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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Manu_R32 on 04 January 2008, 13:25
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So looks like the new GTI will have the 230 HP Engine from the ED30 and the R32 will have a 3.2 265 HP Petrol Engine...
http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080103.009/artist-rendering-of-vw-golf-vi-gti
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i hate it :angry:
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Pointless... I've already got my Mk6 GTI :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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that looks rough :sick:
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And due later this year, NOT 2009 as originally planned :sick:
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Hope that is what it looks like. Keep the residuals high on my one :smiley:
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Hope that is what it looks like. Keep the residuals high on my one :smiley:
very very true!! that is rather nasty on the eye!!! :shocked:
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The GTi will get even more power than the current model with an engine delivering 230 hp, and an even hotter 4Motion performance edition along the lines of the current R32 producing 265 hp following later.
4wd.. wondered if thet would
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....The body styling of this Mk6 looks utterly boring. At this stage it's probably all speculation. However, I hope it does stay looking dull - I won't want one!!
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"computer artists have digitally lifted the camouflage from the next generation Golf VI. While they were at it, also decided to make it more interesting as a GTi model. Works for us."
So these images of the Mk6 GTi have been made by computer artists based on these spy shots of a non-GTi?
So it may actually look nothing like that? :undecided:
Looks much like speculation to me as well
But at the moment, its not looking too great :sad:
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wish i had a fiver for every MK6 thread that was posted :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
though if it looks anything like that even residuals on MKIV's will stay fairly high :laugh: :laugh:
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An open letter:
Dear Volkswagen,
If your next version of Golf looks *anything* like this picture, then the car you're delivering to me next month will be the last Golf I buy for a while.
Love and kisses,
An Edition 30 orderer.
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Seriously, part of me hopes it's a pig ugly bloatmobile (for high residuals) and part hopes that VW haven't cut off my plans of upgrading to the next model in good time.
So many ugly hatches around in the midsize sector. The golf gti was the only one I liked the look of, even before weighing up other factors. (The new Pug 308 is even uglier than the bland bubble it replaced).
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I wonder how many people made negative comments about the mkV when i was first released???
i know i did :undecided:
Lets just wait till the official pictures are released.. and the reviews have been done. You can bet your bottom dollar that VW dare not mess this one up, the Golf mkV has been a phenominal product for them... they are simply everywhere regardless of their premium price over other cars in its class.
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From what I have read in the motoring press and from a friend who works at dealer near me, the current "glass house" i.e the top section of the Golf including the window lines and shape of windscreen and postion is carried over in Mk6. VW dealers are apprently not expecting Mk 6 until early 2009, with GTI end of that year or early 2010.
Sheet metal pressing /tooling at VW factories now has to cover two model generations, so it has to cover Mk5 and Mk6, so contary to belief I bet it will not look anything like that picture above because that would require different metal pressing. I think we can safely say it will not look to dis-similar to the Mk5.
It will not be a completley new car like the Mk5 was over the Mk4, more of a Mk5 1/2. The aim is to produce a more profitable car per unit, not replace the model completly. So that would generally mean quality will be a step down as they will be making it at a price for the mk6, like Astra, Focus and 1 Series. :cry:
The chassis and most componets will be the same, including the engines (apart from new TDIs with common rails), it will just all be made abit cheaper...........but at the same VW list price! :angry:
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They want to sack that computer artist :wink:
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....I think it was you, Snoopy, who in another forum pointed out that making a car production line more profitable doesn't necessarily compromise the end product's quality - It gains profitability by improving manufacturing efficiency.
Such a dull and boring design speculation! Mind you, the Mk5 GTI/Ed30 will be a hard act to follow!
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Im actually liking that fiat stilo fold along its side (deleted by idiot computer stylist on above photos). From the window line up its the same car but then it will be :wink: . I do find the 3door mk5 bland and this new line (as it did the fiat) helps it look less eurobox designed by commite look. The front well i wait and see. :wink: I remember all the speculation about the mk5 GTI look and the 'artist impressions' back then and all the mk4 boys complaining. :grin:
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I think whatever happens Volkswagen know what there doing, I am sure the MkVI GTI/R32 will be just as appealing as the MkV models :smiley:
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agree with that, the intitial change is what we dont like but once we become acustom to the mk6 most will like it.but you wont see a mk6 Gti for some time 2009 at the earliest.
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agree with that, the intitial change is what we dont like but once we become acustom to the mk6 most will like it.but you wont see a mk6 Gti for some time 2009 at the earliest.
Good Ive only just got mine dont want it to be outdated to soon!
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I agree with what pulp says.
Even if the MKVI did end up with supermodel looks I still wouldn't buy one. Why?
1. It is based on the same chassis and suspension as the MKV
2. Even if the GTI has 230bhp, it will still have less power than mine
3. Mine is "allgedly" a limited edition version
4. "Built cheaper" than the MKV = poorer quality and less detailing than the MKV.
5. By 2010 when the GTI version is being touted as coming out, the rest of it's competitors will have moved the game on too. This means I may end up with another make of german car as well as keeping the ED30.
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I agree with what pulp says.
Even if the MKVI did end up with supermodel looks I still wouldn't buy one. Why?
1. It is based on the same chassis and suspension as the MKV
2. Even if the GTI has 230bhp, it will still have less power than mine
3. Mine is "allgedly" a limited edition version
4. "Built cheaper" than the MKV = poorer quality and less detailing than the MKV.
5. By 2010 when the GTI version is being touted as coming out, the rest of it's competitors will have moved the game on too. This means I may end up with another make of german car as well as keeping the ED30.
Amen to everything you said Hurdy.... The Mk6 GTI will only be good for those who missed out on the Mk5. After 5/6 years of only driving Golf GTI/VR6/R32's... I'll be keeping my mint 38k mileage Mk1 GTI, Mk5 Ed30 and will get a different car. Maybe a Phateon as a sensible family saloon :tongue: :tongue: or I might just invest and recycle my money going through a series of performance cars like the Porsche 911, Ferrari F355 and the new Nissan GT-R which looks and sounds stunning( :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:) Oh and I'll always be on the lookout for a mint low mileage Mk2 GTI 16v.
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4. "Built cheaper" than the MKV = poorer quality and less detailing than the MKV.
I really wish people would understand about design and mass manufacturing. Cheaper to build does NOT need to meen poorer quality at all. If people only knew how screwed up VWs departmental structure was when the mk5 was designed then launched they would understand how after restructuring getting the design and manufacturing departments to work together can make things much simpler, quicker and cheaper to build but also improve quality in the process.
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4. "Built cheaper" than the MKV = poorer quality and less detailing than the MKV.
I really wish people would understand about design and mass manufacturing. Cheaper to build does NOT need to meen poorer quality at all. If people only knew how screwed up VWs departmental structure was when the mk5 was designed then launched they would understand how after restructuring getting the design and manufacturing departments to work together can make things much simpler, quicker and cheaper to build but also improve quality in the process.
Maybe... but maybe not. At any rate, I won't be buying a 2nd generation Mk5 :grin: :grin:
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4. "Built cheaper" than the MKV = poorer quality and less detailing than the MKV.
I really wish people would understand about design and mass manufacturing. Cheaper to build does NOT need to meen poorer quality at all. If people only knew how screwed up VWs departmental structure was when the mk5 was designed then launched they would understand how after restructuring getting the design and manufacturing departments to work together can make things much simpler, quicker and cheaper to build but also improve quality in the process.
I work in "mass manufacturing" and partly agree with what you say. When manufacturers mention "simplifying the manufacturing process" they do mean "it's costing us a fortune - how can we make it simpler, cheaper and easier to manufacture?" hence my comment about less detailing. Detailing equates to more complex, expensive tooling and development times, which in turn costs more. Cheaper invariably equates to a multitude of considerations which some will include:-
Thinner (but more hardwearing) plastics = worse looking and feeling trim.
Less finishing details = leaving screw heads etc uncovered.
Lighter bodywork = thinner gauge metal/plastics = more prone to damage that will cost the end user - but still looks okay even though it may not last as long.
I could go on ad infinitum. I do have to give VW the benefit of the doubt until the MKVI does launch, however I stand by what I say and would be prepared to be pleasantly suprised if they pull it off :undecided:
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They could also meen though. Fixing the door design and hinge design thats totally floored and VW bosses have publically stated cannot be assembled perfectly on a mass production line scale to high standards and also fixing other problems with said door design. They have also stated that cerain parts of the suspension has lots of small components that need assembling to exact tolerances that could be replaced by a single components that would perform the job to just as high standards be far easier to assemble and due to less assembly points higher build quality will result and so make it cheaper. They have also stated a few of the reasons the mk6 went back to the drawingboard was that they wanted to improve interior quality on the prototype and how the current boss was not happy with the drop of quality between the mk4 to mk5 and wants to address this with the mk6 and other reason it went back was the current door rubbers were not to a high enough standard in both fixing and design.
Most of these design corrections are due to the way VW departments were structured and how the production department had little to do with the design/engineering departments until it had all been approved. The place was a mess according to people i know who work there.
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They could also meen though. Fixing the door design and hinge design thats totally floored and VW bosses have publically stated cannot be assembled perfectly on a mass production line scale to high standards and also fixing other problems with said door design. They have also stated that cerain parts of the suspension has lots of small components that need assembling to exact tolerances that could be replaced by a single components that would perform the job to just as high standards be far easier to assemble and due to less assembly points higher build quality will result and so make it cheaper. They have also stated a few of the reasons the mk6 went back to the drawingboard was that they wanted to improve interior quality on the prototype and how the current boss was not happy with the drop of quality between the mk4 to mk5 and wants to address this with the mk6 and other reason it went back was the current door rubbers were not to a high enough standard in both fixing and design.
Most of these design corrections are due to the way VW departments were structured and how the production department had little to do with the design/engineering departments until it had all been approved. The place was a mess according to people i know who work there.
I guess we'll just have to see :undecided:
Would you put a fiver on quality and engineering being better on the MKVI?
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it looks a sad site of the mk6 gti, it doesnt look anything as good as the mk5 :sick: tis a sad day!
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I cant see that being the final version of it. Other wise oh dear.
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Hi All,
I'm about to import a Mk5 GTI but am hesitating due the the Mk6 coming out in a year or so. I'm still tempted to go ahead and import a Mk5 as I've heard the next genration will have 10% cheaper manufacturing costs. Lower quality springs to mind?
What would you do?
Any help would be appreciated...
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Hi All,
I'm about to import a Mk5 GTI but am hesitating due the the Mk6 coming out in a year or so. I'm still tempted to go ahead and import a Mk5 as I've heard the next genration will have 10% cheaper manufacturing costs. Lower quality springs to mind?
What would you do?
Any help would be appreciated...
go get a mk 5!
you wont be sorry
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Reports suggest that the earliest the UK would get the Mk6 GTI would be late 2009/2010. It's always wise to allow a year for any teething problems a new model might have or for decent updates to it. Therefore you're looking at 2011 - 3 years from now.
There's always a new model on the horizon whenever you choose to buy.
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lets hope simplifying the suspension doesn't mean fitting a beamed rear suspension like they've done on the type r :sick:
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Reports suggest that the earliest the UK would get the Mk6 GTI would be late 2009/2010. It's always wise to allow a year for any teething problems a new model might have or for decent updates to it. Therefore you're looking at 2011 - 3 years from now.
There's always a new model on the horizon whenever you choose to buy.
Thats why i lease! no worries about this sort of thing.. and you get a new car every 2 yrs :evil:
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If thats what the next Golf looks like, they are on a looser. For those worried about the MK5 GTi becoming obsolete, there is always the facelift Focus ST or the forthcoming 2009 Leon Cupra with the bespoke body kit :cool:
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Im sorry to say this but it looks like a Corsa/Punto!! flood gates open...... :sick:
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what we do know about this car is that it is being built to a price more than the Mk V.
I think im right in saying that most people would agree that the Mk V was a "step down" in quality of materials in parts of the cabin.
I have read that alot of the cost saviings is coming from making the suspension simpler to build and how the car will be put together on the production line.
Apparently VW make £1000 less per car due to the higher complexity over its key rivals (Astra and focus). I just cant see it being radically different to the current mk V apart from the outer skin, a newer design of dashboard, more toys (better sat nav, DAB radio etc etc). Its very much like the last 3 series when it was facelifted in 2001/2002. It was pretty much the same car, but more refined looking, better dashboard, better equipment and some small changes under the skin. It wasnt a whole new car like the Current one is that when the 3 series was replaced in 2005..............