is going to offer massive mid-range grunt, the 0-60 benchmark is probably the one with the least difference as well.
There is no doubting that the Mk2 16v is a quick motor, but if that bimmer was being driven as you were driving your Mk2 I personally think there is little chance you'd have passed him, sorry.
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Don't matter how old it was mate, I would treat anything bigger than 320i with some respect!
Cos they WILL make you look like a monkey if they want to!
To be honest i've had my ass kicked by quite a few beemer diesels too. :'(
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How did the word disagree get in my post?!!
It should have read "I've had my ass kicked by quite a few beemer diesels" ???
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That'll be the language filter dude!
Were you trying to say "my a55" my any chance??!!
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might have to tweak that filter a bit :)
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parker quote 7.4 for a 328i, e36 model
im NOT talking about a 330 e46 model,
id eat a 323i for breakfast ;)
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yep i meant a55. lol ;D
Sorry mate I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
But i'm right 8)
LOL
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dude you dont know what your on with, ur wrong ;) :-*
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I kmow exactly what i'm on with, my dad had a 528i & that would give a 16v a real good run for its money! So a smaller car with the same size engine. Do the maths mate! :-*
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323i would be smoked :-*
328i would be interesting, but i wouldnt bank on me winning :-\
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Insanity. Unless you've got something special under that bonnet of yours, the beamer would win hands down if he was trying. Sorry. :P
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Unless you have a VR6 :D
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lets see how quick our cars are at gti festival on the 11th july ay santa pod!!! im sure once weve all had 'official' print outs jv coul put up some kind of table of results???this may or may not help clear up a few things on here as for 1/4 mile times but at the end of the day driver skill at the lights has alot to do with it!!, i be playin all day at the pod in my 16v, just for a laugh nowt serious, but i tell you from my experience (motorbike drag raced in 'straighliners' series) its more about reaction times!!! should be some suprising results if peeps know what there doing!!
Gaz 8)
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Yo Gaz,
I'm thinkin of coming up.
Would be interesting to see 0-60, 1/4 mile times, although alot will depend on the condition of the cars and the drivers.
:D
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well my 16v an mye self will be on top form!!!! lol (both smokin a little lol)
Gaz 8)
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Yo Gaz,
I'm thinkin of coming up.
Would be interesting to see 0-60, 1/4 mile times, although alot will depend on the condition of the cars and the drivers.
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yeh good idea, :D
the meet will be good ;)
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will be a good do!!!, doin me cambelt and tensioner and clutch cable this week so there wont be a ny worries for me!! just full on thrappin down the 1/4 mile!!! lol
Gaz 8)
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Ran a saxo VTR and won.......
Because he stalled at the lights ;D
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yup, im just reeling em in! :D
baitings good for a laugh when your bored at work :D :D
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alrite martz mate ;)
yeh, got an email yesterday with confirmation so its mine!
but for the 1st 6 weeks of work ive got to work in bloody bristol and cardiff!
so that aint to cool :(
anyone from out there?
gonna be well boring ::)
whats your dub doing then mate?
ill?
i wanna throw some money at my old girl, dont know what to start with tho ???
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lets get this thread going again ;D
so whos raced what recently ???
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no-one recently but it was funny reading through all the other pages!! funny as funk some of the comments
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Some funny stories in this thread! :D
Caned a MG ZR in my 1.8 mk1, and always caning 3-Series beemers up to 328i. Great fun!
The mk1 canes my 4-Motion too up to around 45mph.
All in all, not bad for a 22 yr old car with 175k on the clock!
(Put my pics in the gallery, then linked to my sig.
How can I get them smaller!)
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Resize them in Paint or something like that, then upload the smaller pics and link to them.
And do it before someone on Dial Up takes out a contract on you! ;D