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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: cookie55 on 19 February 2008, 22:42
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Hello
New I'm new to this forum. Or any forum in fact.
I am the proud owner of an 05 plate diamond black GTI manual and have been reading with interest the numerous posts.
I absolutely love my GTI, the best car I have had. (the BMW 325 coupe I was lucky enough to own was great and had a MKII GTI in Canada, but the latest GTI has the edge for everyday fun, with quality, class and...It's hard sometimes to put your finger on it...it's just brilliant!)
My question is, can it get any better. Edition 30 with DSG or get my standard GTI chipped?
I'm sure there is a few of you that will have an opinion as to whether it's worth 'upgrading' for even more fun.
Thanks for your time.
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Welcome to the forum Cookie,
A remapped standard manual GTI will be about as fast as a DSG ED30. Maybe the remapped GTI would have slightly better in gear accelleration than an ED30 due to the extra torque, but it wouldn't be that much.
Upgrading to an ED30 DSG is worthwhile if you are interested in remapping it for 300bhp thrills or for the added advantages of the DSG, or the styling and extra options and if you can afford it (obviously)
In the end it's up to you and only that little voice inside your head can make the decision :wink:
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Thanks Hurdy
Do you know what is the sensible BHP that can be achieved from a remaped GTI without pushing your luck and also using a reputable company or will/can a VW dealer remap it. Is it worth doing, any insurance problems? It is hard to know what the difference will be in everyday performance. The standard Golf GTI has great performance.
Cheers.
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Hi and welcome to the forum :smiley:
Is your current car a manual ?
As Hurdy says, only you can really answer the question as it depends on what you really want from your car.
Seems to me like you have two questions to ask
1. Do you want DSG
2. Do you want an ED 30
If it was me, I would'nt change for the sake of it, but I'd wait until I needed to change car. I don't think you'd have much "more fun" by upgrading as they are very similar cars. I waited until my finance was up, and then changed from a DSG GTi to a manual ED30. My personal preference would now be a DSG ED30 with 18" Monzas ! Maybe next time for me :grin:
If the time is right for you to change car, and you can afford it, then why not go for it - ED 30 DSG and then a possible remap to 300bhp 3 months later ? That would be my choice :smiley:
Most reputable remap companies will also give you a free trial, so you can experience the difference - where do you live ?
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Hi and A Warm Welcome, cookie :smiley:
If you were about to buy I'd say order an Ed30 but it would be very expensive overall to now part exchange an 05 GTI and then start modding an Ed30.
Have a read about my modded 05 (06 build) GTI: http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=76814.msg619855#msg619855 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=76814.msg619855#msg619855)
Personally I think a Stage1 delivering approx 260 bhp (limit torque to 300 ft lb if DSG) is practical and reliable longer term for a fast FWD road car.
:cool:
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....But in answer to your topic title - Yes, excellent as the standard GTI is, you can unlock some of its true potential by sensible modding. Afterall, such cars are built with headroom and to meet various restrictive laws in different market locations. They are also built to a price in a competitive market.
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Hello RedRobin
Thanks to you, JonnyG and Hurdy for your welcomes and advise.
I think a this stage I would like to try a basic performance upgrade (unlike your impressive work, RedRobin) and hopefully look to an ED30 DSG later in the year. I currently live in Scotland but am moving to Suffolk in early summer.
I have been looking a the Revo site and was wondering what your thoughts on the 'performance software' option. Is this the same as remapping? Looks like around £500 and gives you 255 bhp and 285 ft/lbs, sounds enough for front wheel drive?. Seems a economical option for some more go. Love the idea that you can have a free 5 hour test of the software in your own car first!
Anybody know if your local VW dealer will offer this upgrade/remap.
Your help and opinions are appreciated.
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Anybody know if your local VW dealer will offer this upgrade/remap.
No chance of that here in the UK I'm afraid :sad:
A lot of Scots have gone for the GIAC remap - must be a local tuner up your way :
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=75821.0
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=76274.0
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=73935.0
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Thanks for the links.
What I was asking is do VW offer there own type of software upgrade, if so are they any good, or is it just companies like Revo that offer these, Revo seem to be highly regarded.
Is this type of software upgrade the same as remapping? Pardon my lack of knowledge.
I'm presuming the warranties are not effected by these modifications??
Does seem the way to go for a quick boost in power.
Anyone with any thoughts and opinions as to whether it is worth doing and the resulting difference would be a great help.
Thanks.
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Your warranty will be void if you tell the dealer its remaped,also the only VW garage i no of in scotland that offer you a remap when you purchase a car is Arnold Clark VW & Seat in Paisley,they used star performance.
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Vw in edinburgh are known to offer maps from a 3rd party co. when purchasing new Vw's.
In Scotland at the moment you have Revo from Drivers in Glasgow, no r/road to confirm your new power increase another revo dealer in aberdeen same again, Custom code agent in Glasgow i believe and APR in the central belt somewhere.Star performance in Fife with GIAC and they have a r/r.the later i have used and can recommend them.
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Your warranty will be void if you tell the dealer its remapped
....Not true!
I discussed my intention to remap with my VW dealer BEFORE I did so. They have no problem about it and I switch my Revo Stage1 to Stock map when my dealer is going to service my car. Revo recieve ECU updates directly from VW within days of the VW dealer getting the info. My Revo tuner had the last VW update before my dealer knew of it!
Your warranty will only be void if the remap is found to be a direct cause of an issue.
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Your warranty will be void if you tell the dealer its remapped
....Not true!
I discussed my intention to remap with my VW dealer BEFORE I did so. They have no problem about it and I switch my Revo Stage1 to Stock map when my dealer is going to service my car. Revo recieve ECU updates directly from VW within days of the VW dealer getting the info. My Revo tuner had the last VW update before my dealer knew of it!
Your warranty will only be void if the remap is found to be a direct cause of an issue.
YOur dealer must be different because i've just been told by my dealer if my car is remaped the warranty's void.
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Hi There
Ive got the standard car with a Revo Switchable remap. By that it means you have a little control unit with you can plug into the cars OBD Diagnostic port which is a socket underneath the dash near to the bonnet release catch.
My experience with the Remap has been excellent. The power delivery is silky smooth very linear - theres no peaking unlike previous remaps on M4 Golfs and TT'S ive had. When its switched on it just feels like its an oem drive - not driven an ED30 but I expect its very much similar to a stock ED30.
I normally drive in standard mode at 30-35mpg average - in remap ill get 29-32mpg average.
It transforms the car from being mildly quick to be quite rapid particulaly in 3-5th gears. The extra power on the move seems to settle the car more so than in standard tune. Its weird but the car seems to handle better with the remap on. Best way I can describe is that it feels right.
For me the benefits of this are that I can switch the car to suit my mood and journey type eg country roads = remap - motorway standard. You can adjust for different fuel types 95/98 ron. Theres a imobilising feature. You adjust when you take it back to the dealer and makes it very versatile.
Id very much reccomend this product for the MK5
Hope this helps
Cheers
Yanek
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Your warranty will only be void if the remap is found to be a direct cause of an issue.
Your dealer must be different because i've just been told by my dealer if my car is remaped the warranty's void.
....If your dealer is saying that no matter what warranty issue arises (a failed headlight unit or a faulty door lock, for example), your whole warranty is null and void because your ECU is remapped, he is seriously out of order and not even legally within his rights as I understand the law. :angry:
That's an outrageous attitude and if it was me I would go to a better VW dealer immediately.
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I posed the remap/warranty question to the Service Manager at the Leamington VW dealer today and he advised that as long as it was a sensible remap eg. 20% power increase then all warranty work would still be covered.
The only exception would be the ECU itself if it developed a fault as a result of the work the re-mappers had done.
I thought this was a pretty fair response.
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I posed the remap/warranty question to the Service Manager at the Leamington VW dealer today and he advised that as long as it was a sensible remap eg. 20% power increase then all warranty work would still be covered.
The only exception would be the ECU itself if it developed a fault as a result of the work the re-mappers had done.
I thought this was a pretty fair response.
I've just had a ECU replaced by VW,all they kept saying was have you had your car remapped.
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And have you?
Its my understanding that they cannot identify a remap unless they actually put it on a rolling road and see obvious power gains, so maybe thats why they kept asking the question rather than establishing it for themselves.
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True,they were wanting me to say it had been mapped,as the ECU costs £800 for the part only.
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I posed the remap/warranty question to the Service Manager at the Leamington VW dealer today and he advised that as long as it was a sensible remap eg. 20% power increase then all warranty work would still be covered.
The only exception would be the ECU itself if it developed a fault as a result of the work the re-mappers had done.
I thought this was a pretty fair response.
....I think this is very fair and reasonable too :smiley:
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Its my understanding that they cannot identify a remap unless they actually put it on a rolling road and see obvious power gains, so maybe thats why they kept asking the question rather than establishing it for themselves.
....My understanding is that they would have to send the ECU to Germany (probably Bosch) to be certain and that, once there, they would definitely be able to confirm a remap.
If your remap is switchable, like a Revo, you would be wise to switch to Stock for any dealer sessions anyway. My dealer knows about my remap but I still switch to Stock so their work is more reliable.
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Its my understanding that they cannot identify a remap unless they actually put it on a rolling road and see obvious power gains, so maybe thats why they kept asking the question rather than establishing it for themselves.
....My understanding is that they would have to send the ECU to Germany (probably Bosch) to be certain and that, once there, they would definitely be able to confirm a remap.
If your remap is switchable, like a Revo, you would be wise to switch to Stock for any dealer sessions anyway. My dealer knows about my remap but I still switch to Stock so their work is more reliable.
I take mine in for its first service on Monday, I have the switchable Bluefin map on mine so will be switching to standard for the service so that any ECU updates go smoothly, hopefully when I get my car back I can re-install the map without any problems. Robin - have you had any problems with your revo map not being in 'sync' with the ECU after a service update? I'm concerned that if it does receive an update then it may not be as simple as just re-installing it... :undecided:
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Robin - have you had any problems with your revo map not being in 'sync' with the ECU after a service update? I'm concerned that if it does receive an update then it may not be as simple as just re-installing it... :undecided:
....VW's update 24K6 gave some people problems. I didn't bother switching back after my 24K6 update and just went straight back to Revo who did the necessary (free of charge).
As I've already posted: Revo receive the updates direct from VW within days of the dealers getting them and so are able to produce solutions very quickly.