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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: ste338 on 15 March 2008, 12:54
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like the title says, i am in the market for a golf and have around the £20 mark to spend.
now i have driven a couple of r32"s and love them, this would be my first choice BUT one thing concerns me, the mpg, i have been told ill get 25mpg round town etc, which i am fine with this but then i have this is load of crap and are much heavier, so this makes me think of the gti, and i have also been told that the gttdi 170 is a nice one too, so can you guys help me out with your experiance and ownership of these cars.
thanks
steve
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Between the GTI and the R32 they are both fantastic cars....obviously every one here will try and convince you to go towards the GTI. It all depends what you are after at the end of the day. You mention you test drove the R32 but have you test drove the GTI?
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no not yet, but do intend to before parting with my hard erned
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If you test drove it, it would deffinatley help you with your decision making. I currently have a GTI but as from next week will be a proud owner of an R32 so...once i drive that n stuff il give you my opinions on that car....the GTI is still very nice and easy to drive!
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hi ste338
i own a gttdi which i paid £20.000 for brand new i think that you need to be making your own choice as its your money , and its you who's gonna hane to live with it . myself i tend to spend alot of time on motorways and dual carriage ways so a diesel was my choice due to the +40mpg , and with the price always going up it was one of the main points i went for .
so you need to think what is your car going to be used for eg mainly fun , or pure power , sensible family taxi if its a bit of all you need to go and have some fun testing them all .
GOOD LUCK IN CHOOSING :wink:
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....As the other guys have said: It's a personal choice which should be based on test driving them all.
The R32 wasn't out when I test drove a DSG 2.0 TDI and a Manual GTI back to back. I chose and ordered the TDI but then the following day I locked Captain Sensible in the garden shed and changed my order to a GTI.
About a year later I test drove a Manual R32 back to back on exactly the same roads and route as my GTI (my dealer lent me the .:R). I loved the 4WD grunt and V6 soundtrack but mpg was silly and the car felt heavy compared with my GTI.
I'm driving about 18k a year so far.
Captain Sensible is still screaming in the garden shed :laugh: and I have no regrets but only you can decide :evil:
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think your right there, buy the way thats a realy nice gttdi :smiley:
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I test drove a GTI during the launch week and *dons flame suit* wasn't impressed, mainly with the power delivery, which a remap would've fixed but I wasn't prepared to do that to a brand new car, so I shelved the idea of a new car for a while.
When the ED30 GTI was released however, I was torn between that or an R32. The 4wd, extra toys as standard and the awesome exhaust note swung my decision towards the R32, especially since petrol consumption wasn't a huge factor in my situation. I've had it two weeks now and am loving it. However it DOES drink a lot of petrol, especially in inner city driving with traffic crawling and stop/starting.
If I had to do a lot of traffic driving, I would've chosen the ED30, but since my daily commute is mostly dual carriageway and winding country B roads with lots of roundabouts to slide around I really get to take full advantage of the fantastic haldex 4wd system. Oh and the noise, did I mention the noise yet? :grin:
Oh and I never even considered the diesel, because they're smelly and sound like tractors *runs away quickly*
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........and the awesome exhaust note swung my decision towards the R32,........Oh and the noise, did I mention the noise yet? :grin:
Oh and I never even considered the diesel, because they're smelly and sound like tractors *runs away quickly*
....I hate the sound of diesels and simply don't understand how anyone who calls themselves a performance car enthusiast can not be bothered about the soundtrack of their xzorst! But I'm an old petrolhead and proud of it! :evil:
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as much as the R32 sounds and looks like, you do know the road tax is going to be £400+ per year?
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as much as the R32 sounds and looks like, you do know the road tax is going to be £400+ per year?
....Don't let the barstards grind you down!! Most of the R32 boys I know are saying "Fingers!!!" to the fecking govn'ment.
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Now I'm not 'loaded' in the slightest, but lets be realistic.. if you can afford a MKV R32/GTI/ED30 in the first place an extra 100 quid a year on the tax isn't the greatest worry in the world. I spend a LOT more than that on fags anyway and I'll just quit smoking if money gets tight, so I can have healthy lungs to inhale all the lovely toxins that my pollution machine is kicking out.
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Im currently getting rid of my 170 tdi dsg passat, same engine as one of the engines in the golf GT TDi, and i have to say the engine is pants!!!!.Sounds like a bag of nails and does resemble a tractor. It has a large ammount of torque but only from 2000 to 3500 rpm,(Fart and you miss it).People who think their diesel 170's are fast, well oh boy are they living on cloud cockoo land. ive had the GTi before and i shouldnt of sold it the 1st time.My 2nd one will be ready (at long last) to collect monday.
If you drive the 3 choices, you'll ditch the GT diesel, or you could try a TSi 1.4 gutless airbox version, which is shocking just as bad.
