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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: trustno1 on 02 April 2004, 23:29
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ok after spending ages reading the old threads there seems that certain people on these boards seem 2 hav a bit of a problem wiv the 8v's
r they really that slow (mk2 golf gti 8v) compared 2 the 16v's? jst give me a stright answer is the mk2 16v a lot quicker than the good old 8v?
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In a word yes. ;)
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bah! im getting an 8v, cant afford a 16v due 2 insurance, :'( mite as well not bother wiv a GTi now :-[
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The 8v's are still ok i've owned 1 they are still fast and quick, just the 16valves go for longer in the gear's and they have an extra 1000 revs.
Go for an 8v mate if ya can't afford a 16v. ;)
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8v's are more better on fuel consumption i recon.
16v= higher insurance
8v's like mine= slow but nippy around town
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they are still a laugh, i got on, the 16vs are quicker but only really start pulling away from 70+, hardly anything init up to that. just remeber dont expect supercar performance from either! you could also tune you 8v up and get a 2l block, gotta be good for 150bhp i reckon ;D
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^^
i overtook you before 70
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
there both good fun, the 16v just got a bit more power thats all. chassis is pretty much the same.
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yeah by abput an inch! pretty hairy when james lost the back end, calmed down after that ;D
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ok, how bout an 8v wiv full system zort, induction kit, power boost vavle? would that keep up wiv the 16v's ;)
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I have owned a couple of 16v's and 1 8v. I would agree with most of the above and think the 8v was better for normal driving as it seemed to have more torque at lower revs, however the 16v do pull very well and do have the extra 1000 revs.
Put it this way, I had a 89 16v with zorst and drilled airbox. I kept up with a R5 turbo ;D.
Personally I would get a 16v, but they do drink more petrol and at the end of the day if you cant afford to insure it, then thats the end of the discussion really ;)
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ok, how bout an 8v wiv full system zort, induction kit, power boost vavle? would that keep up wiv the 16v's ;)
hmmm not sure take it to gti international and run it against some 26vs or race ya mates!
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16v
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eh! ???
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ok, lets put it this way........... is the mk2 golf GTi worthy of the GTi badge???
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:o certainley is the 16v is the better allround car but nothing wrong with the 8v have both and love both
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The first golf gti was a 8v. Nothing wrong with 2 valves per cylinder, top fuel dragsters are making 8000 HP and they are not even ohc.
Steve.
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16v is quicker than a lot of the newer 'hot hatches' such as the saxo VTS and such.
so having a 14yr old car that can still cut the mustard is pretty awesome.
u wanted a simple answer and it's 16v all the way. u never asked in terms of fuel consumption, but i feel i can drive the 16v as a normal car under 4k rpm and like an animal over it!! ;D
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mmmmmmn ive jst checked the online insurance quote, it turns out that its an extra 200quid 4 16valves, btw wiv tesco's insurance can u pay monthy as thats where ive got my quote from!!!
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they're both wicked dubs, and an amazing driving experience. Take 10 minutes to look through some of the threads, there are loads of 8v owners on here still getting wicked kicks out of their cars. you can always mod to go faster. see if you can get a test drive and make up your mind from how it feels, don't be put off by the 8v versus 16v debates on this site, I've afeeling they'll be going on here for years without a winner ;)
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versus 16v debates on this site, I've afeeling they'll be going on here for years without a winner ;)
there is a winner. its the 16v everytime.
the 8v is nice and respectable. but the 16v is a different game altogether.
tin
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I have an 8v digi, and a 16v too, both standard. I had the 8v for over a year b4 i got my 16v. Living in London, the 8v drives much nicer, and having alot of power on lower revs is excellent.
I know DOHCs like to sing, and when I got my 16v, it definately took some getting used to, as you have to change gears a bit further up the rev range to be smooth. I actually prefer the 8v 4daily use, trust me, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH 8v GTI
However alot of you northeners (who pay peanuts for insurance) have never seen rediculous speed bumps and narrow city roads like I have, u can actually make more use of the 16v's power. Driving flat-out head to head, the 8v might have quite impressive acceleration pulling off the line, but the 16v will sail past b4 u know it. Bottom line? 16v nuff said
Harry
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About insurance, I was with Tesco for around 3 years on my 8v digi, no other company would quote lower, and service was excellent coz they're such a big company.
I now have 5years NCB, and just turned 23. 16v is around ?200 xtra on the 8v anywhere u look, BUT Tesco quoted me well over a grand TPFT even b4 declaring mods, for my new 16v! I was paying around ?900 previously for my standard 8v.
I found a company called Brentacre 01792 650 933 who specialise in VW's and the modified. I dealt with Jon who knows all about MK2's and mods. I am now paying ?800 TPFT on 17"s with only body mods, however they allow any engine mods, as long as you don't exceed 150bhp without paying extra. You can pay in installments too.
My bro just bought my old GTI (8v digi) off me, and is going to insure himself with them too. I don't even want to know what non-Londoners are getting quoted, but Brentacre should be lower than Tesco!
Harry
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thanks guys! so wot i can make out from is that the 16valer is the daddy without any questions, but the 8v gti still cuts it, 1 more question as ive never driven a 8v (bin in 1) how does it compare power wise 2 a rover 214 1.6 GSI 16v's as ive driven 1 of them, which out of the 214 and gti is quicker off the mark and top end??
thanks in advance ;)
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if anybody could answer the above question that would b great ;)
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I wouldn't know, I try not to drive rovers if I can help it. ;)
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there's a reason they call dogs rover............. ;D
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i would have hought the gti, but i dont know i dont own a flat cap so have never driven a rover ;)
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lol, na its my old mans car and its pretty nippy! jst wanted 2 know how it compares 2 the 8v m2 GTi
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I have both at the moment an 87 8v and an 89 16v. The fuel consumption is not really noticably different. Around town the 8v is much better. Anywhere else the 16v is noticably quicker. The handling is slightly better as 16v is slightly lower as standard than the 8v but need to be really trying to notice it I would say this.
I bought my 16v first on the strength of how good a drive it is I bought another GTI which happened to be an 8v. If the first GTI I bought was an 8v I would have thought twice before buying another one and probably gone for an RS or something similar. Then I would have missed the 16v which would have been a real shame.
Also on paper the mk2 16v is the fastest Golf GTI 0-60 in standard trim. Excluding VR's R32's V5's etc. ;D
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;D to davs mk2, that is possibly the best looking mk2 golf i have ever seen!is it yours mate?whats the spec on it?wheels?nice dub!
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thanks guys! so wot i can make out from is that the 16valer is the daddy without any questions, but the 8v gti still cuts it, 1 more question as ive never driven a 8v (bin in 1) how does it compare power wise 2 a rover 214 1.6 GSI 16v's as ive driven 1 of them, which out of the 214 and gti is quicker off the mark and top end??
thanks in advance ;)
If its a 214 it'll give the 8v a run for its money. if its a 216 then i wouldn't fancy my chances in an 8v. if you were comparing against a 16v Mk2, then you wouldn't notice either a 214 or 216.
Quite simply, the extra valves just makes the car so much more responsive and thrashable. And the K series 1.6 16v is a mean competitor.
Tin
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ive decided...... sod the insurance im going in 4 a 16 valver :D
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I can't believe there are still threads on 8v or 16v.
drive both and decide for yourself is the best way.
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ive decided...... sod the insurance im going in 4 a 16 valver :D
good job. you wont regret it ;D
just make sure you find a nice one. any sign of smoke and walk away, and ask the owner how fast hes gone in it.
if the dick says "135" or something stupid, try and find out how many times he did it, and decide whether your response will be to walk or run away.
tin
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8v has the benefit of being the better car for conversions from what i have heard. Hence i will be laughing at your 8v vs 16v discussions when i go for the G60 ;D
Seriously though i have heard that the 16v is a little more hard work on the motorway as you are not in the powerband on the motorway like you are in the 8v.
8v is all about useable power rather than outright topend performance.
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bah now you've got me thinking again, ok this would prob b my style of driving, i prob wouldn't do any more than a ton on the motorway, mite try and get top end once or twice but thats it was i would b 2 scared 2 lose my licence! most prob would boot it 0-60 where poss, but most of the times id prob go flat out 2 the speed limtstyle, so 4 my driving wot would b better 4 me 16v or 8v??
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mate 16v's pull well on the motorway
just drive one of each and decide yourself
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8v has the benefit of being the better car for conversions from what i have heard. Hence i will be laughing at your 8v vs 16v discussions when i go for the G60 ;D
Seriously though i have heard that the 16v is a little more hard work on the motorway as you are not in the powerband on the motorway like you are in the 8v.
8v is all about useable power rather than outright topend performance.
Well no not really at all.
It is a fact that the 16v has more power and torque all the way up the rev range than an 8v.
The 16v will piss all over an 8v on the motorway.
The 8v is a sorry 2nd best compared to a 16v in every way.
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8v has the benefit of being the better car for conversions from what i have heard. Hence i will be laughing at your 8v vs 16v discussions when i go for the G60 ;D
Seriously though i have heard that the 16v is a little more hard work on the motorway as you are not in the powerband on the motorway like you are in the 8v.
8v is all about useable power rather than outright topend performance.
Well no not really at all.
It is a fact that the 16v has more power and torque all the way up the rev range than an 8v.
The 16v will piss all over an 8v on the motorway.
The 8v is a sorry 2nd best compared to a 16v in every way.
doesnt matter how many times we say it vr6, they'll keep going on about 8vs.....
tin
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lol :D
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ok, def going 4 a 16v, damnit why didnt VW make jst a 16v and didnt bother wiv the 8v it would hav made life so much easyer, looks like i'll b paying a bit more insurance then :-\
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I have an 8V and love it to bits !!
Excelltn low down torque on the motorway and pleasing in the power range. I bought mine as an 8V as I do alot of motorway mileage during peak times and because of that I have to drive at the lower end of the rev range. Because of this the 8V is more pleasing to drive and also better on fuel economy.
If I could drive on the motorway at 'normal' speeds without distractions then I would have gone for the 16V. Insurance for me is not a problem as I am teatering (sp?) on the older side of life ;)
Paul :)
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ok, def going 4 a 16v, damnit why didnt VW make jst a 16v and didnt bother wiv the 8v it would hav made life so much easyer, looks like i'll b paying a bit more insurance then :-\
the 8v was largely historical. it'd been the stock engine carried forward from the mk1.
the problem was things like the RS Turbo. an 8v had no problems holding an xr3i at arms length but with things like the RS on the horizon VW had to raise their game, which they did quite nicely.
The original C plated RS was a very good car, but it suffered from an enormous problem that it was too hard core. The suspension resulted in a trip to casualty to have your spine xrayed, and lets face, if your gonna pull a bird its best not to include a trip A&E on your date.
hence the 16v walked away with the prize, and the E+ plated RS had its nuts chopped off.
tin
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i brought an 8 valve cos i wanted, full service history, less than 100k sound bodywork and no rude boy mods had to be mint! 16v or 8v i dont care i looked at both and out of 13 cars over 2 months ish my 8v was cleanest! series 1 rs turbo are quick! but they are ford :-\
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mmmmmmn it seems 2 be 50 / 50 here ??? but wot i can make out from is that the 8v its a nicer drive and better for town driving, where as the 16v is better on the motor way and after 4rpm
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btw yeah the RS turbo is very quick, but u wanna get in my mates kitted up escort cosworth :o that was focking quick!!
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honestly drive them both you wont be disappointed at all!
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well just been out on back roads today in the misses 8v loved it ;D in fact thinkin of swopping the valver for another for myself so if any1 fancies a swop/deal let us know J plate oak green 114k ;)
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mmmmmmn it seems 2 be 50 / 50 here ??? but wot i can make out from is that the 8v its a nicer drive and better for town driving, where as the 16v is better on the motor way and after 4rpm
The 8v is the same as a 16v around town, at low revs. On the motorway there is no contest, 16v every time.
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basically is what it is is 8v was first and vw bettered it with a 16v, this by no means means the 8v is crap, both are good cars and yes there are faster out there but drive them you wont be disappointed! handling is sublime for a car of its age! and you would be surprised how many cars you can beat in the twisties in an 8 or 16v!
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I had 8v GTi... and wasn't too bad...
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well just been out on back roads today in the misses 8v loved it ;D in fact thinkin of swopping the valver for another for myself so if any1 fancies a swop/deal let us know J plate oak green 114k ;)
iamlooking for a 16v 3 door at the mo
I have a j plate 8v, red, standard 107k(5 door though)
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cheers Pauldpgc was after another 3dr golf nothing against 5drs mind thanks :)
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cheers Pauldpgc was after another 3dr golf nothing against 5drs mind thanks :)
No probs.. My car is sick at the mo anyway :'(
ill just get it fixed and autotrader it & make good profit
i got it for ?450 j reg 107k v good con
But i want 3dr 16v ;D ;D ;D
Thanks for geting back to me any way
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another question wots wiv the clocks!!! ive seen mk2 gti 16v which has 160mph and 8,000rpm, then ive seen 2 8valvers gti 1 has 120mph and 7,000rpm and the other 8valver 140mph wiv 7,000rpm, Wots going on??????? ??? ???
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16v revs another 1000 over the 8v, and the clocks depend on what year you car was made i think ???
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160mph ones are worth dollar!
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My friends got a 16v 90 spec and i have a 1989 8v and a clio 16v
His golf will beat mine anyday of the week, But my clio kills his 16v for kicks lol.
Still i prefer my small bumper 8v great for sticking down counrty lanes :D
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its about as simple as this 8)
the 8v and the 16v are massivley diffrent cars.
it really depends wat u want form the car, if you live in a built up town type place then u definately want an 8 valve( lots more accessible torque), however if you live in the sticks then your onto a winner either way 8v or 16v.
the 16v is obviously faster( this point shoud not even be discussed in forums anymore!!!!) >:
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The 8v has more accessable torque than a 16v?
who told you that?
The 16v is better in every way than the 8v.
