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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: maxamus on 03 December 2007, 16:08
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Hi
Im thinking of having my GTI revo'd. Theres a dealer in Darlington who can do it. Cost is £587 all in.
The remap takes the GTI upto 255bhp which is an icrease of 57bhp (Original GTI is 197BHP).
That to me seems like an aggresive upgrade as Bluefin only takes it upto 237bhp.
Has anyone had a Revo remap?
Any problems or issues?
Also, because the car will be putting out more power, what parts should i upgrade?
Im taking the car in on saturday to get the 5hr trial to see fi i like it or not :wink:
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is that the dealer on the a68?
A number of other users have been replacing the DV with a forge item. Apparently the location can lead to overheating. The Forge replacement is £140 irrc
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I agree with Pany. I am having my Ed30 done this week along with the DV at the same time. APR remap though. See below link for some pics and an explanation. :nerd:
http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/content.asp?inc=product&cat=1703DV&product=FMFSITVR
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For whatever reason Superchips have been conservative with their remap on the GTI, I'm sure they could squeeze more if they wanted to.
IMO the Revo remap is briliant, it gives a massive increase in midrange torque but it does tail off little at high revs. The tailing off is not a fault with the Revo map, its just how the GTI engine is.
If you decide yes after the trial...... actually, when :wink: you have it remapped after the trial make sure the dealer sets up the fuel, timing and boost properly. Get him to explain it to you.
I agree with Pany & Hurdy on the DV.
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I've had my Forge DV delivered today. There are instructions in English in the box.
Now I gotta find somebody to fit it in, as I am not doing it myself.
Thought of maybe going to Sportec, as they definitely speak English, but that will probably be expensive... :undecided:
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make sure the dealer sets up the fuel, timing and boost properly. Get him to explain it to you.
Sounds important. Care to elaborate.
Dont want to wreck the engine :embarassed:
This is one thing that worrys me about the Revo, its seems really aggresive. Thats why im now strating to look into Superchips Bluefin. Also, ive been reading that some people have had they clutches go after revo and problems with fuel, problems with revs etc etc
Nowim getting worried :embarassed:
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is that the dealer on the a68?
The MK4 Golf Centre
Unit 7
Nestfield Buildings
Barton Street
Darlington
DL12LP
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Custom Code have 30% too
http://www.custom-code.co.uk/
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Custom Code have 30% too
http://www.custom-code.co.uk/
not come across these guys before. What are they like...?
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A number of other users have been replacing the DV with a forge item. Apparently the location can lead to overheating. The Forge replacement is £140 irrc
Is that DV required if you only put your foot down now and then?
Isnt the DV placed in an ackward location on the GTI and in a different location on the ED30? I think i read somewhere it was...
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A number of other users have been replacing the DV with a forge item. Apparently the location can lead to overheating. The Forge replacement is £140 irrc
Is that DV required if you only put your foot down now and then?
Isnt the DV placed in an ackward location on the GTI and in a different location on the ED30? I think i read somewhere it was...
true, they are placed differently. VW understood there are problems with DV being close to turbo, so they moved it. Still people say it can blow, especially if you increase boost preassure, which you inevitably do when you chip it. So I bought Forge DV. I have it on a shelf in a box. :smiley:
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....Where is this idea that the Revo is "aggressive" coming from!? - It's NOT aggressive. Powerful, yes and also plenty torque. Particularly smooth on a DSG.
Stage2 Revo will be more aggressive but only if you also have hardware mods to bring it out.
Don't take all that much notice of the bhp numbers which tuners quote - They vary from day to day according to conditions and rolling road. Other mods will also contribute to the numbers. It's driveability which is all important.
The location of the DV isn't what gives a potential problem but the stock DV itself - The diaphram can tear when subjected to extra boost levels but there have been failures reported on standard cars too.
Forge DV is strongly recommended on any remapped GTI.
Modern VeeDubs are designed and built with about +40% 'headroom' (I'm independently told by more than one very experienced engineer). So, if you push the envelope it's best to keep within +40% parameters if you want to stay reliable in the long term. That translates to roughly 280 bhp and 300 ft lb for the DSG box.
:smiley:
[Great! I've just noticed the Santa hats!]
