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General => General discussion => Topic started by: VeeDubGTI16v on 22 March 2004, 00:47
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i think we should all chip in and get black gti the original badge for his car
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2468675542&category=36677
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LOL! ;D
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This is why I need to be a moderator.
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LOL nut house this place
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This is why I need to be a moderator.
You a moderator! but then no one would be allowed to post unless they first agreed that mk3 8v was best! man your easy..........
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how much quicker is the 8v mk2 over the 8v mk3?
just PLEASE answer me that.
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only a little bit but its a smaller engine ;)
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only a little bit but its a smaller engine
want more figures?
mk3 8v = 127lb/ft torque
mk2 16v = 121lb/ft torque
.. mk2 8v? lol dont care to know. :D
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that will be because of the 0.2l increase in displacement, but why is it still slower? oh yeah i forgot its HEAVIER! ;D :P :-*
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87kg heavier
More torque
More bhp
More safety
More security
More comfort
Bigger alloys
Sexier
More modern
... nuff said.. id sacrifice the 0.4secs to 60 for those extra's 8) :D ;)
on a side note
mk1 - mk2 115Kg heavier, same engine.
mk1 = 8.4secs to 60. ... add 115kg and no extra power ... u aint getting to 60 in under 9secs. :D ;)
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Sexier? More bhp? i thought we had argues about that before anyway?
waht size are your alloys?
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alloys, surely you got steels?
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15's and the anni had 16's
read my extra bit i added to the above post. 8)
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errrr......i got 15's on mine as standard? so hows yours bigger?
yours is bigger, heavier, less power and a larger engine and it is still slower, for the life of me i cant think why?????
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yeah anyone for jelly?
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im gonna go to bed cos im struggling to see the keyboard, laters peeps!
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well, mk2 GTI 8v's started with 14's.
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mine started on 13's steelies ;D
with my bodykit ;D
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Ur bodykit huh?
Check the thread thats in this forum ::) ::)
:D
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f**kin ell, u lot smash it :D
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only a little bit but its a smaller engine
want more figures?
mk3 8v = 127lb/ft torque
mk2 16v = 121lb/ft torque
.. mk2 8v? lol dont care to know. :D
Yup, need more figures.
Looking around this morning and found the Mk3 8v rated at 122lb/ft and the original 16v Mk2 at 123.5lb/ft.
Tin
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87kg heavier
More torque
More bhp
More safety
More security
More comfort
Bigger alloys
Sexier
More modern
... nuff said.. id sacrifice the 0.4secs to 60 for those extra's 8) :D ;)
on a side note
mk1 - mk2 115Kg heavier, same engine.
mk1 = 8.4secs to 60. ... add 115kg and no extra power ... u aint getting to 60 in under 9secs. :D ;)
... and you want to be a moderator!!!
They're all Golf GTIs. Give it up.
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The mk2 16v does have 123.5lb ft torque at about 4500rpm, will check the handbook for the mk3 8v.
The fact is the 16v will produce much more torque over the 8v higher up the rev range(even 1.8 16v compared to 2.0 8v), this is critical to performance.
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Mr VR6 did you and Black Gti swallow a stats book?
Also why is Black Gti always trying to convince us that hes cars better than everyone elses?
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Also why is Black Gti always trying to convince us that hes cars better than everyone elses?
Im not saying my car is better than anyone elses ... all Im saying is its not as bad as all u lot make out... and its a GTI ... live with it.
Mr VR6 did you and Black Gti swallow a stats book?
We goto a great cantina...
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Balck if you knew that half the people were yanking your chain and laughed with us then we would get bored and shut up but until then im never gonna tire of ribbing you! :-*
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yea but this banter is just getting me to learn more about cars and stuff ... so im happy to keep learning (about modern engines) and keep this banter going ... u wanna keep slagging the GTI badge off ... fire away :D
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what you dont understand is that the gti badge is fine, it just doesnt belong on your car. it should be replaced with a nice cl one. your car is like the driver in the mk2 range
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All 4 of my GTI badges are fine... and my 9.8secs 0-60 is fine ... and when my Magnex exhaust is fitted on thursday (hopefully) ... ill wait till i use up sum fuel cos im on a full tank ... and ill do the 0-60 run.
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I think you should get some of those smoked headlights, i was just looking at your sig and thinking!
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mate youll be pissing on r32's before you know it. get some new ht leads and you might be able to keep up with skylines and evos.
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i dont think we are slagging off the gti name mr black. you have to remember just how astonished the car world was when vw first chucked out the mark 1. it was way ahead of its time and they followed it up with the mark 2 pushing the words 'hot hatch' into the history books. if u like researching check out peoples views and opinions at the time and maybe u will understand why enthusiasts were dissapointed with the mark 3. i appreciate why u own the car u do and I understand that someone has to own it - but even u have to admit that vw have made a bit of a comeback , im awaiting with great anticipation what u buy next!!! ;) :D
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I wasnt around in 1976 ... my brother was born then tho LOL
and if u read the what happened in the early 90's u'll read summet along the lines of
"with insurance premiums on hot hatches going thru the roof and the sales of hot hatches dropping, something need to be done, and this was VW's answer, to produce a same powered car as the previous mark but add more equipment, making it heavier and therefore slightly slower, but also reducing premiums because of airbags, immobilisers etc. ... the "hot hatch" days have now died off .. with the likes of the mk2 16v golf and XR2"
summet like that ... its not 1986 anymore.
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i would rather have an old mk2 than drive a thames barge. :-*
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I'd have the more modern mk3 8v (97/98), thats higher in value with the oppotunity to sell it and buy two 16v mk2's HAHAHAHAHA
(not that I would :D )
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Hey Black let it go man they only pulling your p1sser and if it makes you feel better yours is probably quicker than mine as mine has 3 ton of cows ass on the seats. :D
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maybe nothing wrong with the 8v tho... hopefully will be even better with the full Magnex system on thursday! ;D
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yes now it will sound like it is quick like it looks like it is quick but in fact is pathetically slow
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Tho theres no rolling roads near me, according to guru vr6 I should get an extra 10%+ with the 57i and Full system
... So thats 127Bhp.
123bhp/tonne ... better than a standard 8v mk2.
pick no sum1 else now :D I aint 115bhp no more.
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youre still a mouthy T W A T tho
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cool eh. :D
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I wasnt around in 1976 ... my brother was born then tho LOL
and if u read the what happened in the early 90's u'll read summet along the lines of
"with insurance premiums on hot hatches going thru the roof and the sales of hot hatches dropping, something need to be done, and this was VW's answer, to produce a same powered car as the previous mark but add more equipment, making it heavier and therefore slightly slower, but also reducing premiums because of airbags, immobilisers etc. ... the "hot hatch" days have now died off .. with the likes of the mk2 16v golf and XR2"
summet like that ... its not 1986 anymore.
so black are u telling me that
1)your car is slow
2) vw did it deliberately
3) its the best excuse u could find
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nope, actually what i wrote was summet i found awhile back ... it was a website reviewing all the old hot hatches
205 GTI 1.9
106 GTI
Clio Williams
Astra GSI 16v
Golf mk2 16v
etc ... and thats basically what they wrote... i just couldnt be assed looking for the exact quote.
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well maybe im getting my wires crossed, i cant be bothered with the same old crap and so will no longer join in the 1/2 gti versus 3 gti debate. at the end of the day the m3 gti was a dissapointment compared to the old marks and if u cant see the efforts vw made to rectify the problem with the newer models then its not worth me wasting my typing skills ::)
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Vw made no effort...
1.8 none turbo GTI?
2.0 8v in the mk4 (even heavier)
150bhp V5 ... (V5 = heavier by 50kg over 1.8, which is 50kg heavier than 2.0)
. ... yep .. loadsa effort ... they released a VR6 ... and a 16v ... and the 16v didnt set the roadsa alight ... its "manufacturers book" time is 8.7secs.
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Black GTi - will you just give up spouting all this b0ll0cks, everytime I see one of these threads I notice that you quote a different 0-60 figure for your car. Sometimes it's just over 8 seconds sometimes it's just under 10. Why bother, everyone knows that just about every other gti made by VW is quicker than the mk3 8v, in fact I think every other GTi made by anybody is quicker than the mk3 8v.
Just give up, everyone is just winding you up and you bite everytime. You're car is a decent car in it's own right, it's just not fast, live with it.
I'm going to go and get into my nice comfy barge of a mk3 now but at least it has a little bit of poke! Why don't you just go and buy some CL badges.
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After reading all of these i wonder why Black CL says im a trouble maker ::)
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Im just curious what the top speed of a mk2 8v ... cos technically the mk3 8v is "FASTER" .. IE higher top speed ...
Black GTi - will you just give up spouting all this b0ll0cks, everytime I see one of these threads I notice that you quote a different 0-60 figure for your car. Sometimes it's just over 8 seconds sometimes it's just under 10. Why bother, everyone knows that just about every other gti made by VW is quicker than the mk3 8v, in fact I think every other GTi made by anybody is quicker than the mk3 8v.
cos its quoted differently all over the web...
8.7
9.0
9.7
9.8
... and why are u here? shu shu shu ... away with u ;D
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.................and he still goes on spouting about differences of less than a second. Like it matters!!
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besides its not just the car driver skill(and balls!) plays a big part, a mk3 8v is a decent car, yes its reliable, build quality is quite good (especially on later ones) parts are readily available, and premiums arent bad, its just not a heart stopper thats all. but then neither is the mk2 8v, or 16v, or mk3 16v, there ae loads of cars out there qhich are quicker, especially modern ones, it just so happens that a mk2 8v is the best and fastest car i can afford (or want to own) at the moment, dont get me wrong as soon as i can affors a faster car i will get one, but until then im just gonna be happy with mine as is. and you should be to black cl, so anyway i think 99% of the site, even fellow mk3 owners are bored with you so give it a rest, thank you please :-*
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Here, Here.
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My car is 16 years old in a few days. Show me your car when its 16 years old, if its as good, then yeah, you can say its built better than the MK2. I dont think ANY modern car is as well built as an older car, thats the way the 80's were. The original 16 year old paint on my MK2 is better then the 2 year old paint than my MK4. But, the mark3 MAY well be better if it has more luxuries with it, i dont know, i've never driven one. Most people say the MK2 is the best and fastest, but why should that bother you? You have the car you want, we have the car we want. What more maters?