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with the newest pushin 12yrs old just buy the best example of either model u can find, as they are both top cars Marcus`s description above sums it up really :)
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nice dub oakie, wats the spec on that?
ive just purchased an 89 g reg 8 valve, no serious mods as of yet...... but i am looking to do some serious work to it as i picked it up for a measly sum of money.
another point to be made in the 8v VS 16v debate is that the 8 valve is alot easier to modify than a 16valve, thats straight from the horses mouth( c and r vw specialist in nottingham). so thats another reson y i went for the trusty 8 valve.
its a varied question with no real definitive answer, u need to test drive both and come to your own conclusion on which suits you the most.
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Another point is even though the 16v is marginally more difficult to modify, more expensive though, the gains will be a lot better.
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its about as simple as this 8)
the 8v and the 16v are massivley diffrent cars.
it really depends wat u want form the car, if you live in a built up town type place then u definately want an 8 valve( lots more accessible torque), however if you live in the sticks then your onto a winner either way 8v or 16v.
the 16v is obviously faster( this point shoud not even be discussed in forums anymore!!!!) >:
what is it with the 8v bullsh*t regarding torque??
for the 11th time this month, the 16v develops more torque at 2800rpm than the 8v does at any point in its rev range. the 16v never develops less torque than the 8v.
Tin
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whered u get that one from tinman?
isnt this debate getting a little bit b!tchy now? ithink we all need to calm down and just realise one thing.... whether you have got an 8v or 16v you are winning anyway, because they are both great cars!!
and my 8v is no slouch either >:(
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Tinman is correct, the 16v produces more bhp and torque all the way up the rev range.
The 8v is a good car, but its about time that we get rid of this myth that it is more 'torquey' low down.
It simply isn't true.
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whered u get that one from tinman?
isnt this debate getting a little bit b!tchy now? ithink we all need to calm down and just realise one thing.... whether you have got an 8v or 16v you are winning anyway, because they are both great cars!!
and my 8v is no slouch either >:(
i spent about 6 hours researching it. actual discovery of facts!!! :o :o :o
g*dd*mn - someone with facts......
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I have driven plenty of 8 and 16v's, the 8v feels the same as the 16v up to 4000rpm, then the 16v leaves 8v for dead.
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i got a fact for u, there both gr8 cars!
so for god sake, lets stop the b!tchiness!
would a chip be the best thing to improve my 8vs response over 4000 revs?
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thanks Marcus the 16v is more or less standard got a full scorpion system inc 4-1 manifold and a K+N panel filter in a modded airbox ,misses has a 91 8v again stainless system and filter car drives very well but with 185k a bit too high to go modding love a blast now and again,what sort of work you got planned for your 8v?
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serious work! ;D money permitting. >:(
aestically my car needs some nice spoke rims, orr bbs split rims, also want to get g60 arches and also crystal abd red tail lights.
the power modifications is where i wanna get serious tho! full stainless steel exhaust, chip, piperx filter, port polished and also a kent cam.
i live in nottingham so im lucky enough to have a vw specialist just down the road from me( they dont take the piss on price either) so this is where iull be getting the work done! ;D ;D
how much u get the wheels for oakie?
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marcus i think oakie is selling those wheels if you ask him nicely! ;)
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oakie! ;D
are you selling those wheels man? :D
no body can see my drilled brake discs behind my steel wheels!!
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Marcus I was looking to sell them but have sold another set of alloys in the meantime so only have these whilst I am refurbin some BBS ra`s will see when they are done and on the car are you interested?
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yo,
for the right price of course im interested
how much?
getting back to the debate in question, this should finish it for trust no 1........... they are both great cars, test drive both and c which one u prefer!
oakie, where are you located?
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I have an 8v and would like a little extra power and so thought it would be cheaper to buy a 16v than to increase the power on my 8v. So recently got to test drive a 91 16v with just over 100k and full vw service history...
(http://www.navalon.org.uk/temp/gti/16v-vs-8v.jpg)
From having a good go in a 16v I can say the following:
- The 16v is faster, no surprise there, but all the extra power over the 8v is only available at high revs, I'd say in excess of 4000rpm. To really notice the difference the engine needs to be worked 'very hard' right up to red line.
- The 16v engine to me didn't feel like it had any less torque at low revs, at very low revs the engine maybe feels like it doesn't pick as nicely especially in higher gears, but no real noticeable difference. To me it really just felt like a high revving 8v.
- Also I thought that the 16v engine seemed noisier (a little less refined), maybe it's because you end up driving using higher revs, or maybe because of the extra valves?
For me personally I wasn't that impressed, the 16v didn?t feel that much faster, certainly not enough for me to have to sell my 8v, plus what I really like is mid range grunt and so I'm probably better off modding my 8v.
Like for like (i.e. same price, mileage, condition etc) obviously go a 16v as they demand a higher price. If you like high revs and changing gears allot go for a 16v, if not go for an 8v. If it were me a go for the Mk2 in the best condition and not worry too much about the number of valves?
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very sound advice zoid.
i like the mid range grunt from my 8v, thats why im sticking with it.
to tell you the truth there is not that much of a diffrence to justify me buying a 16valve.
im goin to modify my 8 valve tho, its a beauty so y not.
then when i want to get really serious im going to stick with the mk2 and go for the most special golf ever made........... the g60.
thats at least a year down the line tho :P
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i like the ?500 a year my 8v saves me on insurance over the 16v
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yeh id much rather save that kind of money a year and spend it on mods that would make the trusty 8valve go better than a 16v anyway!!!
thats the way to do it :D
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Not much of a difference between an 8 and 16v???
Seriously chaps i don't think you could have driven a decent 16v.
Thats the same as saying there isn't much difference between the 16v and vr6 ;)
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why do you all go for a golf gti? Because it's cheap and hot. The 8v is much cheaper than 16v (car price, repair, fuel consumption ant of course insurance) and it is as hot as the 16v till 4000rpm. The 0-100 km/h it does almost in the same time. So what is a better hot hatch around town? Go cheap and fast with 8v, go faster with 16v if you need, but you won't feel the advantage untill you go on motorway. I don't go on motorways often, my 90' 8v suits me perfectly, i would like a 16v, but i don't want to pay an extra for it.
With all the respect.
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i like 3dr 8v's with manual windows and 1/4 glass, then again I like billy ray cyrus and wear vests
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Not much of a difference between an 8 and 16v???
Seriously chaps i don't think you could have driven a decent 16v.
Thats the same as saying there isn't much difference between the 16v and vr6 ;)
they're all mad. totally raving.
tin
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so is is true that both 16v and 8v r about the same till u get 2 4000rpm??
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Not much of a difference between an 8 and 16v???
Seriously chaps i don't think you could have driven a decent 16v.
That?s the same as saying there isn't much difference between the 16v and vr6 ;)
It's very subjective trying to describe the speed difference between them, maybe the 16v I drove wasn't a good one (although it had been well maintained) or maybe I just had unrealistic expectations of how fast the 16v is. Of course it's faster but I suppose I wasn't that impressed, plus I just didn't like having to use high revs all the time to get at the extra power, now if you had 16v power delivered like an 8v then I would be raving about it!
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Not much of a difference between an 8 and 16v???
Seriously chaps i don't think you could have driven a decent 16v.
That?s the same as saying there isn't much difference between the 16v and vr6 ;)
It's very subjective trying to describe the speed difference between them, maybe the 16v I drove wasn't a good one (although it had been well maintained) or maybe I just had unrealistic expectations of how fast the 16v is. Of course it's faster but I suppose I wasn't that impressed, plus I just didn't like having to use high revs all the time to get at the extra power, now if you had 16v power delivered like an 8v then I would be raving about it!
with all due respect its not subjective.
the difference is very real and not in the mind.
tin
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oh dear people, this is all getting very b!tchy again isnt it :-[
my simple point was that i couldnt justify the diffrence enuf for me to go out and buy a 16valver.
when me and my 8v get serious, ill be looking towards a vr6 or g60 conversion, thats the point i was making! ;D
both great cars, lets debate, not argue ;)
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why do you all go for a golf gti? Because it's cheap and hot. The 8v is much cheaper than 16v (car price, repair, fuel consumption ant of course insurance) and it is as hot as the 16v till 4000rpm. The 0-100 km/h it does almost in the same time. So what is a better hot hatch around town? Go cheap and fast with 8v, go faster with 16v if you need, but you won't feel the advantage untill you go on motorway. I don't go on motorways often, my 90' 8v suits me perfectly, i would like a 16v, but i don't want to pay an extra for it.
With all the respect.
good point mate, i was trying to get this across earlier on in the thread.
for town driving your onto a winner either way!
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with all due respect its not subjective.
the difference is very real and not in the mind.
tin
I'm sorry but with all due respect it's very subjective trying to describe speed and performance, this can be measured using empirical values, for example using time, lets say look at 0-60 and top speed, the 16v is 0.4 of a second faster to 60 and has an extra 10mph top, doesn't sound a massive amount to me.
However trying to describe the speed and performance is extremely subjective, what feels fast to one person may feel slow to another, for example a go kart doing 30mph may 'feel' faster than a Merc doing 100mph. All I was saying was that to me the 16v didn't feel that much faster, this is just my subjective opinion, end of.
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??? its only subjective if you use the word wrong :-\
we've already come to the conclusion that the 16v you drove was pants.
tin
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??? ??? ??? ???
we've already come to the conclusion that the 16v you drove was pants.
tin
How on earth can you come to the conclusion that the car was 'pants' were you there? I have a right to my own opion, just get over it....
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??? ??? ??? ???
we've already come to the conclusion that the 16v you drove was pants.
tin
How on earth can you come to the conclusion that the car was 'pants' were you there? I have a right to my own opion, just get over it....
pants?? very easy - i have owned a 16v for 11 years. i have been challenged by so many 8v owners its unreal. It like they all have something to prove.
and not a single 8v owner has managed to get their crate past me, or has even sat close to me at the end of my first gear reach.
why they even bother i have no idea? they are not going to get past. they dont even pose a problem. i don't even get satisfaction from beating them - they are dull. its a bit like chasing a milk float.
i am telling you for a fact, that if you see no difference or little difference between an 8v and 16v - then something was wrong.
you do have a right to your opinion, you are absolutely correct - but you must also face up to the fact that the 16v is much quicker than an 8v. If you are a happy 8v owner - then thats great. Its a wonderful car. But its not 16v and the difference is measurable.
but hey, dont take my opinion, not like i've driven 8vs, 16vs and VR6s to know what the difference is.
tin
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So what's the best then???
Only ripping the piss!
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well with due consideration, i think the 8v is probably better.
its faster, handles better, and will beat a vr6 any day of the week. but that is subjective of course ;D ;D ;D
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In reality the 8v no longer cuts the mustard in the world of hot hatches. The 16v still does ;)
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zoid and tinman put away your handbags for god sake.
im sorry to say that i totally have to disagree with golf vr6, the 8valve still cuts it in the world of hot hatches.....do you kno why? one word, and that word is QUALITY. that is one thing that alot of hot hatches do not have, and something that the 8valve has lots of.
tinman, is your 16valver standerd? have you only been racing standerd 8valves?
i think you need to put your claws away mate :P
were all golf owners here!!
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can't we all just get along. or something like that anyway. ;D
I rather like my 16v. guess I'll keep her.
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The 8v doesn't cut the mustard in the world of hot hatches because it is not fast enough.
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well with due consideration, i think the 8v is probably better.
its faster, handles better, and will beat a vr6 any day of the week. but that is subjective of course ;D ;D ;D
Tin don't be such an arse, did you actually read anything I said??
Performance and speed can be measured of course, and yes I totally agree the 16v is faster, when did I ever say otherwise? I would never try and challenge a 16v owner, that would be stupid. What I said if you actually read my posts is that it's very 'subjective' trying to 'describe' performance and speed, 'not' to measure it. I realize the 8v is not the quickest car which is why my first post states I drove the 16v to see if was the best option for me to get extra power rather than modding my 8v.
You say the '16v is much quicker than an 8v', would you care to actually quantify that statement, or maybe while you?re at it tell me how long a piece of string is?? Like I said in my subjective opinion I didn't think it was that much quicker (whereas in your opinion you say it's much quicker, that's the only difference), and I didn't like having to rev the nuts off it to get to all the extra power.
Now can we please put this silly argument to rest?
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im gonna really stir it here BUT i think they mk3 8v gti doesnt cut it at all. unless it family barge of the year! ;D
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just wanna see if black_gti will bite...................
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tinman, is your 16valver standerd? have you only been racing standerd 8valves?
totally standard buddy. i'd like to think the nuts in the 8vs had standard cars - if they didn't they'd be even more gutted :'(
zoid - stop using the word subjective - its not subjective. please please please look up the word in a dictionary. its not the fact that you fail to understand that the 16v is quicker - its the fact you keep using the wrong word!!
subjective does not mean "in your opinion".
you are using a word that means "Existing only in the mind; illusory." The difference in performance is not in your mind - its a very real difference!!
Tin
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I think veedubgti8v should scan in his owners manual.
There is no way the 8v does 0-60 in 8.3 secs, more like 9.5 secs.
The 16v will do it in under 8.
Now that is quite a difference ;D
We won't even mention the mk3 8v :D
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i scanned it in how do i post the pic here???
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The OFFICIAL vw figures state
8v 0-62 10.0 secs
16v 0-62 8.5 secs
This proves the 16v is SUBSTANTIALY QUICKER than the 8v. Even if you chop some time off as vw figures are always moderate, the the 16v is 1.5 sec quicker than the 8v.
Over 60mph the 16v will pull away even more.
I THINK THAT PUTS AN END TO THE ARGUMENT.
Many thanks to veedubgti8v for the use of his owners manual ;)
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personally i think the 8v is a bit quicker than that, but the 16v does have a superior engine, anyway lets stop b!tching and just focus on one thing vw golf!
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Yeah i agree, the 8v will be quicker than 10 sec , probably more like 9.
