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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: gazbutmk5gti on 29 December 2007, 15:21
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Just been outside freezin me b*lls off fitting the Carbonio intake and filter to the ED30, and it looks the b*ll*cks, not sure about any noticeable difference in performance although the pick-up does seem crisper, the weathers not really up to performance testing.
What I can say is that engine cover is a pain in the backside to remove and refit, when I remove it I'm always scared I'm gonna break something you have to pull it that hard to shift it, and then lining all the grommets up when you push it back on is tricky, specially when your loosing any patience you had cos you fingers are numb with cold
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Where can I get this Cabrinio intake?
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Got mine from Awesome in Manchester, they have online shopping on their website www.awesome-gti.co.uk. They had a few in stock last week.
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looks great, but doesnt make any difference at all.
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any figures to back that up
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i have mate to be honest, i dont need to back it up ive paid good money, im not slagging it off i was hoping it would help, i lost 4bhp after intake fitted, powerzone RR, intake will be up for sale after xmas, cheeres stan, awesome said standard breathing is very good, but it does look good under the bonnet,
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Just been outside freezin me b*lls off fitting the Carbonio intake and filter to the ED30, and it looks the b*ll*cks, not sure about any noticeable difference in performance although the pick-up does seem crisper, the weathers not really up to performance testing.
What I can say is that engine cover is a pain in the backside to remove and refit, when I remove it I'm always scared I'm gonna break something you have to pull it that hard to shift it, and then lining all the grommets up when you push it back on is tricky, specially when your loosing any patience you had cos you fingers are numb with cold
Have you noticed any difference in sound at all ??
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Interesting that Stan says he actually lost 4bhp.
I wish I had managed to get an inbetween RR now - with the remap done, but before and after the Carbonio.
Having said that 4bhp loss is nothing when balancing it against looks. The standard intake looks :sick:
The Carbonio looks :drool:
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Having said that 4bhp loss is nothing when balancing it against looks.
Cmon Hurdy , yeah it looks supreme , yes I want one.
But if it does loose hp then I dont care how good it looks! :cry:
Whether thats real hp or varied rr loss hp who knows.
Time to trawl web for dyno plots me thinks...
'looks for carbon fibre film to cover OE box as a backup plan' :laugh:
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i have mate to be honest, i dont need to back it up ive paid good money, im not slagging it off i was hoping it would help, i lost 4bhp after intake fitted, powerzone RR, intake will be up for sale after xmas, cheeres stan, awesome said standard breathing is very good, but it does look good under the bonnet,
No worries pal, I wasn't gettin on my high horse, I'm not sure about the results from the intake yet either, although I will say I've seen 6hp difference between back to back runs on the rollers with no changes to the car what so ever so 4hp isn't much either way.
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Having said that 4bhp loss is nothing when balancing it against looks.
Cmon Hurdy , yeah it looks supreme , yes I want one.
But if it does loose hp then I dont care how good it looks! :cry:
Whether thats real hp or varied rr loss hp who knows.
Time to trawl web for dyno plots me thinks...
'looks for carbon fibre film to cover OE box as a backup plan' :laugh:
I'm in denial :rolleyes: :lipsrsealed:
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I am not doubting for a second about the m4bhp loss, but I have to wonder about this.
The standard air intake at the grille splits the opening so half the air in to the intake goes to the engine bay and half in to the intake. All the Carbonio does is let all the air flow straight in to the intake and away from the engine bay, and the panel filter allows more air in as well.
I have a Carbonio on my car as well, and there is no real difference in sound, but I would be very surprised if the kit actually made the car lose power as it does not change the routing of the air flow other than the fect there is no longer air getting in to the engine bay through the slot on the OEM air feed at the grille.
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My feelings went more with the panel filter. It is supposed to allow a higher air flow through it and as such would give an increase (although small) even if you used it with the standard intake. With the Carbonio fitted too, are we saying that the car loses any benefit of a higher flow air filter and then loses an extra 4bhp too? :undecided:
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Does anybody know if there's any difference between oettinger's ram air intake and carbonio's intake, I was on oettinger's website last night and it looks like they just look exactly the same but with different stickers??
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Just as you say Tom, there exactly the same just badged different
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is there any diff in the price of the 2?
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Had a chance to give the car a good run today and a think there is a deffinate improvement in throttle response it feels much crisper and more responsive with the Carbonio, maybe the intake on its own doesn't make much difference, but when the car is remapped and the demand for more air is present gains are to be found. This could also be down to the fact I was using a standard panel filter before.
Also I haven't driven the car for a week so it felt awesome.
If anybody wants a K&N panel filter that I took out of the old Gti at a good price let me know, just never got round to fitting it and as you get a filter with the intake its going spare. It has only done about 3000 miles and comes complete with box
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a quick trawl of the US golfmkv threw up some interesting info which I will try to summarise.
1. all currently available air filter kits give little or no power increases.
This is hotly disputed by various sides , where some claim big gains.
2. EVOMS filter has quality issues but appears to be most popular + biggest gain
3. Many love the Carbonio , basically an enhanced OE design. But I only found one dyno plot showing +4 bhp
4. The consensus (whether its backed by hearsa or fact !) is that
EVOMS is best for high rpm gains , Carbonio 'may' improve the lower rpm better.
5. APR stopped selling Carb intake as part of an upgrade kit , which could either be cost cutting or that its not reqd. you decide!
so I guess if you like it , buy it but dont expect lots of horses.
Maybe a modified OE box would be better.
As Gaz states at higher levels of tune this may change demands.
However that would mean back to back runs @ Awesome , which commonly doesnt happen .
As I know that if Im going to go there, I plan to get a few things done together so its hard to isolate the hp per component differences.
JohnO
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Does your ED30 have an engine cover underneath then? :huh:
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not sure what your asking there pal
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I meant like a sumpguard/underpan type thing
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Yes ED30 has an engine undertray just like the other mk5 Gti's and the rest of the mk5 range at a guess
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hahahaha was going to order one later when i get home but have been put of a bit now :embarassed:
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My understanding is that the Carbonio is only going to show some gains in conjunction with a remap. It does sharpen throttle response and torque slightly in my experience.
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You're making me feel better for getting one now RR
(http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc89/bluepepper2007/THUMB_11.gif)
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HAPPY NEW YEAR!! by the way!
As others have already posted here, air intakes generally don't represent great value for money but it's how the various mods work together. The efficiencies of air in and exhaust gases out etc.
The EVO is rated well for measurable gains but sounds 'orribly raspy.