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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: paladin on 12 March 2004, 23:48
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I'm starting to hear conflicting stories regarding induction kits - a la - they dont have gains for every car, that they are mostly there for the sound and not every car benefits (in HP) from more (cold) air.
I'm looking to put an ABD Big Bore intake tube to a q-flow kit (w/ a K&N filter) on my 2.0 8v
The question here is, am I just throwing my money away? The point is to be faster, save gas and not sacrifice reliability.
The sound of my car doesnt impress me (it's still a 4 banger), nothing is sillier than an 'all hype' car getting blown away by noone special. What will impress me is when I've got pull away power from some poser honda - who cares if it doesn't 'sound' sporty then.
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8 or 16
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8v
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Induction kit will work, i recommend K&N.
Induction kit combined with sports exhaust will give you about 10% extra BHP.
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All righty then..
I think I'll treat myself to it as a reward for finishing the soundproofing the b!tch. (oops, I'm sorry.. My b!tch) Unless someone's got a better idea.
As they always say, it's got to get worse before it can get better...
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ive just fitted my K&N 57i today ... and the results are in: -
0-30mph = no difference
30-45mph = roaring noise begins
45-70mph = better acceleration (just) than before... more responce.
aint been over 70mph yet ...
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fuel economy? :D
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I aint noticed much of a change ... I'll make my judgement when I go for a longer drive.
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Induction kits will NOT gain you on a standard 8.v 2.0 litre. If its performance you want this is poitnless.
Purely for noise.
I think for most of the mk3's the K&N will LOSE you a few bhp as it does not have a plastic airbox stopping hot air from the seating engine into it. Infact the K&N sits Closer to the hot air then as standard.
It slightly improves throttle response but not by much. It really is only for the noise.
Though you say you want performance, You really have the wrong engine. The fastest mk3 8v 2.0 I know of with/out forced induction is a guy of club gti who is running at 135 bhp. And that was cams zorst de cat, ported and polished ecu, all in costing well over a grand and a half at least!
Thats another 20 bhp.
Totally pointless. You cannot make a 2.0 8v produce decent bhp.
I have a 2.0 8v btw. With k&n. i like the noise.
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Induction kits will NOT gain you on a standard 8.v 2.0 litre. If its performance you want this is poitnless.
Purely for noise.
I think for most of the mk3's the K&N will LOSE you a few bhp as it does not have a plastic airbox stopping hot air from the seating engine into it. Infact the K&N sits Closer to the hot air then as standard.
It slightly improves throttle response but not by much. It really is only for the noise.
Though you say you want performance, You really have the wrong engine. The fastest mk3 8v 2.0 I know of with/out forced induction is a guy of club gti who is running at 135 bhp. And that was cams zorst de cat, ported and polished ecu, all in costing well over a grand and a half at least!
Thats another 20 bhp.
Totally pointless. You cannot make a 2.0 8v produce decent bhp.
I have a 2.0 8v btw. With k&n. i like the noise.
I agree that it won't do a lot for an 8v, but to say you will lose power is bollox.
The induction kit sits right in the wing and will not draw in hot air.
The k&n is VERY good on the vr6.
Do you write on Clubgti?
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erm, i saw a webpage yesterday that had a mk3 8v GTI with 175Bhp
When I re-find the page I'll post the link.
i think 115 - 175 is a nice jump for a NONE turbo car.
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people on the internet lie about how great their cars are..
175bhp from a mk3 without a turbo added on?
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"erm, i saw a webpage yesterday that had a mk3 8v GTI with 175Bhp
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Well to be honest, from owning the car and modding mine I would tend to think that figure is complete bollocks NA / w/o NOS.
And even if it was true, you would be spending thousands!
It's the wrong engine to make big bhp plain and simple.
Yes i post on club gti as Joe,Gti
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Blimey its great!!
I had the K&N put on today, it rocks!
.....yeah it sounds great, a brilliant roar, but its the free reving delivery of power thats f'ing brilliant.
Well worth the bang for the buck I say.
If youve got a 16v or VR, get one!!
........and theres no loss of power as a lady once said.
;)
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I dont care what it did to your car, everycar is different... even if they have the same engine and same chassis etc. I drove this car for 12month without a K&N and now it's had the K&N on for 3days and I noticed the difference straight away once I hit 40-50mph.
Oh and I've also noticed summet else since.
I was pottering around on my drive, parking it up and I noticed how unbelievably smooth it is ... not jerky-ness at all anymore ... no vibrations or nothing when ya slowly moving around... fantastic... even my brother who is adament that inductions kits (ON ANY CAR) are pointless, admitted that it was smoother.
anywayz...
I said earlier I drove two V6 mk4's and both drove totally different... one was insanely fast and the other was rather poor and slow.
All depends on how they were run in, and this goes for all cars.
Theres an old man down the road from me, hes got a T reg Polo 1.4 and it has 4000 miles on the clock (he only drives around town, and its a small town) ... i'll feel sorry for the next person to own it, cos it'll be the slowest 1.4 T reg Polo ever to exist.
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What about swapping heads w/ a 16v (from a junkie, putting new cams in)? Is the intake and plenum the same. Is it the same block?
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Blimey its great!!
I had the K&N put on today, it rocks!
.....yeah it sounds great, a brilliant roar, but its the free reving delivery of power thats f'ing brilliant.
Well worth the bang for the buck I say.
If youve got a 16v or VR, get one!!
........and theres no loss of power as a lady once said.
;)
tempted.. hehe...
how much did they wack ya insurance up?
(goes for black gti too...)
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Overseer - my insurance went up by ?30, I'm 31 BTW so insurance isnt an issue anymore.
I say get one now, but if you'd prefer a long term report, then ask me in a few weeks.
:)
.........it seems to really suit the 16v so far.
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I dont care what it did to your car, everycar is different... even if they have the same engine and same chassis etc. I drove this car for 12month without a K&N and now it's had the K&N on for 3days and I noticed the difference straight away once I hit 40-50mph.
Oh and I've also noticed summet else since.
I was pottering around on my drive, parking it up and I noticed how unbelievably smooth it is ... not jerky-ness at all anymore ... no vibrations or nothing when ya slowly moving around... fantastic... even my brother who is adament that inductions kits (ON ANY CAR) are pointless, admitted that it was smoother.
anywayz...
I said earlier I drove two V6 mk4's and both drove totally different... one was insanely fast and the other was rather poor and slow.
All depends on how they were run in, and this goes for all cars.
Theres an old man down the road from me, hes got a T reg Polo 1.4 and it has 4000 miles on the clock (he only drives around town, and its a small town) ... i'll feel sorry for the next person to own it, cos it'll be the slowest 1.4 T reg Polo ever to exist.
There he goes, spouting b*ll*cks again!
Omar - would be very interested to know how you get on with the K&N. Is the noise intusive? A friend of mine has one on 1.4 Astra and it's bl00dy loud, but gets annoying after a while. I've never bothered with induction kits before as I've always thought they weren't really worth it.
Would changing the original panel filter for a performance one like a K&N be worth it? Anyone done this? Guess you wouldn't have to tell the insurance about that either as it's just replacing the panel filter?
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Overseer - my insurance went up by ?30, I'm 31 BTW so insurance isnt an issue anymore.
I say get one now, but if you'd prefer a long term report, then ask me in a few weeks.
:)
.........it seems to really suit the 16v so far.
mmmm :)
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What I'm hearing is that there might be another another viable solution. (and might save you guys in the UK some money in insurance)
Drilling (at least) 3 1" holes in the lower part of the factory filter box (on the far side) with a drop in K&N filter leading to a big bore intake tube (like one from ABD)
Whatcha think?
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Im happy with my K&N 57i
I dont reckon theres any increase in performance from a drilled airbox ... just alot of noise.
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'iball' and Overseer - I've done about 250miles since its been on and I'm still really happy with it.
It doesnt give you a massive power boost at all, but I've found it really helps the car to rev very freely and smoother through the rev range. I'm only talking from a 16v point of view BTW.
The noise isnt intrusive at all when youre driving around 'normaly' you actually dont really notice it. Its only when you want to have a bit of fun you can get it to roar, its enough to put a smile on your face ;D
I'll put some pics up if you want fellas?
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why not :)
if the weather holds i'll have some more pics of mine up over the weekend
am fitting my smoked fogs/indicators,
want to get one of my engine bay, coz some other 16v shots look different to mine
and some interior ones :)
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.........Ive just put some pics in the gallery, they should be up once theyve been approved by admin.
None of the whole car - I washed it, it pissed down, it pissed me off - gutted.
Next time tho.
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Cheers Omar, will come back later once they've been approved.
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TSR Did my 8valve
2.1l 8V fuel injected complete engine (1.8l exchange) - Silverstone
This is the 'BIG ONE' the ultimate 4 cylinder package. 2.1 ltr of fully balanced race technology engine fitted with our super special Pack 'C' head and TSR 103 or 203 cam. With massive mid-range torque and 170bhp this engine gives standard 3rd gear responses in 4th gear.! The 8 valve enthusiasts dream.
You can get it going lot of work though :)