But to say it does in just over 8 sec is stretching it a bit :D
Anyway Veedub, your car is mint ;D
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yeah i know! ;)
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Where is blackgti?
Mk3 8v is sh!t, mk3 8v is sh!t
0-60 in 10.9 secs
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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zoid - stop using the word subjective - its not subjective. please please please look up the word in a dictionary. its not the fact that you fail to understand that the 16v is quicker - its the fact you keep using the wrong word!!
subjective does not mean "in your opinion".
Sorry I should really say my opion based upon my experience...
"Subjective - Particular to a given person; personal: subjective experience. "
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hahahhahahah ;D
all becoming a bit of a joke now!
why dont we all consider this point:
which is better, a modded 8v or 16v????
there is no alternative in this debate but to say that it is the 8v digi everytime.
straight from the specialist at c an r in nottingham.
for this reason alone im sticking with the 8valver every time! ;)
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Not true!
A 9A will go easily into a 16v, straight swap for the KR block, blow away any 8v, even with 2.0L.
:D
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hahhahah,
tell me something vr6, do you have a vr6 or a 16valver?
r u still goin to tell me that it would beat an 8valver with a g60 conversion? :o
i dont think so ;)
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16v's are quicker than 8v's end of story. Same basic car - more power.
As for the G60 that's totally different!!
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hahhahah,
tell me something vr6, do you have a vr6 or a 16valver?
r u still goin to tell me that it would beat an 8valver with a g60 conversion? :o
i dont think so ;)
No it won't if you put a supercharger or turbo on a 16v ;)
Just face it mate 16v will always be better than 8v.
G60 16v limited ;D
By the way i do actually own a vr6, i used to own a mk2 16v and a passat 16v. In good running order you would have to be on drugs not to notice the difference between a good 8 and 16v.
The best conversion to do on a 16v is the 9A block, not that expensive and get up to 200bhp with a decent head and cams.
I do like 8v, really i do :D
Just they don't make you brick yourself in the same way that a 16v or vr6 does ;)
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I got my missus to film me go down the road in my 16v yesterday and it sounds and looks f*ckin' awesome. Oh, and I do remember bricking more than once getting used to driving it!!
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To the person who said the 8v should no longer be called a hot hatch... i can tell you that i had an 8v that would do 0-60 close to 9 seconds with NO mods and i have beaten a few 16v's off the line(although i was caught up about 6 seconds later). 8v's still can cut it in this day and age!
cant imagine y any1 would want 1 over an 8v with the amount of money you save on insurance and buying the car
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ok, so we come to a conclusion:
16v is faster (high rev), but overall 8v is a better choice (much cheaper, around town is the same as 16v) :)
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Sorry for this Vr6 but i'll have to chip in here !!! ;D
I'll be the first to admit that from a pure power point of view the 16v is much better almost 30bhp more plus the slightly taller gearing means great acceleration. Change for aftermarket suspension and there's no difference in handling, but the 16v does have the better brakes.
But posted elsewhere in here is some performance figures showing the torgue figures / peak power @ 'x' rpm from a VW catalogue. It shows the 16v to only have a few lb/ft of torque more at not much more rpm. So on the move, there's not gonna be a huge ammount in it. The same comparison can be made of petrol / turbo diesel engines.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?board=7;action=display;threadid=8269
Let's just accept there's subtle difference here and all enjoy owning a piece of hot hatch history as there's more to owing a Golf GTI than pure speed, if that was all that mattered we'd be driving something French after all !!!
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ok, so we come to a conclusion:
16v is faster (high rev), but overall 8v is a better choice (much cheaper, around town is the same as 16v) :)
beautifully summed up by boogey sheftel.
the 8valve is the better choice.
with taking modifications into account it is definately the better choice 8).
no doubt.
i dont dislike 16valvers at all by the way :P
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Let's just accept there's subtle difference here and all enjoy owning a piece of hot hatch history as there's more to owing a Golf GTI than pure speed, if that was all that mattered we'd be driving something French after all !!!
lets not.
the only reason we'd settle for a compromise on such awful terms is to spare the feelings of 8v owners.....
and thats not going to happen ;D ;D ;D ;D
face it boys, the only 16v you beat was on the back of a tow truck.
Tin
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ok the real differences
16v has bigger front brakes (256mm compared to 239mm)
16v has slightly better suspension (10 mm lower)
16v has slightly more power and torque up to about 4000rpm, not much in it here
16v pisses all over 8v over 4000rpm.
oh and myths to clear up too
16v is not slow and torqueless at town pace, its stil more powerful than 8v
and you will feel the power difference other places except on the motorway, like every gear from 1st to 5th
8v has better
fuel consumption
insurance group
easier to work on?
;D ;D ;D
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tinman stop being b!tchy man! 8)
accept this
everyone is entitled to there own opnions, both great cars.
however.. to vee dub 16valve
the only decent thing you mentioned was that the 8valve is easier to work on.
which is a very important!
a 16 valve is quicker in standerd form....SO WHAT
if you want to modify, the best choice to go far every time is the 8valve.until you tell me that you are a mechanical expert there is no arguement involved.
8valver to modify everytime.
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i notice you have changed your argument marcus ;D
why is it easier to modify? are you saying you can modify an 8 valve to be more powerful than a modified 16v? theres something wrong with your logic there.
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Why don't you all agree to disagree! they are all great cars but yea the 16v is faster but the 8v is cheaper to insure! :D
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im not going to get b!tchy :P
my point is very simple
the 8valve is an easier car to modify, therefore a better bet to have if you have modifying in mind.
good enuff logic for you? :P
if you dont believe me give c and r a call01159785740!
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but surely when you modify a car you want to get the best power out of it, yes? and personally i would rather put a bit more effort into the mods if necessary to have more power. why dont you buy a mini marcus. there a piece of piss to mod.
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gud joke :-[
what have you done to your 16valver vee dub?
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nothing yet, gonna do the chassis first cos im happy with the power for the time being.
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:o ha
could come a cropper when it come round to doing those mods mate.
wont be done as easily as i will do mine,or as effective.
maybe you want to look at getting a mini yourself?
:D :D :D :D :D :D
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Have decided to wade in on this whole argument! Have just swopped my 92 8v digifant for 90 16v 3dr (in oak green no less with aircon!!) both vehicles are 100% original. The 8v was an excellent car which i had for a year, but proved expensive to maintain and slightly unreliable at times due to severe probs with the exhaust/manifold and coolant systems. It had a very torquey and loose engine though with only 78k on the clock. NOW here is the verdict: the 16v is almost as punchy at low revs, very little in it in town (only minus point tho). It is much faster overall, sounds better, the handling is pin sharp, economy on long trips equals the 8v in my opinion, it stops better, and it looks sexier due to badging and slightly lower ride height and bee sting aerial. I am also convinced that it will be more reliable long term despite higher mileage (119k).
In summary everything veedub just said i agree with.....8v=4 1/2 stars, 16v=5 stars! :)
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theres something wrong with you marcus. your like black_gti but more attitude (if thats possible). >:(
in summary mk2 gti 8v wicked car, 16v same car just slightly better, ok ;)
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actually yes this is a pointless argument now. prob just trying to justify and console myself for the extra premium i just shelled out for the 16v. will try and think of something else to talk about......
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dont get stroppy veedub! ;)
in your opnion its a better car, not mine.
so lets agree to disagree?
we both own golfs at the end of the day.theres no point making enimies is there, we should concentrate on hating saxo drivers!!! ;)
and if you still want to argue we can get together and have a race!, its not all the car you kno, its the driver too! :D :D :D
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im not arguing, im stating facts. you are getting stroppy because these facts are not to your liking. and im not agreeing to disagree because i am right and you are wrong.
how is an 8v a better car than the 16v then? explain it to me.
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im not arguing, im stating facts. you are getting stroppy because these facts are not to your liking. and im not agreeing to disagree because i am right and you are wrong.
how is an 8v a better car than the 16v then? explain it to me.
im sorry mate but you are just sounding childish now.
how can you try and tell me that you are right and i am wrong without it all sounding like it turning into a joke?
i had the choice of buying both cars, i went to my local specialist to get some information on which was the better car(baring in mind i was goin to do some modifications) they sed that they are both excellent cars but the 8valve is better to mod. so i chose the 8 valve on there EXPERT advise.
im afraid to say we have to agree to disagree because im not entertaining your (im right and your not philosophy).
that kind of attitude is a funny to me :D :D :D
i thougt this was a grown up conversation?
ive given you the number call them and find out ;)
put that in your pipe and smoke it :P
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tinman stop being b!tchy man! 8)
why? have i offended an 8v owner? tough luck ;D ;D ;D
the only decent thing you mentioned was that the 8valve is easier to work on.
i've often leaned over to the owner of a porsche 996 and said "look mate - my 16v is actually superior to your 996 - cause its easier to work on and doesnt have all those fancy gimmix".
do you really he thinks he give a f? he wouldn't - why would a 16v owner?
come on; you 8v guys are running out of arguments. not one 16v owner has seen your vision of light yet and downgraded.
give up... 8)
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im not arguing, im stating facts. you are getting stroppy because these facts are not to your liking. and im not agreeing to disagree because i am right and you are wrong.
how is an 8v a better car than the 16v then? explain it to me.
im sorry mate but you are just sounding childish now.
yes - damn those facts - its just childish. people spoil perfectly good arguments with facts. i agree.
how can you try and tell me that you are right and i am wrong without it all sounding like it turning into a joke?
yes - what does a fact have to do with it. a 16v is faster than an 8v, its a fact - but why should you believe a fact. they just spoil things....
i had the choice of buying both cars, i went to my local specialist to get some information on which was the better car(baring in mind i was goin to do some modifications) they sed that they are both excellent cars but the 8valve is better to mod. so i chose the 8 valve on there EXPERT advise.
Call me a cynic - or did they just want to sell that 8v Golf?
OMG - you found the one honest car salesman. Quick, everybody round there today....
im afraid to say we have to agree to disagree because im not entertaining your (im right and your not philosophy).
yes, damn those wretched facts again.... everyone can be right all of the time. Welcome to New Labour.
that kind of attitude is a funny to me :D :D :D
i thougt this was a grown up conversation?
ive given you the number call them and find out ;)
put that in your pipe and smoke it :P
no, it was one of those childish conversations where FACTS mean nothing - and its all about making things up... :o :o :o
now where is the sand, i need to bury my head and find the real level of this argument.
tin
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NOW here is the verdict: the 16v is almost as punchy at low revs
So we have an agreement on this: the 8v has more torque at low revs
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NOW here is the verdict: the 16v is almost as punchy at low revs
So we have an agreement on this: the 8v has more torque at low revs
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D that was a joke right?
??? ??? ??? oh dear, you might be serious.....
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From my understanding the 16v actually has slightly more torque throughout the entire rev range, just over 5% more torque than an 8v but produced at higher revs. (although it?s arguable you?d notice 5% extra on the roads)
(http://www.navalon.org.uk/temp/gti/1990-GTi-Specs.jpg)
However because the different is very slight and because of the actual engine characteristics of the 8v i.e. not revving as high and producing it's max torque at lower revs, it quite often 'feels' like it's more torquey than the 16v.
Of course the 16v is the faster car, there is no doubt about it, however because of the constant need to have to use high revs to get the extra I wasn't won over by it as opposed to my 8v. Now maybe a 16v with a 2L bottom end would be a completely different story?
In terms of modding in some areas the 16v is better, for example the 16v responds better to cc increase as opposed to the 8v which needs allot more head work in order to get it to breathe properly.
Both cars are great, if you enjoy using high revs then 16v all the way, if not then the 8v has allot to offer and in my opinion isn't far behind it?s 16v brother.
btw Tin no offence but you should listen and respect other people's opinions and views a bit more rather than being sarcastic... ;)
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tinman lets just give up :)
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definitely agree with you there zoid. It feels as though the 8v is more torquey but that is not what it says on paper. One certainty after the recent swop from 8v to 16v is the top end difference. Added to that there are so many cars that exude different characteristics despite having the same engine. I can well imagine a 16v being fairly useless below 4000 rpm. Thankfully mine has been driven so well by previous owners and cared for that it is very punchy. :)
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Does anybody have 0-100 times or 30-70 in geaqr times for both cars?
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tinman lets just give up :)
its probably wise ::)
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Does anybody have 0-100 times or 30-70 in geaqr times for both cars?
you mean the 8v can make it to 100...?
sorry, sorry couldnt resist.
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im not arguing, im stating facts. you are getting stroppy because these facts are not to your liking. and im not agreeing to disagree because i am right and you are wrong.
how is an 8v a better car than the 16v then? explain it to me.
im sorry mate but you are just sounding childish now.
how can you try and tell me that you are right and i am wrong without it all sounding like it turning into a joke?
i had the choice of buying both cars, i went to my local specialist to get some information on which was the better car(baring in mind i was goin to do some modifications) they sed that they are both excellent cars but the 8valve is better to mod. so i chose the 8 valve on there EXPERT advise.
im afraid to say we have to agree to disagree because im not entertaining your (im right and your not philosophy).
that kind of attitude is a funny to me :D :D :D
i thougt this was a grown up conversation?
ive given you the number call them and find out ;)
put that in your pipe and smoke it :P
marcus, listen. i am stating FACTS, not my opinion(which you are) and this is what makes me right and you wrong, not because im 'childish'. so come on then you still havent told me why the 8v is better than the 16v.
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The 8v is cheaper to tune , but not better.
More valves will mean more power, its as simple as that.
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something to do with valve area, and something to do with valve overlap. more valves, less overlap.
i aint a mechanic so i dont understand these things. i sorta blanked out when i was being taught this yesterday. cant remember a thing between 355pm and 400pm. apparently it was quite interesting....
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its to do with the inertia in the valves too, thats why 16v works better at high revs cos the valves can change direction quicker(up and down) i think
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Or maybe something to do with the fact that more valves means better engine BREATHING :D
Where do you get those figures from Zoid?
The vw owners manual for 1991 stated that the 8v does 0-60 in 10 secs, and the 16v does 0-60 in 8.5.
There is no way that an 8v digifant does it in 8.3, if it did then the 16v would do it in 7 :)
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Tinman :P
i kno your not an idiot (well kind of) :o
read this well, just so you cant misunderstand me again.
for ME and every1 else that would like to tune there golf the 8valve is a better choice everytime. and it wasnt a car salesman that sold it to me, it was the independant expert advice from c and r. do you want there number as well? ;)
just to finish off
tinman you need to READ other peoples views before you make your comments.
because the point you made about the 996 was a joke
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
crap sarcasm.......we are talking about golfs here mate!
can we not all just get along?
how about a truce? :P
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good lord - is this still going on?
have we found something about an 8v that propels it in front of a 16v?
dont think so.
we do get along, dont worry. drop me a mail when your little white flag starts waving 8)
Tin
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Or maybe something to do with the fact that more valves means better engine BREATHING :D
Where do you get those figures from Zoid?
The vw owners manual for 1991 stated that the 8v does 0-60 in 10 secs, and the 16v does 0-60 in 8.5.
There is no way that an 8v digifant does it in 8.3, if it did then the 16v would do it in 7 :)
Those figures were scanned in from the VW 'Specification and equipment 1990 model year', i don't know where you got your figures from? Anyway the 8v digi will do 0-60 in 8.3 seconds, there is no way it's 1.5 seconds slower to 60!
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Er yes it is. The figures i got were from veedubgti8v's owners manual.
He has a 1991 J reg 8v gti.
There is no way that an 8v gets to 60 0-4 sec slower than a 16v, it is much more than that.
Marcus, the 8v is only cheaper and easier to tune NOT better, the 16v will ALWAYS give better results.
More valves = more power.
Tuned or not.
Its not hard :) ;)
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For what its worth, VW are well known for quoting performance figures for their cars well slower than the cars can actualy do. A tv show about a year back said their mk2 j reg pulled 60 in about 8 seconds. Driven by a pro.........
But of course, its still not as quick as a 16v.
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man i love my 8valve you kno ;)
my last car was a fiat coupe 20v turbo.
and i much happier with this!!!!
the vr6/g 60 engine is coming tho, just so i can get back into the realms of 0-60 in post 6 seconds!
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There are some benefits with the 8v, it is deffo easy to work on compared with a 16v, and probably quite a bit cheaper.
Still the 16v will always be better tuned or not to equilavent 8v , depends how much cash you have to spend :) ;)
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It's in black and white.....
(http://www.navalon.org.uk/temp/gti/1990-GTi-Specs.jpg)
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I'll get veedubgti8v to put his owners manual on the site.
That too is in black and white :)
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You?re right Golfvr6, the owners manual indeed does list the 0-60 times as 10.0 and 8.5 respectively, that?s a massive discrepancy between the manual and VW specifications brochure. Seems too slow for a 16v to me, plus I?ve done timed runs in my 8v using the speedo and a passenger with a stopwatch, not the most accurate of methods, but 0-60 in under 9secs was easily obtainable?.
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just spent 20 odd mins readin this as now im not a 'mod' i get time to do so!!, and what can i say??? well the 8v gti which marcus123 bought off me is fast as fook, quickest of the 8v's ive had (3 alothough the k jet small bumper model was alot rawer), just got me 2nd 16v (1st one was a non runner which i broke up) and yeah its quick dosnt have the 'easyness' to drive as the old 8v had but yeah come son song at around 4k revs, but up to that im sure the 8v pulls a little bit quicker, just my say, they both can whoop my mk4 20v gti's arse any day!! ;D
Gaz 8)
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yea my 8v will definetly do 0-60 in under 9 seconds...+ i have seen those 0-60 in 8.3 seconds all over the web...10 seconds is way 2 slow 4 a GTI
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i think we have a winner: THE 8V! Congratulations!
by the way mine does 0-60 in under 9 sec also, and it's only 107bhp version of gti 8v.
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i think we have a winner: THE 8V! Congratulations!
by the way mine does 0-60 in under 9 sec also, and it's only 107bhp version of gti 8v.
Nah not really.
Its more the fact that more people on here own 8v's.
8v owners need to justify owning it instead of a 16v, like
its more torquey - FALSE
its only slightly slower - FALSE
its more reliable - FALSE
The 16v will always be the winner ;D
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let's put it this way:
0-4000rpm winner 8v
4000-6700rpm winner 16v
money matter winner 8v
modifying winner 8v
3 to 1 wins 8v.
Case closed.
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sorry to dissapoint you but 16v is quicker through the whole rev range, its just a LOT quicker after 4000.
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More valves will always be better. ;)
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Can a moderator close this now? its gettin really boring! everyone that has to be said in this little argument has already been done so... atleast 3 times over!
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let's put it this way:
0-4000rpm winner 8v
4000-6700rpm winner 16v
money matter winner 8v
modifying winner 8v
3 to 1 wins 8v.
Case closed.
Yeah alright mate.
0-4000 BOTH THE SAME
4000-6500 16V PISSES ON 8V
COSTS 8V
TUNING 16V
WINNER 16V
CASE CLOSED :-*
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Can a moderator close this now? its gettin really boring! everyone that has to be said in this little argument has already been done so... atleast 3 times over!
The reason this thread keeps going on and on is some people can't grasp the simple principle that more valves means more power :)
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This is true, i own an 8v, an il admit a 16v has more bloody power! it has 8 more f**king valves! that means more power! only reason i havent got one is the insurance cus im a mere 19!
That said when i get my car back on wednesday it will kill most 16valvers outrite, its gunna have a very pretty engine for inters! ;D
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The 8v is a nice cheap and easy car to mod, for example you only need to change one cam!
Certainly worth doing, a tuned up 8v will easily keep up with a stock 16v, or even beat it.
If you have the cash and can afford the extra insurance , always go for the 16v though. A tuned 16v is awesome, especially with a 9A block (2.0L) in it :)
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i think we have a winner: THE 8V! Congratulations!
by the way mine does 0-60 in under 9 sec also, and it's only 107bhp version of gti 8v.
another desperate person with their head in the sand.
Q: can you breathe down there?
seems like a lack of oxygen to the brain making you think strange things.
like an 8v being quick.
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let's put it this way:
0-4000rpm winner 8v
4000-6700rpm winner 16v
money matter winner 8v
modifying winner 8v
3 to 1 wins 8v.
Case closed.
uhuh, person with head in sand syndrome.
8v = milk float
16v <> milk float
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yea my 8v will definetly do 0-60 in under 9 seconds...+ i have seen those 0-60 in 8.3 seconds all over the web...10 seconds is way 2 slow 4 a GTI
if its on the Internet - it MUST be true :o
i think they have us here VR6.
to be honest, anything above 10seconds, needs to be measured using a sundial.
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lol^^ ;D
oh well i suppose we will have to put up withour 16v's until the insurance man lets us have 8v's ;D
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More valves will always be better.
then how cum a mk2 8v will piss on a 20v gti arse all day long? ;)
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Why do you think??
Something to do with the weight of the mk4 maybe?
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Another thing to note about the 1.8 20v is it was detuned to 125bhp to fit in with 150bhp 1.8 20v Turbo engine.
The 1.8 20v will run at a more natural 150bhp with a few mods.
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All im hearing is......... "blah...blah blah blah blah 8v, blah blah 16v blah blah, i rule cos blah have a 16v blah blah"
get over it
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....another delusional 8v owner steps to the fore....
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More valves will always be better.
then how cum a mk2 8v will piss on a 20v gti arse all day long? ;)
despite the mk2 being a bit heavy, the mk4 is the weight of a cross channel ferry.
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Dude, i know my car in standard form is not as quick as a 16v, i said that in my other post, but my car however, is not in standard form, so therefore is quicker than most 16v's
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indeed your car probably is quicker than a 16v.
however, this isn't a debate about moded cars vs standard cars.
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All im hearing is......... "blah...blah blah blah blah 8v, blah blah 16v blah blah, i rule cos blah have a 16v blah blah"
get over it
Its you and the other 8v owners that cannot except that the 16v is more powerful engine, at whatever revs.
Get over it
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Another thing to note about the 1.8 20v is it was detuned to 125bhp to fit in with 150bhp 1.8 20v Turbo engine.
The 1.8 20v will run at a more natural 150bhp with a few mods.
Yeah - thinking about sorting this out on mine. What'll I need to do? I figure: air filter, exhaust and remap?
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OH DEAR OH DEAR .........O ..........DEAR :(
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what's wrong?
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NOWT WRONG WITH EITHER........ATLEAST IT NOT A FORD, HEHEHE
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i have an 8v not as powerfull as a 16v so wot,who cares, u pay ur money u takes ur choice.......i like my 8v ;D
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I like all golfs. The only reason I posted that more valves will always be better is cos I was fed up of everyone arguing over what is quicker 8v or 16v! 16v is obviously quicker, but in the end it doesn't matter - they're all good!
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argh.......THE END.
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Hear hear!
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:o my god..... it has stopped! :o
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peace in our time 8)
until next week ::)
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or until the next 8 v 16v thread starts :D
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i think 8v is faster in all revs!!!!!
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:o my god..... it has stopped! :o
it hasnt stopped.
it just means all the 8v whiners have taken their 8vs up to a 16v in the last couple of days have had their egos moped across the floor.
there is a probably some guy in a 16v somewhere getting sick to death of being challenged by young 8v owners in the last few days....
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overall the 16v is quicker, but until 4000rpm the 8v just feels quicker and is quicker, no matter what you will say. Most of the drivers who have tried the 8v and 16v say so. My experience says the same. MORE VALVES MEANS MORE POWER AT HIGHER REVS!!! AND THAT'S JUST NOT FOR TOWN DRIVING.
For motorway and drag racing the 16v wins, but for nice, quick everyday town driving, cheap insurance NO f**kING WAY!
If you need to piss a 16v in a drag racing get some mods. IT'S CHEAP!
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i think 8v is faster in all revs!!!!!
lol ;D
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;)
hahahahaha,
this is all a bit funny now :D :D
my 8v is stock apart from a drilled airbox,
id love to challenge tinman to a race?
as kniterider sed earlier on in the thread, my 8v is quick! ;)
the conclusion of this arguement is that overall the 8valve is a better car,
not much in it 0-60 wise, but if you want to mod your car the 8valve every time!
case closed
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overall the 8v is the better car?
yes of course it is sweetheart.
Infact i think i will sell my vr6 and go and buy an 8v.
Just think what i do with the 8v tuning wise.
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:-*vr6
uve seen the light ;)
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nah i've seen the bullsh!t :D :-*
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i can smell it through the phoneline ;D
marcus give up mate. theres no way you are gonna persuade any 16v owners the 8v is better. unless this is a wind up. the only reason you think its better is cos its easier to tune, anything else or just that.?
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yo :D
if your buying a golf gti to tune, the 8v is the better car,
enuf sed
g60 engine for ?1200 pounds,
does that sound like a bargain?
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;)
id love to challenge tinman to a race?
you would be destroyed 8)
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ha,
yeh right man :D
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yo :D
if your buying a golf gti to tune, the 8v is the better car,
enuf sed
g60 engine for ?1200 pounds,
does that sound like a bargain?
doesnt really matter what gti you use if your swapping the engine now does it.
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even if i wasnt, its still a better choice ;)
get over it man, im not gonna evertell you that a 16v is better than an 8v,
cos it aint true.
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ok this is going to a poll!
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Is Tinman goin to Inters?
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random jord,
do you want to challenge him to a race as well?
hes ducking me! ;)
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Keep it going guys! Great threads 8 versus16 valves argument. Don?t stop keep it up. I enjoy reading all the threads on this subject.
We belong to the VW family and as siblings we will always have arguments but deep down we care about each other?s welfare in terms of providing solutions to our common problems on our beloved cars.
I own a standard Mk2 8v, its quicker, performs and handles well than some modern cars and I love it. However when compared to a standard Mk2 16v then I'm afraid there is not contest on Speed.
Both are beautiful cars and have unique qualities and we?ve read their vital statistics many times over. It is a concrete fact. And common sense tells me not to race a 16v cos it will leave the 8v out of breath.
I don?t take some of the personal comments on these arguments to heart cos its hilarious. In some cases wind ups but its all done for the sheer fun of it. ;D ;D ;D
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looking forward to tinmans reply...........................................................................
just to add as well,
i enjoy the banter in this room as well. none of it should be taken to heart!
but an 8v over 16valve anytime.
have any of the 16valvers been on rolling roads, if so wat were the bhp figs u got back? any 8valvers the same as well?
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oh dear, here we go again! ::)
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trust! ;)
have you looked at any golfs mate?
what have you found out about the diffrences?
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Marcus have you been smoking whacky bakky again?
your spouting more sh!t every post
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Yo all you mk2 8v owners, at least you all have the satisfaction that your cars will beat a mk3 8v to 60, even if it is by a mere 0.5 second.
:D
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Is Tinman goin to Inters?
yeah. i'll be there on the sunday. but i probably wont be taking the 16v though. sorry.
maybe next year.
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http://www.carsurvey.org/review_35435.html
that sums up both models end of...
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Yo all you mk2 8v owners, at least you all have the satisfaction that your cars will beat a mk3 8v to 60, even if it is by a mere 0.5 second.
:D
:D :D
I don?t know where you are getting your figures from but I can?t see how they are correct, so far you?ve only been able to quote the drivers manual which I admit lists 0-60 of 10.0 seconds. However I know for a fact the 8v is quicker than that, all other VW literature I?ve come across lists the 0-60 time as 8.3 seconds
(http://www.navalon.org.uk/temp/gti/1990-GTi-Specs.jpg)
You only need to do a few searches on the net to see what you come up with?.
http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html
http://www.veedubz.co.za/tech/vwhist.htm
Note the 16v has 1.55% more torque and 15.92% more power based on the weight ratio, hardly a massive difference.
(http://www.navalon.org.uk/temp/gti/ptw.jpg)
Even if you ignore gearing and torque and just use power, let's say the 16v does 0-60 in 7.9 seconds, due to 8v giving away 15.92% in power would you not expect the 8v to be at worst 15.92 slower, which would give us a time of 9.2 seconds. This is a very basic calculation I know, however it indicates that the time of 10.0 seconds quoted in the manual is wrong.
I have no argument with the fact that the 16v is faster, of course it is, however the 8v is not as slow as you keep trying to make out?.
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Well not really...
A vr6 has low down torque
A 1.8 8v will never produce very much torque low down
;)
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I have driven a couple of digifant 8v's, and i would say 10 secs is about right.
VW quote 10.9 secs 0-60 for the mk3 8v in the 1994 owners manual.
Of course mk3 8v owners claim it is much faster than that...
The 16v is AT LEAST 1.5 secs quicker to 60 than the 8v.
Its torque at high revs that really counts when it comes down to performance.
The 16v has this , the 8v hasn't
:D
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So in your opinion (NOT factual, subjective based on your experience of driving the 8v) you would estimate a 0-60 time of around 10seconds, correct?
How then do you explain all other VW literature showing the 0-60 time of 8.3, and the fact that I've timed 0-60 well under 10seconds?
Also can you please tell me how long it takes a Mk1 1.8 GTI to do 0-60, considering it weights around 100kg less it should be fairly easy to do the math to get an expected 0-60 time for a Mk2 8v?
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http://www.carsurvey.org/review_35435.html
that sums up both models end of...
The thing is tin and vr6 would never accept it, even if the team of VW engineers who built the Mk2 GTI said so!
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wouldnt bother VR6 these lads`ll never listen to u, my m8`s just gettin a shrick inlet manifold and cams fitted onto his VR6 at the mo do u think will have a nice portion of low end grunt :)
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Zoid,
VW says the digifant 8v gets to 60 in 10 secs
Get over it mate :-*
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http://www.carsurvey.org/review_35435.html
that sums up both models end of...
The thing is tin and vr6 would never accept it, even if the team of VW engineers who built the Mk2 GTI said so!
The thing is that review WASN'T written by a vw engineer.
Just another joe bloggs no body like you :D
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Is Tinman goin to Inters?
yeah. i'll be there on the sunday. but i probably wont be taking the 16v though. sorry.
maybe next year.
Damn u! il have my S4-engine-ala-MK2 done by then so it wont be fair, but what u tkin to inters then? some crazy secret project?
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You need to do something mate
after all the mk2 digifant gti is only 0.5 sec quicker to 60 than the lardy mk3 8v :o :-* :D
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marcus123, ive only test drove 1 gti at the mo, an 8v was nippy, but the bodywork was in a bit of a mess, and the engine needed a lttle bit of work dun...... was thinking about about it then walked away 2 much time, money and hassle, im jst gonna keep looking 4 a good example
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Yeah vr6 knows what he's talking about, as opposed to vw....
(http://www.navalon.org.uk/temp/gti/brochure.jpg)
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Yeah vr6 knows what he's talking about, as opposed to vw....
(http://www.navalon.org.uk/temp/gti/brochure.jpg)
Yeah Zoid,
THATS WHY THE OWNERS MANUAL SAYS 0-60 IS 10 SECONDS
OF COURSE VW PRODUCED THE OWNERS MANUAL
JUST EXCEPT IT MATE
YOUR CAR IS NOT A HOT HATCH
:D
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and of course ZOID knows more than vw who actually made the car that goes with the owners manual....
:-*
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http://www.carsurvey.org/review_35435.html
that sums up both models end of...
The thing is tin and vr6 would never accept it, even if the team of VW engineers who built the Mk2 GTI said so!
Even the chap that done the review says 'THE 16V GETS TO 60 ABOUT 1.5 SECS QUICKER THAN THE 8V'
:D
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Well you're the one who can't except it, it's there in black and white for you to see with your own eyes, get over it!
Oh how about putting down a wager of your choice, that says may standard 8v (other than a k&N panel filter) will do 0-60 in under 10 seconds, I'd be more than happy to take your'e money off you ;)
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Its also in black and white
gti 8v digifant 0-60 in 10 secs
you also own the same owners manual
I don't dispute that it is faster than that, vw quote 7.8 for the vr6, but to take off nearly 2 sec, well thats just dreaming mate :D
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i KNOW that my 8v digifant will do 0-60 in under 9 seconds as it has been tested on a track day
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Yeah and a 16v will do it in well under 8 ;)
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Vr6 I agree with you that the manual does show the 0-60 as 10.0 seconds, however I dispute this figure for the following reasons:
- The VW Brochure and Specifications listings for the 1990 range, list the 0-60 as 8.3 seconds.
- Nearly every other resource for information regarding the GTI I've come across, list's 0-60 times in the early 8's (I can dig some out if required).
- If you do the maths based purely on power to weight ratio (not even taking into account that torque to weight between the 8v & 16v is almost identical) the 0-60 should be lower.
- Many other owners will confirm 0-60 times of well under 10 seconds.
- And most importantly I have actually tried some 0-60 runs in the real world with a passenger recording time taken using a stop watch.
While I'm basing my argument on multiple sources, you however are only basing your opinion on one single piece of evidence, namely the owners manual which could be wrong, you even said yourself 'I don't dispute that it is faster than that'.
I'm not some kid (far from it unfortunately) who's blindly arguing that black is white, while I get the impression that even if I took you out in my standard Golf and proved it to you, you'd probably still wouldn't except it and instead try and say I'd made modifications that I haven't told you about.... ::)
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i cant believe this is still going on! you guys actually amaze me ;D
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Vr6 I agree with you that the manual does show the 0-60 as 10.0 seconds, however I dispute this figure for the following reasons:
- The VW Brochure and Specifications listings for the 1990 range, list the 0-60 as 8.3 seconds.
- Nearly every other resource for information regarding the GTI I've come across, list's 0-60 times in the early 8's (I can dig some out if required).
- If you do the maths based purely on power to weight ratio (not even taking into account that torque to weight between the 8v & 16v is almost identical) the 0-60 should be lower.
- Many other owners will confirm 0-60 times of well under 10 seconds.
- And most importantly I have actually tried some 0-60 runs in the real world with a passenger recording time taken using a stop watch.
While I'm basing my argument on multiple sources, you however are only basing your opinion on one single piece of evidence, namely the owners manual which could be wrong, you even said yourself 'I don't dispute that it is faster than that'.
I'm not some kid (far from it unfortunately) who's blindly arguing that black is white, while I get the impression that even if I took you out in my standard Golf and proved it to you, you'd probably still wouldn't except it and instead try and say I'd made modifications that I haven't told you about.... ::)
Mate, i actually don't care.
I know that an 8v is quicker to 60 than 10 secs, well that it is quite obvious really.
I'm only winding you up :D
The only reason i got involved in this argument in first place is i feel i have to tell people the truth about 8 and 16v's.
The truth being that the 8v is a nice motor but the 16v is much faster, deffo over a second faster to 60 probs a 1.5 seconds.
The constant myth that 8v owners circulate that the 8v engine has low down torque is simply not true.
Neither the 8 or 16v engines produce that much torque, the reason the 16v is fast is because it still produces a reasonable amount of torque at a high rev range, the 8v doesn't.
A naturally aspirated 1.8 engine will not produce much torque, not without mods.
Try a vr for low down torque!
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Mate, i actually don't care.
blatant lie ;)
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Hehe :D
I don't really care, i just love it when you 8v owners start biting.
10 secs :D
Anyway i need something to do as Blacky isn't online tonight :(
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Mate, i actually don't care.
blatant lie ;)
I don't tell lies mate... ;)
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i didnt mean that you actually lie! you do care really! go on admit it ;)
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besides a havent bitten! prob cos of tears of laughter means i cant see the keyboard! besides i helped you ridicule myself ;D
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lol! anyway bedtimne for me cos i got work at 6am. oh joy. :-\
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Bad luck mate :D
You better get up early cos EVERYONE KNOWS THAT AN 8V DIGIFANT IS ABOUT AS FAST AS A SNAIL.
:-*
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Especially Zoid's 8v.... :D
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i thought this arguement had evolved into which was the better car to modify?
and then we all agreed that it was the 8valve digi? :P
id love to challenge any of the 16v owners to a race!
not only the car but the driver as well you kno!
can somebody help me please? :D
im just about to buy some bbs alloys that are coming off a mk1 golf, would these go on my mk2 gti? ???
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The 16v is clearly the better car to modify, if you have the cash.
You will struggle to get more than 140-150bhp out of a digi 8v without putting a 2.0L bottom end in.
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i drive an 8v GTi, im 18 (got it when i was 17 so very proud of it) but honestly it is slow. hate to admit it but im not lying.
VR6...go easy :-*
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ur 8 valve must be pretty pants then mate.
my last car was a fiat coupe 20v turbo, and that was rapid.
so i thought that goin from that to an 8valve would be a massive dissapointment in speed.
but its not at all,
like i sed my 8valve is quick, but every 8valve is diffrent.
so its not generic, every 8valve is diffrnet. :D
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nah, bluemk2 just knows the limits of his car, you marcus clearly don't :D ;) :-*
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hmmmm.....
who drives my car me or you?
i do, so i know the limitations of my car thankyou very much!
is urs a mk2vr6 or a mk3 vr6?
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only winding you up marcus :-*
i own a mk3 vr6 :D
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i kno! :-*
well at least you have got the only mk3 worth having,
rest of them are sh!t!
i wouldnt mind a vr6 engine in my mk2!
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MK3 16vs are pretty good.
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i wouldnt mind it ;)
but its not the way forward,
ther g60 is on the way!!! :D
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Especially Zoid's 8v.... :D
:D You got that big juicy worm on the hook again, think I done enough biting, I'll let some of the others have a go! :D
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nice one :D
i'm only pulling ya leg
i love all golfs, whatever mk, engine.
;D
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of course you do mate!
you own a mk3!!!
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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hahahhahahah
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lol
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actually that reminds me...isnt there a mk3 forum???? ashamed r u?
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ooooohhhh!!!!!! is that BURNING i can smell? ;D
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nice one :D
i'm only pulling ya leg
i love all golfs, whatever mk, engine.
;D
i dont.
after the mk2 everything went sadly downhill. the only golf after the 16v that retained any credibility for VW was the VR6. and even that is long dead now.
lets get it straight - the mk1 started it, the mk2 continued the cult - by the time we got the mk3 - it was the fashionable car to be in.
if you like following the herd and being safe, you'll love the mk3. i on the other hand, i am an individual.
so there you have it, anyone who bought a golf after the mk2 (except the VR6) is a fraud 8)
there is no reason to buy a Mk3 GTI. You can buy perfectly good Corrados of similar ages for less money. now thats where the mk2 cult went. and they even have that spoiler which moves. and in my book, any car with a moving spoiler must be fun.
tin
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you talk boll0cks tinman
all golf dead after the vr6???????????/ so why is every tom dick and fookin harry after mk4 engines in ther mk2's??? cant be that bad eh???
Gaz 8)
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oh yeah fraud i think not matey, i love golfs of ALL models and engine SIZES, its stuck up @rse holes like your selves that keep these arguments , that fook me off, marucs123's 8v in fookin quick as its my old one and i can vouch for that, and to be honest i don tthink its that much slower if any than the new 16v ive just pruchased, so stop preachin, learn to respect others comments and fook off
Gaz >:(
oh yeah, now im not a mod, errrrr no more mr nice guy........
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you talk boll0cks tinman
all golf dead after the vr6???????????/ so why is every tom thingy and fookin harry after mk4 engines in ther mk2's??? cant be that bad eh???
Gaz 8)
notice they arent looking for the car that used to go with the mk4 engine...
seems to be me, they're looking for the best bits off other cars?
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oh yeah fraud i think not matey, i love golfs of ALL models and engine SIZES, its stuck up @rse holes like your selves that keep these arguments , that fook me off, marucs123's 8v in fookin quick as its my old one and i can vouch for that, and to be honest i don tthink its that much slower if any than the new 16v ive just pruchased, so stop preachin, learn to respect others comments and fook off
Gaz >:(
oh yeah, now im not a mod, errrrr no more mr nice guy........
yeah yeah, marcus123's 8v is so quick hes looking for a new engine for it. WELL THAT MAKES SENSE DOESNT IT?
oh, and whats with this crap about drilling holes in air boxes.
drilling holes in air boxes does 2 things:
1) unknown quantity of air into the engine - hell, not like an engine is a presicion design.
2) makes a stupid noise thats makes you feel superior. if you want a superior intake of air, do it properly. if it was all about drill guns and holes in your engine, K&N wouldnt have a business.
Why sell a ?40 box, when they could just photocopy some instructions and sell you a black and decker!
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hahhaahahha :D
tinman you are a fookin preacher!
my 8valve is quick,
but there is no harm in modifying your car, and thats what im doing.
get off my back man, accept that this arguement will never be won by you and get off your high horse for gods sake. >:(
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i see you said the boss of c&r has got a 16v marcus........
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so.................
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obviously he prefers 16v, not 8v like you say 8)
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give him a call mate, before i brought my golf i asked him which would be the better choice.
he sed that there both good choices but if he was offerd both, he would go for the 8valve. :P
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is that why he got a 16v?? do you think he looked in autotrader and only saw 16v's?? its not as if 8v's are rare ffs. if he wanted a 8v he would of got an 8v. there generally cheaper too. sounds like he chose it out of choice to me.
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i think u need to give him a call mate, :P
you sound like youve got alot of questoions for him. :D
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Sorry tinman I've got to pipe up here ....
Quote ... "Drilling holes in air boxes does 2 things:
1) unknown quantity of air into the engine - hell, not like an engine is a presicion (should be precision actually) design.
2) makes a stupid noise thats makes you feel superior. if you want a superior intake of air, do it properly. if it was all about drill guns and holes in your engine, K&N wouldnt have a business."
Utter bull I'm afraid matey!
1) By drilling holes you'll increase the air flow; this then is measured by the mass flow sensor. The only way this would cause a problem was if the sensor's upper limit was less than the mass flowed, and unless you?re fitting 10 Dyson hoovers inline somewhere that'll never happen! It?s a know fact that ?digi? GTI?s are best suited to turbo charging of the mk2?s, so your telling me a few holes will cause damage and a turbo won?t?
2) K&N cone filters will flow even more air than a drilled air box FACT - so in ideal conditions yes, they will produce more power. But come on you really expect that tiny pipe to supply enough cold air? And what happens when you start drawing in hot air from your engine (kinda like your posts! ;D)
You'll end up losing power FACT ! The only real solution is to shield the heat away using either an expensive induction kit like the ones sold by BMC or Piper using carbon fibre - they cost well over ?200. Or drill your air box and use a panel filter, which K&N started making long before cones replacements, and is how they got their massive business!
Funny, how come F1 cars don?t have cone filters? They use a shielded panel filters that?s why. The reason cones are so popular is they?re cheap to make and easy to adapt to hundreds of applications, not the best at their job!
Obviously you?ve got this completely wrong, take it from me I?ve a BSc in Automotive Engineering (and a proud 8v owner ? up the 8 valve!!!). Any if you can get something this simple wrong maybe your mistaken about this whole 8v / 16V thing too ?. Hmmm something to think about eh?
(sorry I couldn't resist ;D ;D ;D ;D)
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up the 8valve!
get him david! ;)
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Do you think we should give it a rest fellas?
I'm staying out of it before i get barred :D
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Hello matey - yeah it is getting a bit thin now ...
Been readin about your carrier bolts - bet your glad u didn't have to touch mine when you did my calipers :S
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8v GTI 0-60 in 8.10 seconds which is more like it. My 8v is no where neer 10 seconds i tell u that!
check it out!
http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=39534
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no doubt someone will dissagree... :-\
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16.6 standerd on a quarter mile!
thats not bad! ;)
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Sorry tinman I've got to pipe up here ....
blah blah blah blah blah
(sorry I couldn't resist ;D ;D ;D ;D)
it never occured to you that someone was pulling your leg?
didnt think so.....
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give it a rest now then guys :P
do mk1 wheels fit a mk2 golf?
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only 16v mk2's ;D
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;D lol ;D
:D :D :D
ha ha,
so they fit all mk 2 golfs then?
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yep ;)
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cheers chief!
up the 8valve! ;) :D
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dont start............
;D :D
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dear oh dear, oh dear
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is what strikes me most about this thread is how everyone hides behind the 'im only winding you up' line the second they are challenged. i dont mind other peoples points of view but at least stick to your guns, rather than faltering like some pansie shirt lifter. You guys make me laugh so much! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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who are you calling a panzie shirt lifter?
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here we go go again ::) wanna join in vr6 ::) :D
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yeh! where is vr6! :D
hes a joker!
i got my "bbs" alloys today, my car looks so much better!
is tin man out there?
ive just seen a pic of his car :P
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i never knew you were like that veedubgti8v
do you want to come round on Sunday? :-*
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here he is
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Vr6 i cant come round on sunday, i got work but i will pop round before gti international if you are around in the week?
Marcus123 i wasnt calling anyone specific a shirt lifter i was just generalising! but if you read the thread from begining to end you will prob realise which people! ;)
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well not me then mate! 8)
however, vr6 and tinman have backed down alot................. :D :D :D
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is what strikes me most about this thread is how everyone hides behind the 'im only winding you up' line the second they are challenged. i dont mind other peoples points of view but at least stick to your guns, rather than faltering like some pansie shirt lifter. You guys make me laugh so much! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
:D
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however, vr6 and tinman have backed down alot................. :D :D :D
i think you misinterpret "backed down" with "having a life"....
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however, vr6 and tinman have backed down alot................. :D :D :D
i think you misinterpret "backed down" with "having a life"....
youve got a life? ???
cool man, thanks for keepin everyone updated with that bit of information :D
good for you man ;)
hey tinmans got a life! :D :D :D :D :D
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hey tinmans got a life! :D :D :D :D :D
you really dont need to get that excited.
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So whats wrong with being a shirt lifter? :-* :D
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nothing,
why do you have a problem with it? :-* :-*
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:D
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;)
hows the vr6?
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very well
haven't driven it for a few days, been at work >:(
got work to do tomorrow on Omar's mk3 16v
new timing belt tensioner, oil change.
might do some pics of both cars if i get the chance.
both are mint! :D
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your a mechanic?
wat golfs have you owned? ;)
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sort of a mechanic on the side :D
i've owned :-
b reg polo 1.3 coupe
g reg golf driver 1.6
j reg golf gti 16v
h reg passat gt 16v
c reg golf 1.8 GL Auto
m reg golf vr6
;)
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my next car's gonna be a v6 4motion or an r32
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cool,
how much have you heard garages charge to do g60 conversions?
ive bin qouted some wierd prices! :P
think i may have found the engine and donor car tho! :D :D
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richy, you got to go for the r32! :D
they look so gooooood ;)!
and they piss all over the 4 motion which i think is crap :P
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just buy a rallye :P
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yeh, would be nice :P
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off to www.stanfordhallvw.co.uk tomorrow marcus?
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Have a good day and take loads of pics...........bit of a trek for me and I've already wasted today.........although I nearly became the owner of a mint race tuned gorgeous mk2 :'(
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:o :o What do you mean nearly! not trying hard enough rich! :P come on gti number 56 should be allowed ;)
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So whats wrong with being a shirt lifter? :-* :D
Nothing :P
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however, vr6 and tinman have backed down alot................. :D :D :D
i think you misinterpret "backed down" with "having a life"....
WOOHOO! ;D
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look, as soon as you 8v owners kiss the feet of us 16v owners we can all get along. ok ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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:D
never gonna happen mate!
up the 8 valve!
right then, who is off to inters?
we can settle this arguement there? >:(
not fisticufs! i mean on the track!!! :P :D
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hehehehe
just trying to get me more votes on the troublemakers thread ;D ;D
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ha!
you backed down to my challenge! :D
wimp :P
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lol did you challenge me???
;D ;D
tell you what ill stay under 4000rpm as a little handicap, give you a chance ;D :D
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You have no chance veedubgti16v
as the 8v produces a huge amount of torque under 4000rpm, more than my vr infact
:D :D :D :D
:-* :-* :-* :-*
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well lets race then? :D
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whats with the gay :-*?
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i dont kno, vr6golf is always kissing at people! :-*
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cos he lifts shirts :-*
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is that true vr6?
i had a right bonding session with my 8valve this wknd!
i changed the wheels to some sweet bbs rims, and also changed the front bumper, which was a piece of piss incidently!
now im goin to take it out for a run and try and find some chavs in saxos/corsas to beat!
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:o The 8valve stands between 110bhp and 120.
The 16valve stood at 140bhp with stiffer suspension and uprated brakes... The DOHC helped quite a bit.. lol
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Can anyone help? I recently bought a Mk2 16V which blows the 8V Mk2 & Mk1 away. The problem is I think it has been lowered but am not sure. This is not a problem but how can I tell? What sort of clearance should there be betweem wheels (standard BBS) and arches? ???
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After having both I would never go back to an 8V. The 8V is more of a lazy cruiser whereas the 16V is a bit more of an animal.
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so we're done then? the 16v is the winner then ladies and gents! :) :-*
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yeah but we are all just shutting up so you would. we all know the 8v is far torquier and faster and dammit even better looking than those 'fast' 16v's ;D ;) :P
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let's all compromise on..... (http://www.navalon.org.uk/temp/12v.jpg)
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12v? oh no, we off into vr6 talk now? :) joking :)
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LOL.
Steve.
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mmmmn wot about 16v vs 20v then :D
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how about 8valves vs 20v,
8valves win everytime! :) ;) :P
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Its about time you mk2 owners face facts,
The only gti ya gonna beat is a mk3 8v :D
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all mk2 owners?
i dont think so vr6 :P
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mk3 8valves are pretty sh!t!
infact all mk3s are a bit ropey :P
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ha ha ha
we gotta carry this on
mk2 8v gti 0-60 = 10 secs :-\
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DEAR OH DEAR
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:D :D :D :D :D
try 8.3 seconds vr6. and thats for a car with 112bhp
mk3 vr6 0-60 in 7.9 seconds, and thats got 170 bhp as standerd!! :P
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MK3 SLUGS ;D
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lol @ 8.3 secs
i didnt know 8v was 0.3sec slower than 16v
must be all that low down torque
:P
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its the usual storey about facts n figures
i have the GTI anniversary book which has all the adverts for all GTI's that VAG released and it has one for the mk1 1.8 GTi which does it in 8.3, cant remember the mk2 8v one
but it states that the mk2 16v does it in 7.3s
the actual 7.9s figure is done with a passenger & half tank of fuel i think
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i got a brochure saying 16v 0-60 is 7sec and 8v is 11sec ;D ;D
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8.3 seconds! ;)
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vr6 0-60 in vw owners manual is 7.8 sec
1.8 8v 0-60 in vw owners manual is 10 sec
enough said
:D :D
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and what 0-60 does your car really do chief?
cos mine does it in 8.3 :P
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I've seen it quoted at 7.1 secs.
That was in one of the car mags, might have been evo.
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yeh ive seen that in evo two,
trust me tho, good 8valves should do 0-60 in 8.3
good 16valvers 7.9
bet my 8 is closer to that.
i had some wayne kerr come to look at my fiat coupe turbo that owned a golf vr6 and said it was slow.
this isnt true is it?
this guy was a f**kin thingy timewaster anyway! :D >:(
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Don't know about the fiat mate.
I would say that a vr6 would piss on an 8v for sure.
So stick to racing 16v's :D ;)
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OK i just went out today and tested this... my 8v digifant gti did it in 8.1 seconds and that was with my mate recording the time!!! and i really cant see the argument now, but im sure the 16v will be about 7 seconds flat.
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Whatever really.
Every car is different, some might quick , some might be slow.
Problem with older cars is you don't really know if its been modified in its life, well not for sure.
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mine is pretty standard...well its an 1988 special equipment version so i dont know if thats faster than the standard 8v??? no big bumpers or anything. just had to try it out after all this bickering!!
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Do you know all the history from new?
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pretty much, i mean it was an old guy who bought it from new so it wasnt thrashed, then he sold it to one of my dads mates but he didnt drive it cos the brake calipers were ceased up. There was mention that a new exhaust was fitted but it just looks like the original, then i got it and its on 129,000 miles. thats about it
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no no golf vr6,
i kno my coupe was quick, o-60 in 5.6 seconds! :D
but wayne kerr that came to look at buying my coupe said that his vr6 was slow and crap for a 2.9 litre car :D
for 2.9 litres i think he may of bin right, i hate to agree with him thos cos he was a cun@t
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golf vr6 is 2.8L you willy ;)
fiat does it in 5.6 secs??
you got an owners manual that says that?
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f**k the owners manual,
i had it on a rollin road!
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hey
http://www.supergolfs.co.uk/cardetails.asp?UsedCarID=164
my next car,
what yall think?
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Yeah really really nice.
Problem is they are all left hand drive.
If only they weren't.... :-\
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whats the problem with the left hand drive?
i dindnt think it would be that much of a problem?
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would have been good to get rhd g60's but sitting on the wrong side is not much of a problem, so far anyway ;)
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golf vr6 is 2.8L you willy ;)
fiat does it in 5.6 secs??
you got an owners manual that says that?
didnt think fiat coupe turbo was that fast, but it is in the 6s.
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golf vr6 is 2.8L you willy ;)
fiat does it in 5.6 secs??
you got an owners manual that says that?
didnt think fiat coupe turbo was that fast, but it is in the 6s.
mine was actually that quick ;)
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are all G60's left hand then?? also wots the engine spec 4 the G60?
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for that price i would rather have a lancia delta integralle
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Yeah but then youd need that price again every year to keep an intergrale on the road!
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The spec for G60 is 1.8 8v supercharged, 160bhp.
Very rare special edition 16v supercharged 210bhp.
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and yeh they are all LHD,
but i dont care, i want one ! ;)
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:P i want one!
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ill be getting one ;)
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bah i'll never have 1! i can only dream..... :'(
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^^^^never say never.
I thought i would just about get an escort.
But i have been driving 2 years
& had
Audi 80,bmw316,A3,Mk3 8v gti,Mk2 8v gti,
You never know whats around the corner.
Dont give up M8.
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;D ;D ;D ;)
thanks mate!
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rallyes are slightly less displacement than a normal gti, they are around 1.7 litres
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1763cc so still 1.8 :)
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1763 or 1781
not really a lot of difference ::)
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::)
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10 secs ::)
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::)bollacks
mine is at least 8.3 8)
and yours 7.9 for a 2.8,thats sloooooooowww ;)
on the upside 2k for a supercharger strap on is a quality price. :)
hows the fish bar? :)
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i wasnt dissing the rallyes displacement! i was just stating something! chill already! rallyes rock (not like a mk3 on standard suspension tho! they rock like a cradle! ;) )
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also just a quick one, did anyone notice the k reg limited mk2 at inters! what was with that? can you get them k reg or had they built it? also how big are the front indicators on limiteds, they are about double the size of big bumper ones! vw are weird sometimes cos what was the point of that ???
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i heard of a few k reg mk2s, wierd man! ::)
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^^^^^^
weird! ???
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I've seen a K reg Mk2 16v 4 door... was very nice :)
Just to kick up a bit of a fuss on the whole 8v v's 16v...
My standard 8v beat a 16v at inters at the weekend. . .
Although, the 16v did have a sh!t load of ice. Saying that, it was running a full stainless exhaust system with manifold.
