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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: Blazing Storm on 05 December 2007, 19:39
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Just wondered what people's views are on this, as I'm trying to decide between the two. Please state why you'd prefer either of the two if possible.
Thanks
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GT TDI's are really good but its got to be the 1.8T for me Why coz im a petrol head. :laugh:
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I'm a petrol head too. Do you think it would cost much more to maintain the 1.8T compared to the GT TDI 150? It's just with fuel prices going up I don't know if the 1.8T is a good idea or not.
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Well depends how far you drive, The TDI will give you 45+ MPG and the same performance as the 1.8T, i just prefer petrol. Im sure rhyso will be along in a min to tell you how good the TDI's are!! :grin:
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Yes, but with diesel being more expensive and possibly expenses relating to it being a diesel engine does it make that much of a difference? I also hear the 1.8T can be tuned to over 200BHP.
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Yes, but with diesel being more expensive and possibly expenses relating to it being a diesel engine does it make that much of a difference? I also hear the 1.8T can be tuned to over 200BHP.
Well put it this way you can go further with the diesel, However the 1.8T can be very good on fuel when driven correctly. Yes the 150 bhp 1.8T can be tuned to 200 bhp very Easily with an ecu remap (Can be slightly less depends which 1.8T you get.)
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GT TDI 150
if you read my post here (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=71106.msg563786#msg563786) it shows the savings on fuel on the GT TDI over the 1.8T
i get 50~55 mpg from my TDI 150
a TDI will cost more to buy than a 1.8T but if you're doing the miles you can easily make that back in the fuel savings. i think the TDI lumps are meant to be less problem prone than the petrols too.
both the 1.8T and GT TDI 150 can be chipped to nigh on 200 bhp except the TDI gets what matters and thats torque.
the TDI is ultimately limited to about 270 after a new turbo, where the 1.8T can go to
if you're that worried about cost you could consider an LPG conversion which means you can keep the petrol lump but unless you're doing something like 20k+ its going to be more than a TDI
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Thanks Ridge. Interesting read.
The way I see it I have three options:
1) Buy a 1.8T and remap it (tempting me more because of the potential 400BHP)
2) Buy a GT TDI 150 and remap it
3) Keep my MK2 and put a 2.0l bottom end on and get the head port and polished. (Anyone know what sort of extra HP this would gain?)
I'm after a a bit more performance and after having so much done to the MK2 I might just keep it and mod further. It's hopefully getting a respray next year (got the paint already) and if I can save the money from not buying a new car then fuel consumption isn't such an issue.
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1.8T everytime.
The TDIs are more expensive to buy & diesel is 5p a litre more than petrol so you'll have to do a LOT of miles to break even. The 1.8T can be modified to a MUCH higher spec & has a quicker 0-60. All the TDI drivers will bleet on about higher torque & fast 40-60 times, but the TDI lump is heavier than the petrol engine so you'll always get beaten by the 1.8T (as I'm constantly proving to my mate with a TDI 150 :grin:).
If you want performance get the 1.8T, If you want to do alot of miles a year get the TDI.
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At the moment I don't do that many miles but I'm desperately trying to get a decent job having graduated from University so could well be doing 100 miles a day by the time I think of buying.
Thanks immortal. So basically the 1.8T is the best choice unless I do mega miles.
Come on guys, get voting for your favourite of the two.
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The TDIs are more expensive to buy & diesel is 5p a litre more than petrol so you'll have to do a LOT of miles to break even.
diesel is about 4.5% more a litre than petrol, but the TDI 150 is 66% more efficient than the 1.8T 150
At the moment I don't do that many miles but I'm desperately trying to get a decent job having graduated from University so could well be doing 100 miles a day by the time I think of buying.
if you do end up in a job doing 100 miles a day then you'll be looking at saving a grand a year with the derv. IMO you're probably better off waiting until you've found out where you'll be working before you decide.
Thanks immortal. So basically the 1.8T is the best choice unless I do mega miles.
depends on how long you plan to keep the car, if you want to tune it, you could break even over 3 years from only doing 14K a year
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Cheers there Ridge, that's cleared a few things up.
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Well depends how far you drive, The TDI will give you 45+ MPG and the same performance as the 1.8T, i just prefer petrol. Im sure rhyso will be along in a min to tell you how good the TDI's are!! :grin:
hmm missed this! too busy putting wardrobes together!!
Ridge has pretty much covered all the bases as to the pros and cons. Tax is cheaper by about £100 too
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Yeah, I noticed tax is a fair bit cheaper. Would insurance be much cheaper on the GT TDI 150, as I noticed it's group 13 whilst the 1.8T is group 14?
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Yeah, I noticed tax is a fair bit cheaper. Would insurance be much cheaper on the GT TDI 150, as I noticed it's group 13 whilst the 1.8T is group 14?
i expect they are going to be able the same, throw your details at a few companies for test quote and see how they come out for both.
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Yeah, I noticed tax is a fair bit cheaper. Would insurance be much cheaper on the GT TDI 150, as I noticed it's group 13 whilst the 1.8T is group 14?
i expect they are going to be able the same, throw your details at a few companies for test quote and see how they come out for both.
OK, will do nearer the time. Thanks.
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Bit of info here for you.
Insurance on the petrol one will be more than the tdi.
The tax on the petrol one is alot more than the tdi.
Better mpg in diesel.
I say diesel all the way. I aint saying the petrol aint good but if you can get same performace and keep the mpg then you laughing.
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i would plum for the 1.8t hands down being an owner of one of these that runs at 204bhp but if you like the mk2 that much buy a mk4 with an arse end shunt and put the 1.8t engine in the mk2! thats my opinion mate :grin:
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Thanks for the info guys.
Oh believe me I've already thought of putting a 1.8T into it. There's no way I can afford the labour or cost of engine and parts to do so at the moment though. Also, at my age I'm not sure I'd get insured on it. :laugh:
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I have owned both cars and the TDI is better by far, the tourque is unbeatable and you can get 50mpg. If you are willing to change the turbo on the TDI for a bigger beast then you will piss over 1.8t's all day long
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i hav 1 my self an by that i mean gti 1.8 turbo an trust me my friend the 1.8 changes your life for good at the end ov the day hu really wants a derv lol :evil:
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Get the diesel get the diesel :grin:
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definatley the 1.8t dude! there sweet! and having a diesel, to me, means get married, by a house, have kids..... etc! lol!
Turbos are all sweet tho, but go for the petrol! they are well good on fuel when driven properly, but when you boot it..... makes you feel alive! but the petrol gauge starts dying! lol!
PETROL!!!!!! :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
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Wish I could just get both! :laugh:
Btw, do any of you MK4 Golf owners live in Dartmoor? I saw a silver MK4 Golf TDi, whilst on holiday last month, and the owner was fitting an induction kit. Just wonder if he's a member on this forum?
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for those of you that watched top gear last night (09/12/2007) the top gear lads came third in class (diesel) the car that came first was a GT TDI 150, which came 13th overall, which the top gear lads 123 laps behind
There were 46 classified finishers and among the Golf's scalps were several Porsches, an Aston Martin, a Jaguar GT3 and a host of BMW M3s.
read more (http://uk-mkivs.net/blogs/uk-mkivs_articles/archive/2007/09/10/MKIV-Golf-TDI-wins-the-Silverstone-24-Hour-Diesel-Class.aspx)
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Never thought Id say this, but my vote went on the desiel.
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Never thought Id say this, but my vote went on the desiel.
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Never thought Id say this, but my vote went on the desiel.
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I know, I needed a swift drink after I read what I had just posted.
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Traitor!
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No no no no !
Its not like that really ! It really isnt. :D
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I went for a 1.8t due the the reduced cost when buying it.
It's just been remapped and I can still get over 40mpg over a 20 mile run to and from work when driving cautiously.
I suppose it all depends on how you like your power delivery and also how many miles you do.
Damo
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Thanks peeps, I'll bear all thoughts in mind. :cool:
Anyway, have a great Christmas folks. :smiley:
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Think I'm sold on the idea of the 1.8T version TBH. All I have to do now is get the funds together and test drive one. :smiley:
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Been doing a few car quotes recently and just wondering what the difference between the GT 150 and 1.8T was I tried both with direct line to find the GT 150 would actually cost me £128 more a year than the 1.8T. :shocked: The 1.8T would also cost me £133 more than the MK2 GTI 8v.
Think I'm just gonna do my MK2 up some more and enjoy it while I have it. I like it so why buy something else quite yet?! It's not like it's slow like a MK4 GTI non-turbo.
Thanks to all who took part in the poll. It was interesting to see how it turned out.