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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: cняis on 11 February 2008, 15:39

Title: infrequent stiff steering
Post by: cняis on 11 February 2008, 15:39
the daily has been suffering from stiff steering for the last few months, plus its harder/more notchy turning right than it is turning left. its seems to get worse the warmer the car is. steering column and UJ's have been replaced, and the steering rack has been slackened up by loosening the bolt underneath slightly (a la bentley guide). n/s wishbone was replaced too as the rear bush was worn.

very occasionally it will loosen right up and appear working normally again... which is often associated with a loud "ping" or knock noise i get from the n/s/f. This loud noise often happens when parking whilst turning the steering wheel, and reminds me of the noise you might get when new springs have been fitted(?)

a local garage cant find anything wrong.

ideas?  :sad:


p.s. its a non-PAS model
Title: Re: infrequent stiff steering
Post by: dabill on 11 February 2008, 15:43
track rod ends? ball joints??

just have a good gander, possibly the wheel bearing(s)?

has the new rack and column been fitted correctly? or was it happening before the new stuff?
Title: Re: infrequent stiff steering
Post by: cняis on 11 February 2008, 15:49
track rod ends? ball joints??

just have a good gander, possibly the wheel bearing(s)?

has the new rack and column been fitted correctly? or was it happening before the new stuff?

it was happening before aswell, and the wheel bearings have both been done on the front in the last 18 months

its the occasional ping noise that gets me, its quite loud!
Title: Re: infrequent stiff steering
Post by: ...joe on 11 February 2008, 15:56
sounds like outer c.v joints to me?
Title: Re: infrequent stiff steering
Post by: cняis on 11 February 2008, 16:05
sounds like outer c.v joints to me?

would this account for the "notchyness"? the steering wheel will turn about 1/3 of a turn to the right then lock up before continuing around  :sad:
Title: Re: infrequent stiff steering
Post by: dabill on 11 February 2008, 16:07
best thing you can do is jack up the front, onto axle stands, then off with the wheels (discs if you like so you can see betetr, but not essencial) and get someone to turn the steelring rack, look out for any wierd movements, or cracked cv joints and give everything a wiggle.
Title: Re: infrequent stiff steering
Post by: cняis on 11 February 2008, 16:13
last time it was jacked up on stands was to adjust the steering rack bolt, and the steering felt smooth in both directions.

also, it doesnt make a noise if held on full lock when driving, just when turning the wheel. it will knock once and thats it.
Title: Re: infrequent stiff steering
Post by: golf8v on 11 February 2008, 19:06
top spring mount bearings when siezed cause the ping noise. and if are siezed will cause stiff steering
Title: Re: infrequent stiff steering
Post by: ...joe on 11 February 2008, 19:16
sounds like outer c.v joints to me?

would this account for the "notchyness"? the steering wheel will turn about 1/3 of a turn to the right then lock up before continuing around  :sad:

i had one on its way out and it jerked a bit when turning like it would go hard soft hard soft. i knew what it was just didn't have time to sort it! pull the boot back and have a look. if you're carefull you'll be able to pull it back, have a look and re-fit if everything is fine
Title: Re: infrequent stiff steering
Post by: golf mk2 tornado red on 11 February 2008, 19:51
where do i find the bolt to tighten up my steering. have abit ov play in the rack and was told i could nip this up to remove the excess play. feels like ive got a steering box lol
Title: Re: infrequent stiff steering
Post by: cняis on 11 February 2008, 20:51
on the bottom of the steering rack, u will need to jack the car up.

looky here:

http://www.iol.ie/~kilkennyhockey//BentleyManual/SU01/ch7.2.5.html

you can get to it by looking up towards the rack from behind the o/s/f wheel

also, imagine that picture in reverse (as yours is RHD unlike the pic)
Title: Re: infrequent stiff steering
Post by: golf mk2 tornado red on 11 February 2008, 21:03
sweet sorry for hijacking .tomorrow it will be .i live on a cobble road its a bloody nightmare
Title: Re: infrequent stiff steering
Post by: cняis on 11 February 2008, 22:21
wish mine was more like yours, i have the opposite problem  :sad:
Title: Re: infrequent stiff steering
Post by: rubjonny on 13 February 2008, 12:55
I agree with golf8v, sounds like top mounts to me, and check the springs are seated in the struts properly.
Title: Re: infrequent stiff steering
Post by: cняis on 13 February 2008, 14:36
I agree with golf8v, sounds like top mounts to me, and check the springs are seated in the struts properly.

kthanx  :smiley:

how do i check the top mount bearings for wear/seizure?
Title: Re: infrequent stiff steering
Post by: rubjonny on 13 February 2008, 14:58
jack it up both sides and spinthe wheel, see if you can spot rough/stiff movement :)
Title: Re: infrequent stiff steering
Post by: cняis on 13 February 2008, 15:06
jack it up both sides and spinthe wheel, see if you can spot rough/stiff movement :)

did that and it felt fine.

confused now.

seems like its only a problem if there's weight on the steering/suspension components. (especially slow turning such as parking/turning the car around). its no problem at speed.

 :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: infrequent stiff steering
Post by: rubjonny on 13 February 2008, 15:10
hmm, maybe they only bind when under load.  any play in the top mounts?
Title: Re: infrequent stiff steering
Post by: cняis on 13 February 2008, 15:23
will check when i have chance, is this just a case of popping off the strut top caps and having someone turn the steering wheel whilst i check for play?
Title: Re: infrequent stiff steering
Post by: rubjonny on 13 February 2008, 15:57
yeah, and wiggle the strut about too.  Note there will be movement bwtween the top mount and shock tower, becasue the only thing holding them in is gravity, what you're looking for is play in the actual bearing :)