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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Hurdy on 18 December 2007, 14:27
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Well chaps, lets face it. If the story is accurate, then VW need to pull a big rabbit out of the hat to compete.
http://www.topgear.com/content/news/stories/2496/
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they already have, the W12, shame it will never see the showroom.
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i wouldnt buy one even if my life depended on it!!
Its not all about speed. And i wouldnt pay £25,000 for any Ford!!!
Rather take a slower BUT more reliable VW !
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That would easily beat an R32, end of really.
Like maxamus said, doesnt mean ist the better car. Very interesting tho, saw this story on Auto Trader earlier on today and first thing I thought of was you poor E30 boys going to get abuse from the Ford boys lol
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Looks even chavier than the already chavtastic ST. You can keep that thanks. :sick:
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sounds great to be honest, 300bhp, 4WD (what the R32 SHOULD BE!), just a shame its a ford focus! Would definately have an R32 if it had this set up! but yeah I agree with Duzza - chavtastic! :grin:
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My thoughts lie in a different area of "focus" :grin:
1. I doubt it will have a twin turbo
2. I doubt it will have 300bhp
3. I doubt it will have 4x4
4. I doubt it will be as good looking as the GTI
If it does have the first three, then it will still weigh more than my ED30 and that means I've still bought the right car :smug:
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I dont think its chavtastic at all, just my opinion. The old RS certainly wanst, so what would make this one?
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cant beat a bit of brand loyalty eh?
25000 is cheap for this car if thats what it costs..there will no production golf that will come close, in terms of handling or performance..interior finish will be good and it will be as reliable if not more so than any r32 or gti...
these are facts by the way...
you dont have to buy one, jut dont be pissed of when you get blown away by one.
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I dont think this will go un-noticed by the boys at VW. I think they expect these type of stunts from competitors.
Not sure if there will be a MK6 GTI but im sure that the MK6 R32/R36 will be a force to wreckon with. Im sure VW will see beyond these type of "toys" that Ford is putting out and produce a much better grown up car.
All Ford are doing now is upping the anti and making their cars faster. You do realise i said faster and not necesseraly more reliable or more entertaining.
PS. I personally think the ST is chavy and not really an attractive car (the GTi/R32 is a much better looking car).
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cant beat a bit of brand loyalty eh?
25000 is cheap for this car if thats what it costs..there will no production golf that will come close, in terms of handling or performance..interior finish will be good and it will be as reliable if not more so than any r32 or gti...
these are facts by the way...
you dont have to buy one, jut dont be pissed of when you get blown away by one.
How do you know its better handling and better performance than the R32?
And how do you know its got a good interior and as reliable as a GTI or R32?
At the moment there is only a press statement from Ford. No one has actually seen or test driven one so your basing your comments on what?
PS its not getting launched till 2009
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Wasn't the original talk about the RS being around 280bhp with FWD & Special diff? Wonder where TG have got the twin-turbo/4WD info from :undecided:
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Wasn't the original talk about the RS being around 280bhp with FWD & Special diff? Wonder where TG have got the twin-turbo/4WD info from :undecided:
Yup, that mirrors my sentiments too :nerd:
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come to think of it, Ford have been bangin on about this before the ST was released. They havent delivered and doubt they will considering all the mess Ford is in at the moment.
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come to think of it, Ford have been bangin on about this before the ST was released. They havent delivered and doubt they will considering all the mess Ford is in at the moment.
Yes, but read it closer and it says Ford have OFFICIALLY announced that they are building an RS.
Then again, by the time it gets to 2009 it will probably be a 1.6 zetec in drag with the money they'll have by then :grin:
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http://www.autotrader.co.uk/EDITORIAL/car_page_content/38515.html
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Not to sure about it...300bhp and that lil extra weight from all that wider arches etc....its a ford and i may sound like a brand whore buts yes i think almost any one would choose a VW over a Ford. Not really sure about it...think id still have my money on an R32...annddd VW have said that the MK6 GTI would have a more powerful 2.0TFSI engine and they still havent announced what the Flagship model will be so.....think about...the MK6 is said to release around late 2008 early 2009 so....think the up coming models would be the competition to this focus....
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well, i wish the next GTI is a V6 with rear wheel drive pushing atleast 260bhp :kiss:
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well, i wish the next GTI is a V6 with rear wheel drive pushing atleast 260bhp :kiss:
Nice as it would be, I doubt it would happendue to the CO2 emissions. It'll more likely be a souped up 1.6TSI with around 250bhp :wink:
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well, i wish the next GTI is a V6 with rear wheel drive pushing atleast 260bhp :kiss:
Nice as it would be, I doubt it would happendue to the CO2 emissions. It'll more likely be a souped up 1.6TSI with around 250bhp :wink:
Sounds good...would rev like a b!tch having an orgasm! xD
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Fooook CO2 emissions :angry: :angry:
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Fooook CO2 emissions :angry: :angry:
In that case I'll wish for the R8 engine in the MKVI R42 :evil:
400+bhp and 4wd with V8 pleeeaase Mr VW :rolleyes:
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Fooook CO2 emissions :angry: :angry:
In that case I'll wish for the R8 engine in the MKVI R42 :evil:
400+bhp and 4wd with V8 pleeeaase Mr VW :rolleyes:
It took them two decades to recapture the MK1 GTI goodness in the MK5 GTI.
VW have a lot to live upto!
I think they will not dissapoint as VAG Group have really pushed the boundaries in the last few years (Veyron, R8, LP640 helping Porsche with the GT1 developement etc)
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cant beat a bit of brand loyalty eh?
25000 is cheap for this car if thats what it costs..there will no production golf that will come close, in terms of handling or performance..interior finish will be good and it will be as reliable if not more so than any r32 or gti...
these are facts by the way...
you dont have to buy one, jut dont be pissed of when you get blown away by one.
How do you know its better handling and better performance than the R32?
And how do you know its got a good interior and as reliable as a GTI or R32?
At the moment there is only a press statement from Ford. No one has actually seen or test driven one so your basing your comments on what?
PS its not getting launched till 2009
mate, have you even been in a st focus? they are well built, reliable and drive very well indeed..and thats just the 'old' focus..
my point is this...ford are on there game, like it or not, and they will produce a car that does the business.
as for my opinion on there not being a golf that will come near in handling or performance, i am fairly confident....vw havent won that many world rally chamionships that i can remember? Same people responsable for fords rally success are responsible for the new focus...
ford have said they are competing at the level of mitsu evo and subaru wrx, so my bet is they are faily serious...and that is a very different level indeed to that of a r32/r36
time will tell i suppose.
Oh, and i drive a golf...its a great car, but it is what it is...
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There is supposed to be a W12 here in Dublin! I havn't seen it myself but I have a friend who said some Guy was driving round in a white badged W12 which he had brought in from Germany. This could be an e-bay special tho!
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There is supposed to be a W12 here in Dublin! I havn't seen it myself but I have a friend who said some Guy was driving round in a white badged W12 which he had brought in from Germany. This could be an e-bay special tho!
I'll bet it is someone with a W12 badge off Ebay :wink:
W12 concept was a one off car and from what Jezza Clarkson says, not very good at going round corners :grin:
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Guy had the bonet poped and the guy told me it was a huge engine!
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Guy had the bonet poped and the guy told me it was a huge engine!
Definitely not the concept one then as that has the engine behind the front seats.
If the bloke said it has a W12 engine in the front
1. Would it actually fit?
2. Would it handle with that weight up front?
There is only just enough room for a V6 engine let alone the equivalent of two. :shocked:
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I highly doubt he had a W12 in the front.
Also how funny was Jezza in that W12 ......... and his spun ........... again :D
On the topic of W12, check out this nuttah from Croatia. His stuck 2 (yes thats TWO) V6 engines in his Lupo which makes it a W12 in my eyes. Its mental stuff. I know its long, but worth every page !
http://www.edition38.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=69918
:edit: - You might need to me a member of E38 to view, if your not you might as well sign up.
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So a new fast ford eh?? To take on the Evo's and Subarus?? Dont make me laugh!!
Would i change my R32 for one?? I dont think so!! So why are we even comparing the 2?? Well the obvious comparisons have to be made I guess. But as far as I am concerned the Ford is every reason why I chose the Golf, and just makes me even happier I got one... especially when I see that "oooh look at me" styling. Its a very different car to the R32 and I have no doubt I will drive very differently too, as we established when comparing the R32 + Ed30. Turbo's and NA engines are miles apart when looking at the way they deliver power.
Well done Ford for having the pingpongs to do it! Will it help to stop your already dwindling profits?? probably not. i think the hot hatch crazy guys generally dont want to spend 20k+ on something thats simply just fast. Family commitments and other factors (such as SHAME) set in as you start to get to that price. I just prefer something with a little more class.
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So a new fast ford eh?? To take on the Evo's and Subarus?? Dont make me laugh!!
Would i change my R32 for one?? I dont think so!! So why are we even comparing the 2?? Well the obvious comparisons have to be made I guess. But as far as I am concerned the Ford is every reason why I chose the Golf, and just makes me even happier I got one... especially when I see that "oooh look at me" styling. Its a very different car to the R32 and I have no doubt I will drive very differently too, as we established when comparing the R32 + Ed30. Turbo's and NA engines are miles apart when looking at the way they deliver power.
Well done Ford for having the pingpongs to do it! Will it help to stop your already dwindling profits?? probably not. i think the hot hatch crazy guys generally dont want to spend 20k+ on something thats simply just fast. Family commitments and other factors (such as SHAME) set in as you start to get to that price. I just prefer something with a little more class.
Amen Brother :cool:
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So a new fast ford eh?? To take on the Evo's and Subarus?? Dont make me laugh!!
Would i change my R32 for one?? I dont think so!! So why are we even comparing the 2?? Well the obvious comparisons have to be made I guess. But as far as I am concerned the Ford is every reason why I chose the Golf, and just makes me even happier I got one... especially when I see that "oooh look at me" styling. Its a very different car to the R32 and I have no doubt I will drive very differently too, as we established when comparing the R32 + Ed30. Turbo's and NA engines are miles apart when looking at the way they deliver power.
Well done Ford for having the pingpongs to do it! Will it help to stop your already dwindling profits?? probably not. i think the hot hatch crazy guys generally dont want to spend 20k+ on something thats simply just fast. Family commitments and other factors (such as SHAME) set in as you start to get to that price. I just prefer something with a little more class.
Amen Brother :cool:
Amen x 2.....I Have also read somewhere that Ford stole one of the top designer from Audi...hence the new mondeo so...keep ur eyes peeled for like "stylish" cars spinning around....and i dont think any one could imagine a ford focus competing with likes of an evo or impeza....the new GTR...thats a car to talke about!
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Twin turbo V6 with 450BHP (from memory or around that), yes please.
Was reading in CAR about this last month, they say it laps the Nurbergring has fast, if not FASTER than a 911 Turbo :shocked: :grin:
Where do I sign?
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Not sure if there will be a MK6 GTI...
Thats the strangest thing I've read on this forum! Why on earth would VW not produce a Mk6 GTI? The GTI is a classic icon and helps sales of other lesser Golfs so I can't see them turning their back on it. However, I don't think its going to be as good as the Mk5 GTI :wink:
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Id wait to see what lump they throw in it first before making a comment like that ;)
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Id wait to see what lump they throw in it first before making a comment like that ;)
It will probably be a 230-24 2.0L TSI Lump but I don't want a supercharged/turbocharged Golf GTI which might cause me expensive problems after the warranty expires.
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Agree, the turbo / super lumps should really be left to the "GT" line of models in my humble opinion.
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Whatever the Gti gets it wont be cheap either... expect the usual price hikes for a new model. Add in the extra power and you expect a nice increase in insurance, not to mention the prices at the pumps today!! Then we wonder why the younger generation take no interest in cars/engineering anymore (and when they do it all corsa's and saxo's)!! All because each manuafacturer whats to have the fastest!! I come into contact with quite a few young people regularily (not like that you filthy mind!) and all they want to do is become pasterers and plumbers. Looking forward to a generation of fastest plumbers and plasterers!!(not that there is anything wrong with that)
Without getting too serious we have seen very happy times over the last 5-10yrs where due to such an increase in house prices has meant borrowing money to fund your car has not been a big problem... with a housing crash/slow down imminent its only a matter of time before luxury item such as fast cars are left on the forecourt! Just take a look around at how many "older" model cars are on the road at the moment.. hardly any. Even my tight ar$e neighbours bought two new cars recently, even it they were sub £6k brand new. :rolleyes:
Does this just mean the RS will be a rare sight on the roads?? Giving it a little more exclutivity than the Golf :sick:
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Unless I win the lottery, I just cant see myself EVER buying a new car due the loss in value as soon as you take it off the fore court.
A perfect example is my brother in law is about to purchase a Saab Areo (2.0 T) which is a year old and relitavly low mileage, I cant quote the figures, but he saving a silly ammount !
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Not sure if there will be a MK6 GTI...
Thats the strangest thing I've read on this forum! Why on earth would VW not produce a Mk6 GTI? The GTI is a classic icon and helps sales of other lesser Golfs so I can't see them turning their back on it. However, I don't think its going to be as good as the Mk5 GTI :wink:
it looks like there will be a MK6 Gti, I posted a pic of it in another thread about the MK6.
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Unless I win the lottery, I just cant see myself EVER buying a new car due the loss in value as soon as you take it off the fore court.
A perfect example is my brother in law is about to purchase a Saab Areo (2.0 T) which is a year old and relitavly low mileage, I cant quote the figures, but he saving a silly ammount !
I would only buy a new car if i won the lottery or had million.
I prefer to buy 6months to a year old cars as i save a packet.
When i bought my GTI (55 Plate) i got it for £15,000 privately. Went to the dealers and they were selling all they 55 plates for £18,500 - £19,000. So, i saved over £3,000. I know when i come to sell it ot p/x it i will not loose out much if anything
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Unless I win the lottery, I just cant see myself EVER buying a new car due the loss in value as soon as you take it off the fore court.
A perfect example is my brother in law is about to purchase a Saab Areo (2.0 T) which is a year old and relitavly low mileage, I cant quote the figures, but he saving a silly ammount !
I would only buy a new car if i won the lottery or had million.
I prefer to buy 6months to a year old cars as i save a packet.
When i bought my GTI (55 Plate) i got it for £15,000 privately. Went to the dealers and they were selling all they 55 plates for £18,500 - £19,000. So, i saved over £3,000. I know when i come to sell it ot p/x it i will not loose out much if anything
thats the problem! the amount you loose when you drive out of the dealership just isnt worth it unless your planning on keeping a car long term. Unfortunately i dont plan on keeping any car longer than a couple of years.. i just cant resist the tasty new ones on the shelf :grin:
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Resisting new models has always been my weakness. Over the last seven years I have bought Eight brand new cars :shocked: The longest being my last one (MKV GTTDI DSG) at 18 months. Based on this I am doing really well with my current ED30 at 9 months :smiley: as the average is 10.5 months :embarassed:
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For me the golf gti/ed30 everytime over the focus st or rs,although like some have said not bad cars.The thing is for me,the 2.5 five pot is a very reliable engine as used for ages in the volvoT5,but i think the vag group has the fueling spot on in the FSI'S and if you look on both engines 500cc is a lot these days.Imho 260bhp up in a fwd car is hard work not to spin the wheels,and hope the mk6 gti will be 4wd 40/60 split,Saab like 2.2cc/2.3cc instead of 2.0cc,so you can keep the size of the turbo to a ED30/S3 size, although taxes etc could come in if need to keep to1998cc,but this all depends on customer demand and money.
How does this sound?? Mk6 gti/Ed 31!!!
2300cc FSI 4 Pot,4wd 40/60 split,reprogrammed ecu for 280bhp soft tart 300/320bhp full phat,also options of upgrade Brembo 4pots/choice of tyres,and partnership with Forge/Milltek,so Vw would approve production line fit for new owners.
Also DSG will and can hold onto upto 300bhp,come 2008/2009 will be proved and sorted to def cope,and could become 7speed!!!
Sorry,you cannot have the above if you order the smokers pack!!! :grin:
Chris.
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How does this sound?? Mk6 gti/Ed 31!!!
I think the next "Edition" will be the ED35
I hope they just do 1 version of the GTI in MK6 and not a million models like they did with the MK4.
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How does this sound?? Mk6 gti/Ed 31!!!
I think the next "Edition" will be the ED35
I hope they just do 1 version of the GTI in MK6 and not a million models like they did with the MK4.
There are only 3 versions with the MK4. Thats only in the UK. The 2.0 GTi isnt a GTi on Europe, its a highline model. Not to sure if the 1.8 N/A is classed as GTi in Europe. If it isn't, that just leaves the one "proper" GTi.
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How does this sound?? Mk6 gti/Ed 31!!!
I think the next "Edition" will be the ED35
I hope they just do 1 version of the GTI in MK6 and not a million models like they did with the MK4.
There are only 3 versions with the MK4. Thats only in the UK. The 2.0 GTi isnt a GTi on Europe, its a highline model. Not to sure if the 1.8 N/A is classed as GTi in Europe. If it isn't, that just leaves the one "proper" GTi.
Isnt there like 1.8 GTI, 2.0 GTI, 2.0 VR6 GTI, 2.0 4Motion GTI......etc in MK4
All look the same apart from the badges on the rear
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No, the V6 and V5 versions arent GTi's. In the UK there are 3 MK4 GTI's. 1.8T , 2.0 N/A, 1.8 N/A.
There is then the V6 4motion and a V5 model but these are not GTI's. They also did GT versions of the desiel engines (110 , 130 & 150) which where pretty good.
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For me the golf gti/ed30 everytime over the focus st or rs,although like some have said not bad cars.The thing is for me,the 2.5 five pot is a very reliable engine as used for ages in the volvoT5,but i think the vag group has the fueling spot on in the FSI'S and if you look on both engines 500cc is a lot these days.Imho 260bhp up in a fwd car is hard work not to spin the wheels,and hope the mk6 gti will be 4wd 40/60 split,Saab like 2.2cc/2.3cc instead of 2.0cc,so you can keep the size of the turbo to a ED30/S3 size, although taxes etc could come in if need to keep to1998cc,but this all depends on customer demand and money.
How does this sound?? Mk6 gti/Ed 31!!!
2300cc FSI 4 Pot,4wd 40/60 split,reprogrammed ecu for 280bhp soft tart 300/320bhp full phat,also options of upgrade Brembo 4pots/choice of tyres,and partnership with Forge/Milltek,so Vw would approve production line fit for new owners.
Also DSG will and can hold onto upto 300bhp,come 2008/2009 will be proved and sorted to def cope,and could become 7speed!!!
Sorry,you cannot have the above if you order the smokers pack!!! :grin:
Chris.
That'll be expensive :lipsrsealed:
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I personally think a 4x4 Focus with (no doubt) the engine out the S60R (T5/ST engine with uprated internals and bigger turbo) would be an absolute weapon and I would love one. The guys at ford make cars that drive and handle very well, and with 4x4 and a smooth sexy sounding blown 5 pot, it would walk the walk too.
Downsides would be fuel economy and high road tax (ST is 1g/km off the dreaded £400 a year band G group).
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Ford Focus RS....i dont know why people are so bothered about it.....
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The Fordy boys would say the same about the R32 though :wink:
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Ford Focus RS....i dont know why people are so bothered about it.....
because it will eat your R32 for breakfast :evil:
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Ford Focus RS....i dont know why people are so bothered about it.....
because it will eat your R32 for breakfast :evil:
correctamundo...even if you supercharge it...
these ford lads are pretty serious by all accounts...they want to be top of the pile when it comes to homologated rally cars, just like they used to be.
flame suit on, ready for your retorts!! :evil:
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To be honest, I would put money on a standard 1992 Escort Cosworth being as quick from A to B as a 2007 R32 and lets be honest - All BS about interior quality and build aside, people buy the R32 for performance, grip and handling. If someone wanted MK5 Golf quality, build and anything else a MK5 Golf offers, they would buy a cooking model 1.6:)
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To be honest, I would put money on a standard 1992 Escort Cosworth being as quick from A to B as a 2007 R32 and lets be honest - All BS about interior quality and build aside, people buy the R32 for performance, grip and handling. If someone wanted MK5 Golf quality, build and anything else a MK5 Golf offers, they would buy a cooking model 1.6:)
Obviously not been in a R32 then. They feel much more solid than a standard golf. Ask anyone who has driven one and they will tell you the same thing. i didnt buy mine just for performance grip and handling.. i bought it for the enjoyment it gives me when i drive it. A 2.5 turbo just doesnt give you that feeling. Yes the Ford will be quicker.. but its not even bult yet, and we are not even sure if its going to be 4wd. Even the power figures are estimates. So lets wait till its gone round the track to see who the really daddy is... or should I say still is?
It still leaves the question.. would you buy one?? I dont think so! And I am quietly confident that many on here would say the same thing. Why pay 25k when you can get a ED30 that will remap to 300bhp anyway?? Its not all about speed...
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I definately wouldn't buy one, but for people who like their fords, the thought of a 300bhp hot hatch car with 4wd (if thats the reality) that will probably remap to 350bhp+ is an awesome prospect!! I'd be excited!!
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I definately wouldn't buy one, but for people who like their fords, the thought of a 300bhp hot hatch car with 4wd (if thats the reality) that will probably remap to 350bhp+ is an awesome prospect!! I'd be excited!!
I am confident it probably will remap to that... but will the rest of the car hold together?? Tatty focus's are a common sight!
INFACT GIVE ME ONE OF THESE ANYDAY... http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2007/12/2008-mitsubishi-lancer-ralliart.html
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Ford Focus RS....i dont know why people are so bothered about it.....
because it will eat your R32 for breakfast :evil:
Will also eat your ED30 :wink:
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ITS A FORD GOD DAMN IT!! i dont care what people say about how... much they have improved, and ford being a serious player now. I was in a 07 focus the other day and it just feels nothing like the quality of a golf! Yes its better put together than the old escorts.. but then it bloody should be! This like 10yrs on.. as for the amount of part sharing that goes on at that place!
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To be honest, I would put money on a standard 1992 Escort Cosworth being as quick from A to B as a 2007 R32 and lets be honest - All BS about interior quality and build aside, people buy the R32 for performance, grip and handling. If someone wanted MK5 Golf quality, build and anything else a MK5 Golf offers, they would buy a cooking model 1.6:)
:rolleyes:
they want R32 for performance, grip and handling...and quality build and interior
othewise people would by a go cart with big engine
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Ford Focus RS....i dont know why people are so bothered about it.....
because it will eat your R32 for breakfast :evil:
Will also eat your ED30 :wink:
no doubt
so what?
I am not fan of Fords, with 300hp engine or without...
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Ford Focus RS....i dont know why people are so bothered about it.....
because it will eat your R32 for breakfast :evil:
Will also eat your ED30 :wink:
no doubt
so what?
I am not fan of Fords, with 300hp engine or without...
Neither am i....thats why i said....why are people so bothered about it.....
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Enough said then i think!! It's officially sh!te :shocked:
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Think this should be another thread that shud be locked...they are starting to get a bit annoying....
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A bit of good discussion is where this forum should be going. I'm enjoying this :rolleyes:
The thread will die off when everyone's had their say anyway.
The Focus RS may end up being a fast car, but the owners will still end up with a Ford :sick: and look like kn0bs in them :wink:
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I mean really, for £25,000 i'd rather have an Audi A4 1.9TDi S-Line or a used R32 Fully Loaded.
I very rarely put my foot down so having that extra bhp is not necessary for me. What is, is relaiability and a quality build.
I'll never buy a ford as long as i live. Rather have a vauxhall
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Lol. This is quite funny. Putting the badge snobbery aside for a second (VW fans are fairly renowned for it), if the Focus RS ends up with the S60R engine and all wheel drive, it will make mincemeat of an R32.
£25k or not, one of the reasons you buy an R32 is for performance, grip and handling. If the ford does this better for the same price, then it is a bargain. Remember that Escort RS Cosworths are still around at way over £10k despite being 12-15 years old. If it wears an RS badge, it will have achieved cult status immediately as well :smiley:
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Remember that Escort RS Cosworths are still around at way over £10k despite being 12-15 years old.
ye but its chavvy for tracksuit wearing pill taking parents at 13 kind
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Ford Focus RS....i dont know why people are so bothered about it.....
because it will eat your R32 for breakfast :evil:
Will also eat your ED30 :wink:
no doubt
so what?
I am not fan of Fords, with 300hp engine or without...
Neither am i....thats why i said....why are people so bothered about it.....
thats why i said... it will eat R32 and E30 for breakfast!
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Lol. This is quite funny. Putting the badge snobbery aside for a second (VW fans are fairly renowned for it), if the Focus RS ends up with the S60R engine and all wheel drive, it will make mincemeat of an R32.
£25k or not, one of the reasons you buy an R32 is for performance, grip and handling. If the ford does this better for the same price, then it is a bargain. Remember that Escort RS Cosworths are still around at way over £10k despite being 12-15 years old. If it wears an RS badge, it will have achieved cult status immediately as well :smiley:
especially among 20-year old boys
For me the choice was clear, I was looking at USED GTIs over NEW STs, just because I do not like the design of ST. I think Clarkson hit it on the nail when he reviewed both ST and GTI - he liked them both, but when talking about GTI he mentioned family, and when talking about ST he mentioned clamydia! :smiley: GTI is more a grown up car (Tim Nidell called it "old peoples' car").
And don't mention badge snobbery even. I bet on Ford forum they are as snobbery as people here. It's called "preferences", for which we all voted with our money. What snobbery? :rolleyes: Volkswagen = peoples' car. :rolleyes:
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Ford Focus RS....i dont know why people are so bothered about it.....
because it will eat your R32 for breakfast :evil:
Will also eat your ED30 :wink:
no doubt
so what?
I am not fan of Fords, with 300hp engine or without...
Neither am i....thats why i said....why are people so bothered about it.....
thats why i said... it will eat R32 and E30 for breakfast!
You clearly said it will eat my R32 for breakfast :grin:
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Ford Focus RS....i dont know why people are so bothered about it.....
because it will eat your R32 for breakfast :evil:
Will also eat your ED30 :wink:
no doubt
so what?
I am not fan of Fords, with 300hp engine or without...
Neither am i....thats why i said....why are people so bothered about it.....
thats why i said... it will eat R32 and E30 for breakfast!
You clearly said it will eat my R32 for breakfast :grin:
I think he must have meant that if it eats a R32 it will obviously eat the Ed30 as a mild mid morning snack!! No???? :lipsrsealed:
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Ford Focus RS....i dont know why people are so bothered about it.....
because it will eat your R32 for breakfast :evil:
Will also eat your ED30 :wink:
no doubt
so what?
I am not fan of Fords, with 300hp engine or without...
Neither am i....thats why i said....why are people so bothered about it.....
thats why i said... it will eat R32 and E30 for breakfast!
You clearly said it will eat my R32 for breakfast :grin:
I think he must have meant that if it eats a R32 it will obviously eat the Ed30 as a mild mid morning snack!! No???? :lipsrsealed:
Cheeky :wink: Let all the ED30 readers see that and another thread of ED30 vs R32 will start xD
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Ford Focus RS....i dont know why people are so bothered about it.....
because it will eat your R32 for breakfast :evil:
Will also eat your ED30 :wink:
no doubt
so what?
I am not fan of Fords, with 300hp engine or without...
Neither am i....thats why i said....why are people so bothered about it.....
thats why i said... it will eat R32 and E30 for breakfast!
You clearly said it will eat my R32 for breakfast :grin:
I think he must have meant that if it eats a R32 it will obviously eat the Ed30 as a mild mid morning snack!! No???? :lipsrsealed:
R32 has advantage from start, but in-gear E30 is faster. Sorry about that. And that's all I have to say about it.
Anyway, today I was blown in-gear by an obviously tuned Mitsu Evo, though I accelerated from 100kmh in 6th gear. The guy behind the wheel was a 20-year old arabic/turkish-looking guy in a cap. :rolleyes: I just could not care less for this type of people, that's another reason I did not buy Focus ST - too many of these 20-year-old-capped guys drive them.
But whatever, he killed me in 10 seconds... :sad:
I feel I become a horsepower-holic... :lipsrsealed:
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Ford Focus RS....i dont know why people are so bothered about it.....
Sounds like time for a remap :wink:
because it will eat your R32 for breakfast :evil:
Will also eat your ED30 :wink:
no doubt
so what?
I am not fan of Fords, with 300hp engine or without...
Neither am i....thats why i said....why are people so bothered about it.....
thats why i said... it will eat R32 and E30 for breakfast!
You clearly said it will eat my R32 for breakfast :grin:
I think he must have meant that if it eats a R32 it will obviously eat the Ed30 as a mild mid morning snack!! No???? :lipsrsealed:
R32 has advantage from start, but in-gear E30 is faster. Sorry about that. And that's all I have to say about it.
Anyway, today I was blown in-gear by an obviously tuned Mitsu Evo, though I accelerated from 100kmh in 6th gear. The guy behind the wheel was a 20-year old arabic/turkish-looking guy in a cap. :rolleyes: I just could not care less for this type of people, that's another reason I did not buy Focus ST - too many of these 20-year-old-capped guys drive them.
But whatever, he killed me in 10 seconds... :sad:
I feel I become a horsepower-holic... :lipsrsealed:
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missing some text there i think Hurdy :grin:
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missing some text there i think Hurdy :grin:
Ha ha :embarassed:
Should have said:-
"Time for a remap then" :rolleyes:
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missing some text there i think Hurdy :grin:
Ha ha :embarassed:
Should have said:-
"Time for a remap then" :rolleyes:
i was reading it yesterday and kept reading over it just incase there was something i missed out on :laugh:
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missing some text there i think Hurdy :grin:
Ha ha :embarassed:
Should have said:-
"Time for a remap then" :rolleyes:
It certainly is.
My mind is set on Eibach Pro-System Plus (springs dampers and antiroll bars, 15mm lower) and Oettinger remap (intercooler, carbonio, exhaust from cat, 330bhp/430Nm).
All I need now is cash. :cry:
What is coilover and how does it differ from a damper? :embarassed:
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Coilover suspension includes both springs and dampers in the full kit.
With a damper you still need to buy a spring set.
See below
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/vw%20golfmk5/suspension.html
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Coilover suspension includes both springs and dampers in the full kit.
With a damper you still need to buy a spring set.
See below
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/vw%20golfmk5/suspension.html
merci beacoup :smiley:
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Back on topic guys,
Just bought February 2008 (WTF!?!) CAR magazine and there is an exclusive on the new Focus RS including an interview with Jost Capito (Director of Ford performance vehicles) which gives the following info:-
FRONT WHEEL DRIVE
DSG Equivalent gearbox available ( in the interview it is called PowerShift transmission :grin:)
300bhp - 290lbft
Possibly having an electronic version of an LSD
£25,000 est
So, on that basis there isn't that much difference to a remapped ED30 (except maybe LSD).
Now I know that will make some of us VW chaps very happy indeed :wink:
We have the higher quality marque car
Ability in standard form to match most hot hatch handling
Availability of a remap to match the proposed new RS
Can match the gearbox of Fords PowerShift transmission (if not already better than it :smug:)
Only thing I think the RS benefits from is the fact that it says it will have decent Brembo brakes :sad:
*Reaches for Awesome catalogue*
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300bhp from a front wheel drive by design is stupid and a bad decision. Oh well, ties in with fords business model then
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Ha Ha!! HA HA!!
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300bhp from a front wheel drive by design is stupid and a bad decision. Oh well, ties in with fords business model then
That's okay then :rolleyes:
Mine is "only" :wink: 285bhp through the front wheels...............at the moment :rolleyes:
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300bhp from a front wheel drive by design is stupid and a bad decision. Oh well, ties in with fords business model then
That's okay then :rolleyes:
Mine is "only" :wink: 285bhp through the front wheels...............at the moment :rolleyes:
Yes but thats not by design, thats aftermarket and i bet you will have to agree that the car must struggle to put it down (especially in this wet weather). I get wheel spin and mines only 200bhp
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the R32 is still the best looking car and the most refined.......the new 'look at me' RS/ST is still actually a volvo underneath and lets face it if that was the case then VW would just put a 4.2 V8 from and Audi under the bonnet if they were that bothered!
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Back on topic guys,
Just bought February 2008 (WTF!?!) CAR magazine and there is an exclusive on the new Focus RS including an interview with Jost Capito (Director of Ford performance vehicles) which gives the following info:-
FRONT WHEEL DRIVE
DSG Equivalent gearbox available ( in the interview it is called PowerShift transmission :grin:)
300bhp - 290lbft
Possibly having an electronic version of an LSD
£25,000 est
So, on that basis there isn't that much difference to a remapped ED30 (except maybe LSD).
Now I know that will make some of us VW chaps very happy indeed :wink:
We have the higher quality marque car
Ability in standard form to match most hot hatch handling
Availability of a remap to match the proposed new RS
Can match the gearbox of Fords PowerShift transmission (if not already better than it :smug:)
Only thing I think the RS benefits from is the fact that it says it will have decent Brembo brakes :sad:
*Reaches for Awesome catalogue*
What you have said there is a modified VW Golf GTi Ed30 is as good as a standard Focus RS.
If it uses the same engine as the S60R, a remap will give a lot more than the 320ish bhp availble from the Ed30 BWJ lump with the standard fuel input (no secondary fuel pump or bigger injectors).
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Yes, but power is nothing without control. I reckon going north of 320bhp for a fwd road car is probably too much power.
I'll be happy to be outgunned bhp-wise knowing that my car can still use the power it has.
The 285bhp I currently have is still more than it can realistically handle on wet roads without some cautionary pedalwork to reign in the wheelspin. 320bhp+ may be okay in the dry, but not in the wet.
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320bhp+ may be okay in the dry, but not in the wet.
I can vouch for that :wink:
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So it seems ford have bottled it!! and a selling price of 25k means with that level of performance just means that it wont sell.. or will only sell to chavs who go for wide body chavtastic arches!
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Oooh have they pulled out then? where's the story :shocked:
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Oooh have they pulled out then? where's the story :shocked:
Full story in CAR Magazine "February 2008 edition", even though it is only December :undecided: