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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: stevieC on 15 March 2008, 21:07
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Just wondering if anybody else heard this,when my gti was in the dealers a couple of weeks ago for warrenty work it got the latest ecu upgrade,anyway got speaking to one of the mechanic or technicians as there called now about this upgrade and he tells me the standard gti is now running 215bhp. cheers stevie.
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I hope your right !!, that wont go down to well with the ed30 boyz. i wonder if thats the case.Someone else did say something simular that new 07-08's are running a higher bhp . they had their red GTI put on the rolling road and it was pushing 217hp which would add up with your findings.
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Did you notice any differece in performance after the upgrade to subsantiate it?
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Did you notice any differece in performance after the upgrade to subsantiate it?
The power delivery just felt smoother, but before it went to the dealers the car had a revo stage 1 which lasted 2 hours before the gti had an ecu failure so its hard to tell.
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Oh well that means the GTI is only 30 bhp behind the ED30 now instead of the original 45bhp. Rollers have proven :lipsrsealed: :grin:
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A question I need to ask Revo, but if your 200 bhp GTI is remapped to say 250 bhp and then this 215 update added, will you then make 265 bhp?
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A question I need to ask Revo, but if your 200 bhp GTI is remapped to say 250 bhp and then this 215 update added, will you then make 265 bhp?
Be good if it would :smiley:
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A question I need to ask Revo, but if your 200 bhp GTI is remapped to say 250 bhp and then this 215 update added, will you then make 265 bhp?
Be good if it would :smiley:
....But not so good if the GTI 215 update also upped the DSG torque even higher!
What's the VW code for this ECU update?
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Ok... Forgive my noobness but wtf is a GTI software update?
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Ok... Forgive my noobness but wtf is a GTI software update?
it's just a little prog that you can get from the web, and you overclock your engine a bit
But you need a USB connection in your car in order to download it into your engine's computer :wink:
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Ok... Forgive my noobness but wtf is a GTI software update?
....As the original poster wrote, it's an ECU update to the Mk5 GTI which would be done at your next VW dealer's workshop session on your car. As a matter of course, your car is plugged in and any available software updates from VW are then installed.
I hope this helps :smiley:
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My 05 GTI was serviced on the 5th of March and I asked if there were any ECU updates, they said no, So maybe it is only for newer models.
However I would be surprised if any routine updates would increase power as surly that would have insurance implications?
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it is doubtfull that they would increase it.Vw_sales may be able to find out if there is such a thing as this update or what does the 215 update include? what bug fixes etc
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Its a common trait with vw engines at the moment. 200bhp is quoted on 95 ron fuel. Vw tell me, running on 98 ron and above fuel like they are designed to, all GTI's should run between 213-220 bhp. The same goes for the ed30, it should (and does) run closer to 244bhp.
Red, no, the newer ecu update doesn't equate to 15 bhp on top of the remap. Take a look at REVO's site for example, the gti remap shows a before of 214bhp and an after of 255bhp. A lot of the tuners now talk of gti remaps of 215 to 240/50 ish.
I remember top gear and Evo magazines long term gti's both ran 215bhp and 15% more torque.
I agree though, the ecu update did change the delivery of power, for me it feels stronger near the red line.
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Is this ECU Update available world wide or is it like just in the UK?? Had my GTI serviced on Friday and it may be possible they upgraded the ECU software. :smiley:
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Can you have your GTI updated at the dealers even if it isnt up for a service? can you book it in just for this?
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Can you have your GTI updated at the dealers even if it isnt up for a service? can you book it in just for this?
....Of course. I'm sure that any VW dealer will be happy to take your money for any workshop time spent :evil:
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ed30-achieving 245-252, with remap 310 :evil: :evil: :evil:
Runs for cover!!!!!
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Live of a GTi is not just for blowing the ass out of it by chipping it to 300+ hp. Your choice of course and if it goes bang then best make sure your well insured to pay for it, and if i was looking to buy a good 2nd hand GTi, i wouldnt even bother if its been re-mapped, would you part with 15-20k on a car that the only thing you do to a chipped car is drive it hard.Gone would be the words of "1 careful owner"
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Live of a GTi is not just for blowing the ass out of it by chipping it to 300+ hp. Your choice of course and if it goes bang then best make sure your well insured to pay for it, and if i was looking to buy a good 2nd hand GTi, i wouldnt even bother if its been re-mapped, would you part with 15-20k on a car that the only thing you do to a chipped car is drive it hard.Gone would be the words of "1 careful owner"
....Whereas I mostly agree with you Phil about 2nd-hand remapped cars, I think a buyer should take the overall picture into consideration and make an individual judgement. Using myself as an example, mine is only remapped Stage1 and she has oil changed every 10,000 miles and plugs every 20,000 and she is regularly serviced and any hiccups immediately dealt with. Perhaps the fact that I'm a 60yo youngster might help people realise that although I sometimes drive hard, I never thrash her. The 2.0T FSI engine is designed to be driven enthusiastically but not necessarily constantly.
Doubtless I'll lose an awful lot of money when I eventually sell my GTI, but with no regrets whatsoever, and I would do my utmost to find a loving home for her with another caring enthusiast :smiley:.
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you are the exception red, is there any other 60 year old mk 5 gti/r32 owners out there. i doubt very much, food for thought if you gonna be trading or part ex' ing your hard earned in for.
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ed30-achieving 245-252, with remap 310 :evil: :evil: :evil:
Runs for cover!!!!!
Is this available at my local dealer? Or is 310 a 3rd party map?
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This update will be bug fixes only, there will be no power increase its just not something a manufacturer would do.
It could be likely that your car running better fuel might be putting out slightly more than the states 200bhp, as for Rolling Road results well dyno lottery springs to mind. At the end of the day its how it performs on the road and if your happy.
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ed30-achieving 245-252, with remap 310 :evil: :evil: :evil:
Runs for cover!!!!!
Is this available at my local dealer? Or is 310 a 3rd party map?
approx 300 is from a Stage1 remap - Revo, APR etc
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as for Rolling Road results well dyno lottery springs to mind. At the end of the day its how it performs on the road and if your happy.
....I couldn't agree more :cool: - On road driveability is all important. Power is useless without traction.
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i know someone that has his black ed30 chipped to 307bhp, and he says he cannot drive it fast off the line because there is absolutely no traction, too much hp for the front wheel to contend with.The only time he gets fast excelaration is when from 60mph onwards without it wheelspinning in every gear.Pointless in my eyes, why would you wanna put 300bhp on a front wheel drive car. You need 4wd for it to cope with.Vw should roll out a GTi special edition 300hp, 4wd, 2.0 litre tfsi with LSD then that would be a car to own im sure!!.
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i know someone that has his black ed30 chipped to 307bhp, and he says he cannot drive it fast off the line because there is absolutely no traction, too much hp for the front wheel to contend with.The only time he gets fast excelaration is when from 60mph onwards without it wheelspinning in every gear.Pointless in my eyes, why would you wanna put 300bhp on a front wheel drive car. You need 4wd for it to cope with.Vw should roll out a GTi special edition, 4wd, 2.0 litre fsi with LSD then that would be a car to own im sure!!.
....Well, not even I could mod a GTI to 4wd, but the LSD is easy! :evil:
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Vw should roll out a GTi special edition 300hp, 4wd, 2.0 litre tfsi with LSD then that would be a car to own im sure!!.
Agreed !
The Audi TTS engine and running gear in a Golf GTi would be an awesome car :drool: :drool: :drool:
or put in another way ... a 300 bhp 2.0FSI engine in the R32
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i know someone that has his black ed30 chipped to 307bhp, and he says he cannot drive it fast off the line because there is absolutely no traction, too much hp for the front wheel to contend with.The only time he gets fast excelaration is when from 60mph onwards without it wheelspinning in every gear.Pointless in my eyes, why would you wanna put 300bhp on a front wheel drive car. You need 4wd for it to cope with.Vw should roll out a GTi special edition 300hp, 4wd, 2.0 litre tfsi with LSD then that would be a car to own im sure!!.
To be honest 300 bhp through the front wheels is asking for trouble in most cars unless you know how to handle it, my own personal opinion is 307 bhp would be used far more for me while on the motorway or dual carriages for overtaking and edginhgahead of that a*hole that wants to sit in yer bumper :angry: Perfect conditions might see a sub 5.5 sprint from 0-60, but not that often!