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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: daiO on 06 March 2004, 17:41
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Hi
I?m interested in buying a second car to use regularly as something faster and more exciting to my main car (1.4 corsa). The mark 2 golf gti is my favourite hot hatch ever.
Because of insurance costs I?ll probably have to consider the 8v as an alterative to the 16v. I have a few questions:
1) Is there any comparable difference in the way the cars handle?
2) What are the differences in the trim levels of these cars?
3) How do the engine characteristics differ?
4) What are the insurance groups, BHP, and 0-60/0-100 times of both cars?
Thanks, David
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i have a 16v and it needs to be reved more to reach it's peak.
im only 20 and its my first car 0 no claims it's group 15 and im paying ?847 tpft in my own name
hope this helps!
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Hi
I?m interested in buying a second car to use regularly as something faster and more exciting to my main car (1.4 corsa). The mark 2 golf gti is my favourite hot hatch ever.
Because of insurance costs I?ll probably have to consider the 8v as an alterative to the 16v. I have a few questions:
1)???Is there any comparable difference in the way the cars handle?
2)???What are the differences in the trim levels of these cars?
3)???How do the engine characteristics differ?
4)???What are the insurance groups, BHP, and 0-60/0-100 times of both cars?
Thanks, David
beware, i am bias.
1. yes, one is highly strung, the other is a ferry.
2. i think it was electric windows, although they removed them on 16v near the end, only to reintroduce them. other than that, they are the same.
3. one of them has a decent engine, the other has an 8v engine
4. one of them has 139bhp, the other 115. one does 0-100, the other doesn't. 0-60 times are very similar, but its the 60+ times that one excels.
If you only get an 8v though, its not the end of the world. You instantly get credibility. Which is more than you get for most cars :)
Regards,
Tin
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Totally Agree with Ciaran the 16v does need a bit of a thrashing to get the power out of it. My friend has a lot of experiance with these cars and has done for around 15 years since he had a mark 2 8V. He thinks the 8V is alround better engine as it doesn't need a tharshing. The 16v's torque range is much higher up the revs than the 8v which does mean that you may have to shift down a gear to gain some speed, but when you hear the engine scream at 7000 rpm the 16v gives you some thrill.
The 8V 0-60 time is 8.3s with 112 bhp at 5,500 rpm and 114 lb/ft at 3100 rpm.
The 16V 0-60 time is 7.9s with 139 bhp at 6,100 rpm and 124 lb/ft at 4600 rpm.
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Not sure where you got the torque info from.
I posted a message many moons ago that gave exact figures for torque between the 8v and 16v engines.
Not even i knew this at the time - but the 16v develops more torque across the range than the 8v, and even at something as low as 2,800 its developing more torque than the 8v can develop in total at any point on the rev range.
So this idea that the 8v has more torque - or even in the same league - is misleading. And was probably made up by a self deluding 8v owner.
Regards,
Tin
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8v cheap insurance. they are zippy but slow top end. I know because i drive one ::)
The handling is phat! (on all mk1 and mk2 gti's)
try get a J reg as they are the last ones made with no mods and lots of history.
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in short
a 16v will behave the same as an 8v up until 5k rpm
the 8v will start to die whereas the 16v starts to fly
16v's have 10mm lower suspension and stiffer springs than the 8v
thats about the height of it, apart from the grin factor of the 16v when its on song ;D
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Have to agree, whilst both 8v and 17vs are wicked fun and a big smile behind the wheel, when you get over 4500rpm in a 16v, its big grin time.......lovwe it! ;D
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W**nkers! to be honest drive both see what you prefer, some people swear 8v some 16v!
Whatever you get it will be more fun than a 1.4 corsa!
try www. matey-matey.com
for a buying guide
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Tinman is spot on this time ( for a change ;) )
The 16v is a far superior car to the 8v.
The 16v engine develops more torque all the way up the rev range, that is FACT.
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One thing you need to consider, is that finding a good 16V for reasonable money is a lot harder than finding a good 8V!
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i paid 1k for my 16v metallic black 1992 J full leather lowered all round and 105 k on the clock.
so have a good look and their are still good examples to be found!
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?1400 for a mint G reg 16V 78,000 on clock ;D
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Not bad!
How do you afford it as you always seems to be in, have you got a job? ;)
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no bother mate!
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I didn't mean you pal, i meant veedubgti16v, he lives round the corner from me and his car is always there.
:D
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1.7k for 'almost' mint j reg 16v 68k on the clock..... ;D
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Thanks guys. I?ll have to have some quotes for insurance. I?m considering mk2 golf gti, 205 gti or a 106 rallye at the moment. Really want the golf as they have always been my favourite; but I think they would be more expensive compared to the 205 and especially the rallye as they are group 9. I?m only looking for a fun car, something that?s faster and handles better than the corsa.
I?d probably have up to ?2000 to spend if I went for the golf. I think id be looking for late and mint 16v that hasn?t been modified. Would I get a good one for this amount of cash? I?m also slightly confused about the mileage of these cars. What would you say was high mileage? 140k+?
Thanks again, Dai
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?150 quid 4 my 8v had it 4 years still runs like a dream!!! Driven 16v not as fun in the lower gears.
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bollox
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if you're not having any fun...change gear ;D
don't get a frog car....even if it's just for fun, you'll feel like you've been short changed. build quality just aint up to VW standards ;)
you should get a pretty tidy 16v for that money, FSH etc.
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Not bad!
How do you afford it as you always seems to be in, have you got a job? ;)
student loan vr6 ;D
i love the government ;D
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get an 8v m8 loads round here 4 about 300 quid that r decent
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0-60 blah blah blah
in reality a good driver with a good start will usually win the day ! as for top end, is your license worth it?
Just buy a smooth clean car and enjoy it
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i got an 8v to drive around and im gonna get a 16v for the track! ;D
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just stumbled upon this wee quote on VWvortex
Common misconception. Stock 8V vs. stock 16V of equal displacement, the 16V makes more torque across the rev range. The 8V may feel like it makes more down low, but that's only because it makes less up top.
sums it up really
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Correct Gambit
Thats what i've been trying to tell everyone for ages ::)
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I havent driven a 16v but I can tell you some advantages of the 8v (which I own) Firstly, sod the 0 - 60 times.. the 8v on 0 - 30 is close to that of a lambourgini diablo. Obviously 0 - 30 wouldnt be a massive difference in any car but I have yet to be beaten off the lights by any car. Two of my best defeats are a BMW Z3 M and a Nissan Skyline R32.
Also the head is much smaller on the 8v leaving loads of room in the engine bay for mods. I've had K&N injection filter put in, Stage 3 fast road cam and so much room I dont know what else I can do. And my friend swears that the car is twice as quick in acceleration than the standard. So you have a lot of play with the 8v.
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no offence madfox but a skyline and any m beemer would piss all over an 8v if they were trying. you know nothing
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Buy an 8v for looks
Buy a 16v for looks and performance
:D
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^^^^^^^^
err dont they look kinda the same ???
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well yeah, just trying to be kind to 8v owners :D
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MadFox, to put it politely, i suspect you know nothing about anything
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I've had K&N injection filter put in, Stage 3 fast road cam and so much room I dont know what else I can do......
so much room you could could fall in maybe? ;D
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MadFox, to put it politely, i suspect you know nothing about anything
:D :D :D :D :D :D
Oh yes and something else, you don't need 'room' to fit induction kits/ cams.
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maybe he could add a tank upfront to store all that bullsh!t that the car seemingly runs on
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I havent driven a 16v but I can tell you some advantages of the 8v (which I own) Firstly, sod the 0 - 60 times.. the 8v on 0 - 30 is close to that of a lambourgini diablo. Obviously 0 - 30 wouldnt be a massive difference in any car but I have yet to be beaten off the lights by any car. Two of my best defeats are a BMW Z3 M and a Nissan Skyline R32.
Also the head is much smaller on the 8v leaving loads of room in the engine bay for mods. I've had K&N injection filter put in, Stage 3 fast road cam and so much room I dont know what else I can do. And my friend swears that the car is twice as quick in acceleration than the standard. So you have a lot of play with the 8v.
Mate your having a laugh I own an 8v and my dad owns a Skyline and I wouldnt even attempt racing him.
Sorry buddy all I can say is that the Skyline must have been parked up.
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A: I never said you needed room to fit Induction kit and Cams... Just said they will increase the performance a lot, also I said there was so much room I dont know what to do with it.
B: The races I had were when the lanes joined into 1 from pull off... about 20metres... and I beat both cars from the inside lane. Whether or not you choose to believe that is your choice but you have to remember the driver makes a huge difference. I did rally driving for 2 years and quick pull offs are essential to a good time.
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My missus says a quick pulloff is a let down I think 5 mins is my fastest. ;D
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^^^
LOL ;D
madfox a skyline could stall and still beat your 8v, and a 16v foe that
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if your gonna do anything get a 16valver the engine is much more advanced than the 8v (fiesta sounding) engine but advancments come with a price, the main problems i found with me 16valver was the isv, a device that although does what it is supposed to do can have many problems the main one being that it gets dirty and clogs up so cleaning is paramount to make your car tick over and run smoothly in my view it is a simple device but way too complex, other than that the 16valver f-in screams from 60- 130 in what seems like milliseconds. i love mine with a pasion it gives the biggest buzz possibleand has always suprised me in every sence of the whole driving experience.
in laymans terms GET ONE YESTERDAY, THE NEWER THE BETTER
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i have a small video that i made at the weekend, and i think it shows my 16v in fifth standing at 80 accelerating to 122 in 19 seconds. which i dont think is too shabby.
Tin
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Having had 3 16valvers and still owning an 8 valve i have to say - the 16 valver is much better.
even though you can tend to have more probs with a 16valver- they are as tey say the mutts nuts.
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Seems that I?ve caused a bit of an argument on here!
I?ll probably go for the 16v if the insurance isn?t much more expensive than the 8v. Also decide to look at BMW E30 3.18is and 3.25is as another option. The E30 is another of my favourite late eighties cars and they have RWD which could be fun. Slightly more expensive for a good one though.
On autotrader they have golf?s that have done 100-140k+ miles. How reliable would these cars be with a full service history? I?ve seen some nice looking ones that are inside my budget on a few websites, J plates as well! Just wish I had the cash now!!!
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currently have both 8v and 16v mk2`s the 16v is the better car by far,service history is obviously a bonus
but an overall clean unabused car is a good sign and using your common sense u cant go wrong there are that many out there to look at my 8v had 177k on it when I bought it lots of reciepts but no service records had the car a year has cost me nothing runs drives superbly burns no oil no nasty noises clunks knocking nothing barely any 1st to 2nd syncro wear,was a company car at then begining of its life..My 16v has 113k on it ok I bought it cheap as the gearbox was poorly, thats only thing with the valvers the gearboxes can be a weak point,again it had loads of reciepts part history and the car is amazing again burns no oil no probs anywhere drilled airbox K+N panel filter sounds the nuts when its on full chat,look at a few using your common sense you cant go wrong..
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I have an 8v and the wife has a 16v its nice to swap now and again and see the difference. The 8v is very quick up to 5000 rpm but then dies. The vaver is not as quick upto the same rpm but once u pass that and get above 6000 its a totally different animal. Awsome!
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Why do people keep coming up with this one about the 8v being quicker at lower revs.
ITS NOT TRUE
16V HAS MORE POWER AND TORQUE UP THE WHOLE REV RANGE
ITS A FACT
:)
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tell em vr6 8)
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Hi guys,
I always enjoy this debate on 16 v 8 valves. I think I may have read most about the subject on the forum. My first GTi experience driving the 8v and its a great thrill. ;D But, I must admit you chaps have wet my appetite :P for a driving experience in a 16v but will have to take into considering a lot of factors before owning one, mainly S/h, geniune mileage, clean and unabused car . I may even pay to get it checked out before buying, that way you can be rest assured that you have really bought a geniune motor.
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I have nothing to say on the topic on 8v versus 16v, just to say I do so enjoy the funny 'banter' on this forum. I often sit here at the keyboard smiling to myself at some jokers really funny comments - the one liners are often 'gems'. Better than the telly - and I work in it !. Regards, yt.