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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Grim_Reaper on 17 February 2008, 22:16
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state your reasons for why :evil:
just curious to see what peoples views are on both cars (have heard good and bad things about both engines :lipsrsealed:)
mk3's only please...most of us already know that mk1's and mk2's are cool :laugh:
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vr6 if fuel economy dosent matter..the sound and the low down power is awesome!!
16v if you want more rev happy (top end power)...as fast as the vr6 without the noise or economy issues
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but surely if you dont thrash the vr everywhere then it can be just as economical??? :p
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but surely if you dont thrash the vr everywhere then it can be just as economical??? :p
yeah but the sound is addictive!!
i believe 28mpg is average for the vr and 32mpg is ave for the 16v...
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The only MK3 Golf I would consider would be a VR6. The reason is the power and noise.
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but surely if you dont thrash the vr everywhere then it can be just as economical??? :p
yeah but the sound is addictive!!
i believe 28mpg is average for the vr and 32mpg is ave for the 16v...
yet my 8v gets less than this!
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yet my 8v gets less than this!
I don't wonder why?? :lipsrsealed:
my 8v gives 36mpg (but down to 18mpg when giving it some and town driving)
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GTI 16V :cool:
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VR6,the only respectable mk3
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Depends what you want.
A 16v is nearly as fast and is more economical.
The Vr6 sounds great but is thirsty and expensive if things go wrong!
The VR is a great drive, But ..........
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16v for me purley based on running costs.
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in ten years the only thing i replaced was the coil pack.vr6's just have to be well maintained and the owner must know whats up.thats it..if you dont know what ur doing things can get bad fast.
but,its a wonderful car it gives u the power when u need it and the sound really makes it tough to drive slow.sometimes its almost as if the car were telling u to hit the gas.seriously.
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in ten years the only thing i replaced was the coil pack.vr6's just have to be well maintained and the owner must know whats up.thats it..if you dont know what ur doing things can get bad fast.
but,its a wonderful car it gives u the power when u need it and the sound really makes it tough to drive slow.sometimes its almost as if the car were telling u to hit the gas.seriously.
wow...can really tell you like looking after your car then :smiley:
:D 32 and 28 mpg isnt a whole world of difference TBH, im getting less that that in my volvo :tongue: its a brick too which doesnt help :laugh: :tongue:
why did that guy have to drive past me with his vr and why did i come straight home and sit on youtube :sad: :grin: :sad: :grin: hes thrown me off what i wanted to do :laugh: :angry:
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vr6......the noise mmmmmm go on get the binge drinker :smiley:
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Vr6 higline.
all about the noise. :cool:
Ive had the ABF 16 and the vr6. They felt almost the same in power
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I like the sound of a 16v... although v6's sound nice...
I dont know how youre getting those 8v mpg figures?
I get 45mpg in my 16v at 60mph and 50mpg in my mums 8v at 60... getting about 35 round town
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vr6......the noise mmmmmm go on get the binge drinker :smiley:
Excellent quote! :grin:
VR all the way, then go insane and supercharge it! Release the beast within! :evil:
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Ive had a few of each & its all about the noise the engine gives, so there is no competition
VR6 all day long, who gives a hell about a couple of MPG,
16v = :smiley:
VR6 = :grin:
say no more!
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Ive had a few of each & its all about the noise the engine gives, so there is no competition
VR6 all day long, who gives a hell about a couple of MPG,
16v = :smiley:
VR6 = :grin:
say no more!
^^^
What he said, although i have to say with a good exhaust and induction kit the 16v does sound menacing :evil:
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but surely if you dont thrash the vr everywhere then it can be just as economical??? :p
yeah but the sound is addictive!!
i believe 28mpg is average for the vr and 32mpg is ave for the 16v...
yet my 8v gets less than this!
My 1.6 only gets 25, one of the reasons ive bought a vr6, not much difference in price overall.
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As billy_vw says I get average 31mpg out of my VR6 drive it normal ish and it isnt bad at all on juice just buy a good example with good history you cant go wrong..
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the reason im getting bad mpg figues from my 1.8 8v is because its always hanging around with the 5k limit club :D :D :D :D but only when the engine is warm...otherwise i stay below 2.5k :P
dragon6, that figure that you have posted up there, you have compelled me more now...i hate you but i love you in another way lmao :D:D
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I test drove a VR6 before getting my 16v, yeah i had always wanting a VR6 and more so a Highline, but after driving realised the VR6 is front heavy in comparison to the 16v. Yeah is sounds awsome, but i prefer the sound of my 16v screaming away. As i have said in every 16v vs VR6 debate, try each one for yourself. For me I loved the 16v hence why i got one, I have raced a few VR6's and were near enough matching upto above 100-110 then the VR started to pull away. People might say the VR is better spec'd, true if you get a highline model, but late 16v (R plates) usually came with the air-con heated leather seats etc. The 16v is a lot cheaper to run, service, petrol not 100% about insurance.
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i know 2 people who have had the vr6...one a vr6 corrado and one mk3 golf...both said the vr6 engine is sh!t lmao
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not 100% about insurance.
both in insurance group 16 according to parkers
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not 100% about insurance.
both in insurance group 16 according to parkers
I was 5 minutes from buying a vr6 and then my insurance decided it needed at cat 1 alarm fitting!! with the 16v they only wanted a cat2..the price was exactly the same (but the vr needed an extra £300-350 spending for an alarm!!)
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:nerd:
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I like the lazy manor of the Vr engine plus the nice low down grunt.I like low/midrange power not into revving engines hard so the VR suits me.It does have good top end power if you want it.Mine has been lowered slightly which has improved handling,but I also have a mk2 16v for fun days so best of both worlds.. :smiley: :smiley:
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i have the 16v and to be honest with a tidy exhaust system and air filter the sound is better than a vr.
my average mpg is around 36 so not too bad
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i have the 16v and to be honest with a tidy exhaust system and air filter the sound is better than a vr.
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As long as the cost of fuel is a joke I'd go for the valver
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dont really know much about either jus that the vr6 sounds cool as fcuk with an induction kit on it
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Vr all the way dude who cares about fuel ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulR_YcmpMLQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulR_YcmpMLQ) vr noise... :evil:
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Frankly, you need that sound in your life!
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Vr all the way dude who cares about fuel ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulR_YcmpMLQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulR_YcmpMLQ) vr noise... :evil:
Yeah baby.............. :evil:
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i hate when plans change half way through :angry: damn you all :D:D lol
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had both, a £500 track car vr6 , then a decnt 16v mk3 then a vr6 show car ... no substitute for a vr6 im sorry.... will be as good on juice as a 16v if you drive it steady and noise and power all the way through the rev range not just at the bottom.... the handling aint any worse than a boggo standard 16v which is sh!te as most untouched mk3's are...have a 20vt audi a3 at mo and a vr6 would wipe its A55 bigtime....
dont believe the hype.... try it for your self.
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never been in either but from the stats, 2.8ltr giving out about 174bhp?! bit wimpish for all that engine..you all know you wana mk2 20vt...power to weight would eat any vr imo
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Watchout with the insurance...
Parkers say same ins group, but my quotes were...
500 quid a yr for mk3 16v
640 quid a yr for mk2 16v
800 quid for a mk3 VR6!!!
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hmm insurance will be a problem :( ive got till december really, so by that time i should have driven both and had a few quotes :p
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never been in either but from the stats, 2.8ltr giving out about 174bhp?! bit wimpish for all that engine..you all know you wana mk2 20vt...power to weight would eat any vr imo
I have a Mk3 VR6, which I'm now selling, because I've just bought a 1.8T 20V Passat Estate.
I know it's not 100% fair comparison because the passat weighs about 15 tons, but on paper its 150BHP Vs 174BHP, but in practice they're miles apart.
a single BHP figure at a single RPM figure means nothing whatsoever. It's all about the torque curve - Its a nice gentle curve on the VR6, there's just loads of power all over the place, whereas the 1.8T you have to rev its nuts off to get at the power, it's more of a spike where the turbo kicks in. Sure that spike can be made pretty damn high by increasing boost etc, but before Mr Turbo makes himself known you've still only got a 1.8 engine... you don't "feel the power kick in" in a VR. it's just there. all the time.
I notice it all the time - in the VR I could happily drive up the hill to my house in 3rd gear even though it's only at ~1200RPM and the hill is pretty steep, but the passat can't cope at all, as there's just no power below 1500RPM or so... I've got to leave it in 2nd at around 2500-3000RPM....
I really don't want to sell the golf to be honest, but I need something more practical, and can't afford to keep both. :cry:
I vote VR :evil:
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^^^ fairplay never really thought about it like that. im more of a kick you in the seat type of power man so a vr wouldn suit my needs. when out in my mates S3 i couldnt stop smiling, get to that magic rev and OFF you go, love that feeling :)
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16v
Ive never liked the VR6 due to the extra 60kgs over the front wheels it has.
Dont care it has more power, it is meaningless less to me if it cannot go around corners.
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16v
Ive never liked the VR6 due to the extra 60kgs over the front wheels it has.
Dont care it has more power, it is meaningless less to me if it cannot go around corners.
Straight out the factory the suspension set up was poor but you stick some good suspension on them and some good tyres and they will keep up with most things throgh the twisty stuff. At parking speeds you notice the weight quight a bit. :smiley:
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Must admit I find the steering on my Vr very light for parking considering the hefty engine far lighter than the mrs mk2 16v and gives good steering feedback at all speeds,handling is fine now its been lowered a bit I dont really notice the extra weight up front..
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Could just of been mine then dude coz now i think about it my brothers was not as heavy.
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I have to vote for the VR6.
I remember my dad had one imported becuase at one stage they said they could not supply South Africa with them. And it was awesome. So much fun and that sound. It was sold over 6 years ago but I still remember that sound it made.
The Vr6 is the reason we bought my mom an MK5 GTi. She went from a Vr6 to a BMW 3 Series 320i and hated it. The gti brings back fond memories of the VR for her.
Viva la Vr6.
I want one. And a smart car :embarassed:
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VR6 when it comes to the mk3 and the highline at that for me, just try and resist 3rd and there is no way on this earth that a 16v will stay with the VR6 when it comes to roll on i.e. 50mph 3rd gear, no way imho :evil:
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Manage 44mpg on my 8V and have heard that they tend to be more reliable than the 16V. Not sure if the VR6 would have the same collectors appeal later but it must be great fun to drive. I am sure that if it is driven reasonably sensible at times it would be possible to get high thirties mpg
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Not sure if the VR6 would have the same collectors appeal. <<<< :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh:
I am sure that if it is driven reasonably sensible at times it would be possible to get high thirties mpg. <<<<< Never!!!
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I am sure that if it is driven reasonably sensible at times it would be possible to get high thirties mpg. <<<<< Never!!!
It's possible. I once Drove a 103 Mile trip and got 38MPG overall. I started off driving in very chilled out fashion because I was hungover, and it was a lovely day, but after 20 or 30 miles it turned into a quest for best possible fuel consumption. Would have been better still if I hadn't got lost and spent half an hour driving around some tiny arse-end-of-nowhere villages near Salisbury.
Although that wasn't 'Reasonably sensible' driving, that was "pointless driving a VR6, may as well be in a 1 litre metro" driving.
So it is possible, just not particularly any fun.
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The best I've managed to get the VR to do is 32....but then i'm happy with that :laugh:
The mk2 8v does 36-37 all day long and 42 on a run
mfa position 2 shows 25.5 for 1927 miles :cry:
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VR6 for the noise but 16v for the drive. I loved my vr but it was a bit wallowy, but the 16v was a fairly old fashioned spank the pants out of it drive!! Neither of them was as good as any mk2 i have owned but if you want my opinion its the valver every time.
:shocked:
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if you have the £ for petrol get the VR6.
I had to budget a lttle so went for the 16v but would lover a VR6 just for the hell of it.
Not much difference performance wise better noise from the VR though.