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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: paulm007 on 12 September 2007, 12:49
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Having seen poor Illyun getting zapped again by the boys in blue I thought I would post this up, not tried this myself but according to one of the guys at work (who has!) it works.
So you get zapped by a fixed camera, plod with lazer gun doing a few miles over the limit. :cry:Wait a week or two and the letter drops through your door telling you to pay the £30/60 fine and you will be getting 3 penalty points. Nothing new so far.
Now this is what you do, send your cheque for your fine off but over pay by a quid or so. The courts will cash your cheque but will have to refund your overpayment, sending you a cheque for a quid or whatever the diff is. The trick is to rip up the cheque and never cash it. :nerd:
Now the 'system' still see your case as still open and therefore not process your penalty points until the case is closed on the computer.
Ok so you still have to pay the fine but you dont get the points, :evil:. Like I said, havent done it myself as I havent been caught but it apparently works. What have you got to lose!
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Hmm, I think this one is a complete urban myth, but I may be wrong.
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I hope I don't get to test the system... :rolleyes:
Thanks for the tip though :kiss:
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I have heard of this and its an old trick, a loophole that has surely been closed by those money grabbing bar stewards by now. :rolleyes:
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When I last got done on a fixed penalty, I had to send my driving licence off to get the points applied (well, take it to the plodstation, actually, as I only had the plastic card). The plod would have taken my licence on the spot if I'd had it, so that points can be applied. If the case remains open, without points applied, wouldn't that mean that DVLA keep your licence......?
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I would run this by Uruk Hai! he works in Magistrates Court and knows all the dodges!
You Mk5 boys need to get out more!
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I would run this by Uruk Hai! he works in Magistrates Court and knows all the dodges!
You Mk5 boys need to get out more!
We do get out more - that's why we have points on our licences :embarassed:
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I would run this by Uruk Hai! he works in Magistrates Court and knows all the dodges!
You Mk5 boys need to get out more!
We do get out more - that's why we have points on our licences :embarassed:
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...... just hope I'm still laughing in 2 weeks time :embarassed:
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or perhaps the Mk4's aernt fast enough to get a speeding fine! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:, :laugh: :laugh:
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or perhaps the Mk4's aernt fast enough to get a speeding fine! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:, :laugh: :laugh:
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My wife has been done twice in the last 4 years, once by a fixed camera ( 36mph in a 30 limit ) and more recently by a mobile van ( 48mph in a 40 limit ). I then invested in a copy of the 'Drivers Survival Handbook' which you see advertised frequently in the back of car mags. There is some good stuff in it but if you want to get off scot free then you have to go to court and obviously risk a bigger fine plus tonnes of hassel. What I did was to drag out the procedure for as long as possible and make ' Thames Valley Camera Partnership' earn their 60 quid. Following processes in the book I managed to drag out things for over 6 months with them having to supply loads of information before my wife was able to 'respond correctly to their allegations'.
If every convicted motorist went through this process the system would grind to a halt, unfortunately most of us are law abiding and as soon as we get a notice of intended prosecution we pay the fine and send off our licences straight away - DON'T!!! We all know it's the government raising additional revenue eg another stealth tax - make them work for the money. I reckon that with all the correspondence we had it cost them more than 60 notes with their secreterial work. :angry:
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In a word, NO!! it wont work its a pure myth :laugh:
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I'm wondering... by law do mobile units have to place camera signs before their positions - even if they are a mile away?... scraping the bottom of the barrel here :rolleyes:
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Sorry to read you might have been caught speeding (if over 70 rather than the 30 or 40 limits). I've had two in my GTI and both for 93 mph on dry dual carriageway. Driving in the UK sucks compared with Germany where you don't feel you're being victimised and are much more inclined to follow the limits without being told to. If you think that someone is hiding behind a hedge to get you, it's more difficult to feel relaxed and focussed on your driving - A very unhealthy driving culture in the UK.
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I'm wondering... by law do mobile units have to place camera signs before their positions - even if they are a mile away?... scraping the bottom of the barrel here :rolleyes:
don't mobile units have to calibrate their laser each day? ask to see the calibration for the day.
watched a program on ITV the other week (possibly not the most reliable source of information) and it showed someone testing a mobile laser detector which wasn't properly calibrated. they pointed it at a fixed speed camera and it was showing 5mph :shocked: on a stationary object!!
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I'm wondering... by law do mobile units have to place camera signs before their positions - even if they are a mile away?... scraping the bottom of the barrel here :rolleyes:
That is a very technical area. The road in question should have warning signs within 1mile of "safety camera vans", although there is a general "get-out" clause which states something like "except for exceptional circumstances". So if it was a scamera van, and NOT a uniformed police officer - and you have never seen them before or since at that location, then you aint got a leg to stand on. However, if the scamera van is there on a daily basis, and has been so for a notable period, then signs must be displayed. If no signs, then you can prove they are not operating within the ACPO Code of Practice. <hint, log onto the ACPO website, and download the PDF>! :smiley:
If it is uniformed police officers, the signage issues don't apply, but they are still expected to comply with the ACPO CoP.
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Sorry to read you might have been caught speeding (if over 70 rather than the 30 or 40 limits). I've had two in my GTI and both for 93 mph on dry dual carriageway. Driving in the UK sucks compared with Germany where you don't feel you're being victimised and are much more inclined to follow the limits without being told to. If you think that someone is hiding behind a hedge to get you, it's more difficult to feel relaxed and focussed on your driving - A very unhealthy driving culture in the UK.
I fully agree. Driving in Germany, and indeed most parts of mainland Europe is much more "liberating" than in the UK. And if you are unlucky enough to get pulled for speeding <cough, Austria, cough>, it is usually just an on the spot fine, with no licence endorsements.
On the flipside, though, there are very hefty penalties for radar and laser detectors.
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I'm wondering... by law do mobile units have to place camera signs before their positions - even if they are a mile away?... scraping the bottom of the barrel here :rolleyes:
don't mobile units have to calibrate their laser each day? ask to see the calibration for the day.
watched a program on ITV the other week (possibly not the most reliable source of information) and it showed someone testing a mobile laser detector which wasn't properly calibrated. they pointed it at a fixed speed camera and it was showing 5mph :shocked: on a stationary object!!
Yup, daily calibration and alignment checks must be carried out, AND recoreded in a log book.
Also, at each individual site, the same checks must be carried out, so if a scamera van moves from one location to the next, they must have documentary proof they carried out the checks for each position. This particular point is where many of the scamera vans fail. :wink:
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Got done a couple of weeks ago 45 in a 30 ( i know ill get slated) but its the 1st in 15 years!!!!!
Some bloke with a hand held stepped out in front of me, i just signed the form and gave him my licence should i have argued it?
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Got done a couple of weeks ago 45 in a 30 ( i know ill get slated) but its the 1st in 15 years!!!!!
Some bloke with a hand held stepped out in front of me, i just signed the form and gave him my licence should i have argued it?
deffo argue about it! it is has been calibrated then fair enough but its worth a shot; you're no worse off by asking
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Sorry to read you might have been caught speeding (if over 70 rather than the 30 or 40 limits). I've had two in my GTI and both for 93 mph on dry dual carriageway. Driving in the UK sucks compared with Germany where you don't feel you're being victimised and are much more inclined to follow the limits without being told to. If you think that someone is hiding behind a hedge to get you, it's more difficult to feel relaxed and focussed on your driving - A very unhealthy driving culture in the UK.
Yes it was over 70 on a clear dual carriageway .. people who speed in residential areas are idiots and deserve to get fined and points on their licences.
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I'm wondering... by law do mobile units have to place camera signs before their positions - even if they are a mile away?... scraping the bottom of the barrel here :rolleyes:
That is a very technical area. The road in question should have warning signs within 1mile of "safety camera vans", although there is a general "get-out" clause which states something like "except for exceptional circumstances". So if it was a scamera van, and NOT a uniformed police officer - and you have never seen them before or since at that location, then you aint got a leg to stand on. However, if the scamera van is there on a daily basis, and has been so for a notable period, then signs must be displayed. If no signs, then you can prove they are not operating within the ACPO Code of Practice. <hint, log onto the ACPO website, and download the PDF>! :smiley:
If it is uniformed police officers, the signage issues don't apply, but they are still expected to comply with the ACPO CoP.
damn it was a uniformed police officer - although couldn't make out his uniform as no hat and had bright yellow jacket on - could have been a motorway maintenence worker if I hadn't seen his car and camera.
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damn it was a uniformed police officer - although couldn't make out his uniform as no hat and had bright yellow jacket on - could have been a motorway maintenence worker if I hadn't seen his car and camera.
....Similar to the Sussex boys who zapped me. :angry:
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I'm wondering... by law do mobile units have to place camera signs before their positions - even if they are a mile away?... scraping the bottom of the barrel here :rolleyes:
That is a very technical area. The road in question should have warning signs within 1mile of "safety camera vans", although there is a general "get-out" clause which states something like "except for exceptional circumstances". So if it was a scamera van, and NOT a uniformed police officer - and you have never seen them before or since at that location, then you aint got a leg to stand on. However, if the scamera van is there on a daily basis, and has been so for a notable period, then signs must be displayed. If no signs, then you can prove they are not operating within the ACPO Code of Practice. <hint, log onto the ACPO website, and download the PDF>! :smiley:
If it is uniformed police officers, the signage issues don't apply, but they are still expected to comply with the ACPO CoP.
damn it was a uniformed police officer - although couldn't make out his uniform as no hat and had bright yellow jacket on - could have been a motorway maintenence worker if I hadn't seen his car and camera.
If he had no hat on, he is not in full uniform and therefore cannot "zap" you. Proving this maybe different though :undecided:
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Very good point regarding the full uniform but proving it would be almost impossible! :laugh:
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I'm wondering... by law do mobile units have to place camera signs before their positions - even if they are a mile away?... scraping the bottom of the barrel here :rolleyes:
That is a very technical area. The road in question should have warning signs within 1mile of "safety camera vans", although there is a general "get-out" clause which states something like "except for exceptional circumstances". So if it was a scamera van, and NOT a uniformed police officer - and you have never seen them before or since at that location, then you aint got a leg to stand on. However, if the scamera van is there on a daily basis, and has been so for a notable period, then signs must be displayed. If no signs, then you can prove they are not operating within the ACPO Code of Practice. <hint, log onto the ACPO website, and download the PDF>! :smiley:
If it is uniformed police officers, the signage issues don't apply, but they are still expected to comply with the ACPO CoP.
damn it was a uniformed police officer - although couldn't make out his uniform as no hat and had bright yellow jacket on - could have been a motorway maintenence worker if I hadn't seen his car and camera.
If he had no hat on, he is not in full uniform and therefore cannot "zap" you. Proving this maybe different though :undecided:
I'm pretty sure the 'full uniform' only relates to stopping a vehicle for other Road Traffic Act purposes eg breathalyser, etc and not simply not clocking a speeder from a remote distance.
Cass
Cass
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This website has pretty much all you need to know about your rights, how to appeal, likely points/fines, etc.
http://www.pepipoo.com/