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ha ha, :D
well done mate! :D
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Yeah veedub I picked up on that one!
Said to my girlfriend that it couldn't be the real mcoy as they were all built in 1989. Don't think it could be registered on a k even if it was imported then, I thought you couldn't have a uk reg any newer than the year of manufacture.
Toby
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There was a very small amount of golf mk2 gti's registered K reg in this country.
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Derrrrr ...they would of been old stock , to make way for the crappy mk3 !!!
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oh dear whatever next..
mk2 8v is faster than mk3 vr6?
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:D
::)
yeh........
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how about a vr6 in a mk2 ? ;)
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Vr6 in mk2 is nice - but at Inters we saw and R32 in a Mk2 :o
VERY NICE !!
JDS Designs did the conversion - quite simple apparently as the R32 bottom end is pretty much the same a the VR6 one.
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woooooooowwwwww!!!!
that sounds crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o
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a vr6 in a mk2 is quicker tha a standard vr6 anyway! :-*
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yeah i expect it will be! :D
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Yeah veedub I picked up on that one!
Said to my girlfriend that it couldn't be the real mcoy as they were all built in 1989. Don't think it could be registered on a k even if it was imported then, I thought you couldn't have a uk reg any newer than the year of manufacture.
Toby
yeah thats what i thought that would make it a g plater. weird ???
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Vr6 in mk2 is nice - but at Inters we saw and R32 in a Mk2
OMFG!!!!!! :o :o :P :P
Damn i bet that was quick!! didnt think u would even be able 2 fit an r32 in a mk2!
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http://www.golfgti.co.uk/pageimages/gti_int04/int04_008.jpg
;D
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:o :o :o
i think im in love :)
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Sort of pisses all over the vr6 convertions dun'it !! ;D
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jst a little bit!!! ;D :D
btw where the hells black_gti aint heard of him 4 ages, think vr6 must hav kidnapped him! :D
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he has changed his name to cupra turbo hasnt he?
anythings better than a mk3 8valver!
that r32 engine in a mk2 is just amazing!
wonder how randomjords s4 engine in to a mk2 project thing is going on?????? :D
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Would like a once-only chip in:-
The cam shaft profiles on 8v give higher lift. Result is more torque low down, lower rev limit ( valve chatter due to valve springs being compressed more due to higher lift cam ) and slightly more erratic idle.
The cam shaft profiles on 16v give lower lift. Result is more torque higher up, higher rev limit ( less valve chatter due to valve springs being compressed less due to lower lift cam ) and smoother idle.
Yes 16v will breathe better because - simply - there are twice as many holes in the head! But it doesn't necessarily mean more power.
I own both, you can tell the 8v has more torque because it picks up superb from 20mph in 5th gear whereas the 16v struggles a little.
For performance, the 16v will beat the 8v but not by as much as you would like to think. You would need to change gear in an 8v around 5000 whereas in a 16v it would be 6000. Yes, the 16v would beat the 8v easily if both versions changed gear at, say, 6000. Yes, the difference would be marginal if both cars changed gear at 4500.
For town driving, I prefer the 8v less gear change and more forgiving.
For motorway, I prefer the 8v better 50-70 in same gear.
For rain/snow, I prefer the 16v better & progressive control over power.
For bendy country lanes, I prefer the 16v driving between 4000-6000 revs longer legs on 3rd gear with late braking.
For hill climbs, I prefer the 16v. You definitely notice the difference between the 2 models!!
BTW I rally Saabs as a hobby. Essentially what I'm driving at is that the 2 models come into their own in certain driving conditions N/M.
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thats what i was saying earlier on in the thread, but people were just not listening. ;) :D
both great cars tho,
the 8valve a bit greater tho ;)
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nice to hear from someone who has both models!
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thats what i was saying earlier on in the thread, but people were just not listening. ;) :D
both great cars tho,
the 8valve a bit greater tho ;)
::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
comon marcus your a bit boring now :P
obviously you prefer town driving to fast country lanes so the 8v is a better car for you.
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Im officially an 8v hater now, im gunna blow that piece of sh!t up if it ever gets back to my house! nuthin but problems with it, on tuesday i got it back from the garage after havin the Headgasket/bolts/all little sh!t that goes with it/cambelt/that random housing on the front of the engine an 2.5million sensors changed at alot of cost an the f**kin thing wont drive proper now! itl start up......then as soon as i take my foot off the accelerator itl die! i really dont want the car anymore but it owes me so much money, anyone sellin a cheap 16v?
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RandomJord - the source of your problems is not that you own an 8v, a 16v won't be any better - if anything they're even more fickle !!
Your problem is you've more than likely have the local zoo working on your car instead of a VAG specialist!! ;D
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This is true, it was done at my exwork FARADAY MOTOR GROUP NEWBURY, avoid it at all costs, its jus so f**kin frustratin, pay all this money an its jus cocked again, an i really dont want to take it back there cus theyre wayne kerrs! anyone know of a VAG specialist in Reading/surrounding areas?
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Have a look yourself !!
Sounds like a problem with your ISV ... sorry if that means nothing to you ???
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straight over my head there mate
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I know of a good specialist in Southampton if that's any good?
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obviously you prefer town driving to fast country lanes so the 8v is a better car for you.
Hoe can someone not like country lanes, pure madness
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Still the fact of the matter is the 16v produces MORE power and torque all the way up the rev range, up to 4000rpm not a lot more, loads more after 4000rpm.
THAT IS FACT ;)
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jesus christ people......this thread is on page f**king 43......
:o :o :o :o
get over it ;D
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lets make it 45 ;D ;D
i read on the internet that 8v's were badged as CL's in europe, its just in tyhe uk there GTI ;D
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yeah
mk2 gti 8v digifant 0-60 in 10 seconds
:-*
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yeah, woo hoo! if people type it enough times maybe it will come true! ::)
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it is true :D
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With an 8v you can run it on normal unleaded if you are short of cash or unable to get to a shell garage or somewhere that does super unleaded. The 16v suffers on 95ron fuel and you can't change the timing to make it run better. The 8v is more flexible, cheaper to run (parts are cheaper too) and more subtle. 16v's need to be screwed to get the best out of them which is not always a good thing when buying one this long after they were first registered!
My mate had trouble overtaking on the motorway if he didn't drop it into 2nd!
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lol this must b the biggest post yet! :D
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just trying to make 45 pages ;D
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thats what i was saying earlier on in the thread, but people were just not listening. ;) :D
both great cars tho,
the 8valve a bit greater tho ;)
::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
comon marcus your a bit boring now :P
obviously you prefer town driving to fast country lanes so the 8v is a better car for you.
hmmmm, what the f**k? >:(
ive just had a long trip on the motorway and down some b roads in my 8valver, and it was terrific! ;D
so what the f**k are you talking about?
do you personally know me or my driving style?
i dont think so. so shut ya trap :P
im getting a g60 cos ive always wanted one, is that ok with you? :P :P
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With an 8v you can run it on normal unleaded if you are short of cash or unable to get to a shell garage or somewhere that does super unleaded. The 16v suffers on 95ron fuel and you can't change the timing to make it run better. The 8v is more flexible, cheaper to run (parts are cheaper too) and more subtle. 16v's need to be screwed to get the best out of them which is not always a good thing when buying one this long after they were first registered!
My mate had trouble overtaking on the motorway if he didn't drop it into 2nd!
your mate is a XXXXXXXXXX then :o
tell him the accelerator is the one on the right.
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ive just had a long trip on the motorway and down some b roads in my 8valver, and it was terrific! ;D
tell the whole story marcus - i still caught and overtook you in my milk float.
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lets make it 45 ;D ;D
i read on the internet that 8v's were badged as CL's in europe, its just in tyhe uk there GTI ;D
Mark 3's that is! ;)
8v 0-60 is what is stated in the owners manual and we all know they are rather conservative.
tinman ^^^ LOL! ;D
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ive just had a long trip on the motorway and down some b roads in my 8valver, and it was terrific! ;D
tell the whole story marcus - i still caught and overtook you in my milk float.
is that what your calling your 16valver these days??? :D :D :D
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ive just had a long trip on the motorway and down some b roads in my 8valver, and it was terrific! ;D
tell the whole story marcus - i still caught and overtook you in my milk float.
is that what your calling your 16valver these days??? :D :D :D
no, it was my milk float - electric powered thing - bought it for fun - just to p*ss off 8v owners.
if i was in the 16v - then it wouldn't of been a race - more of a comedy sketch about an 8v trying to keep up with a 16v.
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ive just had a long trip on the motorway and down some b roads in my 8valver, and it was terrific! ;D
tell the whole story marcus - i still caught and overtook you in my milk float.
is that what your calling your 16valver these days??? :D :D :D
no, it was my milk float - electric powered thing - bought it for fun - just to p*ss off 8v owners.
if i was in the 16v - then it wouldn't of been a race - more of a comedy sketch about an 8v trying to keep up with a 16v.
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
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MEGA QUOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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anyway the 8valve gti sold more.......
so it must be better!!!! :P :P :P :P
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wtf? it was released first...............
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anyway the 8valve gti sold more.......
so it must be better!!!! :P :P :P :P
they were built to a ratio if memory serves me right.
somewhere between 4 and 8 8vs per 1 16v.
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Boy - I wanted to find a thread to help me choose my first VW first Golf and first Gti and I find this :o Helpful and pretty funny. On the fiat coupe forum there's some good-natured banter between the Turbo crew and the N/A crew but the difference there is so massive that it's a no-brainer; 145bhp v 220. (250 in my case ;D ). What I want to know is the 30-70 times through the gears in both cars - that's where the action is.
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i think my 8v golf is the best car in the world, but i have to admit that i would like some more speed higher up the revs and once you get into third its pretty much like a 1.4 or 1.6....
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Boy - I wanted to find a thread to help me choose my first VW first Golf and first Gti and I find this :o Helpful and pretty funny. On the fiat coupe forum there's some good-natured banter between the Turbo crew and the N/A crew but the difference there is so massive that it's a no-brainer; 145bhp v 220. (250 in my case ;D ). What I want to know is the 30-70 times through the gears in both cars - that's where the action is.
hey mackey! :D
i used to use the fiat coupe forum when i had mmy 20valve turbo!
its good, but not as good as good as this one! ;)
30-70 wont compare that favourably to your coupe in either golf 16v/8v.
i love the torque in my 8valve and goin from 220bhp to 112 has been ok,
the golf is loads of fun to throw around corners ;D
in many ways i prefer it to my coupe! ;)
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That's reassuring. I always promised myself a Mrk2 Gti and just realised that if I don't get on with it it'll be too late. I'd keep the coupe if I could afford 2 cars but.... nope.
I reckon I'd prefer a 16V but I'll take the first really mint one I find. No - the 30-70 won't beat 5.2 secs ;D but does anyone know what the figures are?
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0-60 in a 16 valve is 7.9 :P
0-60 in a 8valve is 8.3 :)
not that much difference for the sake of 27bhp! :D :D :D
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once you get into third its pretty much like a 1.4 or 1.6....
what sort of 1.4s are you driving!!!!!?????!!!!! ;D ;D
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marcus gti = black gti ??? ;D
ive uncovered a conspiracy methinks ;D
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0-60 in a 16 valve is 7.9 :P
0-60 in a 8valve is 8.3 :)
not that much difference for the sake of 27bhp! :D :D :D
Don't wanna get embroiled in this too much but there's no way a car with a bhp of only 120 per tonne (the 8V) is gonna hit 60 that fast. More likely 9.0 or thereabouts - it's physics. The 16V has 150 ish per tonne so I can believe 7.9. But: what are the 30-70's?
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(http://www.navalon.org.uk/temp/gti/ptw.jpg)
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bah this is never gonna end :o all i wanted 2 know was in yr view wot IS the better car 8v or 16v, 46 pages later and i still cant make my mind up :D :D
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officail figures show 8.3 dont they zoid?
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whatever the 'official figures' say the 16v is a good second quicker 0-60, maybe 1.5secs quicker
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whatever the 'official figures' say the 16v is a good second quicker 0-60, maybe 1.5secs quicker
::) ::)
this guy! >:(
id like to see ,y 8valver vs your 16valver and then lets see if im 1.5 secs behind!!! >:( :P
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i know its hard to swallow but 16v is a superior car marcus.
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validate what your saying,
y is it superior?
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ok its torquier ALL over the rev range, its more powerful over the whole rev range, its got slightly better suspension (10mm lower) its got better brakes (256mm brakes 8v has 239mm), its got an extra 1000rpm to rev, and i think the 16v's gears are a bit longer too ??? ok the 8v isnt slow and i dont dislike them but you gotta realise that the 16v is faster.
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What you doing veedubgti16v, we've got to get to at least 50 pages before you can start making conclusive statements like that! :)
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ok its torquier ALL over the rev range, its more powerful over the whole rev range, its got slightly better suspension (10mm lower) its got better brakes (256mm brakes 8v has 239mm), its got an extra 1000rpm to rev, and i think the 16v's gears are a bit longer too ??? ok the 8v isnt slow and i dont dislike them but you gotta realise that the 16v is faster.
well so what if its quicker? :P
that doesnt make it a better car!! >:(
a renault 5 gtt is quicker than a mk2 gti, but does that make it a better car? ???
NO!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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What you doing veedubgti16v, we've got to get to at least 50 pages before you can start making conclusive statements like that! :)
Sorry zoid ;D ;D
apart from these advantages they are pretty much the same car marcus so yes it is a better car. its not hard to see
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::)
ok then truce?
there both as good as eachother? :D
*marcus offers a handshake truce to veedub16valve*
8)
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just drive both ffs!
then you'll see how nice the 16v is and how it doesn't lack anything at low revs where the 8v will never be happy @ 7000rpm.
read the golf+ this month. it tells you all about the 8 and 16v designs
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IM OFFERING A f**kIN TRUCE FOR f**kS SAKE!!!!!!!!!! :D
:D :D :D :D :D
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buy a mark 1 and get a decent ride. (http://img38.photobucket.com/albums/v118/misscab/bird.gif)
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Scanned this in from a recent VW motoring article...
(http://www.navalon.org.uk/temp/gti/8v-or-16v.gif)
Although I think they are mainly talking crap regarding price, and before everyone starts telling me how cheap they got their car for, well all I'll say is if anyone out there can find me a mint (and I mean mint) late spec 16v with 70k for under 3k then I'll quite happily pay you a finders fee, say 5% (and I'm being serious!)
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there was never any hard feelings marcus, its a post on an internet forum, not an episode of neighbours.
zoid i got a good deal, 89 G plate, 78,000 miles, ?1400 ;D ;D theres loads of bargains out there, just look and dont get impatient ;)
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buy a mark 1 and get a decent ride. (http://img38.photobucket.com/albums/v118/misscab/bird.gif)
in the tow truck :P
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buy a mark 1 and get a decent ride. (http://img38.photobucket.com/albums/v118/misscab/bird.gif)
in the tow truck :P
better than looking like a tow truck
(http://img38.photobucket.com/albums/v118/misscab/nana.gif)
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better than looking like a skip ;D ;D
:P
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your cars not pink is it veedub (http://img38.photobucket.com/albums/v118/misscab/Sam.gif) - rather a yellow cab than a pink mark 2 any day ;D
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My mate has a 16v in black for sale with 75K on the clock in 'mint' condition. He will only take offers over ?3K or the car stays.
More info, IM me.
You have mail.
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so has this ended yet :D :P anybody else?........... :P
so far im temped 2 go down the 8v route
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ys that mate? ;)
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yeah go for the 8v.
its really torquey up to 20mph.
then take 10 secs to get to 60 :D
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joker,
obviously never driven a good 8valver :P :D
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I've driven a 2.0L 8v in a scirocco, that weren't bad :D
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I say compromise, get 12 valves ;D
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joker,
obviously never driven a good 8valver :P :D
marcus have you driven a 16v yet?
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yeh y? ???
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cant you tell the difference?
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yeah 8v is well quick, NOT :D
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Why don't u lot just got ur c*cks out measure them against each other.... Save a lot of hassle and time.
Yeah ma 8v isn't as fast as a valver but does it really matter that much?
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when the other 8v owners think like u golfgal im sure this post will stop
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i'll win the cock contest :D
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golfgal if you want to see our cocks just ask, no need to be sly :o :o
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marginally,
but like ive sed before, my 8valver is a very good example performance wise, i may have driven a pants 16 valve.
it wasnt electrifying :o
but i wouldnt mind driving one again! :D
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'some' of these 16v drivers obviously have an inferiority complex regarding the size of the genitalia, ergo.....
16v = faster car, but = smaller genitals
People with a bad inferiority complex would constantly feel the need to demeanor the 8v and say silly things like "yeah go for the 8v.its really torquey up to 20mph.then take 10 secs to get to 60" and would probably need to drive a car with a big engine, for example a vr6 ;)
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Its you 8v owners that have the inferiority complex.
Constantly coming up with reasons to buy an 8v over a 16v.
1. Its got more low down torque
2. Its more tunable
3. Its more reliable
ALL BOLLOX ;)
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so the faster the car you have the smaller your dick is???
formula one drivers must have tiny thingy :o
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calm down guys! :D
how about we just agree to disagree?both great cars, no need to argue!so lets make up :-*
jv, close this thread please! 8)
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no point closing it, will always start again in another post ::)
I am still laughing at golfvr6 admitting to being the biggest d!ck :P
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::) alright then,
cracking on with the debate then..............
whens the next big meet then?
any of the 16valvers out there down for a race?
we can settle it like that! ;) :D ;) :D
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no point closing it, will always start again in another post ::)
I am still laughing at golfvr6 admitting to being the biggest d!ck :P
No John, i admitted to HAVING the biggest d!ck :D
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so the faster the car you have the smaller your thingy is???
formula one drivers must have tiny thingy :o
I walk ;D
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Don't allow golfgal to side track this debate. She did it on purpose.
Let me say once again that 8v is quicker but 16v is the quickest.
Keep it up guys. ;D
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do ya reckon we make 100 pages? :D
8v 0-60 10.0 secs
16v 0-60 7.1 secs
;)
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Yeah, I want it to hit 100. I just love these discussions. ;D
But seems some guys have worn themselves out.
I believe they will bounce back in the next few days.
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I'll race any of you mk2 8v people in my vr.
Be prepared to be totally stuffed.... :D
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10.01secs 8v? :o.
Vr6 you're being mean to 8v owners.
And you want to race them? Won't be a fair race, will it?
Give them some credit please.
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0-60 IN A GOOD 8VALVER IS 8.3!!!!!!!!! :D
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That's about what mine does it in Marcus
I drove a corrado Vr6 at the weekend it was absolutely rubbish.
My golf would have left it standing, but he wouldn't race me.
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yeah alwight mate
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Marcus is yours a standard 8v?
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Seriously mate.
It must have had something wrong with it.
Ok mine wouldn't have left it standing but the Corrado wouldn't have disappeared into the distance like it should have.
It felt sluggish.
Anyway my vote is for the 16valve Gti eventhough I have an 8v. I'm sure most of the 8v owners would swap their's for a 16v.
I know I would
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doh!
uve given in!
my golf is standerd apart from the drilled airbox!
but it is in fantastic mechanical order, whic can be the difference between a o-60 time of 8.3 and 10 seconds.
mine definately does it in the early 8's,
and id be more than happy to race any of you smelly 16 valve owners to proove it!!!!!! :D :D
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Santa Pod Raceway, Sunday 11th July 2004.
http://www.golfgti.co.uk/viewfutureevents.asp?eventID=35
1/4 mile track. Big 8v/16v/12v face-off. Real times, done on the same day, only difference being the driver. Can settle a few things, or are you all too scared to put your car where your mouth is? :)
jv
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im down for it! :D
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Perfect location as long as it does not attract blistering rain on the day. Should be a great day out. 8)
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i will have to think about that one :D
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pussey!
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Phew! Just read the entire thread.
I have to say that after owning an 8v and a 16v that the 16v would be my choice, i loved that car. They are more fun to drive simply because you have to really drive them to get good results. Having said that my VR6 topped them both.......easily!
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do ya reckon we make 100 pages? :D
8v 0-60 10.0 secs
16v 0-60 7.1 secs
;)
Am neutral (haven't bought anything yet) but I know about power to weight and motors. No way on earth that the 121 bhp per tonne 8V is that slow - 9.0 at slowest. No way on earth the 144 bhp per tonne 16V is that fast - 7.6 at very fastest.
Vr6 - Too heavy - my Fiat Turbo eats 'em for brecky.
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my coupe used to eat em too,
in fact it would eat most things on the road!
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Having owned two mk2 8v's and two mk2 16v's personally I would go for the 16v anyday. Just picked up a cheap 8v as a run-around while I'm looking for a mint 16v, driving it home on saturday and went for an adventurous overtake however revs hit 5k and I had to rethink and pull back in. I said to my girlfriend if we had been in a 16v we could have blasted past that motor no problems. In my view there is no substitute for those extra 1000rpm. Yeah you have to work the gears harder to keep the engine revs up but in my opinion that makes for a much more fun driving experience. Oh and the sound of a 16v engine costantly kept above 5000rpm around some twisty country roads just can't be matched by the painful scream of the equivalent 8v.
Don't get me wrong I still really enjoy the 8v (tis still great fun) but for the real driver it has to be the 16v.
Ahhh that's better been watching this thread for ever and just had to get it off my chest now.
Toby
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good for you mate ;)
hope you feel better :D
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thats a bit harsh just cos he dont like 8v :-\
i think you have been officiall overruled and overtaken marcus ;D
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(http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/sucks1.jpg)
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sos dude, that was a bit harsh!
im looking at a few mint 16 valvers at the moment anyway! :D :D
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This thread will never die!
In the apocalyptic aftermath of a nuclear war this thread will still be there crawling about in the rubble with the cockroaches.
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LOL thingyroaches!!!
Good old automated censoring!!!
Sorry that should be c@#kroaches!!!
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this thread has been good fun, its been good having the running battles with veedub16v, golf vr6 and tinman. :D
as for the conclusion? ???
i really dont care, i love both cars and incidently im looking for a new dub at the moment. ;)
ive toyed with the idea of a g60, but hopefully this weekend im goin to have a look at a "mint" 16valver and an a "mint" vr6( its done 25k miles)!!!! only snag is it is left hand drive.
i love my 8 valver :-* :-* :-*
but after having a really quick fiat coupe i need to get back to owning a seriously quick car( so ill probably be getting the vr6! ;) :D) fingers crossed.
but the 16valver does look very nice, and its cheaper too! :P
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Tell me about this 16v Marcus, might be just what I am looking for (not that I'm gonna try and sneak in and snatch it from ya of course).
Toby
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its well nice,
what do you wanna know? ;)
where do you live?
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I live in the cambridge area (I travelled to ediburgh though the other week to look at a motor so it really doesn't matter where it is)
I'm looking for a late model, H or J plate 3door 16v in a dark metallic colour preferably oak green. No more than 110k on the clock and preferably totally standard. Bodywork must be exceptional and definately have had no respraying or accident repair. Cash has been waiting 6months now for the right car to come along.
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must have hurt to go to edinburgh for you to have then not brought it?
the one im looking at is a g reg and it has got 124k miles.
so you wouldnt be interested, but it is in absoloutly immaculate condition.
whatr do yall think of a lhd vr6?
or even worse what do you think of an auto vr6?
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Seems pointless to get a lhd VR6 unless it's a real bargain. Plenty of very good uk cars around for sensible money.
If you use a vr6 for crusing up and down motorways auto is fine, by all accounts the auto box is quite good on a vr6, never tried one though.
Stick to the manual is you want to drive for enjoyment.
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Sounds like it could be a good un but you're right probably not quite what I'm after just have to keep being patient. Recently bought kniteriders 8v to keep me happy in the meantime.
I thought about a LHD car for a while (was considering the g60 option). I know everybody says they aren't too bad but I still think they would be a bit of a pain in the arse on winding roads when you want to overtake. I was recently thinking about it while in the passengers seat of my girlfriends car. I was seeing how hard it would be to judge overtaking, we were driving along behind a van and I thought the road ahead was clear so I would have started pulliing out, a split second later a car flew past in the other direction. That kind of made up my mind that I just wouldn't be safe in one and put me off.
As for an auto, I suppose they are alright if you just want to stamp on the throttle and go but if you enjoy driving and want more control I don't think I would go for one. Also there is the higher costs of repairing an auto and the fact that they sap more power.
Would definately look for a rhd manual.
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hey my 8valve comes from kniterider as well!!! :D
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heh heh what a wheeler dealer ;)
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Wateva ::)
wen u lot gonna get ur kno bs out then??
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get your rat out first!!!! :-* :-* :-*
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i asked first...
wen u gettin ur valver?? If the 8v was all that y u going for a 16v??
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my 8valver is all that!
just the 16valver looks nicer thats all! :D
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And has a better engine :-*
soz I'm bored stiff n tryin to start an argument :-*
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:D :D
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has this arguementay closed then? :D
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as your getting a 16v i think it has ;D ;)
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oh man!!!
was i the only one out there repping for the 8valver?
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Yes - I liked my 8v mk2 but if someone had said oh here's a 16v engine I'm not stoopid nuff to say no.
16v = better than 8v
though I heard they can be bit more of a biatch at times??
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8v's are more reliable and they have more tuning potential and are torquier across the rev range. THAT IS FACT! :-* ;)
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^^thats cos you need to tune them ;D
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sorry just doing an impression of mr6! ;)
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where is 6? ???
havnt seen him in ages :P
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8v's are more reliable and they have more tuning potential and are torquier across the rev range. THAT IS FACT! :-* ;)
8v ares cheaper to tune up to 16v spec, but beyond that you are looking at big bucks.
More reliable? not really, both units are very reliable.
More torquier across the rev range? if that was true then the 8v would infact produce more bhp as well ;)
:-*
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my 8v is producing more torque and bhp than veedubgti16v's 16v!
i got 122.6bhp and 126 lb/ft and he got 117bhp and 108lb/ft!
im so chuffed!
im gonna have to chip it!
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until your car is fixed mark this thread is being put to bed! (between you and me anyway!) :P
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8v's are more reliable and they have more tuning potential and are torquier across the rev range. THAT IS FACT! :-* ;)
8v ares cheaper to tune up to 16v spec, but beyond that you are looking at big bucks.
More reliable? not really, both units are very reliable.
More torquier across the rev range? if that was true then the 8v would infact produce more bhp as well ;)
:-*
i was taking the piss
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veedub's 16v must be sh!t if its only producing 117bhp at the flywheel ;)
are you sure it isn't an 8v in disguise? :D
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.6?
lol! :D
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8v's are more reliable and they have more tuning potential and are torquier across the rev range. THAT IS FACT! :-* ;)
8v ares cheaper to tune up to 16v spec, but beyond that you are looking at big bucks.
More reliable? not really, both units are very reliable.
More torquier across the rev range? if that was true then the 8v would infact produce more bhp as well ;)
:-*
i was taking the piss
really????
i could never of guessed :D
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could be! ;D either way i took the piss the whole way home!
i think he binned his power graph!
slleps got 186bhp and 278lb/ft out of his pd150 mk4 which is totally standard! :o
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i was chuffed with my figures cos all i done was drill the airbox!
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vw figures are usually understated.
what were the other results?
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fookin hell,
looks like some peeps got some gassed up resutls man!
:o
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I thought S11eps had had a Revo remap ???
Golfgal recond she blew him away on the way to newark 1.
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:-[ :-[ :-[
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^^^ hanging his head in disbelief
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:D
so after all that bullsh!t conversation its finished..........
CASE CLOSED
VERDICT............
both the 8v and the 16v win,
cos ive owned both and there great ;)
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sense at last :)