You'll love the R32 soundtrack but will subconciously be watching the fuel needle move ever time you hit the gas peddle( and im not joking).
The GTi will please you in many ways, it ticks every box, performs totally different to any of the others and you can live with the running costs.
The R although a great car, is being totally priced off the road by the Goverment, i would have one no question but i really couldnt run one as a town runner unless you could live with putting in £60 of fuel, and that getting you 250 miles :shocked:. Drive them all to conclude yourself.
The decision is yours!
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You only live once!! buy the R32 and you wont regret it :grin: :grin:
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just got a 08 gti edition 30 last week in candy white after p/x a mk 5 golf r32, both excellent cars but I think the gti is the better car to drive. the weight of the r32 lets it and if you dont get the dsg it suffers from transmission judder and dont forget you will spend more time at the filling pumps.
Performance wise theres vey little in it, r32 is more responsive at low revs but when the gti 30 gets its turbo spinning I think its slightly quicker.
your decision mate but dont be blinkered by the r32 badge its not the better car just more expensive.
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Had a 3.2 Quattro DSG Audi A3 and now have Golf GTI. Though I have been driving my GTI and the missuses A3 3.2 Quattro DSG in parallel for the last fortnight. Thats right we loved the 3.2 Quattro DSG so much we bought two of them.
Whilst I loved the Audi, and could afford a £15-20K car. I still wasn't happy getting 18-24mpg fuel economy.
Whilst its not an R32, its the same V6 engine and 4wd system so pretty comparable.
In town you get 20mpg, less if you enjoy yourself, on the motorway at a steady 80mph your at 24mpg if your lucky.
With the Golf GTI your looking at a 10mpg increase on those figures.
Apart from that its down to personal choice really. I did find the 4wd reassuring and allows you to corner very fast and feel very planted, however I also found that left it feeling very unchallenging as you didn't really have to use skill and judgement in your driving. Whereas the GTI does require require a little more driver skill as its limits are easier to reach. I do however miss the standing start ability of the 4wd as it is quite easy to wheelspin off the line in the GTi, something I found never occured naturally in the 4wd. I do find the GTI feels lighter and nimbler.
You are also talking about completely different power deliverys, the 3.2 is undoubtedly quick and pulls from low revs effortlessly but I used to find the power delivery was very linnear and when coupled with the planted 4wd you didn't get the sensation to match the speed you were actually doing whereas the GTI has the turbo kick that means the sensation of speed matches the speed you are doing better. Whilst I haven't done any timings in either car I didn't notice any difference in actual performance between the cars.
I don't know about your location, but if its London, or if you find yourself in London often then you might want to consider the R32 will be in the £25 a day category from October time.
Plus dealers are already reporting a knock on effect in sales of high Co2 producing cars following the tax hikes in the budget and the R32 is in one of the highest categories and will continue to get a kicking from the chancellor.
The R32 and GTI are both great cars and you'll have great fun in either, hope the above has given you some food for thought.
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In town you get 20mpg, less if you enjoy yourself, on the motorway at a steady 80mph your at 24mpg if your lucky.
With the Golf GTI your looking at a 10mpg increase on those figures.
....I'd just like to say that to achieve 24+10 = 34 mpg you'll have to granny the GTI at 55-60 mph and not 80 mph.
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I had a diesel Golf Mk5 which had been remapped and had a few other goodies, I thought that was fast until I got my ED30 :evil: Don't get me wrong diesels are great cars for MPG, but that's about it, I think they lack the feel good factor of a high revving petrol engine. I test drove many cars before parting with my cash and had initially set my heart on an R32 until I drove it, I found it to be a bit of a disappoinment. I think there is a lot of badge hype with the car, just because it is known to be the flagship model of the golf does not necessarily mean it is the best imo. I found it to feel quite heavy and a bit of a lump :lipsrsealed: As soon as I got in my ED30 and that turbo went wild at 4500rpm I new I had made the right choice. As everybody says you should test drive each car and take your time with your decision, it is a large sum of money you are parting with. :smiley:
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In town you get 20mpg, less if you enjoy yourself, on the motorway at a steady 80mph your at 24mpg if your lucky.
With the Golf GTI your looking at a 10mpg increase on those figures.
....I'd just like to say that to achieve 24+10 = 34 mpg you'll have to granny the GTI at 55-60 mph and not 80 mph.
Robin,
I'm afraid to say that wasn't the case I was purposely comparing like for like when I did the journey as its a regular journey I do to one of my regional offices. There would be little point in me giving the guy who started the thread a bum steer on fuel consumption. I was doing a pretty steady 80-85mph the majority of the journey and saw a 34mpg return. Now I appreciate you're a long standing GTI owner and I'm not and you may have a different experience to me and would say if you have to state it, but please don't accuse me of trying to deceive in some way.
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In town you get 20mpg, less if you enjoy yourself, on the motorway at a steady 80mph your at 24mpg if your lucky.
With the Golf GTI your looking at a 10mpg increase on those figures.
....I'd just like to say that to achieve 24+10 = 34 mpg you'll have to granny the GTI at 55-60 mph and not 80 mph.
Robin,
I'm afraid to say that wasn't the case I was purposely comparing like for like when I did the journey as its a regular journey I do to one of my regional offices. There would be little point in me giving the guy who started the thread a bum steer on fuel consumption. I was doing a pretty steady 80-85mph the majority of the journey and saw a 34mpg return. Now I appreciate you're a long standing GTI owner and I'm not and you may have a different experience to me and would say if you have to state it, but please don't accuse me of trying to deceive in some way.
....No, no, no! I'm not accusing you of any deceit and please accept my apologies for saying anything if it makes you think that way.
I'm only reporting a different experience of mpg. The bottom line is that we all achieve surprisingly varied mpg figures and I was only trying to balance your findings with another experience. I wasn't even thinking of any deceit aspect.
The point is that the GTI is more economical on fuel than the R32 but that the GTI is also relatively thirsty. If we bought these cars with mpg in mind, we'd get a diesel :sad:
I hope you don't still feel badly about my post :smiley:
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Steve, from what you have posted I think you would be happiest with the GTI :cool:
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Steve, from what you have posted I think you would be happiest with the GTI :cool:
Until you see/hear a R32 drive past you :lipsrsealed:
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Steve, from what you have posted I think you would be happiest with the GTI :cool:
Until you see/hear a R32 drive past you :lipsrsealed:
If they dare press the "use expensive juice faster" pedal :rolleyes: :wink: :lipsrsealed:
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Steve, from what you have posted I think you would be happiest with the GTI :cool:
Until you see/hear a R32 drive past you :lipsrsealed:
If they dare press the "use expensive juice faster" pedal :rolleyes: :wink: :lipsrsealed:
You wont have to press it for as long as you would in the Gti.. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
If your a fast driver then the difference really wont be all that much.. they both can go through the juice when your pushing on.
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Doesnt appear much in it, DSG GTi is a match for the R32 it would seem. :laugh:
sorry R32UK just had to do this.Both in standard form :cool:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz65y8bUkDI
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I drove a GT TDI, audi A3 TDI, BMW 120d before my GTI
as i was after powerfull diesel with good mpg but soon as i drove the GTI all that went out the window
The GTI is an all in one package, nice looks, spacey and powerfull more so than all those ive driven.. Well happy with mine :smiley:
As for an r32 id love one but couldnt afford to run one.
in that viedo above did i really just see a gti beat an r32??
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oh yes, i think the extra 100 weight in the R and 30 xtra bhp doesnt really come to much.only in the wet or twisty's does the R excel.ive been on the tail of an r32 down the motorway b4 and there was nowt in it
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oh yes, i think the extra 100 weight in the R and 30 xtra bhp doesnt really come to much.only in the wet or twisty's does the R excel.ive been on the tail of an r32 down the motorway b4 and there was nowt in it
Only to overtake him when he had to pull over for fuel :grin: :evil:
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buy a real gti... spend ya money on a mint mk2! :wink:
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If you can get a R32 then definalty its the one to go for. I love it more compared to my GTI.
The costs aint that much more either!! Dont go thinking they cost the earth, no enough when compared to the GTI:
My expereince:
My GTI:
Insurance: 389 pa
Fuel: 30 pw
Tax: 240 pa
My R32
Insurance: 435
Fuel: 40 pw
Tax: 300 pa (at present)
only 600 quid a year different!, 11.50 a week, thats like 2 packet of fags now a days!..
And yes its worth it!! :evil:
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yes but judging by your figures, you must do 3-4k at year annual mileage!.Tax is about to spiral aswell, you have drove the GTi then the R. you have no records to back this up.R32 is way more thirsty especially if you live in the suberbs.Only place i can foresee the R becoming more viable is if you live on a motorway slip road and drive loads of motorway journeys.Even the GTi isnt the most economical car round town returning 25mpg average if your sat in traffic regular.
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My work is 16 miles away, so 32 miles a day, and i drive a little over the weekend (i have a family car for carting kids around at the weekend), so only the odd trip to the shops etc etc.
I think in my GTI i was averaging just under 11k pa. I was putting in a normal week, 30 quid. I ve had my R32 2 months, and at the moment, doing the same trips, and am putting 40 quid in!.
As i said, its my own experience, so i can only judge that, so it isnt much more than a GTI.
Tax will only soar another 100 quid or so, (2 quid a week) so it really aint a lot to own a car like that.
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IMHO ED30 with stage 1 remap, 307bhp with 31mpg :evil: :evil: :evil:
If money was no object, R32 with MTM conversion, 400bhp, mpg who cares, although you will need to rob your Mum, Nan and brother too!!!! :tongue: