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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: hotrod on 23 January 2008, 09:33
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Hi gang,
Been following the site now for over a year and have found it very helpful, you can learn so much. I’ve been rolling around in a Golf 4-Motion V6 now for 6+ years and it’s been my best car ever. I’m hoping to change my car soon for either a new R32 or a GTI Edition 30. I’m told the order books are open again for the Ed 30 which is great news!
I guess there are positives and negatives on both cars, so I’m test driving them back-to-back this Saturday.
I’m drawn to the Ed 30 in white, especially if I could get the german black rims. The R32 feels like a pumped up version of my car with a great noise and 4-wheel drive security.
I know newbies have asked this question before, but which car do you think would make the best upgrade for me. Although I do not buy cars for investment purposes, which motor would be more desirable in 5/6 years come trade-in time?
Thanks for your advice buddies.
Hotrod (aka Steve)
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Both cars have very different characters, we have closed the issue on this forum as to which is best as there is no winner. They are both brilliant in their own way. As you as testing both back to back you are in pole position to decide on which one grabs you most. Personally I love the looks of the DBP R32, excellent traction and of course that V6 sound. Go drive both, take your time over it and decide which is best for you. The ED30 looks amazing in the white (be prepared to keep it clean though!)
The one thing I will say is that as you are used to the 4motion and the excellent grip in the wet or greasy roads you will miss that if you went for an ED30. In the GT 140 i issued to have unless the road was bone dry the lack of traction did my head in even in it. 230BHP through the front wheels in my opinion the power can only be put down best on a dry road hence my decision to opt for the R32.
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i came from the r32 to the ed30 and its the best move i made as its bloody awesome and in white :cool: :laugh: and the choice to have 350bhp easily is too tempting and is cheap to do.
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Yep I agree, I also came from an MK4 R32 and the Edition 30 is a much better car in my opinion, (not that I've driven the MK5), the Edition 30 is easy and cheap(ish) to remap, and even with 300bhp is still more economical than the R! Do miss the V6 soundtrack though, that was by far the best thing about it, always felt the R was underpowered and heavy/lazy compared to GTI. Traction is an issue to start with when you come from the 4 motion, but you soon learn how to put it down cleanly, even when its wet. Either way you'll end up with a cracking motor :cool:
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Get the R32... I am biased but I admit it openly! Its more down to your preference of driving type and if you will be doing any mods too i guess. :grin:
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Hi gang,
Been following the site now for over a year and have found it very helpful, you can learn so much. I’ve been rolling around in a Golf 4-Motion V6 now for 6+ years and it’s been my best car ever. I’m hoping to change my car soon for either a new R32 or a GTI Edition 30. I’m told the order books are open again for the Ed 30 which is great news!
I guess there are positives and negatives on both cars, so I’m test driving them back-to-back this Saturday.
I’m drawn to the Ed 30 in white, especially if I could get the german black rims. The R32 feels like a pumped up version of my car with a great noise and 4-wheel drive security.
I know newbies have asked this question before, but which car do you think would make the best upgrade for me. Although I do not buy cars for investment purposes, which motor would be more desirable in 5/6 years come trade-in time?
Thanks for your advice buddies.
Hotrod (aka Steve)
you are making the right choice with white E30 with black 18 Monzas. Get a hole in the roof, too. It adds some black to the top as well. Looks great, plus makes inside lighter.
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In terms of 5-6 years down the road, I think R32 will be more desirable. BUT, there is the price of oil to consider, taxes etc...
R32 is desirable in the sense that you can make it go like you would not believe, but that would require at least 13000 euro.
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Sorry Peskarik, I have to disagree on this one.
In 5 or 6 years time, if fuel and road tax keeps going in the direction it is, the R32 will be an unwanted proposition as very few people will be prepared to live with an average of 20mpg and the possible higher tax bandings that may come up in future.
Parkers is already showing that the R32 and ED30 will decline to roughly the same price over 3 years which means a larger drop from the more expensive R32
Putting economic and environmental issues aside, Both the ED30 and the R32 are great cars. Again my vote falls on the side of the ED30, both as a drivers car, and for the extra fun factor you can extract from it (especially after a remap :evil:). Don't get me wrong, the R32 is a good technical demonstration of how to build a great 4WD V6 motor - for me it is just a little too clinical and therefore not as much fun.
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I came from a highly modified Mk 4 R32 to an Edition 30 which I trest drove back to back with a MK 5 R32.
The R32 had more grunt all round and like my old Mk 4 the traction was unbelievable, it had a great sound to it and just seemed quicker in general. The Edition 30 seemed quicker off the mark and more torquey low down, and with a remap will be quicker than the R32. The R32 will need a lot of cash thrown at it to get the same power gains that the Edition 30 can get for £500 and to get a noticeable power increase.
I'm getting used to the FWD again and although I miss the 4WD of the R32 it's nice to be able to have a bit more control of the car myself rather than letting the car sort itself out for me.
Putting everything into perspective - initial outlay, running costs, tuning potential, future expenses (tax!) the Edition 30 was the better all-rounder for me but I do miss the R32 and will probably get another one in the future sometime. I've only had the Ed30 9 days though so I may speak differently of it when it's run in and I'm used to it and can drive it properly, but for the time being it's a good enough substitute for the R32.
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My ed30 took 5k miles before it was run in! Really goes now tho!
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I would say that the R32 is getting slightly faster too as it runs in, as well as improved mpg which is more than welcome! Like I have said on previous posts.. if I were putting my money into a car then it would be the ED30 no question about that.
But I have to say for me the R32 is the better all round car if your not concerned with things like tuning and remaps. The way it goes round corners, gets off the mark, and simply pi$$es over almost everything in the wet... how can I not love it??? With the addition of things like xenon's, 18" as standard, blue tinted glass, twin 3" exhausts, smoked rear lights, and a V6 growl which makes it the best sounding golf there has ever been!! The looks you get from people "in the know" also do help you know you made the right choice :wink:
I would also say look at the top gear r32 vs 130i bmw review on youtube, as well as the R32 v Gti review at the top of the board on this forum. Then make your decision :grin:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=30686.0
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=O9rFQPg0kbk&feature=related
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I owned a V6 4-Motion for three years and also loved it to bits. The only downside for me was the mediocre Mk IV chassis and the tiring noise at high motorway speeds due to the gearing.
Compared to the Mk IV's handling you are really going to enjoy the MK V, whether it's the R32 or ED30 :wink:
I now have an ED 30 and rate it far better than the V6 4-Motion. However I do miss the 4-motion drive, especially in the current weather and would love an R32 during these wet winter months. You really need to ask yourself how much you'll miss being able to catapult away from the lights/roundabouts, without giving a thought to front wheel traction :evil:
The other decision you need to consider is DSG or not ? :rolleyes:
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I came from a highly modified Mk 4 R32 to an Edition 30 which I trest drove back to back with a MK 5 R32.
The R32 had more grunt all round and like my old Mk 4 the traction was unbelievable, it had a great sound to it and just seemed quicker in general. The Edition 30 seemed quicker off the mark and more torquey low down, and with a remap will be quicker than the R32. The R32 will need a lot of cash thrown at it to get the same power gains that the Edition 30 can get for £500 and to get a noticeable power increase.
I'm getting used to the FWD again and although I miss the 4WD of the R32 it's nice to be able to have a bit more control of the car myself rather than letting the car sort itself out for me.
Putting everything into perspective - initial outlay, running costs, tuning potential, future expenses (tax!) the Edition 30 was the better all-rounder for me but I do miss the R32 and will probably get another one in the future sometime. I've only had the Ed30 9 days though so I may speak differently of it when it's run in and I'm used to it and can drive it properly, but for the time being it's a good enough substitute for the R32.
By April (once it starts drying up) you'll know you've made the right choice :nerd:
Then get it remapped :evil:
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I came from a highly modified Mk 4 R32 to an Edition 30 which I trest drove back to back with a MK 5 R32.
The R32 had more grunt all round and like my old Mk 4 the traction was unbelievable, it had a great sound to it and just seemed quicker in general. The Edition 30 seemed quicker off the mark and more torquey low down, and with a remap will be quicker than the R32. The R32 will need a lot of cash thrown at it to get the same power gains that the Edition 30 can get for £500 and to get a noticeable power increase.
I'm getting used to the FWD again and although I miss the 4WD of the R32 it's nice to be able to have a bit more control of the car myself rather than letting the car sort itself out for me.
Putting everything into perspective - initial outlay, running costs, tuning potential, future expenses (tax!) the Edition 30 was the better all-rounder for me but I do miss the R32 and will probably get another one in the future sometime. I've only had the Ed30 9 days though so I may speak differently of it when it's run in and I'm used to it and can drive it properly, but for the time being it's a good enough substitute for the R32.
By April (once it starts drying up) you'll know you've made the right choice :nerd:
Then get it remapped :evil:
If there is one thing you can rely on... its that it will still be pi$$ing it down in April, May & June as it was last year, the wettest year ever. I would say the chances of it being wetter this year are quite good too. but i guess there is no point in starting a weather debate either!!
So let me put it this way.. if you had to put your mortgage on if the roads are going to be wet at some point of your journey each day, what would you do?? :grin:
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I came from a highly modified Mk 4 R32 to an Edition 30 which I trest drove back to back with a MK 5 R32.
