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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: golfvr6 on 14 March 2004, 19:56
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Lets settle this one once and for all....
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No... 60bhp Golf is SLOW
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VR, u always press the red butons dont ya ;)
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Define slow.
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Slower than a mk2 gti8v, or like my 1.3.....haha
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Define slow.
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mk3 8v. nuff said.get a proper gti.
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f**k OFF SLAGGING THIS CAR OFF.. AND f**k OFF SLAGGING MODERN CARS OFF... f**kING SICK AND TIRED OF THIS BULLsh!t ...
US MK3 AND MK4 OWNERS LOVE OUR CARS... JUST COS THERE NOT SQUARE AND STILL HAVE THE ORIGINAL PAINTWORK DOESNT MAKE EM sh!tE.
THE MK3 8v IS CAPABLE 9.8secs TO 60 AS QUOTED BY PARKERS... IF U READ THE f**kING GTI THREAD IN THE VW RELATED FORUM YOU'LL SEE THAT PEOPLE HAVE SAID THE 8V MK3 IS 8.7SECS BUT THATS A BIT OPTIMISTIC FOR MY LIKING.
U WANNA START SLAGGING THE MK3 OFF.. DO IT... JUST f**k OFF OUTTA THIS FORUM... THIS IS THE MK3 FORUM, U HAVE A NOVA'ESQUE MARK2... U DONT BELOND HERE.
VW BRANDED THIS AND THE MK4 8v A "GTI" ... MAYBE VW DECIDED... f**k GTI's THERE sh!t... THE "FAST" ONES ARE NOW BRANDED "R" ... GTI MIGHT BE DEAD WHO KNOWS... f**k, I SAVED FOR f**kING AGES TO BUY THIS CAR, WHICH HAS LOW MILEAGE, MINT ORIGINAL PAINTWORK & FSH... U WANNA SLAG IT OFF?? U WANNA SLAG MY CAR OFF??? HUH? GO DO IT ON SUM OTHER f**kING SITE... U WANNA SLAG OFF A GTI BRANDED CAR?? THEN YOUR A COCK SUCKER.
Slower than a mk2 gti8v, or like my 1.3.....haha
U WANNA PISS ME OFF TOO?? DO YA?
UR f**kING PRISSY 8v MK2 AINT SUPER HOT EITHER. ... AND f**k THAT 1.3 UR JUST MAKING YASELF LOOK LIKE A TIT.
IVE SWORE ALOT IN THIS AND JV WONT BE TOO HAPPY... BUT FOR f**k SAKE... GET OVER IT.. THE MK3 & MK4 8v's ARE GTI's .... NOW f**k OFF.
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you tit shut the f**k up.
the only thing gti on that car is the badge.
vote slow
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you tit shut the f**k up.
the only thing gti on that car is the badge.
vote slow
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somebody got out of bed the wrong way listen mark3 and 4 8v's are slow as sh1t ive had the mark 4 and ive driven the mark 3 ive had a mark 1 campaign and now got a mark2 8v and believe it m8 the mark 2's are quick enough you would be seeing my arse if i was to race you.............
and the mark4 2.0 gti 8v is not a gti in germany just here...sorry but its a badge ur getting not what the gti truly stands for
lets just say you have a comfortable slow golf and leave it as that
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the mk4 stuff is all messed up, they used the same badges on different models, so its hard to tell whats what.
i dont think you can tell a 1.8T from the others.. or between the two variants of v5.
so... apart from the 170bhp v5 and the 180 bhp 1.8t, the 4motion and r32 i'm happy knowing i can roast most of em 8)
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Its pretty easy to tell the differences between the Mk4's, if you know what to look for -
Non-turbo models (V5 excluded) run 15" instead of 16" wheels as standard.
Also 99% of the turbo's have three rear headrests, which is the biggest and easiest giveaway to spot.
I have none of models you mentioned, and doubt you could 'roast' me :-\
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I don't think that the mk3 8v can be called slow, it just happens to be slower than other gti's, the 1.4 polo that i have now that is slow, but i still like it :). Its a bit harsh to slag peoples cars off just cos they arn't as quick as yours, after all they are all vw's and all gti's no matter how quick they are.
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ok couldnt roast ya.. but its a fairly even match :)
its kinda hard to see wheels from front or back, the headrests thing is useful to know.. I read somewhere that UK dealers put various badges on the cars, with and without the red 'I' etc etc.. unless its a 4motion or r32 so you cant really tell from behind.
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yeah, I think if a car left the factory with any badge on the back, VW were happy.
Rough rule of thumb is 1.8t's and PD150's use the GTI badge with the red i
Lesser PD's are badged as TDI's.
Normally aspirated petrol GTI's use the all silver badge (Some badged as 2.0 GTI).
This is however a rough rule, and with so many people changing badges too, you don't stand a chance in identifying them!
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yup yup... theres a sleeper vr6 around here. the only identification is those little vr6 badges on the side trim.
i think the main thing i heard about is that there are NA mk4s with the red I on them.. have a feeling i read that in a buyers guide as a warning.
also.. i have a feeling 8v mk3s dont have rear headrests.. hmm :)
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Theyre slow compared to Vr's or 16v's yet quicker than the other models in the mk3 range :P
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A friend of mine has an 8v and we had a little car swap this weekend.
The 8v is ok i think, it pulled well from the start, and at low speeds was similar to the 16v, but i really noticed the difference on dual carriageways over 70. Acceleration from 70 to 100 is pretty weak in the 8v. In the 16v when you get to 90 in fifth you get a steady surge of acceleration, in the 8v it all comes to a whimpering end about there, and anything else is seemed bit of a struggle in comparison.
Overall i thought the 8v has similar charachteristics to any average 2litre car. It's not a 'slow' car but neither is it a performance car.
If i had one i wouldn't be shouting my mouth off about all the cars i think i can humiliate (dangerous ground even in a 16v) but if i was too young to insure anything better i would be very satisfied with it.
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I don't think that the mk3 8v can be called slow, it just happens to be slower than other gti's, the 1.4 polo that i have now that is slow, but i still like it :). Its a bit harsh to slag peoples cars off just cos they arn't as quick as yours, after all they are all vw's and all gti's no matter how quick they are.
Well said!! I chose a mk3 8v as I knew the age and spec of the car I wanted and so my budget couldnt stretch to a 16v, and at the time the insurance was a lot more than for a 16v and I didnt want an old mk 1 or 2. If a car is so 'slow' surely it would be whooped throughout the complete rev range and speed?? Doesnt the 8v GTI produce more torque than a 16v at 50 (??). (There was a link ages ago with detailed torque ranges posted by richandhazel but the link no longer works).
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I don't think that the mk3 8v can be called slow, it just happens to be slower than other gti's, the 1.4 polo that i have now that is slow, but i still like it . Its a bit harsh to slag peoples cars off just cos they arn't as quick as yours, after all they are all vw's and all gti's no matter how quick they are.
Thank you...
Well said!! I chose a mk3 8v as I knew the age and spec of the car I wanted and so my budget couldnt stretch to a 16v, and at the time the insurance was a lot more than for a 16v and I didnt want an old mk 1 or 2. If a car is so 'slow' surely it would be whooped throughout the complete rev range and speed?? Doesnt the 8v GTI produce more torque than a 16v at 50 (??). (There was a link ages ago with detailed torque ranges posted by richandhazel but the link no longer works).
Same boat as u mate.. I was 18 when I bought mine.
People seem to enjoy slagging it off ... but ... what did they drive @ 18?
Fiesta? LOL
Saxo? LMAO
Punto? Ok Im getting carried away.
Rest assured mr Veedub8v when Im 22, I'll have summet that'll be faster than this and faster than that "Sherman" u drive now.
But ... considering speed limits are being reduced... does it make a difference? No... what DOES make a difference is ... Mines newer than yours.
In 1990 VW prolly said ... This mk2 is long in the tooth.. and a bit sh!t ... lets make it more modern and the mk3 was born. THAT WAS 1990 14 YEARS AGO!!!
Ya prehistoric now ... at least the mk1 can say "IM THE ORIGINAL & THE BEST"
ur mk2 can say ... Im a wannabe like the rest... im just lighter and more vulnerable in crashes compared to newer... and like it or not... BETTER models..
VW wouldnt bring newer cars out IF THEY WERENT BETTER.
Nuff said.
EVOLUTION.
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dont take it seriously '8vGti', Mr VR6 is just winding up 'Black_Gti' as most are.
I dont think anyone here really gives a toss more than 'Black_Gti' about being the fastest kid on the block.
..........most of us dont worry about wether Kevin or Garry are 0.3 secs faster around the Burger King Car park in a Saxo or Nova.
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its not us slagging off your slow car. we dont need to everyone knows there slow and not real gti's. its just you need to stop bigging it up and telling us everytime you overtake a car. its f**king boring mate. have you noticed anyone with quick golfs boasting about how quick they are??
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by the way i pissed all over a corsa today ;D ;D
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Hi guys
I think im gonna have to the agree with the majority of the views regrading the 8v. ive got a mint 96 8v with 70k on the clock and hav had it for bt 8 months now and am slightly disapointed at its speed. I previously had a MK 1.6 driver which was slow so I expected a lot more umph from a 2litre. All im getting is a normal 2litre car which gives me 28mpg without me puttin my foot down.
I jus wanna sell it a get an oil burner which im told is a lot faster and more economical.
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its not us slagging off your slow car. we dont need to everyone knows there slow and not real gti's. its just you need to stop bigging it up and telling us everytime you overtake a car. its f**king boring mate. have you noticed anyone with quick golfs boasting about how quick they are??
hit the nail on the head. people retaliate because all kid does is brag about how fast it is. plus the attitude problem doesnt help. shouting and typing in caps doesnt make you hard.
the main reason i bought my car is because i had some situations in my old car that could have been avoided in a more powerful car. driving at motorway speeds wasnt a nice experience in some circumstances. (thingys who block you want to exit or in dodgy weather conditions)
i could care less about 0-60 speeds. for me, the performance really matters and is an advantage is when you're out on the open road or motorway.
i dont normally drive to race like some people.. but since these posts here i've tried to see what an 8v is like.. fact is over 50 they cant keep up with me, and i've seen the bewildered expression on their faces. a similar thing happens with a vr6, i can just about keep up until about 80. i'd guess-timate that the 3 models are probably evenly spaced out performance wise.
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i agree. it is amusing to wind black_gti up tho ;)
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depends really. i'm a pretty fair and straight down the line person, if he has a point he has a point, if he's talking arse then he's talkin arse.. :)
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F*ck me, people take things abit seriously sometimes on this forum!!
Here's my take...
The motoring press have p*ssed on the Mk3 (execpt the VR6) / Mk4 in every single petrol guise. Face facts - if you want a really good handling NEW hot hatch you wouldn't buy a Golk Mk4 - an RS Focus or even a 306 XSi would be better. We (me included) love GTis, but it's more about image than anything else. VW haven't built a truly good hot hatch since the 1980s - every other marque has been pi55ing on them - but they've survived because of their fantastic quality and image / branding. Get over it guys, our cars are not the best handling / fastest on the block - at least not in 'stock' form. We all know that - but we just love the feel of them. That's what it's all about.
If you want a great handling fast car - get a 306 2.0 - I've got one (well, the wife has any road). Handles great, quick etc etc, but I don't like it as much as my car. No image / qualtiy ya see.
Chill out guys and be a bit more objective!
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Well said Golfer!!
Each to their own and all that,but i used to have an 8v Mk2 then an 8v Mk3 and it was slooooooow in comparison. But it was well built and reasonably well equiped after the Mk2 so you can't have it all.......
Until you get a Vr!!!
Black_GTI , chill out, enjoy what you've got and if not get rid! ;)
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i agree. it is amusing to wind black_gti up tho
f**k off.
Black_GTI , chill out, enjoy what you've got and if not get rid!
hmm when all people do is boast about how big their thingy's are by slagging the mk3/mk4 off and saying their mk2's are better.
When there not. cos their dated. The mk1 is a classic car. The mk2 is a hatchback... nothing more.
Makes no difference if i chat about overtaking a Corsa/Jaguar/Porsche or whatever ... its called "chatting".
U know ... where ya lips move and words spill out.
Problem we have here is simple
mk1 owners - Own the classic ORIGNAL GTI ... nuff said
mk2 owners - THINK they own a classic GTI ... and its all nostalgia clouding their vision and they own a normal hatchback. (well ... not everyones. Blue_mk2 and a couple of others are an exception)
mk3 owners - sick of the mk3 getting slated
mk4 owners - own the best golf but the mk2 owners still slate it
mk5 owners - None as of yet...
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its not us slagging off your slow car. we dont need to everyone knows there slow and not real gti's. its just you need to stop bigging it up and telling us everytime you overtake a car. its f**king boring mate. have you noticed anyone with quick golfs boasting about how quick they are??
Mine says GTi on the back and on the log book so i would say that it is a REAL GTi. This is what makes other forum's full of SH1T, b!tchin like this really F**Ks me off. Anyway anyone want to buy an 8v mk 3 absolutely mint low miles very BLING and turns nearly every head, Its a bit slower than some but it looks better than some and i love it. If i could afford to i would keep it and put another engine in it but i think that ill have to settle for a boxy mk2.
One last thing If the mk3 gti had not come along then the mk2 gti would of been (and allways was until the mk 3)crap compared to the mk 1. Oh and GTi stands for Grand Tourer Injection not fast as booyacka flamin exhaust turbo dump valve spotty faced f**k. And they will stand the test of time.
PPs 16Valvers are toss aswell. Ha.
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Mine says "GTI on front, side and back" plus on the "logbook" and the "insurance certificate".
Therefore its a REAL GTI too. :) just like Jims.
... I agree... with everything that Jim said.
Oh and GTi stands for Grand Tourer Injection not fast as booyacka flamin exhaust turbo dump valve spotty faced f**k
Classic! lol
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Btw, on the 16v is toss mark Id like to add something, cos every says how fast they are...
Race a Astra mk3 GSI 16v agaisnt a Golf mk3 GTI 16v.
Both are of similar weight... but the Astra engine is SOOOO much faster than the VW's ... it pisses on the Golf GTI 16v.
But what would u rather own? .... the slower Golf or the faster Astra?
... I think its gotta be the slower Golf 16v....
btw, Im not slating the 16v... far from it ... Im just saying the Astra is faster, but the Golf is a better car (ala mk2 GTI 8v Vs mk3 GTi 8v ... mk2 faster, mk3 better)
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ok its down to opinions then. i have mine and you have yours. happy now?
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the main reason i bought my car is because i had some situations in my old car that could have been avoided in a more powerful car. driving at motorway speeds wasnt a nice experience in some circumstances. (thingys who block you want to exit or in dodgy weather conditions)
The main reason i bought my car was because it was quite shiney. ;D
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ok its down to opinions then. i have mine and you have yours. happy now?
yeah im happier with that ... hopefully u can maybe prevent urself slagging my car off in the process to ;)
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I'll start off by saying i dont have a clue how fast/slow the MK3 is. I have a 1.3 MK2 golf, which i, personally dont think is slow. I am not really interested in speed, more value for money, any who disgress with me that a GTi is cheaper, or the same price is a fool. I get better fuel consumptio than you, and cheaper insurance. That is what matters to me, and we have different ideas about what we want. So it doesn't really matter at all that your car is faster, unless that is what your interested in. And we could argue all day about it, but to no avail, it is after all onyl ones OWN opinion that should matter to you. Stop arguing and just quietly think, i know i've got what "I" want. ;D
Oh, and as an aside, GTI stands not for grand touring injection, but for Gran Turismo Injection ;D
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Hate to point out the obvious, but Gran Turismo is Italian for Grand Touring you spanner :)
Anyway, no the 8v isn't slow. Driven well it will leave most normal cars in the weeds. I remember a particular back road jaunt through Fife, when a souped up Mercedes couldnt keep up through the fast twisty stuff. He could have nailed me for sure on the long following straight, but I had already made up so much time through the twisties there would have been little point in him pursuing - also considering I kept the hammer down past 105mph (as an aside I do laugh when people accuse the 8v of having no go in fifth gear - that's what fourth gear is for - duh), it would have been a tad dangerous for him to give chase. Can't say I was really approaching the limits of what the car could do either.
It is also capable of demolishing long journeys in obscenely short amounts of time. I have driven from Stoke in Staffordshire to St Andrews in Fife, a total of 327 miles in 4 and a half hours. That's an average of over 81mph. You see a slow car can't do that. I should know, my old car was pretty slow in the grand scheme of things.
I can't believe people still rate the RS Focus as a driving machine tbh. I thought enough sources had confirmed it was a bit duff. I'm sorry but I'd take the R32 over that torque-steering monster any day of the week. I'd probably have a 147GTA over them both tbh tho :)
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It is also capable of demolishing long journeys in obscenely short amounts of time. I have driven from Stoke in Staffordshire to St Andrews in Fife, a total of 327 miles in 4 and a half hours. That's an average of over 81mph. You see a slow car can't do that. I should know, my old car was pretty slow in the grand scheme of things.
that'd be the 'grand touring' bit then.. reminds me of what i mentioned before about it being much better suited to motorway driving (which due to a certain someone i was doing a lot of with my old car, and made me choose a car well suited to it for my next one..)
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God, whats wrong with some people, why must you call me a spanner? Just because i'm using the proper meaning, not a derived one. Why dont you grow up.
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Hate to point out the obvious, but Gran Turismo is Italian for Grand Touring you spanner :)
LOL. I have had similar run ins with so called fast cars as i have said before A mate from work has a toymota cilicar 175bhp but he jibbed out when i went past him on the inside of a tight left onto the A50. Its down to the way you drive and it also seems that if you TRY and go fast in the mk3 8v it is actually slower than if you keep your cool and drive it properly.
Without sounding daft the 8 valve,16 valve and the VR6 are all fantastic cars in there own ways The 8 is an ideal comuter good on fuel and cheaper to insure the 16 is faster but is more to insure and when driven hard uses more fuel and the VR6 is a good all round performer good torque and bhp but is not cheap to run or insure. But they will all stand the test of time better than any other car because unlike many cars they dont rust away(Alfa)they dont break down all the time (most fast Fords) and they hold there money better than a Gold plated Bentley owned by david Beckham. ALL VW's RULE!!!! :D
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Well my car is used for commuting mainly... work and college.
it pulls 45mpg on a long run ... im happy with that.
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Children children ! Isn't the reason we are on here because we all love VW Golf GTI's in all guises ?????
Who cares who's faster than who,Golfs are not the quickest cars on the road, who cares ? We love them for what they are and what they stand for. It's up to personal choice if you prefer a Mk1 or a MK3 etc, but all forum users should respect other forum users for their own choice in cars.
It's obvious some people are trying to wind others up and this all reminds me of a big happy family that tear each other to shreds before bedtime. ;D
Enjoy your own car and respect the choice of others. Said my bit, feel like the parent making the peace now :D
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Oh dear !!!!!!!!! What have i started here?
One thing i do have to say, everyone is going on about golfs being slow compared with other cars???
Two golfs i would pick out, the mk2 16v and the mk3 vr6. I can't speak for mk4s cos i've never driven one.
Are they slow compared with other cars?
I think not :)
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the mk2 16v and the mk3 vr6
Subaru Impreza WRX anyone?
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Yep, that is one of the few exceptional cars, but it will fall apart in a few years.
How many more cars, even today will piss on a vr6?
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lets see
Peugeot 206 GTI 180
Renault Clio 172 Cup
VW Golf R32
Ford Focus RS
Vauxhall Astra GSI Turbo
Subaru Impreza
Mitsubishi Evo ... any
Honda Civic Type R
Audi TT 225Bhp
Seat Leon Cupra R 225Bhp
Renault Clio V6
Renault Clio 182
VW Golf 4Motion
Toyota Supra
Nissan Skyline
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Yep but we are talking about a car that was first launched in 1992.
Must be said that the clio cup,and 206 gti will only be marginally faster, very little in it. AND you actually list 2 later variants of the vr6.
Lets try putting it another way, since your list isn't that big now is it? and some of your choices are only marginal, how many cars on the road will a vr6 piss on, not be marginally faster but actually PISS ON.
You will be writing the list all day ;)
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Ok.
Civic Type R
Rover 420 GSI Turbo
Renault 5 GT Turbo MEGA suped up.
Focus RS
Metro 6R4
Sierra Saphire Cosworth
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Hmmmm, all quick cars but give me a VW/Audi any day.........quality ;)
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idiot how many metro 6R4's do you see on the road every day then?
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I did actually ask how many cars a vr6 would piss on, the answer - most cars on the road today.
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idiot how many metro 6R4's do you see on the road every day then?
f**k off u retard, me and 6 were in chat laughing about this ... and here comes u storming in with ya size 12's thinking u own the place and getting it allll wrong.
I recommend u stay in the mk2 area where u belong.
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valid point though ???
think i will too many b!tches in here
oh and im a size ten
and i recommend you stop getting beaten by saxos
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back to my original point tho before you started b!tching how many 6r4's do you see every day and race off the lights? do you even know what one is?
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Lol, this is a quality thread! I don't see why all the mk2 people should stay in their own section, I quite often browse their section so think it's only fair they come in here! Anyway, don't a number of motoring magazines rate the Mk2 16v as the best Gti VW ever produced? May be wrong and I won't comment on this as I've never driven one.
Everyone in here loves their GTi's fair enough. The reason I bought mine was because I wanted a cheap car but not too old or with too many miles, not too expensive to insure, good build quality, reliability, comfortable interior, few toys and something with a little bit of poke.
The MK3 (I think) is the only car on the market that satisfies these criteria and for what I wanted it is a great car, and for less than ?3k it's fantastic value. Since getting the car I've averaged 36.6mpg which I'm bloody impressed with, but then I do drive like a grandad most of the time!!
Whether you own an 8v, 16v or VR6 they're all terrific value for money.
Anyway just my 2p.
PS A VTR is still quicker than an 8v!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mk3 Golf 8V '91-98
History/Spec
The all new Golf arrived in 1992, and was promptly christened 'Car of the Year' -- but not 'Hot Hatch of the Year'. That's because it was bigger, safer and heavier. Despite that blobby body being very slippery, with a drag factor between 0.30 and 0.33, it was seriously heavy. The original GTI weighed 844 kg, and the MK3 was up to 1032 kg. The power-to weight ratio had slipped from 133 bhp per ton to 113. That translated into a top speed of 124 mph and a sluggish 0-60 mph time of 8.7 seconds -surprising, as the new GTI had a larger 2.0-Jitre engine with Digifant multipoint electronic fuel injection system and regulated catalytic converter. With an enlarged bore and stroke at 82.5 mm and 92.8 mm respectively, the output rose to 115 bhp at 5400 rpm. At least it looked the part, with its color-coded two-bar grille, black wheel arches and bumper extension, rear spoiler, tinted rear light clusters, 6.5Jxl 5 in Long Beach alloys and twin exhaust pipes. Inside came sports seats, electric windows, on board computer and height-adjustable sports steering wheel. Handling-wise it was a lot softer and more refined. Basically, it was a modified Mk2 set-up with standard power steering. From September 1992 came split rear seats and, a year later, passenger seat height adjustment formed part of the package. October 1994 was safety month, as ABS brakes, driver's airbag and immobilizer were included -- but a sunroof became a cost option. July 1995 saw the arrival of rounded side indicators and a bee-sting aerial. May 1996 marked the 20th anniversary of the GTI, hence the 600 unit limited-edition Anniversary, with red alloys and traditional golf ball gear knob. King of the limited editions though was the Color Concept, in April 1995, available in yellow, red, blue or green, with matching leather Recaros, silver-faced instruments and 6.5 in Solitude alloys. Eight-valve deleted in November 1997.
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VW Golf mk3 16v '93-'98
Two years after the 2.0-litre 8-valve GTi failed to impress anyone greatly, Volkswagen decided that what the world needed was another 16-valve version, which was launched in January 1993. Beneath the familiar 16-valve head was the 2.0-litre unit, which produced 150 bhp at 6000 rpm and was quite different from the units fitted to the Corrado and Passat. New valves and revised breathing were intended to provide extra power and low-down torque. Acceleration improved, which meant that 60 mph arrived in around eight seconds. Top speed was a useful 134 mph. The five-speed gearbox was a carry over from the GTi, as was the suspension - unfortunately. So it was secure, safe, but a bit roly-poly, and still not enough fun. Interestingly, it came with the traction control system. As used on the VR6, which meant that it worked with the ABS system to eliminate torque steer (weaving as you bury the throttle) by monitoring the speed of the driving wheels. Standard specification was pretty much as the 8-valve, plus 6.5jx15 in Monte Carlo alloy wheels with 205/5OR-15V tyres, but still a space saver in the boot, bee-sting aerial with amplifier, plus a brake lining wear indicator, September 1993 heralded the arrival of passenger seat height adjustment, as the five-door model got rear electric windows. For October 1994, a driver's airbag and engine immobiliser were fitted. July 1995 saw the arrival of those neat rounded wing-mounted indicators. May 1996 - the GTi's 20th anniversary year - saw the launch of the limited-edition Anniversary. Just 150 were imported in three and five-door body styles, at a cost of ?16,995 and ?17,425, respectively. They had alloy wheels, which were painted red, plus the traditional and long-missed Golf ball gearknob. When it came to the interior trim, that was Sportsline' - slightly chequered flag in design - with red bumper stripes and GTi badging. Discontinued in November 1997. VW correct their 8v mistake with this 16v
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I think everyone with a 8v gti should remove the badge and replace it with GL or should that be CL
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overseer is funny .. ho ho ho.
vr6 - is cocky as per usual ... :D ;)
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God, whats wrong with some people, why must you call me a spanner? Just because i'm using the proper meaning, not a derived one. Why dont you grow up.
I think you'll find both parties are using the proper meaning. I'm just using the proper meaning in English, and you're using the peoper meaning in Italian. Wonderful these different languages aren't they.
anyway what I think you have to remember with the Mk3 is that the market had changed in the last couple of years of the Mk2. The hot hatch market had all but dissapeared, joyriders and the associated insurance premiums had priced most people out of the hot-hatch market. The focus became more on comfort than outright performance. In fact, apart from the Clio Williams, please name me another classic hot-hatch to come out of the same era from the Mk3 GTi (both variants - I don't consider the VR6 to be a hot-hatch - it certainly doesn't handle like one. It handles more like a Quattro Audi - understeer, understeer and yet more understeer). The 306 was a great car, but was never likely to produce a classic hot hatch like the 205 GTi 1.9 or Mk2 16v. The GTi-6 was nice, but still suffered from that "wonderful" french hatch nervousness (they were the last country in the world to realise trailing arm rear suspension = teh bad), which meant you really couldn't give it the same level of commitment through a corner as the VW's.
I'd also like to make an addition to Black_GTI's list of cars that could hump a VR6
- Any current six-cylinder BMW 3-series. And a few 5's aswell.
Oh, and to keep golfvr6 happy
-The Audi S4. But Audis aren't real performance cars so they don't really count.
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Bodhi is talking out of his arse yet again! ;)
There are far more cars that the vr6 will piss on rather than the other way round.
Audi RS4 - 0-60 in 4.9 secs
Audi RS6 - 0-60 in 4.7 secs
So Audi aren't really performance cars.
Quattro handling badly? comparing the handling with the mk3 golf?
Thats about as bollox as it gets.
Oh course you DON'T ACTUALLY OWN a fast car now do you?
go back to your slow mk3 8v and carry on dreaming about owning a BMW :D
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go back to your slow mk3 8v and carry on dreaming about owning a BMW
**** VW figures
8.7secs to sixty? and 124Mph top speed?
slow?
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Just pointing out that if Bodhi wants to say a vr6 isn't a performance car then maybe he should buy a performance car first ;)
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Cos 6 is a nice person and says my 8v is the best 8v there is... and ever will be cos its sexy and gorgeous and smart and clean etc etc
its da bomb basically 8)
here is sum help for mr 6
BMW 320i SE - 8.3secs to 60
BMW 325i Sport - 7.2secs to 60
BMW 330i Sport - 6.5secs to 60
so only the 330i Sport is quicker than the VR6.
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8.7 seconds 0-60 ?
What on earth are you measuring these on ?
Sorry mate- but dont you think it would be in VW FAVOUR to print the fastest results they could get in a 0 - 60 with their new car? And for our cars that is 10.4
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nobody else uses VW figures.
Whatcar quotes 9.0secs.
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lol come on...whatever mate - my vw manual of my car says its top 0 - 60 is 10.4 and my big old parkers guide book thing mirrors this.
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nobody else uses VW figures.
Whatcar quotes 9.0secs.
WTF on another thread you claim that it's the MK4 8v that does 0-60 in 9 seconds and that the MK3 is quicker, do you have any idea what you're talking about or do you just make up random rubbish as and when you feel like it?!?!?!?!?
WARNING - Please ignore everything written by Black_GTI as it would appear everything he writes is just plain bull sh1t!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just pointing out that if Bodhi wants to say a vr6 isn't a performance car then maybe he should buy a performance car first ;)
I hope we are not gettin the superior handling, bigger engined, definatly more unique and proveing too hold there value better and classic in the makin Corrado mixed up with the more common mk3 golf vr6.
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u said vr6 is common? he wont like that.. lol
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u said vr6 is common? he wont like that.. lol
Well it is, opposed to a Corrado VR6
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I wouldn't really say the golf vr is common.
I must admit i would have bought the corrado, but it doesn't really suit family life :)
Golf vr6 is a pretty good alternative :D
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I wouldn't really say the golf vr is common.
I must admit i would have bought the corrado, but it doesn't really suit family life :)
Golf vr6 is a pretty good alternative :D
Do you have a late model Golf vr6, as belive some of them and the highlines have a better management system on them, givin them better bhp as standard but dont belive vw advertised this.
I agree totally that a golf is much more practical for family use.
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Its a 95M, its got the later OBD2 port so i don't know if the ECU is any different.
It does go like sh!t off a shovel, especially since the last 10k, the engine has done nearly 80k and is really loosening up.
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So, afterall that discussion, we have decided.
9 - 10secs isnt slow .. therefore the 8v isnt slow. 8)
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2 good hatches
mk2 16v
mk3 vr6
:D
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and for those under 21 .
mk3 and mk4 8v
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stop being gay and do what i said, your car will go like sh!t off a shovel too.
:D
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Im paying of the extorsionate insurance premium at the moment.
Then the full zorst is going on it.
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Ok
The Gti mk3 is a wicked car, loads of torque is great fun to drive even if a little lacking against other 2.0's. But build quality looks and general sexiness is All good. If 8v owners wanted a fast car they'd by a nova with a 2.0 engine. End of story. Or a renault friggin 5.
Get over it, GTi's are lovely cars : reliable fun, and modern enough to get by without being branded as a banger driver.
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I dont think anyone who wanted a fast car would buy a renault 5 or 2 litre corsa though, as the resale value would be zero and the reliability of them is also pants.
All GTI's are head and shoulders above the rest.
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yea the resale value on those corsa's and saxo's etc are crap..
in the local paper today was a V reg VTS for ?4495
LOL
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Also imagine having a crash in one of them.
I'll stick to the golfs
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go back to your slow mk3 8v and carry on dreaming about owning a BMW
**** VW figures
8.7secs to sixty? and 124Mph top speed?
slow?
sorry mate but the missus astra goes faster
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yea well Vauxhall's are usually faster
mk3 Astra GSI 16v Vs mk3 Golf GTI 16v
then Astra wins hands down.
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so so in all the answer is yes then?
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Well, the poll looks conclusive to me. 80% is a big majority.
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Just two stick my two penneth in;
The poll is ambiguously worded, as it is open to perosnal interpretation of the word slow, rather than fact.
If you had been used to driving a Mk2 16v or VR6, which are both quicker than the Mk3 8v, then it would seem slow.
However, if you had been driving a 1.6CL or something similar, which is slower than the Mk3 8v, then it would seem fast.
I have never owned, nor put any major miles on an 8valve, so I don't think I'm entitled to say yes or no. I've seen half a dozen people submit a dozen different figures, but it still doesn't prove if its slow or not, as it will always be opinion, and therefore subjective.
The fact is, VW has deemed it worthy to be badged as a GTi, and whether everyone agrees with that or not, it still has to be recognised as one. VW are very aware that the GTi has 'lost its edge' since the intorduction of the Mk3 (and so are the drivers), but they, like all other manufacturers, have had their hand forced via legislation regarding CO2/emmissions outputs and the introduction of higher safety standards.
VW know they had a winning recipe with the Mk1 and 2 and they didn't change it out of choice. Lets just hope that with the MK5 they have 're-educated' themselves, allowing them to build a comfortable, reliable, safe car (the principles for which they are well known) combined with something thats as enjoyable to drive as the Mk1's and 2's.
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Just realised I've rolled onto 500 posts - what a message to earn my fifth star with!!! ;D
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Good post s11eps!
oh and congrats on 500! ;)
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yea the resale value on those corsa's and saxo's etc are crap..
in the local paper today was a V reg VTS for ?4495
LOL
We just sold a R reg 8v mk3 gti, admittadly it isent the fastest car on the block, but would rather have a slower quality vw then some light weight citroen rubbish.
Out of interest, got ?4800 for the golf, girl next door couldent sell her R reg laguna for ?1700, just says it all really.
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?4800 private?
jeez, ive got a 97 P plate ... i might get ?4000 for mine then
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?4800 private?
jeez, ive got a 97 P plate ... i might get ?4000 for mine then
Yes private,
This one had only done 47k miles, and had lots of end of the line things fitted, air conditioning, rear headrests, bbs solitudes, and a strange shade of purple colour and totally standard. It was a minter. Great car, never let us down.
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well im on 68000 ... its had everything put on ... new injectors, throttle body ... the works!
Bodywork is mint...paintwork is also mint.
Ill ask ?4000 ONO when I sell it ;D
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I would,
people love low mileage, standard golf's. Had about three people ring up, first bloke that came snapped it up/
I think alot depends on where u live in UK as well.
VW offered ?3800 trade in price on the mk3, but decided to sell private.
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make sure whoever buys it doent want a fast car :)
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Bodhi is talking out of his arse yet again! ;)
There are far more cars that the vr6 will piss on rather than the other way round.
Audi RS4 - 0-60 in 4.9 secs
Audi RS6 - 0-60 in 4.7 secs
So Audi aren't really performance cars.
Quattro handling badly? comparing the handling with the mk3 golf?
Thats about as bollox as it gets.
Oh course you DON'T ACTUALLY OWN a fast car now do you?
go back to your slow mk3 8v and carry on dreaming about owning a BMW :D
I seem to have hit a nerve. I never said the VR6 wasn't a performance car, I simply said it wasn't really a hot hatch.
Yes, a ?15K hot hatch can clearly outhandle a ?40K + sports saloon, that's why people pay the extra for an S4. I never said the Mk3 Golf could outhandle the S4, but an Impreza/Evo/M3 probably could. That's probably why evo's recent car of the decade was bristling with S4's. Oh wait it wasn't. And not just to take evo's word for it, the Autocar I was reading last night branded the RS4 a "dissapointment".
In the grand performance car scheme of things, Audi's really aren't very good. Slight hint before you repeat various RS performance stats - fast is more than in a straight line.
INTERESTING CONTENT BODHI, BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO THROW INSULTS THEN I WILL JUST REMOVE ALL YOUR POSTS.
IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT THEN THATS TOO BAD :)
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Its not slow ... dammit read my thread about the 1.2 "max'd" clio ... THATS slow.
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didn't realise but the 8v speedo is different to that of 16v looking at your gallery. 16v says 160mph 8v say 140
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ive seen a 16v speedo that only went to 140.
makes no difference really... u cant do 140 or 160 lol
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^ funny i've seen 140 on mine ;)
didn't realise but the 8v speedo is different to that of 16v looking at your gallery. 16v says 160mph 8v say 140
yeah because they rev higher, going by the people that sell those printed speedo mod things i think 16vs and vr6s are the same as the redline for the revs is also in the same place for those, and lower on the 8v.
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the vr6 redlines just after 6000 I think and the 16v redlines just before 7000. ???
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6200rpm for the redline on the 8v GTI.
115bhp ~ 5400rpm
127lb/ft torque ~ 3200rpm
Just thought I'd add those figures. :-* ... nice torque huh
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ha ha ha ha ha. i've just started fully reading this thread and i never knew so many of you had handbags ;D
Heres my input anyway. I have a golf Mk3 8v. AND YES IT IS SLOW.
0-60 in the late 9's or early 10's is slow. Very slow. When fiestas, 106's and and clio's (and i'm only talking 1.4's here) can be pretty much as nippy then we're all screwed so no it isnt a quick car. no one of any stature has ever said 'ooh yeah, that MK3 8V - now thats a quick car'. In fact it is slow in respect to cars of today and also cars from 92 when it was launched - hence they slated it. it tops out at 125mph which again isnt that big of a top speed.
If you've never driven any other cars, or migrated from an Escort 1.3 then it might seem nippy, but if you look at, and have driven many other cars then it just is not that quick. And 124IB FT of torque is pretty average as well - frankly the people who keep regurgitating that the 8V is torquey are just responding to the torque of the 16v at 2000 rpm - It is an early 16v engine so it will be pretty weak low down. It doesnt make the 8v a really torquey engine.
The 8V has something like 80 bhp per ton and produces 62.5 bhp per litre - sorry but that is very poor.
I really have to say that if you are 19 or 20 and/or have never driven anything above 100 bhp before then the 8V will seem ok. Get a few more miles and some car experience under your belt and you'll realise that it just isnt a performance car. I frankly think that its more like a GL with a bodykit.
Before you wonder why i bought it - well i had a Peugeot 306 XSI that was great to drive, and would cream MK3 16v's but was really rattly and cost fortunes to fix bits - and thats being 4 years old with 25k miles on it, so the 8V was a far better built car that drank less fuel and held its value better.
Sorry to be a traitor but i jsut do not understand how anyone can call it fast.....
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The 8V has something like 80 bhp per ton
???
112Bhp/tonne
8v = 115/1032kg x 1000 = 111.5 or summet daft.
16v = 150/1105kg x 1000 = 136hp per tonne
80bhp per tonne?? its not the weight of an R32 mate.
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::) Yawn! this is soooo boring now.........
Can't believe the R32's been dragged into this too!!! Don't think any R32 owners wish they had an 8v somehow!!!! 8)