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General => Shows, events, track days, motorsport => Topic started by: TRANTER on 26 March 2008, 19:44
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hi all im new to this and its something i realy want to do, i have a golf mk2 gti 8v its stripped out from the front seats backwards, full exhaust system decent plugs, panel filter front and rear trut braces and so on and a new 12 months mot. if some could help me with a list of things i should do first would be a massive help like seats and harness what type? bushes anti roll bars? what needs doing basicly to help me .brakes are standard and arnt the best what can you recomend dont have alot of money but anything will hlp , brake lines and so on.
also where could i go for my first trackday just want a cheap day out to try my car as ive been told its the best way to sort your car out.
and another thing sorry do you have to have a roll cage fitted or can you take any car cheers all carl
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You can take it without a cage - it's completely not necessary for track days.
However you should NOT fit harnesses without a cage - rear seatbelt points are not suitable to mount a harness to. Instead fit a belt-lock to the standard inertia reel belts until you've got a FIA-approved 6 point cage fitted. This should have harness mounting points in it.
Standard 239mm brakes are pretty lame. The 16V 256mm set up is rather more robust and fade-resistant. I have a set available for £60, if you want. You'll need to upgrade the master cylinder to a 22mm item, too.
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first time out your best making sure youve no fluid leaks , everything it tight and in good condition
you can have lots of fun in just a boggo road car thats what its al about
make sure tyre pressures are right , oil level (an keep an eye on it through the day) stuff like rubbers and arches arnt goin to leap off
make sure your brake pads are fairly new and that your disks are in good condition - Maybe an upgrade in brake fluid and braided lines do make a difference
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yes mate can you get more info on the brakes will they go straight on with no mods apart from the 22mm master cylinder whats the condition like but defo up for buying the brakes.
yea gona do my brakes and ive been looking into the full poly bush set just to help me out will leave the cage out for now but where can i get a belt locking kit cheers all carl
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For CG-Lock go to this site (http://www.cg-lock.co.uk/).
The condition of the brakes is fine and yes, they bolt up to the bottom of your struts. Get in contact if you want them.
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sound mate can you get me a pic is it just calipers and so on but no pads and discs will all these need upgrading to discs n pads cheers mate
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i like the look of those cg locks! a bit dear though
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yea £45is the best ive seen but its a hell of alot cheaper than a bucket n decent harness.
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hi our first track car was completely standard bar being stripped out. we then fitted some koni suspension and bought a second hand set of semi slick tyres. they both made a massive difference to the driving, but bugger all difference to the amount o fun we had. you need to decide if you are building the car mainly for fun or mainly for speed.
the one thing which yill ruin your day apart from mechanical failure is break fade. we are still running standrd 8 valve brakes on the new car but with grooved disks (performance benefits probably negligable on a ar like this) standard pads(going for red stuff next time) dot 5.1 fluid and braided hoses. we have not had any brake fade with the new car at all. the standard brakes on the old car used to fade very quickly indeed.
new car has poly bushes which makes everything feel really tight.
if you have plenty of money to spend then go for the 16v brakes, good discs and pads, braided hoses and 5.1 fluid. drop the suspension 40 mm , uprate the anti roll bars, poly bush everything, upper and lower front strut braces, rear strut brace, roll cage, plastic windows, race tyres etc etc. or just uprate your brakes and spend the money on more track days!
as or first time out, airfield days are usually good as you tend to have more run off if things so wrong.
where are you located?
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in telford shropshire mate but i would travel to things as its road legal to . i have front and rear strut braces full exhaust , lowerd around 40-50 mm standard brakes at the mo which i mite leave and do what you said add 5.1 fluid and decent pads and discs and ply bush everything and leave it like that for now.
is yours fitted with a cage?
its stripped out from the front seats backwards all front is still stand and i have four toyo proxy 1s on the front done 200 mile mate
what do you recomend mate i think ya car looks mint
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cheers. its not caged yet but we had a bit of a mishap on track on wednesday and now a cage is on the to do list. trouble is they are so expensive.
if i were in your position i'd uprate braged to the 16valve ones you were offered for 60 quid. thats a fair price. i dont think pads etc will cost you any extra.
sounds like your car is on the right track as it is. theres probably still weight to come off it though - theres a lot of sound proofing hidden behind the dash.in our last car we took the heater out too but have left it in this one - like yours, ours is road legal too and it got too cold!
we are happy running our car fairly standard. if something breaks and there is a better part available for reasonable money we'll upgrade. the only thing our car needs is more power (money!) and better drivers
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yea sound mate im looking into the polybush kits theres one on ebay £60 posted but not made by powerflex how hard are these to fit mate like rear beam wishbone bushes and all the rest mate. you planning any days i the near future mate
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ive seen these vents from the front which replace the foglights are these any good for your brakes or just a gimic cheers all if so wheres the best place to get these and cheap
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cheers. its not caged yet but we had a bit of a mishap on track on wednesday and now a cage is on the to do list. trouble is they are so expensive.
Group buy ??????? im after one so im sure there could be a discount on 5-10 if we can get enough people interested ????
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yea sounds like a good idea
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Good idea on the group buy but i'm skinted for a bit!
poly bushes were all on the car when i bought it so cant comment i'm afraid!
anything which ducts air to the brakes will be effective. the current car doesnt have anything yet but the fogs are coming out and i'll be putting something in there.
the last car was a small bumper model. we used a 50 ish mm hole cutter and cut through it, inserted ducting and pointed the other end at the brakes. dont know how effective it was (it must have done something) but it looked propper hard!
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Good idea on the group buy but i'm skinted for a bit!
Your not the only one , but it wouldnt hurt to make some enquiries see how many people we would need and what kind of discount we would be looking at
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yea will have to contact venom and see what they can come up with
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custom cages is probably a better bet , it manufacturers them so there isnt as big a mark up on them i dont think - 6 points are about 280 give or take i think ??
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im after a cage too, would be v interested in a group buy
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after reading all this tract car stuff im interested in a cage too so count me in!!!
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im after a cage too, would be v interested in a group buy
problem is which was to go , im guessing by the name you own a mk3 im not sure how it would work if we ordered different cages
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280 doesnt sound too bad - i was expecting a lot more than that. do you know if they are up to spec for you race car stu? i'm assuming yours will need to be FIA and all that jazz
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yea 280 sounds good we need a list to see how many people we can get
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Next best step would be the braided brake lines, IMO. Lewis hit the nail on the head. There's nothing more frustrating than doing 3/4 laps then having to come back in because the brakes are fading. Also, maybe consider running some decent pads like Ferodo DS2500's. I found these to be better than warm OE pads even when they were cold!!
I'd also be weary of running new road tyres as they can suffer from 'tread flex' & get ruined rather too quickly. Next best thing after road legal slicks (Toyo 888's, Yoko A048's etc.) would be part worn roadies with about 4mm on them. :afro:
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ps I don't know if Mk2's come with those brake splash guards like the Mk4's do, but removing them should aid brake cooling a bit.
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280 doesnt sound too bad - i was expecting a lot more than that. do you know if they are up to spec for you race car stu? i'm assuming yours will need to be FIA and all that jazz
Yeah its the Custom cage kit -
just like this one fitted to horneys old white MK2 - the one thats been turned into a racer
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k272/djkrazykev/IMG_0115.jpg)
you can get them with the single rear bar or full cross - think ats 260 for the single 280 for the cross , they come with door bars aswell
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yea im defo going to get new pads n discs before i go i hav new pads on the front now but there halford specials while i was getting the car ready for it mot also the braided lines will be coming on the scene then im going to remove the fogs and put some air ducts to the brakes in
them cages look good do you have to remove all to fit them and is any welding need
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them cages look good do you have to remove all to fit them and is any welding need
I think so , not sure how far forward they run as to how much dash is needed
all cages need "feet" welding in place to mount them to , but they are bolt in cages so they arnt directly welded to the bodyshell
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I'm interested in a group buy for a mk3 roll cage if anyones getting anything sorted.
Cheers
Paul