The R32 had more grunt all round and like my old Mk 4 the traction was unbelievable, it had a great sound to it and just seemed quicker in general. The Edition 30 seemed quicker off the mark and more torquey low down, and with a remap will be quicker than the R32. The R32 will need a lot of cash thrown at it to get the same power gains that the Edition 30 can get for £500 and to get a noticeable power increase.
I'm getting used to the FWD again and although I miss the 4WD of the R32 it's nice to be able to have a bit more control of the car myself rather than letting the car sort itself out for me.
Putting everything into perspective - initial outlay, running costs, tuning potential, future expenses (tax!) the Edition 30 was the better all-rounder for me but I do miss the R32 and will probably get another one in the future sometime. I've only had the Ed30 9 days though so I may speak differently of it when it's run in and I'm used to it and can drive it properly, but for the time being it's a good enough substitute for the R32.
By April (once it starts drying up) you'll know you've made the right choice :nerd:
Then get it remapped :evil:
If there is one thing you can rely on... its that it will still be pi$$ing it down in April, May & June as it was last year, the wettest year ever. I would say the chances of it being wetter this year are quite good too. but i guess there is no point in starting a weather debate either!!
So let me put it this way.. if you had to put your mortgage on if the roads are going to be wet at some point of your journey each day, what would you do?? :grin:
I'd take the chance!
Life would be boring otherwise :wink:
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I owned a V6 4-Motion for three years and also loved it to bits. The only downside for me was the mediocre Mk IV chassis and the tiring noise at high motorway speeds due to the gearing.
Compared to the Mk IV's handling you are really going to enjoy the MK V, whether it's the R32 or ED30 :wink:
I now have an ED 30 and rate it far better than the V6 4-Motion. However I do miss the 4-motion drive, especially in the current weather and would love an R32 during these wet winter months. You really need to ask yourself how much you'll miss being able to catapult away from the lights/roundabouts, without giving a thought to front wheel traction :evil:
The other decision you need to consider is DSG or not ? :rolleyes:
I would defo get a manual. I find the Mk IV chassis a little leaden, it goes well and bulldozes its way through, however its a blunt instrument. Fuel economy is bad 19-24. I once got 30mpg running at 60mph (no air con) driving like my dad. Trust me the new car will be driven enthusiastically as well! I need a fun, nimble car which I will want any excuse to take out. I tried the new Mini Cooper S and I loved it (thrashed it completely) but I couldn’t live with the looks or lack of space! The Ed 30 is looking like the favourite at the mo! :smiley:
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I owned a V6 4-Motion for three years and also loved it to bits. The only downside for me was the mediocre Mk IV chassis and the tiring noise at high motorway speeds due to the gearing.
Compared to the Mk IV's handling you are really going to enjoy the MK V, whether it's the R32 or ED30 :wink:
I now have an ED 30 and rate it far better than the V6 4-Motion. However I do miss the 4-motion drive, especially in the current weather and would love an R32 during these wet winter months. You really need to ask yourself how much you'll miss being able to catapult away from the lights/roundabouts, without giving a thought to front wheel traction :evil:
The other decision you need to consider is DSG or not ? :rolleyes:
I would defo get a manual. I find the Mk IV chassis a little leaden, it goes well and bulldozes its way through, however its a blunt instrument. Fuel economy is bad 19-24. I once got 30mpg running at 60mph (no air con) driving like my dad. Trust me the new car will be driven enthusiastically as well! I need a fun, nimble car which I will want any excuse to take out. I tried the new Mini Cooper S and I loved it (thrashed it completely) but I couldn’t live with the looks or lack of space! The Ed 30 is looking like the favourite at the mo! :smiley:
I would second that! Manual all the way... unless your part of the oldies club :lipsrsealed: Let us know how the test drives go!
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i would go for a manual as well although i have dsg
the ed30 felt to me quite a bit slower but it wasn't a long test drive, the alloys are nicer than on r32 but the seats and gearknob for me look pap............ :undecided:
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i would go for a manual as well although i have dsg
the ed30 felt to me quite a bit slower but it wasn't a long test drive, the alloys are nicer than on r32 but the seats and gearknob for me look pap............ :undecided:
so, why would you go for manual?
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Will do... although sadly I’m approaching the oldies club!
For your interest, I took out GTI & R32 a couple of years ago as was impressed with the R32, not quite so much with the GTI. Now the ED 30 is available again, the extra poke and detailing make it my fave at the mo (would have to be white). At that time I put a deposit down on a blue R32 after my test drive, but 2-weeks later cancelled... I just wasn’t turned on by the styling. Recently I borrowed a diesel Sport and was impressed by the build & performance, it seems leagues ahead of the earlier models I tested. Maybe VW have upped the ante on the quality side?
Also with the advent of those ace LEDs I’m reading about on this forum, my decision to purchase a new Golf is suddenly becoming an easy choice.
I will post my feedback next week after my extended test drives.
Cheers evryone... great forum... great feedback :cool: