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General => Car audio => Topic started by: BSCR on 27 December 2007, 15:53
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Hey, sorry if this is a common question, but i cant find my answer via the search
My rear 6X4's are dead and im looking to replace them - so any recommendations?
At the same time as replacing those im thinking of doing the fronts,
So my question is do i buy component or co-axial?
also, im going to be gettin a sub - or 2 in my boot, want to custom build a box and prob go the false floor route, so would this then make my 6X4's redundant/pointless?
Cheers guys, any help, links or advice welcome?
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components up front, sub in the back, done. :)
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i had a feeling that would be the answer. :smiley:
anybody had any experience with this company http://www.caraudiodesign.co.uk/index.php/cName/525-13cm-speakers-component
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http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/ or http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/home.html are my favourites :)
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Anybody had any experience of FLI Audio? it keeps grabbing my attention?
iv got this headunit - http://www.kenwood-electronics.co.uk/products/car/cd_receivers/KDC-W3037A/
it was my xmas present from my dad, i love it.
Would it be sufficent to drive componants such as - http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/5018.html
or would i need a seperate amplifier?
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it will run them fine, i would be more tempted to a 'recognised' make, so for the same money, these:
http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/3828.html
:)
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components up front, sub in the back, done. :)
DEFINATELY!! :smiley:
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Id put something in the back. My mates got 2 door speakers in the front of his car and a sub in the boot. The sub drains out all the music when in the back so you can't hear anything but bass :sad: Might be what some people like but i prefer to hear the song with added bass than just bass :smiley:
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Id put something in the back. My mates got 2 door speakers in the front of his car and a sub in the boot. The sub drains out all the music when in the back so you can't hear anything but bass :sad: Might be what some people like but i prefer to hear the song with added bass than just bass :smiley:
Well, don't sit in the back then!
Seriously, if you are the driver, and you're paying for the speakers, then definitely front components (amped of course), and a sub in the boot.
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Well, don't sit in the back then!
Seriously, if you are the driver, and you're paying for the speakers, then definitely front components (amped of course), and a sub in the boot.
suppose thats sensible actually :huh: wtf was i thinking lol
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im a believer of having some sounds in the back apart from sub, i have comps in front and some rockford 6x4s in the rear shelf supports, i find it sounds un balanced otherwise....
i wouldnt go out n spend loads in the rear but id defo have something
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now im torn again lol!
can see it from both point of views, never had a balanced sound, my old car was rear only and now this is front only.......i suppose a balance would be nice for a change :smiley:
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can always put the rear speakers in later :)
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Quote: Anybody had any experience of FLI Audio? it keeps grabbing my attention?
I have 2 sets of 17cm fli components (front and rear) in my mk4 getting 100W each from a 4 channel amp. Well recommended.
From here
http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/audio-integrator-comp6-p-5280.html
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Quote: Anybody had any experience of FLI Audio? it keeps grabbing my attention?
I have 2 sets of 17cm fli components (front and rear) in my mk4 getting 100W each from a 4 channel amp. Well recommended.
From here
http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/audio-integrator-comp6-p-5280.html
What amp are you using for those out of interest?
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Its a JVC. I don’t think its as efficient as it could be as it gets quite warm but it still drives them very well and keeps the SQ up the volume.
here:
http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/jvc-ksax5500-p-4066.html
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....keeps the SQ up the volume.
sorry to be an idiot but what does this mean?
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No bother mate
SQ - Sound Quality
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ah i see, cheers :grin:
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Just a thought mate. If you do go for 2 sets of comps make sure the rear tweeters are pointing toward the back seats (depending on where you decide to mount them. In the mk4 the standard rear tweeters are built into the rear card next to the door pillar (3dr) facing backwards which imo is good.) If they point towards the front seats the sound staging will be wrong. hope that makes sense.
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ah cool, cheers 4 ur advice - Im gona order some today and hopefully they will be here b4 i go bak 2 uni :-)
Thinking of comps up front and maybe 6x4 co ax in the bak shelfs, then when i can afford it - easter prob - a sub
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If your planning on running a sub you don’t want anything in the shelf as the 2 cancel each other and also the sub can damage what’s in the shelf. Personally I haven’t seen inside any other golf than a mk4 so I don’t know what current set-up is in there. If you don’t have the pods already somewhere in the rear quarters maybe just go with one set of comps up front. Depends on how creative you want to be with custom pods etc. I had 1 set of comps up front and subs in the boot of an old astra. sounded great just with the one set. though my golf, imo does sound better with 2.
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Sorry i didnt mean in the rear parcel shelf, i meant in the supports for that shelf, where the standard VW ones are. But thats what i was worried about, i study acoustics at uni so iv got a basic understanding of how it works, iv only been doing it a few months, however car audio is a little lost on me :-(
I think ill start with just some comps up front :-)
Quote: Anybody had any experience of FLI Audio? it keeps grabbing my attention?
I have 2 sets of 17cm fli components (front and rear) in my mk4 getting 100W each from a 4 channel amp. Well recommended.
From here
http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/audio-integrator-comp6-p-5280.html
it will run them fine, i would be more tempted to a 'recognised' make, so for the same money, these:
http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/3828.html
:)
Any other recommendations for 13cm comps up front, im not confident enough yet to do the 17cm speaker pods up front yet, and don't wanna spend all the cash on the pre made door cards :-)
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I haven’t had much experience of 13cm but I would imagine if you went for the tried and tested brands and highest wattage you can afford you can’t go wrong. Take a trip to your local Halfords to try a few out. You can get a feel for what brand of speakers suit your style of music. Then go somewhere cheaper to buy them. Just in case you didn’t know watts in RMS is the only figure you need. Peek means nothing.
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Im seriously thinking about modzing my rear door cards to have some 17cm components in now :shocked:
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I haven’t had much experience of 13cm but I would imagine if you went for the tried and tested brands and highest wattage you can afford you can’t go wrong. Take a trip to your local Halfords to try a few out. You can get a feel for what brand of speakers suit your style of music. Then go somewhere cheaper to buy them. Just in case you didn’t know watts in RMS is the only figure you need. Peek means nothing.
Cheers, my local halfords is a bit of a dive, i may head to the bristol one. See what thats like, I listen to everything from classical through to rock, heavy metal, and onto Drum and Bass and hip hop, and most things in between including cheesy pop
So i guess im just looking for a general all purpose speaker, which i know will prob not exist and will not be brilliant at any one thing but thats part of the joys of an eclectic music taste i guess.
On a similar note, when i look at subs, im thinking 2 ten inch subs to give a bit more punch for the faster bass stuff? rather then 12inch? or the crazyness of 15" plus....... :laugh:
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Im seriously thinking about modzing my rear door cards to have some 17cm components in now :shocked:
i guess fibre glass just daunts me a little? :undecided:
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Through past experience 12's are the way forward for an all round system. My 2 alpines can keep up with anything and drop low when needed. Iv also had a 2 15s and a 10. The 10 struggled to get low enough for my liking and my 15s were a mistake. (Lack of research on my part :cry:) but it depends on your budget. I had a cheep 10 so couldn’t expect the world from it. My last system I had 2 lightning audio 12" @ 150Watt RMS each and they rocked. which are for sale by the way. On the Comps, if you go for tried and tested stuff with highest RMS you can afford you should be ok. are you planning on amping the comps?
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Through past experience 12's are the way forward for an all round system. My 2 alpines can keep up with anything and drop low when needed. Iv also had a 2 15s and a 10. The 10 struggled to get low enough for my liking and my 15s were a mistake. (Lack of research on my part :cry:) but it depends on your budget. I had a cheep 10 so couldn’t expect the world from it. My last system I had 2 lightning audio 12" @ 150Watt RMS each and they rocked. which are for sale by the way. On the Comps, if you go for tried and tested stuff with highest RMS you can afford you should be ok. are you planning on amping the comps?
Cool cheers, well im not going to amp them 4 the mo as i don't have a lot of cash but eventually i will, as well as a separate amp for the subs? is that a good idea?
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if you can you deffo want a seperate amp for the subs. Monoblock for the subs and a seperate 2 or 4 channel depending on wether you have one or two sets of comps. dont forget if you go budget on cables you will reduce the amps output. :smiley:
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if you can you deffo want a seperate amp for the subs. Monoblock for the subs and a seperate 2 or 4 channel depending on wether you have one or two sets of comps. dont forget if you go budget on cables you will reduce the amps output. :smiley:
nice one cheers, i suppose id be better off gettin a four channel, then if i decide to get another set of comps iv got the option without having to buy another amp.
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One more thing to consider when choosing an amp. If, for example, you have 2 speakers @ 100 watt each get a 300 watt amp so the amp doesn’t need to be flat out to power them to their potential. Some people believe this is good and some say unnecessary. I personally think it’s a good thing.
Decisions Decisions
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One more thing to consider when choosing an amp. If, for example, you have 2 speakers @ 100 watt each get a 300 watt amp so the amp doesn’t need to be flat out to power them to their potential. Some people believe this is good and some say unnecessary. I personally think it’s a good thing.
Decisions Decisions
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Cheers, thats something i agree with, amps tend to reach distortion at the top of they're power range so this can help avoid it, however i guess u need to be careful not to blow your speakers if u crank the amp. - Just my knowledge from audio other than in car - i just assumed the same rule applied
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correct; if you get the gains set too high there may well be smoke. entertaining :shocked: :laugh:
all you gotta do now is pic your gear.
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If you do insist upon rear speakers, then a pair of co-axials in the standard locations, running from the headunit would be more than adequate - this gives you the option to fade them out if necessary. From an SQ perspective, any other source other than the front will alter the sound stage. The only reason the sub goes in the back is convenience - it is far more difficult to pinpoint the source of low frequencies, especially in a moving car.
You wouldn't have rear speakers on your home hi-fi for listening to CDs (surround is something totally different), so if aiming for good reproduction in-car, good fronts(well fitted) are all you need. Spending the rear speaker money on sound deadening would give better results.
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Im seriously thinking about modzing my rear door cards to have some 17cm components in now :shocked:
i guess fibre glass just daunts me a little? :undecided:
Yer tbh i would just cut'n'fit :embarassed: lol
Through past experience 12's are the way forward for an all round system. My 2 alpines can keep up with anything and drop low when needed. Iv also had a 2 15s and a 10. The 10 struggled to get low enough for my liking and my 15s were a mistake. (Lack of research on my part :cry:) but it depends on your budget. I had a cheep 10 so couldn’t expect the world from it. My last system I had 2 lightning audio 12" @ 150Watt RMS each and they rocked. which are for sale by the way. On the Comps, if you go for tried and tested stuff with highest RMS you can afford you should be ok. are you planning on amping the comps?
My 8" isnt low enough but my mate has 2x12" sony's and they make my hair shake theyre that good :drool: :drool: :drool:
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If you do insist upon rear speakers, then a pair of co-axials in the standard locations, running from the headunit would be more than adequate - this gives you the option to fade them out if necessary. From an SQ perspective, any other source other than the front will alter the sound stage. The only reason the sub goes in the back is convenience - it is far more difficult to pinpoint the source of low frequencies, especially in a moving car.
You wouldn't have rear speakers on your home hi-fi for listening to CDs (surround is something totally different), so if aiming for good reproduction in-car, good fronts(well fitted) are all you need. Spending the rear speaker money on sound deadening would give better results.
Cool, cheers 4 ur advice - i think im going to order either these http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/3828.html or these http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/6691.html for the front - then if i feel the need ill order some rears at another point
unless there is something better for the same money?
Help Me lol!!!!!
Oh an can somebody recommend some sound deadening?
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Well i took the plunge and ordered these
http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/6691.html
(http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop//images/var/INFINITY-REFERENCE-5020CS.jpg)
Hopefully they will be here sometime next week :-)
if not my parents will post them on to me at uni :grin: :grin: :grin:
Its hard to resist buying everything at once lol - i would be stupendously skint if i did tho
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Don't know if this is a silly question but where would you put the tweeters? Obviously the 13s would go in the doors but the dash speakers are 4.5" I think.. Whereas tweeters are alot smaller than this.
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well i don't have dash speakers, I'm not sure where I'm going to put them to be honest - just blag it i guess?
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dash are 3.5inch if i recall correctly....
i have mounted tweeters where dash speakers just made brackets up, not to hard really
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Am i just being dim not noticing dash speakers in mine? or if i have door pockets do i not have dash speakers?
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Id put something in the back. My mates got 2 door speakers in the front of his car and a sub in the boot. The sub drains out all the music when in the back so you can't hear anything but bass :sad: Might be what some people like but i prefer to hear the song with added bass than just bass :smiley:
I drive from the front :wink: Thats the trick to it all
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Am i just being dim not noticing dash speakers in mine? or if i have door pockets do i not have dash speakers?
Maybe you are mistaking them for heater vents - look at the base of your "A" pillars. :wink:
Putting the tweets in the dash speaker location hides them well, but IMHO, isn't the best for SQ - the reflection off of the screen can make some tweeters sound harsh. Better on mirror backs, angled towards opposite side headrest.
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Every mark 2 Golf has speakers in the dash. Some as part of the orginal component set and some as the only speaker. In mine the centre has been cut out and the rest used as a mount to house the new tweeters.
I know what you mean about the rear speakers. I've done a ton of sound proofing in the boot and have tried it with front components and a rea sub and the same with rear speakers. Everytime I've found it sounds better and more equal with the extra rear speakers. With 13cm front components and the rear sub, to me it sounded as if just the trebl and bass were coming from the front and just the bass from the back. With the rear speakers it sounds like it's more around you and not separated!
I've had some top quality 13cm Boston acoustics front components for sale for a while now at £60 (less than half they cost me) and they sound a lot better than the usual Kenwood, Pioneer, Alpine speakers that everyone goes for because that's all they have heard of. They pick up a lot more detail too. Usually in hi-fi gear it's the makes that you haven't heard of that give the better sound. Ask any audio shop that knows thei stuff. Not heard anything bad about them yet. Some of the best makes of speakers are: Focal, Rainbow, Hertz, Boston acoustics and DLS.
Also got a new Phoenix Gold mono amp and a mint Kenwood 7031 CD headunit if anyones interested?!