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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: perd999 on 14 April 2004, 22:12
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hi cud someone plez help me wiv the valuation of the following car:
1996 N reg 2.0L 8 Valve GTi, blue, with recent service...plugs leads etc....good condition exahust..leather seats...aironditioning...5 door. full service history, Mot and tax till November, 50k on the clock, body in good condition, no mods, cheers?
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air con and leather were factory option yes? ... then they dont add value to ur car unfortunately... but u can try to add more if u sell it privately, but if u part-ex it they wont give u extra...
as for the value...
Private selling, average miles (80,000 for a 96 N): -
Good condition - ?3015
Poor condition - ? 2130
Trade - ? 2470
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That description sounds like my car only with less miles!
I would sell it privately for ?3,500 at least.
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Leather and air con were damn expensive factory options. :o
Some people look for leather and will pay extra for it.
Most people like to have air con these days and it's quite rare in 8vs so this is a good selling point.
Plus the mileage is very low at 50k
If you're not in a hurry i'd definately start over ?3,500.
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thanks everyone, jus wanted to no for personal use, ( see if i got ripped of or not) and may sell later in the year but not sure yet............
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How much did you pay? If you don't mind me asking.
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I agree "some" people will offer u more cos of the extra's ... but people like me, who know factory fit options dont add value to a 2nd hand car...
but hey .. ask for ?3500 "ONO" and see what happens!
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I agree "some" people will offer u more cos of the extra's ... but people like me, who know factory fit options dont add value to a 2nd hand car...
but hey .. ask for ?3500 "ONO" and see what happens!
Of course factory options add value! (for private sales at least)
You can't deny that a gti with leather and air con is worth more than an identical one without.
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yeh thats wat i was thinkin.......
How can a car that has extra "factory fit" options such as mettallic paint, leather seats or alarm & imobilisor not add any value to a car?
and be cast in the same price bracket as a similar car without any of these options?
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Put it this way.
My local VW dealership has a VW Bora Sport 2.0 for sale on its forecourt.
Now ... its got average milage and is a V reg I think...
Its got
SAT NAV
Bigger alloys (VW ones)
Parking sensors
And other fancy gizmo's...
The owner part ex'd it for another car .. the trade value was the same as a VW Bora Sport 2.0 WITHOUT Sat Nav, Parking sensors etc.
So like I said .. they dont add value.
.. Although private sales u might be able to haggle for a bit extra...cos alot of people are stupid :D
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Of course extra's add value, for f**ks sake, it's unbelievable some of the sh1t you come out with Black_Gti! ::)
Dealers will always try to screw you on part exchange values, they'll try all sorts of bull sh1t to make sure they don't give you anywhere near what it's actually worth. I'll put money on the fact that the two cars above that were traded in you mention went on the dealer forecourt at different prices.
I'm not even going to bother going on with this post because it's clear that you have no idea!
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^ haha yeah...
would love to buy a car from black_gti... 8)
dealer trade-in's ALWAYS lose money.
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Just sold my 16v privately. Got ?4k
VW Dealership offered me ?2,700 after some pushing by me.
Only a mug would trade a car in, unless you have enough money not to care, or are in a massive hurry.
The bloke who bought it said he'd seen another similar mileage, history etc but ?300 cheaper and was prepared to pay and have mine because he wanted air con and a cd disc changer, both factory fitted options :o
So in my experience options make a big difference in private sales.
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i was offered 1,500 for my old polo when i bought my valver.. i passed and kept the polo. they advised me i'd be best off selling it privately as i'd get more.
This was coming from a vw specialist who's basic business is reselling cars that have been traded in.. my valver was a trade-in via a peugot dealership, they take some of those kind of cars off the dealers hands for roughly what they were traded in for.. and then clean them up, service them, get MOTs etc and sell them on. mostly performance golfs, corrado's and bmws.. >> http://www.expert-tecnik.com (they had a nice g60 corrado and mk2 valver right now)
4 months later i sold it for 1,750 privately :)
(yes i'm lazy and i didnt really try that hard until 4 months later.. close to xmas + MOT was due easrly feb... all got in the way...)
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Main dealers will tell you anything to get the car cheaper off you ;)
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Depends how quickly you want to sell it... but I think most of the above numbers are about right....
