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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: ice_cube99 on 11 February 2008, 11:07
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Hi been on the forum for a while, in which time i have gained some valuable information...
I am considering ordering a 30 ed, after thinking about most of the other hot hatches, i feel that the 30 ed ticks all right boxes, and in Candy white i think it looks the doggies!
Vxr - Looks ok but it struggling to cope with its power put me off.
St - Really like it in white, but the MPG have put me off.
Typer R - Silver with the Rage Alloys would be for me but not much difference in power at all from the last Type R.
I am thinking of going down to my local stealer tommorow. When i rang them i asked if they had any 30 ed that i could take for a test drive, they said they had none and didnt even have any gti's for me to test. He said i could test drive a gt to get a feel!!! I am in Glasgow and when I rang another stealer in Glasgow they also had no gti's in for a test drive either! :angry:
Has anyone ordered a 30 ed without a test drive of one?
I havent driven in a with DSG so was wanting to try and see how it was compared to a manual!!
One last question for people who had just ordered or recieved there 30ed's are there any discounts to be had on these cars now? What would i push to get from the stealer?
Thanks for any help :smiley:
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I stay in Glasgow,i'm sure motorpoint have an ed30 give them a phone.
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hey, welcome to the forum, candy white ed30 is by far better than any of the other cars you mentioned!! :drool: i drove my gti 40 yrds and decided i wanted her!! larger dealers will have a few gti's in maybe :undecided:. although i went to blackpool VW and they had 4 R32's and not a single gti anywhere :huh:
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Has anyone ordered a 30 ed without a test drive of one?
I havent driven in a with DSG so was wanting to try and see how it was compared to a manual!!
What would i push to get from the stealer?
Hi icecube99 - we ordered our candy white edition 30 DSG without either driving one or even seeing a candy white golf ever.
Why?
-basically the GTI was the only car we liked the look of in the flesh, and the pics on the web of white looked fab.
-the Edition30 spec was far better than our old car, so there was no chance it was going to be disappointing
-Why gamble with DSG? Well the three things I hated about autos were:
a) The extra fuel
b) The lack of control when you wanted it (on most auto boxes)
c) Slow changes (some boxes - my dad's BMW auto box was absolutely dreadful - go for the overtake and it would often take two seconds before the power came on)
All the reviews of the DSG said all these were addressed. (And it turned out to be true).
I wouldn't go for DSG if the car was intended to be used as a track car, but then I wouldn't buy a golf for that sort of thing, I'd buy an old elise or something else a bit more minimal.
In the end, when we actually drove the car, it was even better than we'd imagined, the only problem being that you have to be aware of when to take your foot off the accelerator when you join a motorway, because you hit 100 without realising... With the old manual car, you sort of understood how fast you were going from the engine note in a certain gear. With the DSG thingy and the reasonably refined ride, it's hard to tell what gear it's in (or speed you're doing!) without looking at the dash.
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I sat in a white E30 at a dealers. And then I ordered it. No test drive.
E30 is fabulous, but I wish it had RWD or 4x4. :embarassed:
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With the old manual car, you sort of understood how fast you were going from the engine note in a certain gear. With the DSG thingy and the reasonably refined ride, it's hard to tell what gear it's in (or speed you're doing!) without looking at the dash.
....Easily sorted!! Get a Milltek exhaust - They are not very loud and NOT boy-racer sounding but are loud enough to hear your engine. DSG can be driven as a 'manual' with either tiptronic or, as I much prefer, the paddles. Use D-mode for towns and traffic jam crawling. You can instantly overide D with a paddleshift anyway.
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Thanks for the quick replys!
Think i dont have to test drive one then by the looks of things, and DSG is better than the traditional manual then? Is it easy to get used to?
Are there deals out there now?
stevieC - I have seen them, but they are all silver that they have, I really want to try and get it in Candy White
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Thanks for the quick replys!
Think i dont have to test drive one then by the looks of things, and DSG is better than the traditional manual then? Is it easy to get used to?
Are there deals out there now?
stevieC - I have seen them, but they are all silver that they have, I really want to try and get it in Candy White
i think that stevieC meant for you to test drive. :smiley:
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Thanks for the quick replys!
Think i dont have to test drive one then by the looks of things, and DSG is better than the traditional manual then? Is it easy to get used to?
Are there deals out there now?
stevieC - I have seen them, but they are all silver that they have, I really want to try and get it in Candy White
Just mentioned Motorpoint so you could test drive one first.
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Ah never thought of that!!! that is a good call....will find out if they have any for a test drive cheers!!
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Hi been on the forum for a while, in which time i have gained some valuable information...
I am considering ordering a 30 ed, after thinking about most of the other hot hatches, i feel that the 30 ed ticks all right boxes, and in Candy white i think it looks the doggies!
Vxr - Looks ok but it struggling to cope with its power put me off.
St - Really like it in white, but the MPG have put me off.
Typer R - Silver with the Rage Alloys would be for me but not much difference in power at all from the last Type R.
I am thinking of going down to my local stealer tommorow. When i rang them i asked if they had any 30 ed that i could take for a test drive, they said they had none and didnt even have any gti's for me to test. He said i could test drive a gt to get a feel!!! I am in Glasgow and when I rang another stealer in Glasgow they also had no gti's in for a test drive either! :angry:
Has anyone ordered a 30 ed without a test drive of one?
I havent driven in a with DSG so was wanting to try and see how it was compared to a manual!!
One last question for people who had just ordered or recieved there 30ed's are there any discounts to be had on these cars now? What would i push to get from the stealer?
Thanks for any help :smiley:
Hi ice_cube99,
Went out in a GTI recently, back-to-back with a R32. Loved the GTI, quite liked the R32. Put down an order for a Candy White, ED30, 3-door... assuming it won’t be that different than a GTI (hopefully a bit more pokey).
Car should be here in a couple of weeks and I can’t wait.
Yes there are discounts available, you just have to haggle hard, be a serious buyer and have some fun with them. If they can’t do the deal then move on to another dealer who will. My discounts ranged from 3%-6%, I’ll let you guess which one I chose.
Have fun... Hotrod
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Hi there
We have the standard GTi and I can honestly say that the Ed30 is incredible even though I have never been in one. Theres many reasons for this:
1. Golf GTI won car of the year in 2005
2. Jeremy Clarkson said it was one of the most pleasurable and awesome car he has ever driven.
3. The sales... Look how the Edition 30 sales are going. Theres talk and I think its been done but the Ed30 is still in production.
4. Quality. The Mk5 is the most expensive Golf yet. Due to high quality etc etc
So I can honestly say. We waited 6 months to get our GTi and never test drove a single GTi nor even a standard golf. Take the Ed30 at motorpoint for a spin or just order one and when it arrives get the fright of your life :evil:
Miiike
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Thanks for the replys!!
Going to Motorpoint today see if can take there 30ed out, then i will pop over to a stealer see wot kind of deal i can get done!!
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whats DSG?
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DSG
IS basically one of the most advanced automatic geraboxes around. The reason for this is because it both a manual shift gerabox (through paddles on the steering wheel much like a forumala 1 car) and can also be driven in a normal automatic mode where no changing of gears is needed.
The Dsg box also knocks of almost a second of 0-60 lap times and does not come standard on the GTi.
Not sure if I missed something?
Mike
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whats DSG?
....That's a very long story!
It's a wet dual clutch gearbox system in which the cogs are paired in evens and odds so that the next gear up or down is instantly available. It's NOT an 'automatic' gearbox but does have automatic gear shifting options. It shifts gear faultlessly everytime and is faster than any human shift.
D mode = Changes gear automatically.
S mode = Kisses the red zone revs in each gear before changing gear.
M mode = Manual shifts controlled either via steering wheel paddles or nudging the floor stick tiptronically.
You can overide, mix and match the modes to suit while driving.
Because of so many possible combinations it takes a little while to become fluid and natural. But it's the best of all worlds - Scream on the twisties with the paddleshifts and pop her into D for stress-free traffic jam crawls or urban.
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Direct Shift Gearbox is a dual-clutch automated manual gearbox, which shifts gears faster than Michael Schumacher could ever hope to even in an automatic Ferrari. With two wet plate clutches and a two-part transmission shaft operating different gears, the DSG never takes a rest. For example, when you select “D†for drive, first gear is selected by one clutch, and second gear is pre-selected by the other clutch. This produces an almost seamless gear change with little or no loss of power between shifts. The DSG is currently on board the Bugatti Veyron :cool:
Although you can also change gears manually on the GTI/ED30/R32 using a set of steering wheel mounted paddles, there’s no point really. Just select “S†for Sport and the DSG will run to almost redline in every gear with a little bonus on the way down. When braking hard on the approach to a corner, the car will automatically down shift with a delightful double clutch song, enabling you to power out of the corner in the perfect gear ratio.
It is a great gearbox and is now being copied by the likes of Nissan in their GTR, the new Evo 10 and Porsche, so you can tell it is good when others imitate :wink: :cool:
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:shocked: dat jus sounds amazin lol, the way second gear is pre-selected is jus sick, so theres no clutch pedal? i duno if i wud get bored or not, i love to have a good rev at times but the power and quick shifts jus sound brilliant mate, u lot are well smart, i got a lot to learn but im only 18 so i got time lol, ill have to get an ED30 in a couple years. upgrade from my mk3 1.8 SE lol
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Although you can also change gears manually on the GTI/ED30/R32 using a set of steering wheel mounted paddles, there’s no point really. Just select “S†for Sport and the DSG will run to almost redline in every gear with a little bonus on the way down. When braking hard on the approach to a corner, the car will automatically down shift with a delightful double clutch song, enabling you to power out of the corner in the perfect gear ratio.
....I strongly disagree with you saying "there is no point really" in using the paddles.
One of the things I learnt on my performance driving course (on public roads in my car with top grade blue light instructor) was to select every gear to maintain the ability to instantly either slow or accelerate in the optimum gear.
For approx the first 20,000 miles (44k miles total) in my GTI I only used D and used S for fun twisties and for an overtake. It's behaviour is great and is exactly as you say but does not give you as fine control as using the paddles manually. There are circumstances where she'll change gear when you don't necessarily want her to and also take you into revs you don't necessarily want/need.
Having said that, I absolutely love DSG and wouldn't want another car without it or its equivalent (Mitsu Evo X?).
:smiley:
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Nice bit of info on the DSG!!
Rang motorpoint today, they sold theres today (just my luck), but said they can get one sent up from down south, 3dr silver if i wanted it! He also said they were £19.999 anyone know the reason for them selling them at this price?
Tempting eventhough i want it in candy white
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i want one lol, either an edition30 or R32, be a few years tho
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Ice cube99
Motorpoint tend to sell imports - check the warranty is 3 years - not 3 months!!
They also sell job lots of cancelled orders , I remember seeing the state of corrosion on a so called new Gti
which had been sitting in a field for months.
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Nice bit of info on the DSG!!
Rang motorpoint today, they sold theres today (just my luck), but said they can get one sent up from down south, 3dr silver if i wanted it! He also said they were £19.999 anyone know the reason for them selling them at this price?
Tempting eventhough i want it in candy white
motorpoint mostly sell imports from Holland etc,thats where mine was from so it still has U.K. spec.the only difference is you only get 2 years warranty where in the U.K your dealer gives you the extra year,also i saved over £4000.
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Nice bit of info on the DSG!!
Rang motorpoint today, they sold theres today (just my luck), but said they can get one sent up from down south, 3dr silver if i wanted it! He also said they were £19.999 anyone know the reason for them selling them at this price?
Tempting eventhough i want it in candy white
If the £19,999 is for a DSG ED 30 in Silver then it is the cheapest import ED 30 I have ever seen :shocked:
I would check it it out if I was you, could be a bargain (or even a misprice as DSG is usually £1000 extra)
Just make sure the car has been maunufactired recently, and has a recent PDI dated stamp in the service book. Your two year warranty starts from this PDI stamp date.
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ED30 will not be more than a year old anyway.
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does anyone have a manual or is DSG the way forward?
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DSG is most probably the way forward.
The only reason we have a manual is cos my mom dislikes auto boxes.
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....In my opinion DSG is most definitely the way forward - You can drive exactly like a manual except that you don't have to use your left foot and your wrist. It's the bset of both conventional automatic and manual world. :cool:
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Thanks, wasnt too sure what one to go for as i cant get a test drive of a Gti with the DSG box, went to the stealers yesterday, gave me a pretty good part exchange against the car, but didnt shift on the price of the car as they said that the discount was added in the part exhange! will give them a ring tommorow see if i can get them to shift slightly on the price
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