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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: joesgti on 04 September 2007, 13:51
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Just bought a gti with 21,000 miles on the clock, my friend has a mk5 R32, i reciently had my car remapped from a company down south, i ran it in with the new remap for about 200miles, all the time it was getting faster as the ecu was learning the new software,
i then met my friend in his R32 at the traffic lights and it left him for dust, this is not due to my friends driving or shifting as he is a good driver.
i was wondering if my car has had other mods in it that i dont know about :laugh: from the previous owner, also i bought it from a dealer and it was not private.
i may just take it to a rolling road.
any feedback would be good, cheers
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its obviously a bit of a beast, remapped GTI's are around 240 - 260 BHP I think, and the GTI is lighter, let us know the results from the rolling road! :cool:
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Could you tell us who did the remap?
thanks
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ive seen the mK5 GTi with dsg beat Mk5 r32 manual in a video posted on youtube. Both were standard, so i dont doubt your chipped one left him behind!. good work!
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Im sure it did my friend!! But would i beat a R32 with some minor mods??? I dont think so...
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if the R32 is modded then of course it will, but performance figures are the same for DSG gti and manual R32. 0-60 6 secs. 0-100 is the same too. :smiley:
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nope affraid your wrong there.
gti DSG - 6.9
R32 man - 6.5
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no, GTi is not 6.9 as clarkson says, check vw mag.
GTi DSG launch contol 6.0 secs. 6.3 manual GTi
Hurdys Ed30 DSG at the track standard 0-60 5.66.
R32 wont be 6.5 secs, its faster then those figures quoted. its slower then the edition 30, and well matched to standard GTi DSG, but slightly quicker then manual GTi. DSG R32 will be around the same as ed30's performance stats
sorry dude, they are more closley matched then u think
watch for yourself , red car is dsg gti obviously
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AhZ9aipw0CY
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My figures are quoted from the vw site.. and not clarkson or some other mag, where the writer possibly owns one of the cars. And if vw are able to underestimate the performance/power of the gti, whos to say they havent done the same with the r32??
And i have to add that the video doesnt really show anything! the R32 takes the lead then the gti claws back and then.... it ends!
Just my 2pence worth.
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all the cars are quicker then what was origonally stated, 6.9- 6.5 bla bla, The figures ive quoted ar from Vw driver Mag, and from other peoples sources on this here forum. hopefully the video link has showed that they are both quick machines indeed
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OK then i guess we agree. I would like to know what the deal is with the Renault 225 sport tho. Anyone raced one.. as I had some numb nuts trying it on with me today... And refused to be drawn into a road race (only 70miles on the sexy beast as yet) altho I did give him a little sniff of the V6. His did sound quite meaty too.. and he had all mod stickers on his back windows. no doubt other hot hatches remap too!!
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Time for my two-penneth then :evil:
Didn't see a single MKV R32 at the Santa Pod crack 14.5seconds and only saw 2 known modified MKV R32's beat my standing quarter at inters. There were six modded MKIV R32's doing sub 14 seconds, but the only two MKV R32's (non-modded) went down in 14.782 and 15.014. Mine managed 14.476 as standard and at the time with only 2k on the clock and so the engine still would be "tight".
Similarly the two MKV R32's That posted the 1/4 mile times above also posted 6.17 and 6.19 seconds for the 0-60 dash as opposed to my time of 5.66 seconds.
Even in the wet at Inters on Saturday morning I managed 6.02 seconds for the 0-60 and 14.769secs for the standing qtr. :wink:
A simple remap of the Standard MKV GTI will give similar times to my Standard ED30 and a simple remap of the ED30 will drop the 0 - 60 times down to the very low 5's and the low 13's for the standing quarter. To get a similar time for the MKV R32 would involve a significant amount of dosh instead of around £500.
I have no doubt in my mind that given an unlimited amount of money to modify each car would ultimately result in victory for the R32, however we all live in the real world and things steer very easily towards the ED30/std GTI as the better overall car. Sure if you want a pseudo 4WD car that purports to be the ultimate golf then go for it. Us in the know will always know that the GTI is more nimble, understeers less, drinks less and goes better :cool:
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Its mainly to do with the extra weight the r32 carrys over the GTi hense why the turbo GTi makes up for the loss in Horsepower against the R32. Renault is Very very fast, and is a real brute, you may struggle to keep with it. especially the new 230 cup versions.
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I have no doubt in my mind that given an unlimited amount of money to modify each car would ultimately result in victory for the R32, however we all live in the real world and things steer very easily towards the ED30/std GTI as the better overall car.
Yup, fully agree. (Haven't I been bashing on about that very issue elsewhere! :tongue: )
Sure if you want a pseudo 4WD car that purports to be the ultimate golf then go for it. Us in the know will always know that the GTI is more nimble, understeers less, drinks less and goes better :cool:
Sweet ^^^^^ :evil: :evil:
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Its mainly to do with the extra weight the r32 carrys over the GTi hense why the turbo GTi makes up for the loss in Horsepower against the R32.
Also, some of that "extra" horsepower will actually be "lost" due to the increased transmission losses from a hypoid rear differential. It is well known that 4 wheel drive vehicles suffer greater driveline, or transmission losses when compared to a 2 wheel drive layout.
And for some really nerdy 2 wheel drive only info, a rear wheel drive will still suffer greater losses than a front wheel drive - which explains why BMWs are slow, and they don't tell you that in the BMW adverts! :smug: :smug:
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my gti was remapped by celtic tuning, they clain to have put 65hp on the car, this probably is why it beat the R32, I rang them yesterday to get some stats before i put it on the rolling road (just to see if they are acurate) :grin: apparently 265hp, 0-60 in 5.5secs. not a bad price either 350quids :smug:
any ways my friend want his R32 remapped but i doubt it will give it much more power as there is no turbo!! haha :laugh:
ill let you all know the true stats next week, also how the hell do you post pictures??
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Whats the point in having an R32 then apart from getting a nice noise in a tunnel?
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I can't speak for the MK5 but my MK4 always felt lazy and underpowered considering the 3.2V6 lump. As others have mentioned I suppose this is down to the weight and 4WD - why didn't VW load the MK5 with more BHP like the S3?
Lovely sounding/looking car, but since I've been in the ED30 I've never looked back with any regret. I occasionally wish I had the V6 'soundtrack', but the whole GTI package (turbo engine, handling, styling, fuel economy) more than outweighs that!
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Whats the point in having an R32 then apart from getting a nice noise in a tunnel?
Very wet roads apparently.
And personally I really like the seats.
However, couldn't justify the extra dosh over my GTi
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Whats the point in having an R32 then apart from getting a nice noise in a tunnel?
It is the "pinacle" Golf - some people are simply willing to pay for the privelidge of owning the top Golf, irrespective of weather it is actually better than any of its' lesser bretheren. :smug:
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Sounds a bit silly to me, VW really should made the R32 much faster from the sound of things.
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I can't speak for the MK5 but my MK4 always felt lazy and underpowered considering the 3.2V6 lump.
The Mk5 R32 also feels like that, though the V6 torque is quite nice!
As others have mentioned I suppose this is down to the weight and 4WD - why didn't VW load the MK5 with more BHP like the S3?
They can't bump the R32 power up, because the narrow angle design of the R32 VR6 engine makes it difficult to correctly cool. Think of the Bugatti Veyron, with its' W16 engine (basically 2 VR8 blocks mated together), that needs something like TEN radiators to keep it cool. :shocked:
BTW, the S3 does not use the VR6 engine, but actually the 4 cylinder 2 litre FSI turbo, similar to the GTI.
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Whats the point in having an R32 then apart from getting a nice noise in a tunnel?
Very wet roads apparently.
Hmmm - stick some really decent boots on a standard GTI, and I personally doubt there will be any difference on wet roads.
And personally I really like the seats.
What, the same seats which are standard in the GTI?
Or the optional R32 bucket seats, which are also optional in the GTI?? :smug:
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Sounds a bit silly to me, VW really should made the R32 much faster from the sound of things.
See reply #21 - VW can't extract any more power out of the R32 engine without adressing the very serious engine cooling requirements. The emmissions are already pants (just ask all the current R32 owners who will have to pay £400 for road tax - the same tax bracket as lumbering great 4x4s), which means it isn't very efficient.
Why do you think that VAG developed a conventional wide angle 3.2 V6 ?
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wouldn't the R32 beat the GTI hands down when i came to in gear acceleration though?
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I can't speak for the MK5 but my MK4 always felt lazy and underpowered considering the 3.2V6 lump.
The Mk5 R32 also feels like that, though the V6 torque is quite nice!
As others have mentioned I suppose this is down to the weight and 4WD - why didn't VW load the MK5 with more BHP like the S3?
They can't bump the R32 power up, because the narrow angle design of the R32 VR6 engine makes it difficult to correctly cool. Think of the Bugatti Veyron, with its' W16 engine (basically 2 VR8 blocks mated together), that needs something like TEN radiators to keep it cool. :shocked:
I see! thanks for the explan. speaking of which did anyone see the Veyron on Fifth Gear the other night? It doesn't even have a cover over the engine bay to assist with cooling! What a beast! :shocked:
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Yeah saw that on 5th Gear. I loved the shots of the heat haze just coming out the back. Looked like someone had put a BBQ in the back.
Did I hear correctly that Tiff said it can reach temperatures of 1000DegC ?
TT, with the cooling being the case I think its time VW sit down and rethink what the are achieving with the R32 model for the MKVI. The MK4 R32 was resonable as it was considerably quicker than the 1.8T GTi model of the time. With the GTi model now a 200bhp 2.0L FSI Turbo enigne (not to mention the ED30), the whole glamour of the R32 name seems to go away imo.
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Hmmm - stick some really decent boots on a standard GTI, and I personally doubt there will be any difference on wet roads.
Having had a GTI and now R32 and living in wet, dreary, badly surfaced Ireland, I can tell you there is quite a difference in grip between the two(both on Bridgestones). But yes in real world driving the standard R32 isn't much faster than the GTI, I would say that over 90mph the R32 has a slight edge.
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Did I hear correctly that Tiff said it can reach temperatures of 1000DegC ?
Yeah I do recall something along those lines, I have it recorded so might watch it again later... excuse to have a drool :drool: I don't think I've ever seen Tiff so excited, I thought he might wet himself at any moment!! (I guess I would be the same!) :rolleyes:
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Whats the point in having an R32 then apart from getting a nice noise in a tunnel?
Very wet roads apparently.
And personally I really like the seats.
However, couldn't justify the extra dosh over my GTi
Luckily for me my R32 cost me less than a Gti would (leased) so Im more than happy to have a car worth £5k more than the standard Gti. For me the R32 sounds better, handles better, and no doubt in the wet would leave most 2WD's for spray. Agreed that as Hurdy said the stats are not always correct as he found on his runs. But I really do belive your getting a better, more composed car. No real back up for this statement, thats just how it feels. Ask anyone who has driven or owned both cars. As for that crap about understeer!!! Add power and there is no such thing as understeer, the power shifts to the back, and anywhere you point the thing it goes.
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I admit I never experienced any understeer in my MK4 R
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I admit I never experienced any understeer in my MK4 R
I haven't experienced understeer in my MKV R yet either in 12000kms, I must say I find it very balanced just a little softer than the GTI.
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wouldn't the R32 beat the GTI hands down when i came to in gear acceleration though?
Nope. Transmission losses occur at any speed! :nerd:
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I admit I never experienced any understeer in my MK4 R
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As for that crap about understeer!!! Add power and there is no such thing as understeer, the power shifts to the back, and anywhere you point the thing it goes.
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Some people just don't push their cars hard enough do they :rolleyes:
C'mon guys, own up :evil:
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TT, with the cooling being the case I think its time VW sit down and rethink what the are achieving with the R32 model for the MKVI. The MK4 R32 was resonable as it was considerably quicker than the 1.8T GTi model of the time. With the GTi model now a 200bhp 2.0L FSI Turbo enigne (not to mention the ED30), the whole glamour of the R32 name seems to go away imo.
Well, not being party to the VW board, I can't say what their future plans are! :wink: :wink:
And regarding the Mk4 comments, well I don't really think I can voice too much of an opinion, as I'm a relative newcommer to the VAG stable. However, looking briefly at the VR6 engine, it has been around for quite some time. In the Mk4 R32, the already well established VR6 engine was rated at 240PS. When the Mk5 came out, VW felt they could only get an extra 10PS from the VR6 engine, taking it to 240PS.
Regarding the "glamour" of the R32, and specifically with the Mk5, I honestly don't think the R32 is sold as "next step up", in performance terms, from the GTI or Edition30. I personally feel the R32 is sold for a couple of "non-performance" reasons. The first being that it is the "top of the range" Golf, which to some people, is a must at all costs. The second is the "promise" of the 4 wheel drive (though I'm sure we all know on this particular forum that it is NOT a permanent 4 wheel drive system). And the final reason is simply the V6 engine - some peeps just have to have those extra two cylinders, and the associated noises which come from a V6.
Regarding the future Mk6 models, then I think if they do stick with the VR6 lump, then it will still achieve sales, though in much smaller numbers, due to the environmental issues.
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Hmmm - stick some really decent boots on a standard GTI, and I personally doubt there will be any difference on wet roads.
Having had a GTI and now R32 and living in wet, dreary, badly surfaced Ireland, I can tell you there is quite a difference in grip between the two(both on Bridgestones).
But according to others, Bridgestones are shyte in the wet. Try some Michelin Pilot Sport PS2s and you will see a huge difference in wet grip! :nerd:
But yes in real world driving the standard R32 isn't much faster than the GTI, I would say that over 90mph the R32 has a slight edge.
How do you work that out? :huh:
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Whats the point in having an R32 then apart from getting a nice noise in a tunnel?
Very wet roads apparently.
And personally I really like the seats.
However, couldn't justify the extra dosh over my GTi
Luckily for me my R32 cost me less than a Gti would (leased) so Im more than happy to have a car worth £5k more than the standard Gti.
I personally don't know how you worked that out! Someone at the stealer must have c0cked up the figures somewhere.
For me the R32 sounds better,
I don't think anyone is doubting that a standard R32 sounds better than a standard GTI or Ed30.
handles better, and no doubt in the wet would leave most 2WD's for spray.
Then sadly, you are misguided. Every single published test on the R32 states that handles worse than the GTI. As for wet traction, a reasonably competent driver would achieve nigh-on identical wet traction with the GTI and R32. For general wet handling, particularly cornering, 4 wheel drive makes absolutley NO difference.
Agreed that as Hurdy said the stats are not always correct as he found on his runs.
I think Hurdys experience merely backs up what has already been stated in all the journo reports.
But I really do belive your getting a better, more composed car. No real back up for this statement, thats just how it feels.
Why do you think that. The interior is identical to the GTI, save for a different aluminuim trim, and different colour needles. The handling is actually worse than the GTI, and the ride comfort is much worse than the GTI. Oh, and the boot is considerably smaller than the GTI, which is pretty important if it is your only means of transport.
It is probably just a "placebo" effect - you have bought a more expensive car, so you naturally "think" that it must be better than its' sibling minnows!
Ask anyone who has driven or owned both cars. As for that crap about understeer!!!
Erm, I HAVE driven the two (R32 manual, and GTI manual on 18"s) side by side, on the same day, in identical weather conditions, on the same Michelin Pilot Exalto PE2 tyres. When pushed to the limits, the GTI remains neutral, but the R32 DOES understeer - quite a lot!
Add power and there is no such thing as understeer, the power shifts to the back, and anywhere you point the thing it goes.
Two things, if you are getting understeer on zero or trailing throttle, then you arn't diving properly. Secondly, if you claim that by adding power and "remove" the understeer, then you are no-where near the limit. I suggest you find some private facilities, where you can "explore", in safety, the limits of your car.
Furthermore, your claim that "power shifts to the back" clearly demonstrates the poor dynamics of the R32 Haldex part-time four wheel drive system.
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I admit I never experienced any understeer in my MK4 R
Erm . . . we are only referring to the Mk5 !!!! :wink: :smiley:
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Hmmm - stick some really decent boots on a standard GTI, and I personally doubt there will be any difference on wet roads.
Having had a GTI and now R32 and living in wet, dreary, badly surfaced Ireland, I can tell you there is quite a difference in grip between the two(both on Bridgestones).
But according to others, Bridgestones are shyte in the wet. Try some Michelin Pilot Sport PS2s and you will see a huge difference in wet grip! :nerd:
But yes in real world driving the standard R32 isn't much faster than the GTI, I would say that over 90mph the R32 has a slight edge.
How do you work that out? :huh:
Michelins will be on my shopping list when my tyres are due to be changed which shouldn't be long now :wink:, my point was on even shyte tyres there is a noticable difference in wet grip between the Gti and R32.
Regarding the speed issue, its purely seat of the pants, the R just feels like it accelerates faster at those kind of speeds. :smiley:
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Hmmm - stick some really decent boots on a standard GTI, and I personally doubt there will be any difference on wet roads.
Having had a GTI and now R32 and living in wet, dreary, badly surfaced Ireland, I can tell you there is quite a difference in grip between the two(both on Bridgestones).
But according to others, Bridgestones are shyte in the wet. Try some Michelin Pilot Sport PS2s and you will see a huge difference in wet grip! :nerd:
But yes in real world driving the standard R32 isn't much faster than the GTI, I would say that over 90mph the R32 has a slight edge.
How do you work that out? :huh:
Michelins will be on my shopping list when my tyres are due to be changed which shouldn't be long now :wink:,
Good man! :wink: :grin:
my point was on even shyte tyres there is a noticable difference in wet grip between the Gti and R32.
Hmmmm . . . that is sort of "reverse" logic. What you are actually proving is not the traction abilties of the car, but simply the shytness of the tyres. :nerd:
Regarding the speed issue, its purely seat of the pants, the R just feels like it accelerates faster at those kind of speeds. :smiley:
Ah, OK - fair comment.
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wouldn't the R32 beat the GTI hands down when i came to in gear acceleration though?
Nope. Transmission losses occur at any speed! :nerd:
I meant because of the extra torque the R32 has over the GTI
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wouldn't the R32 beat the GTI hands down when i came to in gear acceleration though?
Nope. Transmission losses occur at any speed! :nerd:
I meant because of the extra torque the R32 has over the GTI
Someone on here had their ED30 rolling roaded and it had over 240lb/ft of torque as standard. The R32 "only" has an official 236lb/ft, so there is nothing in it again and yet the ED30 is a lot lighter. :nerd:
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I have a MKV R32 on order and felt compelled to register/post. I've just read the entire thread and I have to say there's a lot of "wrong information" and a general underlying hint of jealousy which I think is a shame. It seems as though everyone's trying to justify their purchase.
Here's a Top Gear vid that compares the GTI and MKV lap times. I'm fully aware that this is an isolated test and may not reflect the true performance difference that you'd get on a variety of tracks with different driving styles but it may help to stem the tide of unbalanced comments...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjtTuBTJYSc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjtTuBTJYSc)
Ps. Congrat's to the OP, sounds like you've got a fast car there chap!
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The interesting thing on this test is that the R32 seems to handle better round the hammer head keeping within in the line where else the GTI goes wide outside the line, doesnt look like the R32 understeers at all from this test. The 4 wheel drive stops it from understeering. Infact on the whole circuit it looks like it handles better than the GTI round the track. I am a MK 5 GTI owner and seeing that back to back the R32 does look impressive.
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I have a MKV R32 on order and felt compelled to register/post. I've just read the entire thread and I have to say there's a lot of "wrong information" and a general underlying hint of jealousy which I think is a shame. It seems as though everyone's trying to justify their purchase.
Here's a Top Gear vid that compares the GTI and MKV lap times. I'm fully aware that this is an isolated test and may not reflect the true performance difference that you'd get on a variety of tracks with different driving styles but it may help to stem the tide of unbalanced comments...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjtTuBTJYSc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjtTuBTJYSc)
Ps. Congrat's to the OP, sounds like you've got a fast car there chap!
No jealousy at all (MKV GTI owner), I think the point that was being made is the MKv GTI with remap is slightly faster compared to the R32, just imagine how much quicker that lap time would've been had they used a revo'd gti. Bottom line is both cars are fab and in their own rights and very polished performers. I have seen loads of vids showing both as clear winners, down to the car, the weather, overall conditions etc etc on the day! :wink:
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and as i was saying, when cuppled with the dsg transmission, the GTi is quicker then a manual as shown in the video.Dsg GTi remapped and R32 would then be a match as i did say at the start of all this!
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wouldn't the R32 beat the GTI hands down when i came to in gear acceleration though?
Nope. Transmission losses occur at any speed! :nerd:
I meant because of the extra torque the R32 has over the GTI
And . . . . transmission losses will sap torque as well as power!
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Hi Dave, and welcome to the forum.
I have a MKV R32 on order and felt compelled to register/post. I've just read the entire thread and I have to say there's a lot of "wrong information" and a general underlying hint of jealousy which I think is a shame. It seems as though everyone's trying to justify their purchase.
I personally don't hink anyone is trying to justify their own purchases. I do however think we are all trying to dispel, as you state, "wrong information", particularly around some of the unrealistic comments which indicate that the R32 is a quantum leap ahead of the GTI. I think we all here go about that in a generally friendly manner, and just because we have a bit of banter on the way, I personally don't feel there is any jealousy. If there were any jealousy, I think I would be on the receiving end, if you look at my sig! :wink: :smiley:
Here's a Top Gear vid that compares the GTI and MKV lap times. I'm fully aware that this is an isolated test and may not reflect the true performance difference that you'd get on a variety of tracks with different driving styles but it may help to stem the tide of unbalanced comments...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjtTuBTJYSc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjtTuBTJYSc)
Hmm, that vid repeatedly states the GTI does not suffer from understeer, but the 32 does. Also, on the very last "Gambon" corner, the R32 runs horrendously wide, yet the GTI holds a better line. Oh, and you can't state the vid is comparing lap times, as they are clearly done on different days.
Clarksons' quotes of the GTI:
"looking very, very tidy", "no real understeer at all"
And Clarksons' quotes of the R32:
"front wheels spinning . . . before the computer shoves more power to the back", at the hammer head - "a heavy V6 at the front, that will make it understeer", "you can see the car coming back into line as the electronics shuffle the power around".
One crucial thing about that test, just like all "airfield" type of tests it that they bear absolutlely no resemblence to real world roads. We have much tighter bends, we have to stop at junctions, and the most crucial thing - we have to keep our cars on line. If we loose the back or front, then you will find a kerb, ditch, tree, dry stone wall, or another road user!
It is in this "real world" environment where the GTI, with its' much more neutral handling, is better than the R32.
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The interesting thing on this test is that the R32 seems to handle better round the hammer head keeping within in the line where else the GTI goes wide outside the line,
Yes, I noticed that too. However, the GTI did not understeer - I'm guessing either the Stig got the line wrong, or simply chose a different line. Chosing a different line (all the F1 drivers did so at that point) should not be confused with understeer caused by vehicle dynamics.
doesnt look like the R32 understeers at all from this test.
Oh, it does. You need to look at the angle of the road wheels relative to the corner.
The 4 wheel drive stops it from understeering.
The "part time" 4wd system the R32 uses will not prevent understeer. Understeer is caused purely by vehicle dynamics (unless the driver is being a numpty, and intentionally provokoing understeer) - which include weight distribution, suspension geometery and tyres.
Infact on the whole circuit it looks like it handles better than the GTI round the track.
Hmmm, I have to disagree. The final corner where the R32 ran wide was not too good. I actually think that vid probably shows a "score draw", rather than an out-right win.
I am a MK 5 GTI owner and seeing that back to back the R32 does look impressive.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I think they both look impressive. However, the R32 is no better than the GTI. The R32 is certainly NOT worth the premium price increase, based on the handling stakes.
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Dsg GTi remapped and R32 would then be a match as i did say at the start of all this!
I think you've dramatically underestimated that scenario. A remaped GTI really would be noticeably quicker than a standard, or even remapped R32.
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Dsg GTi remapped and R32 would then be a match as i did say at the start of all this!
I think you've dramatically underestimated that scenario. A remaped GTI really would be noticeably quicker than a standard, or even remapped R32.
I would say you are completely right there, I don't know about other MkV R32 owners here but I certainly didn't buy my R with the misconception that it was the fastest VW out there (otherwise I'd be driving a mad jap thing), I had a GTI for year before it and it had very similar performance, I bought it for the following reasons, 1. In Ireland to spec a GTI to the same spec as a standard R with leather leaves you with barely 2K(Euro) in the difference, so for the sake of a bit of exclusivity I went for the R, 2. Six cyl and the associated noises. 3. AWD Security, I know this is a bone of contention here, but the roads I drive and weather here it does make a difference.
After 7 months ownership it still interests me as how different a drive it is to the GTI, its slightly less sharp than the Gti, I do find it more comfortable(as does my family), the engine is finally starting to wake up and dominates the car and really endowes it with character. Ok it has a drink and emissions problem (and road tax here is £700) and a pathetic boot but my annual milage is now very low so it doesn't cause a huge problem. :wink: :smiley:
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Dsg GTi remapped and R32 would then be a match as i did say at the start of all this!
I think you've dramatically underestimated that scenario. A remaped GTI really would be noticeably quicker than a standard, or even remapped R32.
I would say you are completely right there, I don't know about other MkV R32 owners here but I certainly didn't buy my R with the misconception that it was the fastest VW out there (otherwise I'd be driving a mad jap thing), I had a GTI for year before it and it had very similar performance, I bought it for the following reasons, 1. In Ireland to spec a GTI to the same spec as a standard R with leather leaves you with barely 2K(Euro) in the difference, so for the sake of a bit of exclusivity I went for the R, 2. Six cyl and the associated noises. 3. AWD Security, I know this is a bone of contention here, but the roads I drive and weather here it does make a difference.
After 7 months ownership it still interests me as how different a drive it is to the GTI, its slightly less sharp than the Gti, I do find it more comfortable(as does my family), the engine is finally starting to wake up and dominates the car and really endowes it with character. Ok it has a drink and emissions problem (and road tax here is £700) and a pathetic boot but my annual milage is now very low so it doesn't cause a huge problem. :wink: :smiley:
OK, thumbs up for a good post. :smiley:
A couple of points:
HOW much for road tax!!!
And the AWD issue - yes, it does work, in that it (eventually) transmits power to both axles. However, my bone of contention is the actual way it operates. It relies on the front wheels LOOSING traction before it then decides to send power to the rear. During this transitional phase, the handling can be compromised, and you can actually feel it swapping ends (the power distribution) through the seat of your pants. This is exactly how those nasty, crap, rice burner, "playstation on wheels", overrated Scoobs and Evos work. :sick:
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Dsg GTi remapped and R32 would then be a match as i did say at the start of all this!
I think you've dramatically underestimated that scenario. A remaped GTI really would be noticeably quicker than a standard, or even remapped R32.
I would say you are completely right there, I don't know about other MkV R32 owners here but I certainly didn't buy my R with the misconception that it was the fastest VW out there (otherwise I'd be driving a mad jap thing), I had a GTI for year before it and it had very similar performance, I bought it for the following reasons, 1. In Ireland to spec a GTI to the same spec as a standard R with leather leaves you with barely 2K(Euro) in the difference, so for the sake of a bit of exclusivity I went for the R, 2. Six cyl and the associated noises. 3. AWD Security, I know this is a bone of contention here, but the roads I drive and weather here it does make a difference.
After 7 months ownership it still interests me as how different a drive it is to the GTI, its slightly less sharp than the Gti, I do find it more comfortable(as does my family), the engine is finally starting to wake up and dominates the car and really endowes it with character. Ok it has a drink and emissions problem (and road tax here is £700) and a pathetic boot but my annual milage is now very low so it doesn't cause a huge problem. :wink: :smiley:
OK, thumbs up for a good post. :smiley:
A couple of points:
HOW much for road tax!!!
And the AWD issue - yes, it does work, in that it (eventually) transmits power to both axles. However, my bone of contention is the actual way it operates. It relies on the front wheels LOOSING traction before it then decides to send power to the rear. During this transitional phase, the handling can be compromised, and you can actually feel it swapping ends (the power distribution) through the seat of your pants. This is exactly how those nasty, crap, rice burner, "playstation on wheels", overrated Scoobs and Evos work. :sick:
sorry to butt in but after a friend of mine had an evo for a bit i can say they are not crap and are one of the best 'drivers' cars i have been in! they are so fast its gob smacking! far better than any golf! not a fan of the scooby's mind! :undecided:
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GOOD POST EVAD!!
I have to agree that I didnt buy me r32 so i could have the fastest car on the road, but because of the superior ride quality, v6, and handling. Correct im probably not going to beat a remapped gti or ed30. But who really cares? It p1sses it down here most of the time.. so having the 4wd is always a help. Yes you can feel the power shift to the rear if you give it some welly, but i quite like this!
I have had a few run ins with gti's already and none of them have even bothered to try keep up.. after the 100 mark the handling of the R32 really excels anyway.
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Dsg GTi remapped and R32 would then be a match as i did say at the start of all this!
I think you've dramatically underestimated that scenario. A remaped GTI really would be noticeably quicker than a standard, or even remapped R32.
I would say you are completely right there, I don't know about other MkV R32 owners here but I certainly didn't buy my R with the misconception that it was the fastest VW out there (otherwise I'd be driving a mad jap thing), I had a GTI for year before it and it had very similar performance, I bought it for the following reasons, 1. In Ireland to spec a GTI to the same spec as a standard R with leather leaves you with barely 2K(Euro) in the difference, so for the sake of a bit of exclusivity I went for the R, 2. Six cyl and the associated noises. 3. AWD Security, I know this is a bone of contention here, but the roads I drive and weather here it does make a difference.
After 7 months ownership it still interests me as how different a drive it is to the GTI, its slightly less sharp than the Gti, I do find it more comfortable(as does my family), the engine is finally starting to wake up and dominates the car and really endowes it with character. Ok it has a drink and emissions problem (and road tax here is £700) and a pathetic boot but my annual milage is now very low so it doesn't cause a huge problem. :wink: :smiley:
OK, thumbs up for a good post. :smiley:
A couple of points:
HOW much for road tax!!!
And the AWD issue - yes, it does work, in that it (eventually) transmits power to both axles. However, my bone of contention is the actual way it operates. It relies on the front wheels LOOSING traction before it then decides to send power to the rear. During this transitional phase, the handling can be compromised, and you can actually feel it swapping ends (the power distribution) through the seat of your pants. This is exactly how those nasty, crap, rice burner, "playstation on wheels", overrated Scoobs and Evos work. :sick:
Yip 1383 euros to mister government man to keep our roads as crap as they are :embarassed:
When I initially got the car I discovered this handling trate, but as I have got used to driving it I've learned to adapt to it, in fwd my initial reaction to front wheel slip if to lift off slightly causing the back end to become slightly light, hence helping the car come back on line, with the R if you do this you get this stange reaction from the diffs, but I have learned to ignore this reaction now and by keeping the foot in (even applying more power) the effect is much reduced (I'm sure the electronics are helping here), yes its nose led but still enjoyable. :smiley:
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......and road tax here is £700.....
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Ok, I give in. Enjoy your forum :smiley:
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Had a go with an R32 yesterday, we just had couple of short runs. I did miss a gear as my left arm was trying to emulate a DSG :embarassed:. I'm revo'd up (3.5k miles on the clock) and there's not a lot in it, but IMO a gti with a decent remap is slightly faster.
As expected, the R32 is superior when accelerating from standstill around a bend. He was behind me at a roundabout, we turned left and I accelerated trying to avoid wheelspin (2nd gear). He started to creep around the outside of me so I floored it and just seemed to wheelspin for ever. By the time I stopped spinning we were about level. It was a shame cos at this point we had to break off.
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ulucky, what tyers u got? was it wet? when i raced one it was a straight drag, i won :smug: :drool:
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ulucky, what tyers u got? was it wet? when i raced one it was a straight drag, i won :smug: :drool:
Was in the dry. I've got Michelin exalto's at the moment,, only bout 3mm left,,, pilot sport ps2's next
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ulucky, what tyers u got? was it wet? when i raced one it was a straight drag, i won :smug: :drool:
Was in the dry. I've got Michelin exalto's at the moment,, only bout 3mm left,,, pilot sport ps2's next
Probably 2.5mm now, after a wheelspin around a roundabout :grin: