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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Hurdy on 27 December 2007, 15:53
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Anyone thinking of some mods for 2008 and if so, what?
I've just ordered the Full Milltek syatem and the Forge DV :cool: so hopefully I'll get something approaching 300bhp :evil: or even over :undecided:
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I'll be looking at getting the down pipe and cat, just hope it can be fitted to an original gti cat back milltek system. Will get DV too, thinking about changin out my eibach dampers for some koni fsd's. Oh and big brakes
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I'll be looking at getting the down pipe and cat, just hope it can be fitted to an original gti cat back milltek system. Will get DV too, thinking about changin out my eibach dampers for some koni fsd's. Oh and big brakes
Have you had a rolling road done on your car yet to see what you are currently getting?
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Just got the first load of bits for my Mk1 Cab so work on that will get going in the next week or so.
updated the thread here ----> http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=72012.10
and the process for getting the wheels made for that has started. Once the mechanical and chassis bits are sorted I can concentrate on the bodywork and hood. Will be a very low and wide mk1 on Beetle steelies.
For the Mk5 its going to be fine tuning now the bulk of the work has been done:
Eibach coilovers and BBS LM's will be going on.
replace all the turbo plumbing to get rid of the final bottleneck and release a few more bhp.
R32 rear lights
OSIR Carbon Fibre Engine Cover.
OSIR Opod and Defi Link Gauges.
Depending on how the brakes behave, may go for the AP setup.
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ooo more pressies :smiley:
I reckon you gotta be well over 300+ with APR + full milltek
djhorace's comments on milltek power claims are hopefully conservative , plus i reckon the way it effects spool up will be awesome :cool:
for me 2008 means
Fit OSIR gauge pod+DEFI guage I have sitting in the computer room !
APR remap + cc fitting @ AwesomeGTI
reckon I will wait til my std DV fails before fitting Forge at the mo
After that full milltek , if funds allow
JohnO
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19 inch Black OZ Ultraleggeras
KW V3 coilovers
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djhorace's comments on milltek power claims are hopefully conservative , plus i reckon the way it effects spool up will be awesome :cool:
Which system are you lads opting for? 3" downpipe or 2.75" downpipe?
My 11bhp gain figure comes from my own test - its not Millteks claim. Only other difference on the car was a carbonio with the Milltek.
I am going to see how the standard dv fairs with time before I decide what I am to do with it. I know a few lads with the TFSi still on stock DV's even with remaps. I think that the likes of Forge scare people in to parting with their dosh for something that "might" be needed. You are not going to get a performance gain from a DV anyway.
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My first mod will be arrival of my TR R32! Then i have ordered the rear diffuser in Carbon Fibre from www.osirdesign.com and seen quite a few interesting things on VWVortex....but the thing is im not to good with my hands to do this...have a look and if u could help, i would really appreciate it....
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3467932
Think it looks alot better as it doesnt stand out as much as normal chrome and blends quite well with the front bumper :)
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started my secret saving fund :wink:
looking @ a GIAC switchable map, Milltek system of sorts & carbonio intake and that should do me.
Oh i someit so operate my ipod other than that shyt vw connector.
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I know of a good Milltek downpipe :wink:
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Nah not rolling roaded the car yet Hurdy. May do it soon at awesome. But i know if the power is crap from the bluefin, i'd end up spending another 500 quid on the APR custom map, something i'm not willing to do, but will if i'm within easy access of :smiley:
Kev
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Which system are you lads opting for? 3" downpipe or 2.75" downpipe?
My 11bhp gain figure comes from my own test - its not Millteks claim. Only other difference on the car was a carbonio with the Milltek.
I am going to see how the standard dv fairs with time before I decide what I am to do with it.
bigger isnt always better ! Which do you recommend? dont want to slow gas flow too much which can happen if you follow the 'bigger is better' rule. Although for a K04 turbo I reckon 3" would be better but no concrete evidence to follow as yet
would expect bigger gains with a remap tbh , as std I guess the exhaust isnt a restrictive component but once at 300bhp maybe it is? Interested to learn the restrictive bits on the ED30 engine at which power levels.
DV I agree totally.
cheers
JohnO
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Which system are you lads opting for? 3" downpipe or 2.75" downpipe?
My 11bhp gain figure comes from my own test - its not Millteks claim. Only other difference on the car was a carbonio with the Milltek.
I am going to see how the standard dv fairs with time before I decide what I am to do with it.
bigger isnt always better ! Which do you recommend? dont want to slow gas flow too much which can happen if you follow the 'bigger is better' rule. Although for a K04 turbo I reckon 3" would be better but no concrete evidence to follow as yet
would expect bigger gains with a remap tbh , as std I guess the exhaust isnt a restrictive component but once at 300bhp maybe it is? Interested to learn the restrictive bits on the ED30 engine at which power levels.
DV I agree totally.
cheers
JohnO
I actually bought a 2.75" Milltek Downpipe (which is for sale by the way) but opted for the 3" as Milltek gave me a deal on it with my car being the test mule. The guy at Milltek did say however that his brothers TT runs 400bhp on a 2.75" system and that there is no need for the 3" downpipe.
I cannot recommend one over the other as I have no experience of the 2.75" unit on my car, but the Milltek guys did say the 3" downpipe was better on a mapped S3 over the 2.75" unit, but then the 3" is likely to cost a couple of hundred £Â£'s more - read in to that what you will.
The 3" is less likely to improve torque vs the 2.75" on an unmapped car (my car was proof of that as it was r/r tested before and after having the exhaust fitted), but as was suggested, when the car is mapped, this could change. I cannot confirm this one way or another.
Restrictive parts on the Ed30/Cupra and the regular 2.0TFSi's for that matter is the intercooler. As I understand it, the S3 intercooler fits into the aforementioned cars with the S3 pipework. There is a guy doing it in early new year, hopefully with a report back as to confirm that it does work. As the core is 1.5cm thicker, it is estimated that that it has 40% better cooling capacity. As the Ed30/Cupra have a bigger turbo than the GTi/FR but use the same intercooler, the bigger intercooler should help maintain power levels. With the S3 intercooler and pipework only costing £200 from an Audi dealer and sharing a part number with the intercooler on the GTi/ED30/FR/Cupra except for the - letter at the end, it is a good stealthy upgrade which the stealers are unlikely to notice, and it is a lot cheaper than the overpriced aftermarket units.
The airflow in to the engine on the Ed30/Cupra/FR/GTi is crap too - The plastic engine cover does not make for smooth airflow in.
The other limiting factor is the amount of fuel the engine can muster. Revo and Custom Code are developing ways more fuel can be added to the engine as it has been suggested that closer to 350bhp could be attained on the Ed30/Cupra on the standard turbo. The extra fuel may be delivered by a currently being developed additional fuel pump. One of my mates with a Cupra will probably have his car used to develop this.
One way or another, the Ed30/Cupra have the following likely outputs with the following mods.
Standard - Most cars are making 15-20bhp over standard on rolling roads - ie 230PS = 245bhp
Turbo Back Exhaust and intake kit - Approx 10-15bhp extra
Remap alone - Expect output to increase to around 300bhp
Remap, exhaust, filter - Expect 320bhp
Remap, exhaust, filter and intercooler - Possible adjustment to map could see 330bhp
Remap, exhaust, filter, uprated fuelling and intercooler - Possible 340-350bhp
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nice informative writeup thanks , all of which matches what i have read elsewhere.
I have seen the 'interesting' banter over on the US forums about fuel pump mods etc
Hurdy sorry for the thread hijack. :evil:
C'mon people tell us your planned 2008 mods , or are we all still away from the PC ?!?
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I am planning a couple of exterior modifications to my car - OEM of course :smiley:
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Anyone worrier about the effect of the mods on the resale value????
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Nope. They can all be removed and sold separately - The car is worth more without them, and you can recoup some of the cost by selling the mods separately too.
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Nope. They can all be removed and sold separately - The car is worth more without them, and you can recoup some of the cost by selling the mods separately too.
Snap,
I've kept all my OEM parts and have an RCD 300 to replace the sat nav come selling time :wink:
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This is what the Milltek with 3" downpipe and non-resonated centre section sounds like on an untuned car :smiley:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXIy4pQjfMc
It sounds different on the road though :huh:
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oo can def tell the fruity tone once it gets higher up the range :-)
also raises the issue that if you are buying a 2nd hand ED30 (or GTI for that matter) to look for signs of tuning parts having been removed!
I have no idea how you would do that for a remap though , apart from the usual worn tyres etc
Hopefully milltek will have some dyno plots soon too.
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oo can def tell the fruity tone once it gets higher up the range :-)
also raises the issue that if you are buying a 2nd hand ED30 (or GTI for that matter) to look for signs of tuning parts having been removed!
I have no idea how you would do that for a remap though , apart from the usual worn tyres etc
Hopefully milltek will have some dyno plots soon too.
You would probably not notice to be honest. Tyres would be no giveaway. A connecting slip over the exhaust, yes. A map - well unless it is left on the car - probably not. I had a switchable map on my last car and switched it off come trade in time. I still have the box in my house to reactivate it!
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Anyone thinking of some mods for 2008 and if so, what?
I've just ordered the Full Milltek syatem and the Forge DV :cool: so hopefully I'll get something approaching 300bhp :evil: or even over :undecided:
First of all is getting my ed30, the wait is almost over now I am expecting delivery in a couple of weeks. I have had so many cases of (I Wish I Had It Know!!!). There was a guy on the motorway this morning in an r32, I was in my mums Gt Sport 140, he kept letting me get close and then booting it leaving me for dead! :cry: I thought to myself, I wonder what would have happened if I had the ed30.
Anyway moving on from that mods. First Im gonna run her in, then APR intercooler, Carbonio Intake, full Milltek System and an APR switcheable map. That should get me smiling a bit :grin:
I think the eibach coilovers and ARB's are also on the cards, plus maybe some brakes, I fancy the ECS stage 5 kit front and rear and maybe some 19inch BBS Ck's in anthracite :laugh:
Looking at that list there I got a bit carried away, these are the mods for 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 and so on!! It will cost a fortune!!
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ECS stage 5 front AND rear. Bl00dy hell mate, you planning on competition spec or something :shocked:
Those brakes are lifted off the front of a 2.3ton Cayenne and only have them on the front. Realistically it would be a rare occasion when you needed to use the extra power of just the front brakes let alone the rears.
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Oettinger intercooler is bigger than APR intercooler mate and remarkably similar to VAG's own intercooler for the S3 :wink:
I find that the R32 brakes on the Cupra are plenty powerful enough to stop my chariot on the road.
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Oettinger intercooler is bigger than APR intercooler mate and remarkably similar to VAG's own intercooler for the S3 :wink:
I find that the R32 brakes on the Cupra are plenty powerful enough to stop my chariot on the road.
I dont know much about oettinger, I have only heard good things about APR and surely the oettinger one cant be that much bigger. I have got the discs, carriers, calipers off a MK5 R32 front and rear in my garage, they have been powdercoated red too, I got them for my old car but they never got put on. Does anyone know if these would fit on the ed30?? It would save me a lot of money. :wink:
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Yes pal they'll fit straight on
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Oettinger intercooler is bigger than APR intercooler mate and remarkably similar to VAG's own intercooler for the S3 :wink:
I find that the R32 brakes on the Cupra are plenty powerful enough to stop my chariot on the road.
I dont know much about oettinger, I have only heard good things about APR and surely the oettinger one cant be that much bigger. I have got the discs, carriers, calipers off a MK5 R32 front and rear in my garage, they have been powdercoated red too, I got them for my old car but they never got put on. Does anyone know if these would fit on the ed30?? It would save me a lot of money. :wink:
They are standard fit on the MK2 Leon Cupra so they should fit no problem :smiley:
I heard that the S3 uses 4 pots rather than the R32 brakes though.
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Would the R32 brakes be an improvement on the standard ed30 brakes and capable of handling 300 bhp ?? I dont know much about them apart from the discs being absolutely huge! :rolleyes:
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The discs are bigger in diameter and width and are designed to stop a heavier car so there would be an improvement in stopping power
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Would the R32 brakes be an improvement on the standard ed30 brakes and capable of handling 300 bhp ?? I dont know much about them apart from the discs being absolutely huge! :rolleyes:
They are well up to the job mate. Trust me :smiley:
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Would the R32 brakes be an improvement on the standard ed30 brakes and capable of handling 300 bhp ?? I dont know much about them apart from the discs being absolutely huge! :rolleyes:
They are well up to the job mate. Trust me :smiley:
Good good. That will be the first mod then :smiley:
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Gotta love you Ed30 owners... first you say the r32 is over priced then you start to slowy nick bits off it... and spend loads on mods :grin: :grin:
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Gotta love you Ed30 owners... first you say the r32 is over priced then you start to slowy nick bits off it... and spend loads on mods :grin: :grin:
Oi... :angry: Now where can I get my remap, R32 brakes, R32 rear end :drool:
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Who says it is overpriced?
Not me. I could have bought an R32 for roughly the same money as i bought the ED30 for.
I simply liked the looks of the ED30 over the R32 up front. If the R32 had the same kind of front as the ED30 then maybe things would have been different. Perhaps it is a mod that all R32 owners should have :rolleyes: :lipsrsealed:
I think mods to cars are as much to do with having something that the owner knows is a little bit different to everyone else. In some ways what women say about cars being an extension of a mans dangly bits isn't far off the mark. Although I would have to draw the line at the bigger your car is the smaller your d1ck is. Some people just like their extension to be "slighlty different" to others :laugh:
If I keep my mods under the bonnet and out of sight, then I suppose my "extension" looks normal, but delivers more thrust :grin:
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Gotta love you Ed30 owners... first you say the r32 is over priced then you start to slowy nick bits off it... and spend loads on mods :grin: :grin:
I too could have had a very nice R32 for the money paid for my ed30. I chose not to buy one due to the lack of tuneability without spending stupid money i.e turbo conversion. I dont think the R32 is overpriced I think it is good value for money!
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Gotta love you Ed30 owners... first you say the r32 is over priced then you start to slowy nick bits off it... and spend loads on mods :grin: :grin:
I too could have had a very nice R32 for the money paid for my ed30. I chose not to buy one due to the lack of tuneability without spending stupid money i.e turbo conversion. I dont think the R32 is overpriced I think it is good value for money!
Absolutely agree.
If you look at all the other manufacturers out there, there simply isn't a single one which can make a similar specced car with the same desirability and quality as the R32 (or ED30 for that matter) :cool: at the same price mark.
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Cant argue with the tuning possibilities of the Ed30. It simply undercuts the R32! i dont think its over priced of course, i have been looking/thinking about all the extra bits you get on the R32 and to be honest i dont think VW will make much more on an R32 than they will any other Gti (dont know this for certain of course).
But overall i like the subtle little bits extra you get for the money... and well.. if you do have an extra 15k buring a hole in your pocket, then go visit the people at HPA! :evil:
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my mod for 2008 is to trade in the GTI for a R32 :smiley:
If that fails then trade it in for an ED30.
Better get saving :tongue:
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my mod for 2008 is to trade in the GTI for a R32 :smiley:
If that fails then trade it in for an ED30.
Better get saving :tongue:
Sounds like quite a mission.....best of luck!