BlackGTI isn't completely off his rocker: part-exchange / dealer will probably tell you it won't add any extra and you'll be lucky to get ?2500... you can argue otherwise, but he'll always pay a lot less that it's worth that's how they make their money after all...
Obviously with private sales the extras will add a bit more... or at very least give you a lot more chance of getting the asking price. I've just been looking around on Autotrader recently (on behalf of a friend) and a good condition 8v GTi N reg with trimmings (leather and air con are rare) should be asking around ?3500 ono, I've been looking at slightly newer, slightly higher mileage cars for around that level. You can chance it and try ?3750 if you don't mind waiting a bit, depends on you confidence levels on quite what the condition and desirability is like / if you'll find the right sort of VW enthusiast or somebody who really wnats those extras. For a quick sale, you might have to go for ?3250 ono.
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I agree with lostbok...
people might say.. well.. keep the CD player and ill give u ?50 extra.. or... keep those alloys on and ill give u ?75 extra ...
MIGHT...
iball .. u piss me off cos to be honest YOU KNOW **** ALL U C*NT
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A bit less than you then Mr.8v :D :-*
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lol^^^
im glad to see black_gti gets on other peoples nerves aswell ;D
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I agree with lostbok...
people might say.. well.. keep the CD player and ill give u ?50 extra.. or... keep those alloys on and ill give u ?75 extra ...
MIGHT...
iball .. u piss me off cos to be honest YOU KNOW **** ALL U C*NT
You were talking about factory extras a minute ago, they will add value, but it looks like you're now talking about "modification" extras as in big wheels, huge exhausts etc. If that is the case then you're right they won't add any extra value to the car.
So, to summarise factory extras will add value (eg sat nav, leather, air con etc etc) but "barry boy" extras (eg LED washer jets, etc etc) will not.
I'm not trying to start a fight and to be honest I think you're well out of order call me the 'c' word, you don't know me, never met me, so don't judge me. I haven't with you (apart from based on the sh1t you type on here.)
Ah bollocks to it, I'm going to go home now.
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Blackgti has a way with words, and apparently with his hand as well. Especially on webcams :D
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You were talking about factory extras a minute ago, they will add value
YES, IF U WANT EXTRAS ON YA CAR BRAND NEW IT UPS THE PRICE.. BUT IF U SELL IT WITH THOSE EXTRAS ITS NOT WORTH ANY MORE THAN A STANDARD CAR!!!
F*CK SAKE DONT U READ?? I SAID THIS BEFORE!!!
Blackgti has a way with words, and apparently with his hand as well. Especially on webcams
?? huh?
no idea what u mean ... but if u wanna spread rumours fire away .. maybe i'll say sum stuff I know about YOU thats TRUE...
Now that'll be fun wont it...
Or how about u come into the chatroom? oh no.. forgot... ur BANNED
GET A LIFE
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Blackgti has a way with words, and apparently with his hand as well. Especially on webcams :D
i heard about those videos. think you can get them on edonkey ;D
i just feel sorry for the sheep involved ;D
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YES, IF U WANT EXTRAS ON YA CAR BRAND NEW IT UPS THE PRICE.. BUT IF U SELL IT WITH THOSE EXTRAS ITS NOT WORTH ANY MORE THAN A STANDARD CAR!!!
what a dumbass.
say i want a valver with aircon. I have two example to chose from, same age, same milage, same colour, same condition, but ones got aircon. std is up for ?3500, with aircon is ?3700. Which do you reckon i'll buy?
If people want somthing, they'll attribute a value to it and pay accordingly. Bet you paid more for your GTI than a GL in the same nick would have cost.
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?? GL and GTI are different models FFS
is it was
GTI
GTI (Air Con)
Like Meganes and stuff are then yes, price difference.. but its not its just GTI
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different models? yes, thats rather the point, just as a car with aircon is different to one without. Ones got a GTI engine & badge a few other nips and tucks and is valued at more than the other. But at the end of the day they are basically the same, made in the same factory, by the same worker, to the same standard.
Value is all about perspective and reflects what someones opinions of an items worth. Just because you dont want aircon, doesnt mean others dont.
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no no no no no no no no no NO!
if u sell it provately with after-market mods or factory mods U *"MIGHT"* be able to squeeze a few extra quid.. but not alot... cos those added extras u got were for ur benefit, u cant charge others extra.. f*ck they might not want em!
if u sell to a dealer or garage etc .. u wont get a PENNY extra.
.. how many more times should I say this b4 u understand?
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You just don't have a clue do you Black_Gti, I think it's more a case of how many times do WE have to say this before YOU understand!
Go onto Parkers.co.uk pay ?1.99 (or whatever) and do a personalised valuation for a GTi without any extras and then do one for a GTi with aircon, leather etc. Bet they value the one with leather and aircon at more than a standard Gti, or have they got their database all completely wrong?
Next you'll be saying that an 8v and a 16v are worth the same cos they're both just GTi's after all aren't they?
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no no no no no no no no no NO!
if u sell it provately with after-market mods or factory mods U *"MIGHT"* be able to squeeze a few extra quid.. but not alot... cos those added extras u got were for ur benefit, u cant charge others extra.. f*ck they might not want em!
Aftermarket performance mods like exhausts, wheels, headlights etc will never add value and usually lower the price people will pay for a car.
Factory extras will always increase the price people will pay for a car all the time it is worth reasonable money.
If people don't want an extra, like some people dislike leather, they won't look at you car, they will just buy a cheaper one without the extra.
For example, lets take a REAL LIFE scenario. On friday i sold my car to a bloke who paid ?300 extra specifically for factory fitted air con and cd changer. He said "this car is ?300 pounds more than another i've seen, but i want air con and the cd changer so you've got a deal".
So it seems to me that factory options hold their value and depreciate roughly in line with the car.
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Extras make the car a LOT more desirable, I saw this when buying mine.
I wasn't particularly ready to buy a car yet but mine came up with Leather (rare on a valver as it is..) and air-con AND a sunroof (air-con and a tilt-slide rarely happens).. 1 prev owner, plus full vwsh.
I'd been 'overseeing the market' for a good few months.
I'd learned that adverts in autotrader which comes out on fridays, get listed on the website at midnight thursday. the following morning from when i spotted the car I redialled the number continuously until someone answered. They said they didnt have the car ready, and i've have to see it on monday. I got 2 things in that call, the first was "first refusal" the second was that I could view the car the day after (saturday).
When I got there the guy said he had a bunch of calls and one guy even threw a tantrum screaming "its not fair" at him (hang on.. never in the market for a valver were ya black? :D)
fact is. factory options esp air-con and leather DO make a big difference to the desirability of a car.
I also noticed another trend.
Cars with lots of mods and alloys are
1) often overpriced (because the owner is trying to recoup?)
and
2) dont sell! perhaps because people dont want to buy a maxed n raced car..
the same cars were on autotrader for weeks...
apart from the minor cosmetic mods, if i do come to sell my car and have some nice wheels on it, i'm more likely to recoup the money by putting the originals back on and flogging the wheels on ebay.
why pay 6000 for a 120k valver sat on 17s with amps subs in the trunk to make it thump.. when i picked my car up for 4500 ;)
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You were talking about factory extras a minute ago, they will add value
YES, IF U WANT EXTRAS ON YA CAR BRAND NEW IT UPS THE PRICE.. BUT IF U SELL IT WITH THOSE EXTRAS ITS NOT WORTH ANY MORE THAN A STANDARD CAR!!!
F*CK SAKE DONT U READ?? I SAID THIS BEFORE!!!
Blackgti has a way with words, and apparently with his hand as well. Especially on webcams
?? huh?
no idea what u mean ... but if u wanna spread rumours fire away .. maybe i'll say sum stuff I know about YOU thats TRUE...
Now that'll be fun wont it...
Or how about u come into the chatroom? oh no.. forgot... ur BANNED
GET A LIFE
SHUT UP YOU wayne kerr :D
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BlackGL, i am gonna get a webcam so we can talk face to face, can you please make sure you have got your pants on?
:D :-*
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man all i asked was one simple question and its turned into a riot....will every1 just chill were here to solve the questions not to fight over them.
in conclusion of all of this it is obviously true from every1's views that a valver with the leather seats and air con WILL get that little extra because its scarce and so the consumers will pay for for the luxury factory fitter items. and yes dealers will try to scam you by giving them the same price and then go and sell it for twice the price you gave it to them for!!! (exagerated) anyway thanks for every1's views
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man all i asked was one simple question and its turned into a riot....will every1 just chill were here to solve the questions not to fight over them.
in conclusion of all of this it is obviously true from every1's views that a valver with the leather seats and air con WILL get that little extra because its scarce and so the consumers will pay for for the luxury factory fitter items. and yes dealers will try to scam you by giving them the same price and then go and sell it for twice the price you gave it to them for!!! (exagerated) anyway thanks for every1's views
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Did you get a fair deal Perd999?
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can anyone help me, i have a gti 97 8v colour concept, want to buy a K&N induction kit, but ther are 2 types, i dont know which is right for my car. 1 with the hitachi mass air sensor or the other with is not.
any ideas much appreciated
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Azzy, start a new topic for that question!
Can K&N not help you at all?
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-BlackGti-
Youre scaring the new guys.
.........has your mum been buying you the cheap orange squash?? Your tempers off the radar man.
You are the only one on this site that flips out, calm down dear :-*
As for the K&N, Azzy phone Stuart at EuroCarParts, his contact details are on the front page of this site - he's really helpfull and we get a dicount for being Gti members.
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calm down dear :-*
I love that advert.
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BlackGti-
Youre scaring the new guys.
Erm, I've just helped out Azzy with his K&N problem plus his other problem...
I dont think ive scared anyone... maybe people constantly going on about the mk3 8v scares them!
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You were talking about factory extras a minute ago, they will add value
YES, IF U WANT EXTRAS ON YA CAR BRAND NEW IT UPS THE PRICE.. BUT IF U SELL IT WITH THOSE EXTRAS ITS NOT WORTH ANY MORE THAN A STANDARD CAR!!!
F*CK SAKE DONT U READ?? I SAID THIS BEFORE!!!
Blackgti has a way with words, and apparently with his hand as well. Especially on webcams
?? huh?
no idea what u mean ... but if u wanna spread rumours fire away .. maybe i'll say sum stuff I know about YOU thats TRUE...
Now that'll be fun wont it...
Or how about u come into the chatroom? oh no.. forgot... ur BANNED
GET A LIFE
SHUT UP YOU wayne kerr :D
Seeing as all out abuse is clearly O.K on this forum I'd just like to point out that you have AIDS. And gay AIDS at that.
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hahahhaa... and he got it from you!!! :o
cant believe you fags are still going in this thread
i'm only playing :)
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You were talking about factory extras a minute ago, they will add value
YES, IF U WANT EXTRAS ON YA CAR BRAND NEW IT UPS THE PRICE.. BUT IF U SELL IT WITH THOSE EXTRAS ITS NOT WORTH ANY MORE THAN A STANDARD CAR!!!
F*CK SAKE DONT U READ?? I SAID THIS BEFORE!!!
Blackgti has a way with words, and apparently with his hand as well. Especially on webcams
?? huh?
no idea what u mean ... but if u wanna spread rumours fire away .. maybe i'll say sum stuff I know about YOU thats TRUE...
Now that'll be fun wont it...
Or how about u come into the chatroom? oh no.. forgot... ur BANNED
GET A LIFE
SHUT UP YOU wayne kerr :D
Seeing as all out abuse is clearly O.K on this forum I'd just like to point out that you have AIDS. And gay AIDS at that.
how do you know you f*g**t? :D
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Bodhi,
Know your mum, she does it for money.
She does it with you, for money.
She gives you your pocket money, and you give it straight back.
:D :D
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what forum is this then?
www.imanarrogant12yrold.co.uk
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I think it is :D
You are certain at home on it blacky :D
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Just read this thread from start to finish. Best laugh I've had in ages. Literally laughed out loud at several occasions.
Thanks guys.
Peace.
Rich
P.S. Black_GTI - don't take things so seriously dude - everyone knows how to wind you up and you fall for it every time! ;)
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^^^ came over a bit surfer in that last post didn't I?! "Peace", "dude" and all that. 8)
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duuuudeeee!!!!!!!!! 8)
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in gruff voice
durrrddde
8)
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:D
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :D
i'd tell u wot black_gti and golfvr6 jst crack me up, black_gti you've gotta chill out man!
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Blacky will never chill out :D
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maybe we should send him a spliff in the post ;)
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or a 16v engine :D
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or a saxo ;)
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how about a woman?
:D
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na jst send him a empty box that'll give him amused 4 days!! :D
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:laugh: :laugh:
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Bit late there Sugar :grin: