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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Cupra Turbo on 20 February 2004, 15:19
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MG had a leaflet out and I read it ages ago and was shoked.
it CLAIMS a few things
ALL MG-ZR's (inc 1.4) are faster than the mk4 2.0 GTI to 60mph.
MG-ZT 190 can get go from 0 - 60 - 0 before the mk4 GTI 2.0 can get from 0 - 60.
MG-ZT has better body stiffness than BMW 3 & 5 series
MG-ZR 160 faster than a Audi A3 1.8t 180bhp
MG-TF has better power-weight than a 180Bhp Audi TT
... its basically saying that all MG's are better than the other hot hatches, sports cars, performance cars etc
COMPLETE CRAP!
I sure if u put a 2.0 mk4 and a 1.4 ZR on a drag strip and raced them ... the Golf would win.
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have you got the leaflet, would like a look ;)
my mum just bought the zr 160bhp but shes such a sunday driver - totally wont let me have a go. :P
have to admit its a nice car, surprised they need to slag off other manufacturers to sell it tho :-\
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Doesnt the Mk4 Gti 2.0 do 0-60 in about 10.5secs? whereas the MG-ZR is about 7.5.
the ZT 190 does 0-60 in about 7.5 secs so 60-0 in 3 secs does sounds like its pushing it.
I can believe that the ZT is stiffer. Why not?
Both the ZR160 and Audi A3 1.8T do 0-60 in about the same time.
And the TF has a better power to weight.
Can't see why thats complete crap?
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i agree with Rover, they are comparing the figures against the 2.0 non-turbo GTi, which is only 115bhp and weighs about 3 ton
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they're still rover's at the end of the day ::)
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renaults french but 5 turbo is still quick, does it mention that there cars will depriciate, fall apart, look dated quicker as well ;)
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Their just slagging every1 off to sell cars!
and sum of it is BS!
A 190 ZT does 0-60-0 faster than a GTI? I doubt it.. be hard pushed to beat the 1.6.
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Check the figures, any ZR beats the VW 2.0 GTI.
Sad isn't it?
But this isn't a problem with MG Rover, this is a problem with VW. When super market trolleys are beating the King of Hot Hatches, The VW Golf GTI, is it the trolley at fault or maybe - shock - gasp - the cr*ppy VW?
And lets face it - what the FFFF is a Golf doing sporting the GTI badge with a time of 10.5seconds?!!?!
The whole GTI brand is being made a joke of by VW at the by badging such vehicles.
Ever thought the Escort GTI was a joke - well VW have gone one better. They put the badge on a car that deserved it less than the Escort. At least the Ford manged to make 60 in under 10seconds!!!!
Theres nothing like self depreciating humour. Who'd of though VW would use the same humour on their own vehicles. Cunning, very cunning.
Tin
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Their just slagging every1 off to sell cars!
and sum of it is BS!
A 190 ZT does 0-60-0 faster than a GTI? I doubt it.. be hard pushed to beat the 1.6.
Stone the crows - a manufacturer slagging another one off!!! How could that of happened?
Its not like they are making similar products - sorry - they are. Its a car. They are both car manufacturers. Fancy that....
Tin
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Its not even as though they're slagging them off - they're making performance comparisons, which is what manufacturers do everyday.
If, as a manufacurer, you aren't allowed to make comparisons against another manufacturers product, be it on the grounds of performance, equipment or quality, how can your put a product in to context?
I think you're over-reacting a little here. I have friends who drive ZR's and ZS's and - like it or loath it - they are genuinely quick cars.
I have personally driven a ZT 190, and whilst its never going to set the road alight (hence the need for the V8 version) it is a quick car.
If there was a ZT 190 and Mk4 2.0 GTi lined up against one another on the strip my money would be on the MG, and so would anyone else's that's actually driven one.
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so u reckon a ZT get accelerate to sixty and brake back to zero before a Golf GTI 2.0 has even got to sixty???
like was said earlier.. can a ZT brake from sixty to 0 in 3secs??
A Porsche would be hard pushed to do that
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I don't believe I said that did I?
I said they were quick, which they are.
I said that Rover weren't slagging off other manufacturers cars, they were making comparisons.
However, 15 seconds search on the web reveals that the ZT 190 actually stops from 60 mph in 2.5 seconds.
Thats an independant site thats achieved that figure, not an MG Rover one, incase you were wondering.
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so u reckon a ZT get accelerate to sixty and brake back to zero before a Golf GTI 2.0 has even got to sixty???
like was said earlier.. can a ZT brake from sixty to 0 in 3secs??
A Porsche would be hard pushed to do that
Slowest braking car from 60 is the mk2 range rover which does it in 3.3 seconds. The fastest is a 996 Turbo at 2.5seconds. Everything is in between and fairly equal.
Tin
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Rovers aren't great
The paintwork is seriously crap and doesn't last , the cars are prone to headgasket failures.
Do you still want to buy a rover?
:D
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Im gonna post summet now, that'll piss off all U mk3 16v owners.
ACCORDING TO MANUFACTURERS FIGURES: -
VW Golf GTI 16v 150Bhp - 0-60 = 8.7secs (VW Manual)
MG ZR 120 16v 115Bhp - 0-60 = 8.6secs (MG Manual)
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Now how'd ya feel?
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Renualt 5 Gt turbo 1.4 8v 120bhp - 0-60 7.3 seconds
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yes, but I've had socks that weighed more than a Renault 5.
The MG ZR is approx the same weight as a Golf mk3!!!
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from whatcar.co.uk
MG ZR 120 - Kerb weight (kg) 1030
I thought the mk3's was around 1200?
and how to the hell did you walk with 740kg socks! :o
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1030Kg??? LMAO
My brothers Rover 200 1.1 weighs 1000Kg.
its not NO electrics, NO Big alloys, NO fancy spoilers/bodykit, NO nothing... its PLAIN BASIC and has a lighter 1.1 engine.
So .. I think u can say that the ZR120 = 1100Kg and the mk3 = 1150Kg
and the mk3 16v has 35Bhp MORE. and MORE torque.. and slower?
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That can't be correct as that would go against the law of physics. They can't be the same weight and different power but same 0-60 unless the rover has a very low top speed, ie. the 0-60 is good because of the gearing, but sh!t top speed.
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vr6, thats EXACTLY what I say!
The ZR120 (115bhp) has a top speed of 119Mph.
the 8v 115Bhp GTI has a top speed of 124Mph
so there 5mph difference... with those two ... the 16v does about 134Mph.
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Well that will be it then , the rover is fast 0-60 because of the gearing.
Put the rover against the 16v on a motorway, and the 16v will piss all over it.
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Just makes me laugh... cos of the gearing its faster than my car... if Vw put shorter gearing on the 8v, it'd be a lot faster to 60!
maybe theres a way to do that *cunning plan*
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it's called a 1.6 gearbox
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Thanx ;D :D ;)
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I'd rather have a 2.0 Mk4 than a Rover, anyday. But I don't think the 2.0 8v should really ever have been marketed as a GTI. 2 litre 'sport' would probably have been a better title.
Rich
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Im gonna post summet now, that'll piss off all U mk3 16v owners.
ACCORDING TO MANUFACTURERS FIGURES: -
VW Golf GTI 16v 150Bhp - 0-60 = 8.7secs (VW Manual)
MG ZR 120 16v 115Bhp - 0-60 = 8.6secs (MG Manual)
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Now how'd ya feel?
Don't buy a MK3 golf GTi if you want to beat every trevor in a new MG at the trafic lights, buy one if you don't want a rusty, tatty car in three years time, with the door cards curling up and pieces dropping out of the dash, the head gasket exploding and you spending most of your life sitting on a grass verge watching people in 15 year old golfs on motorways pointing and laughing.
I can't quite imagine any MG looking nearly new and being worth ?4,000 ofter 7 1/2 years.
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I read two very interesting hot topics( MG & Clio) this morning, all very much dwelling on speed of our beloved VW Golf against other competitors. We can out run some of them but not all.
We must realise that technology in engineering has moved on and advancement in that field don?t mark time. VW engineering gurus must be a pace or two ahead of its competitors or else we may struggle badly in years to come when we essentially need the speed to overtake the likes of MG, Honda, Mazda and other models.
Undoubtedly, VW golf is a great car but other competitors are catching up and that is a fact. I keep my Dub nevertheless. It?s old but great thrill to drive.
Shall I say when you love something you love it because of a quality. And that thing called quality is a list of things. Just settling on one aspect (speed) is indeed not fair.
You don?t fall in love with a woman just because she looks sexy. What about the other departments, er?? Well, it all boils down to personal preferences.
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it is a joke when vw cant make the gti's properly anymore.... but mg are in the s*** as ever likely they are trying their best to sell the cars as they have not sold many.......and are close to going bust again...!
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Personally i'd like to see MG do well.
Its a shame whats happened to them over the years.
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ou don?t fall in love with a woman just because she looks sexy.
Really? ... what else are u meant to look at? ???
btw, I saw a mk4 2.0 GTI in a carpark the otherday badged like so
GOLF 2.0
... NO GTI BADGE ...
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Point is it comes as a package.
Speed is important but so too is comfort, status, style,
realiability....etc.
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Depends what you want from your car at that point in your life.
If a VW doesnt suite your needs - no matter how much screaming will put it right.
Tin