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....Where is this idea that the Revo is "aggressive" coming from!? - It's NOT aggressive. Powerful, yes and also plenty torque. Particularly smooth on a DSG.
Stage2 Revo will be more aggressive but only if you also have hardware mods to bring it out.
Don't take all that much notice of the bhp numbers which tuners quote - They vary from day to day according to conditions and rolling road. Other mods will also contribute to the numbers. It's driveability which is all important.
The location of the DV isn't what gives a potential problem but the stock DV itself - The diaphram can tear when subjected to extra boost levels but there have been failures reported on standard cars too.
Forge DV is strongly recommended on any remapped GTI.
Modern VeeDubs are designed and built with about +40% 'headroom' (I'm independently told by more than one very experienced engineer). So, if you push the envelope it's best to keep within +40% parameters if you want to stay reliable in the long term. That translates to roughly 280 bhp and 300 ft lb for the DSG box.
:smiley:
[Great! I've just noticed the Santa hats!]
And for the ED30 up to 318bhp and 300lb/ft :cool:
I would have probably gone for a Revo remap, but the Lure of the APR remap and it's ability to swap instantaneously from stock to power map and back with a touch of the cruise control proved a much better resolved option for me. :nerd:
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....Where is this idea that the Revo is "aggressive" coming from!? - It's NOT aggressive. Powerful, yes and also plenty torque. Particularly smooth on a DSG.
Stage2 Revo will be more aggressive but only if you also have hardware mods to bring it out.
Don't take all that much notice of the bhp numbers which tuners quote - They vary from day to day according to conditions and rolling road. Other mods will also contribute to the numbers. It's driveability which is all important.
The location of the DV isn't what gives a potential problem but the stock DV itself - The diaphram can tear when subjected to extra boost levels but there have been failures reported on standard cars too.
Forge DV is strongly recommended on any remapped GTI.
Modern VeeDubs are designed and built with about +40% 'headroom' (I'm independently told by more than one very experienced engineer). So, if you push the envelope it's best to keep within +40% parameters if you want to stay reliable in the long term. That translates to roughly 280 bhp and 300 ft lb for the DSG box.
:smiley:
[Great! I've just noticed the Santa hats!]
And for the ED30 up to 318bhp and 300lb/ft :cool:
I would have probably gone for a Revo remap, but the Lure of the APR remap and it's ability to swap instantaneously from stock to power map and back with a touch of the cruise control proved a much better resolved option for me. :nerd:
Now i like the sound of that!
Turning on the power when you need it!
I think i might look into APR because i know VW were fitting cruise control for £150 or was it £100, cant remember now.
APR remap will take it upto 252bhp and they are offering it for £499 which is good. The nearest APR dealer is in Manchester though which is too far :cry:
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....Where is this idea that the Revo is "aggressive" coming from!? - It's NOT aggressive. Powerful, yes and also plenty torque. Particularly smooth on a DSG.
Stage2 Revo will be more aggressive but only if you also have hardware mods to bring it out.
Don't take all that much notice of the bhp numbers which tuners quote - They vary from day to day according to conditions and rolling road. Other mods will also contribute to the numbers. It's driveability which is all important.
The location of the DV isn't what gives a potential problem but the stock DV itself - The diaphram can tear when subjected to extra boost levels but there have been failures reported on standard cars too.
Forge DV is strongly recommended on any remapped GTI.
Modern VeeDubs are designed and built with about +40% 'headroom' (I'm independently told by more than one very experienced engineer). So, if you push the envelope it's best to keep within +40% parameters if you want to stay reliable in the long term. That translates to roughly 280 bhp and 300 ft lb for the DSG box.
:smiley:
[Great! I've just noticed the Santa hats!]
Thanks Robin. Helpful as always.
I just feel abit twitchy about modding the engine and ive been reading stories of people have problems with they clutch, the fuel delivary and the way the torque is applied aorund 5,000 revs etc etc.
And now my warranty has expired i dont want to mess the engine or any parts up because it would be very costly and if the remap will cause problems then its useless which would mean it would be a waste of money. Thats why i need to be certain.
I use the word "aggresive" as quoted from other forums. People mention it was more hardcore than Superchips. The thing i like about the superchipsis the way it can be installed at home and can be turned on and off at my leisure rather than taking it to a dealer. Also the boost feels more natural as its only 40bhp above the default.
Am i worrying too much ?
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....I agree that the APR switchability is far easier than the Revo. However, I hope it's not switchable with the cruise stalk by mistake!!
Bear in mind that any change to the ECU takes about 100 miles to settle each time you switch, either way. This especially applies to the DSG control unit.
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....Where is this idea that the Revo is "aggressive" coming from!? - It's NOT aggressive. Powerful, yes and also plenty torque. Particularly smooth on a DSG.
Stage2 Revo will be more aggressive but only if you also have hardware mods to bring it out.
Don't take all that much notice of the bhp numbers which tuners quote - They vary from day to day according to conditions and rolling road. Other mods will also contribute to the numbers. It's driveability which is all important.
The location of the DV isn't what gives a potential problem but the stock DV itself - The diaphram can tear when subjected to extra boost levels but there have been failures reported on standard cars too.
Forge DV is strongly recommended on any remapped GTI.
Modern VeeDubs are designed and built with about +40% 'headroom' (I'm independently told by more than one very experienced engineer). So, if you push the envelope it's best to keep within +40% parameters if you want to stay reliable in the long term. That translates to roughly 280 bhp and 300 ft lb for the DSG box.
:smiley:
[Great! I've just noticed the Santa hats!]
And for the ED30 up to 318bhp and 300lb/ft :cool:
I would have probably gone for a Revo remap, but the Lure of the APR remap and it's ability to swap instantaneously from stock to power map and back with a touch of the cruise control proved a much better resolved option for me. :nerd:
Now i like the sound of that!
Turning on the power when you need it!
I think i might look into APR because i know VW were fitting cruise control for £150 or was it £100, cant remember now.
APR remap will take it upto 252bhp and they are offering it for £499 which is good. The nearest APR dealer is in Manchester though which is too far :cry:
It's not too far! Consider it a pilgrimage and not a journey and it becomes an experience. Go home the winding road way and you'll enjoy the remap even more :cool:
Dealer fit cruise is £150. :nerd:
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It's not too far! Consider it a pilgrimage and not a journey and it becomes an experience. Go home the winding road way and you'll enjoy the remap even more :cool:
Dealer fit cruise is £150. :nerd:
yes but then when car goes in for a service and they update my software then i would need to drive all teh way down manchester to get it installed again :sad:
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....I agree that the APR switchability is far easier than the Revo. However, I hope it's not switchable with the cruise stalk by mistake!!
Bear in mind that any change to the ECU takes about 100 miles to settle each time you switch, either way. This especially applies to the DSG control unit.
I have been assured that it takes more than a brief touch (couple of seconds press)
Most of my road journeys will be with the map on standard. It will mainly be journeys to trackdays and 1/4 milers that the map will be used. This way I can live with it easier knowing that longevity of engine parts should not be too much of an issue. :nerd:
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It's not too far! Consider it a pilgrimage and not a journey and it becomes an experience. Go home the winding road way and you'll enjoy the remap even more :cool:
Dealer fit cruise is £150. :nerd:
yes but then when car goes in for a service and they update my software then i would need to drive all teh way down manchester to get it installed again :sad:
No it shouldn't. That is the beauty of the APR map. Switch it to the standard map and if VW need to do an upgrade it will only alter that map and not one of the other selectable files. :nerd:
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Thanks Robin. Helpful as always.
I just feel abit twitchy about modding the engine and ive been reading stories of people have problems with they clutch, the fuel delivary and the way the torque is applied about 5,000 revs etc etc.
And now my warranty has expired i dont want to mess the engine or any parts up because it would be very costly and if the remap will cause problems then its useless which would mean it would be a waste of money. Thats why i need to be certain.
....Totally understood. I went through exactly the same concerns especially as my GTI is DSG. I concluded after many months of research and talking to all sorts of people, that a remap by one of the well established tuners such as Revo, APR, Bluefin, all of which give aftersales support, would be as safe as possible. Afterall, they have so much to lose if they get it wrong and if only just a few dissatisfied customers start complaining on the car forums and by word of mouth. Look what happened to AmD - they used to have an excellent reputation.
Keep it to Stage1 and you aren't straining the envelope. Maintain your car regularly and fully (oil+filter every 10,000 miles and plugs every 20,000) and you should be alright.
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No it shouldn't. That is the beauty of the APR map. Switch it to the standard map and if VW need to do an upgrade it will only alter that map and not one of the other selectable files. :nerd:
But apparently, Revo always use the latest software from VW and applys that to their remaps so that its better compatibility so the map is always updated.
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Most of my road journeys will be with the map on standard. It will mainly be journeys to trackdays and 1/4 milers that the map will be used.
.... :grin: Famous last words!! I must bookmark this post so I can quote you!
Are you really going to be able to stay stock after you have experienced the remap? Once you have experienced how much more you can both quickly and safely overtake, you'll be suckered in.
How long shall we give Hurdy before he succumbs, guys? :smiley:
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No it shouldn't. That is the beauty of the APR map. Switch it to the standard map and if VW need to do an upgrade it will only alter that map and not one of the other selectable files. :nerd:
But apparently, Revo always use the latest software from VW and applys that to their remaps so that its better compatibility so the map is always updated.
Revo will be overwritten by a VW update in the future if you took it in for a service though. The APR power map wouldn't be affected.
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Most of my road journeys will be with the map on standard. It will mainly be journeys to trackdays and 1/4 milers that the map will be used.
.... :grin: Famous last words!! I must bookmark this post so I can quote you!
Are you really going to be able to stay stock after you have experienced the remap? Once you have experienced how much more you can both quickly and safely overtake, you'll be suckered in.
How long shall we give Hurdy before he succumbs, guys? :smiley:
:rolleyes: :evil: :embarassed:
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No it shouldn't. That is the beauty of the APR map. Switch it to the standard map and if VW need to do an upgrade it will only alter that map and not one of the other selectable files. :nerd:
But apparently, Revo always use the latest software from VW and applys that to their remaps so that its better compatibility so the map is always updated.
....Just to clarify that. You are both right:
You should always switch to stock map if able so that the VW dealer can download onto an expected status of ECU with far less risk of software conflicts.
I think that Revo aren't the only tuners who recieve VW's ECU updates within days of their release so that they can in turn modify their maps appropriately. These updated remaps are then installed as if for the first time.
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Thanks Robin. Helpful as always.
I just feel abit twitchy about modding the engine and ive been reading stories of people have problems with they clutch, the fuel delivary and the way the torque is applied about 5,000 revs etc etc.
And now my warranty has expired i dont want to mess the engine or any parts up because it would be very costly and if the remap will cause problems then its useless which would mean it would be a waste of money. Thats why i need to be certain.
....Totally understood. I went through exactly the same concerns especially as my GTI is DSG. I concluded after many months of research and talking to all sorts of people, that a remap by one of the well established tuners such as Revo, APR, Bluefin, all of which give aftersales support, would be as safe as possible. Afterall, they have so much to lose if they get it wrong and if only just a few dissatisfied customers start complaining on the car forums and by word of mouth. Look what happened to AmD - they used to have an excellent reputation.
Keep it to Stage1 and you aren't straining the envelope. Maintain your car regularly and fully (oil+filter every 10,000 miles and plugs every 20,000) and you should be alright.
Thanks Robin.
Great advice as always :smiley:
As your one of the members whose opinion is respect here i think you have turned me. I admit that i am being over the top with this remap but thats to preserve the car.
I think i will get the Revo done and then in the near future get the DV changed. Im not an aggresive driver 80% of the time.
Generally, i always keep it below 3500 - 4000 revs during normal driving which is through the week as it only does around 80miles. During the weekend i sometimes give it the welly but even then it might be just once or twice that it goes past 6,000 revs.
In the past 2 weeks i've only really been aggresive twice. Once was when i took it to 130mph when i was joining a motorway and the other time was when i raced my mates BMW 735 from the lights (which he struggled with keeping up :smiley:). IF anything the car was being worked to its max for around 60seconds combined from the two episodes i've talked about above. That too me does not suggest im an aggresive driver??
What do you say?
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No it shouldn't. That is the beauty of the APR map. Switch it to the standard map and if VW need to do an upgrade it will only alter that map and not one of the other selectable files. :nerd:
But apparently, Revo always use the latest software from VW and applys that to their remaps so that its better compatibility so the map is always updated.
You should always switch to stock map if able so that the VW dealer can download onto an expected status of ECU with far less risk of software conflicts.
The local Revo tuner has said that when the car goes in for a major service or a software update, VW will flash the software on their which would rule out the remap. The dealer said i would just need to bring the car back and he would reapply the map free of charge
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Revo will be overwritten by a VW update in the future if you took it in for a service though. The APR power map wouldn't be affected.
....Not necessarily in my experience. It depends on the VW update - 24K6 gave problems but others haven't. I would strongly suspect that the APR would only not be potentially effected if it wasn't switched on.
It's no problem if you've got switchability anyway - Just switch to stock map for all VW workshop sessions.
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Quite honestly, although I am totally satisfied with Revo's Stage1, I would have very seriously considered APR's offering if it had been available when I remapped, especially as Awesome offer it and I have lots of respect for Awesome. Manchester is a bit far though! My Revo tuner is 2 hrs drive away and not the closest Revo agent but I really trust the guy (Jim at JKM Portsmouth) and know that he's one of Revo's most respected. Which brings me to the point that it's very important to trust your tuner and his abilities and equipment etc.
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Robin / Hurdy,
whats this about setting up the fuel, timing and boost properly on Revo maps?
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Robin / Hurdy,
whats this about setting up the fuel, timing and boost properly on Revo maps?
.... :rolleyes: I've been trying to go to bed for the last hour!!!! :grin:
A good tuner will look after the best settings. It's best to go to a tuner who uses a rolling road and who will spend time doing the job both on the rollers and out on the road with a laptop.
I'm off to bed!!!!!!!!!
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Robin / Hurdy,
whats this about setting up the fuel, timing and boost properly on Revo maps?
Fuel (mix of air and fuel and type-95 ron, 98 ron etc)
Timing (advancing/retarding)
Boost (increasing /decreasing)
These are all interlinked and need setting up to each other to give you the best combination and ergo the best power remap and the best power/torque curves.
Get it right and you have a progressive powerful torque and power curve throughout the rev range. Get it wrong and your map will have the power/torque at on end or the other end of the curve and the engine will feel peaky at high revs or flat at high revs and the opposite at low revs. You can also get other issues like detonation, fuel starvation etc.
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Robin / Hurdy,
whats this about setting up the fuel, timing and boost properly on Revo maps?
.... :rolleyes: I've been trying to go to bed for the last hour!!!! :grin:
A good tuner will look after the best settings. It's best to go to a tuner who uses a rolling road and who will spend time doing the job both on the rollers and out on the road with a laptop.
I'm off to bed!!!!!!!!!
Me too.
Us old uns need our beauty sleep you know :rolleyes: :wink:
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Robin / Hurdy,
whats this about setting up the fuel, timing and boost properly on Revo maps?
Get it right and you have a progressive powerful torque and power curve throughout the rev range. Get it wrong and your map will have the power/torque at on end or the other end of the curve and the engine will feel peaky at high revs or flat at high revs and the opposite at low revs. You can also get other issues like detonation, fuel starvation etc.
Sounds like a delicate balance. I thought it was a simple remap of software and off you off. So each car has an individual remap? Are Revo's not generic?
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Custom Code have 30% too
http://www.custom-code.co.uk/
not come across these guys before. What are they like...?
possibly a little late to answer this now.... :embarassed:
from what i've read and experienced (albeit in a diesel) i found Custom Code to give the smoothest drive; i found Revo a little harsh; as in on or off but that could be symptamtic of the limited rev range in a diesel :undecided: i found Custom Code to pull harder and cleaner through the entire range. i suppose the feeling depends on your own individual driving style; i'd recommend trying to drive a couple of cars with different maps to see which you prefer as ultimately you have to live with it on a day to day basis
Based on my own experiences I'll be going for Custom Code; Plus as it works out at £300 for a remap its got to be a bit of a bargain :smiley:
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make sure the dealer sets up the fuel, timing and boost properly. Get him to explain it to you.
Sounds important. Care to elaborate.
Dont want to wreck the engine :embarassed:
This is one thing that worrys me about the Revo, its seems really aggresive. Thats why im now strating to look into Superchips Bluefin. Also, ive been reading that some people have had they clutches go after revo and problems with fuel, problems with revs etc etc
Nowim getting worried :embarassed:
The reason I mention this is that my Revo dealer (also highly respected by Revo) did not setup my car correctly. The fuel was set at the opposite end of the scale, the timing was to far advanced and the boost was set to high therefore the ecu was "pulling back" heavily. Top end was very weak and midrange torque was very peaky.
I spoke to Revo and went to their head office. They data logged the car with VAGCOM and set it up properly. I believe this is what any decent Revo dealer should do as no 2 cars are the same.
I dont believe the incorrect settings can damage the engine because of the ecu's safety parameters.
Not heard of custom code but they do sound interesting. If I knew at the time I would have checked them out as well.
I'm sure you'll have a big :grin: after your trial...
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make sure the dealer sets up the fuel, timing and boost properly. Get him to explain it to you.
Sounds important. Care to elaborate.
Dont want to wreck the engine :embarassed:
This is one thing that worrys me about the Revo, its seems really aggresive. Thats why im now strating to look into Superchips Bluefin. Also, ive been reading that some people have had they clutches go after revo and problems with fuel, problems with revs etc etc
Nowim getting worried :embarassed:
The reason I mention this is that my Revo dealer (also highly respected by Revo) did not setup my car correctly. The fuel was set at the opposite end of the scale, the timing was to far advanced and the boost was set to high therefore the ecu was "pulling back" heavily. Top end was very weak and midrange torque was very peaky.
I spoke to Revo and went to their head office. They data logged the car with VAGCOM and set it up properly. I believe this is what any decent Revo dealer should do as no 2 cars are the same.
I dont believe the incorrect settings can damage the engine because of the ecu's safety parameters.
Not heard of custom code but they do sound interesting. If I knew at the time I would have checked them out as well.
I'm sure you'll have a big :grin: after your trial...
Cheers for that.
So the car would need to be data logged with VAGCOM.
Out of curiosity, what settings are the norm on the revo? Is it 9,8,8 or something?
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Had a closer look at Custom-Code. I do like how they say that they remap is smooth with power gains through out the whole rev range.
Is this also true for the revo because i've heard that its can be "on and off" and "jerky"....
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Cheers for that.
So the car would need to be data logged with VAGCOM.
Out of curiosity, what settings are the norm on the revo? Is it 9,8,8 or something?
If conservative settings are used then no. If you want to get the most out of it yes. They'll ask what octane fuel you're using and how you drive the car to help determine the settings.
For my car, good basic settings without data logging would have been 9,5,5. The Revo dealer set it to 0,8,7 :huh:
IMO the Revo is not jerky at all. Yes, there is a surge of power when the turbo kicks, is this what some are saying as on/off?? Also power delivery can be altered to a certain degree by the settings.
For me, I was bored after a week and desperatly wanted more power which is why I'd like an ed30, but give that a month and i'd still want more..
Try them both before you buy...
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Cheers for that.
So the car would need to be data logged with VAGCOM.
Out of curiosity, what settings are the norm on the revo? Is it 9,8,8 or something?
1. They'll ask what octane fuel you're using and how you drive the car to help determine the settings.
For my car, good basic settings without data logging would have been 9,5,5. The Revo dealer set it to 0,8,7 :huh:
2. IMO the Revo is not jerky at all. Yes, there is a surge of power when the turbo kicks, is this what some are saying as on/off?? Also power delivery can be altered to a certain degree by the settings.
3. Try them both before you buy...
1. I generally use RON 98 and V-Power
2. When you say a surge in power when the power kicks in, is that different from the standard vw map? on the standard gti the torque kicks in around 2000 revs and you can really feel it. Is it the same on revo or does it kick in at much higher revs? I dont really like the power kicking on at higher revs like the civics, i like it the way it as at the moment with power kicking in at lower revs.
3. Dont think Custom Code do a trial :sad:
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2. When you say a surge in power when the power kicks in, is that different from the standard vw map? on the standard gti the torque kicks in around 2000 revs and you can really feel it. Is it the same on revo or does it kick in at much higher revs? I dont really like the power kicking on at higher revs like the civics, i like it the way it as at the moment with power kicking in at lower revs.
3. Dont think Custom Code do a trial :sad:
2, Its similar to the standard gti, just lots more of it, especialy in the midrange and nothing like a ctr. From what you said earlier this should suit your driving style.
3, Oh well, stick to Revo :wink:
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Thanks Kiddfrost :smiley:
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....I can only report that my Revo Stage1 has been individually installed and tested by the agent, including rolling road and laptop VAG-Com etc and is very smooth - Just like the stock GTI but more power throughout. Use the gears to exploit the most power instead of just high revs.
Any other performance mods a car has will make a difference. :cool:
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....I can only report that my Revo Stage1 has been individually installed and tested by the agent, including rolling road and laptop VAG-Com etc and is very smooth - Just like the stock GTI but more power throughout. Use the gears to exploit the most power instead of just high revs.
Any other performance mods a car has will make a difference. :cool:
Cheers. I think im convinced. Now i just need to rape my bank account :grin:
Been raping it since i got the car, its why im always skint :undecided:
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Out of curiousity, what setting are all you people using on your revo remaps?
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Performance tuner does a write up that explains a bit more about the process for a REVO tune, and the variables that can be altered. Might be of interest
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Performance tuner does a write up that explains a bit more about the process for a REVO tune, and the variables that can be altered. Might be of interest
linky?
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Out of curiousity, what setting are all you people using on your revo remaps?
....I've absolutely no idea! I only know how she feels to drive and how that feel is in comparison to stock. :smiley:
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How are you guys finding the power curve on your correctly set up GTI's with Revo, I'm looking for a map for the TFSI in my Leon, but I want as much as possible a linear power delivery until as close as possible to the red line, what turns me off is the tailing off of power at 5.5k revs that I keep hearing about. What about bluefin and APR how do these fare with the power delivery in that sense??
To me a lot of torque mid range will just remind me of a TDI whereas personally I like to enjoy a bit of both worlds enjoying the torque and also getting a bigger rush from 4.5k - 6.5k revs once or twice a week. With a TDI (and perphaps the revo from what I read) you get nothing much extra the once or twice a week you really want to push it.
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I've used APR on my last GTi and the ED30 and like the delivery with both. Maybe the reason the Revo map feels like it drops off so much at the top end is the fact its really strong in the midrange, I know some have reported issues with the clutch with the Revo map maybe this is why?, having not tried it I'm just guessing. The APR remap is nice and progressive just more than standard everywhere.
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Maybe the reason the Revo map feels like it drops off so much at the top end is the fact its really strong in the midrange, I know some have reported issues with the clutch with the Revo map maybe this is why?
Ideally i would like smooth power from 2,000 revs all the way upto 6,000. If the clutch did go then it would be around £800 to replace so its not cheap :embarassed:
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Maxamus,
Go and have the free trial then see what you think. I had it a few weks ago and found it to be a more powerful version of the std map. No peaks or surges - just quick. I would say it was spot on for the GTI.
I am personally holding off as it is a bad time of the year to be shelling out £587 on a remap, but I will be going down the Revo route when funds allow. (group buy anyone?)
I too have read all the various posts about clutches and had concerns, but I think these clutch concerns we have seen were problems that may already existed on certain cars and were amplified by the Remap. This was the reason I went for the 5hr trial. My clutch seemed to be responding fine on the trial, no slip at all.
With regard to the software flashes at the Dealer: You have already stated that your car is out of warranty, when servicing your GTI you can request that no flashes are applied. You are already running a different map, what use would the std flash be to you? I am sure if you keep in touch with your Revo agent you will be informed of any updates that are needed.
Forge DV: if it fails, then I will get it fixed. Sure it will be fine for at least a couple of months/year.
Off topic: nice pics in your sig. What bulbs you got in your fogs/sides/mains?
Cheers,
Chris.
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Maybe the reason the Revo map feels like it drops off so much at the top end is the fact its really strong in the midrange, I know some have reported issues with the clutch with the Revo map maybe this is why?
Ideally i would like smooth power from 2,000 revs all the way upto 6,000. If the clutch did go then it would be around £800 to replace so its not cheap :embarassed:
clutch will only go if you don't continue to drive it in your normal manner; i.e. changing down and not labouring the engine. Clutches tend to wear out quicker if you try accelerating hard from 6th gear at 30mph!
Most tuners will adjust your map anyway to ensure that its with the tolerances of the factory clutch :smiley:
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Maybe the reason the Revo map feels like it drops off so much at the top end is the fact its really strong in the midrange, I know some have reported issues with the clutch with the Revo map maybe this is why?
Ideally i would like smooth power from 2,000 revs all the way upto 6,000. If the clutch did go then it would be around £800 to replace so its not cheap :embarassed:
clutch will only go if you don't continue to drive it in your normal manner; i.e. changing down and not labouring the engine. Clutches tend to wear out quicker if you try accelerating hard from 6th gear at 30mph!
Most tuners will adjust your map anyway to ensure that its with the tolerances of the factory clutch :smiley:
Oh no :sad:
I generally have the car in 4th gear at 35mph and 5th gear when it goes past 40mph - saves on the mpg's :smiley: But i never accelerate hard when im doing that, i be gentle with the acceleration.
Looks like im going to have to start working it then....
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Maxamus,
Go and have the free trial then see what you think. I had it a few weks ago and found it to be a more powerful version of the std map. No peaks or surges - just quick. I would say it was spot on for the GTI.
I am personally holding off as it is a bad time of the year to be shelling out £587 on a remap, but I will be going down the Revo route when funds allow. (group buy anyone?)
I too have read all the various posts about clutches and had concerns, but I think these clutch concerns we have seen were problems that may already existed on certain cars and were amplified by the Remap. This was the reason I went for the 5hr trial. My clutch seemed to be responding fine on the trial, no slip at all.
With regard to the software flashes at the Dealer: You have already stated that your car is out of warranty, when servicing your GTI you can request that no flashes are applied. You are already running a different map, what use would the std flash be to you? I am sure if you keep in touch with your Revo agent you will be informed of any updates that are needed.
Forge DV: if it fails, then I will get it fixed. Sure it will be fine for at least a couple of months/year.
Off topic: nice pics in your sig. What bulbs you got in your fogs/sides/mains?
Cheers,
Chris.
Thanks for the advice.
The revo sounds perfect for me as i prefer the way the gti is setup in terms of performance and would just like to add to that.
What do you and people mean when they say "clutch slip".
Yes as for the Forge DV, i will get that done 4/6 months down the line.
The bulbs are standard VW ones mate
PS. Group buy would be good
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What do you and people mean when they say "clutch slip".
they way i understand clutch slip is that when you accelerate your revs increase but your speed doesn't. Then you suddenly lurch forward as the clutch finds purchase and begins accelerating. Usually happens in a high gear initially
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Any one know how the adjustable Re Map works with a car that has cruise control fitted to there car? i.e. how do you change the re map when driving with cruise control set?
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Any one know how the adjustable Re Map works with a car that has cruise control fitted to there car? i.e. how do you change the re map when driving with cruise control set?
i believe you can only do it when ignition is off. You cant do it once engine is rolling
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Have you taken the plunge yet? If so which option did you go with and are you happy with the results?
Also where on the site do you go to add pictures and other details?
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With regard to the software flashes at the Dealer: You have already stated that your car is out of warranty, when servicing your GTI you can request that no flashes are applied. You are already running a different map, what use would the std flash be to you? I am sure if you keep in touch with your Revo agent you will be informed of any updates that are needed.
Forge DV: if it fails, then I will get it fixed. Sure it will be fine for at least a couple of months/year.
....You can request it but you may then have to sign an agreement that they are not responsible for certain subsequent issues. Anyway, a VW dealer will load an update as a matter of standard required practice and may ignore your request. It would be foolish to refuse an update which may contain fixes for things which have absolutely nothing to do with the performance tune.
Forge have a strong reputation for standing by their products and so you need not have any worries there.
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Have you taken the plunge yet? If so which option did you go with and are you happy with the results?
Also where on the site do you go to add pictures and other details?
Havent had it done yet.
You need to add pictures to imageshak or photo-bucket and then link them to this forum. To add pics to your signiture go to "Quicklinks" above
and select Edit Profile and then edit details there
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Just to confirm, with the APR map and cruise control swithability, it can only be done when stationary and engine off.
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