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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: p3eps on 10 July 2007, 20:38
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I'm trying to run a cable through from the engine compartment into the cabin,
Someone on a forum (not sure if it was here or not?) suggested that there is a grommit behind the battery - and that if I take the battery out I can simply push the cable through there and it will pop out above the passenger footwell.
My car has finally been in to VW and had the door panel they wrecked replaced - so now that everything is sorted, I'd like to get the last of my equipment installed! I had a look at the battery a minute ago, but cant see how it comes out?
Can anyone shed any light?!
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duno about the battery but the bung: http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/thread/902967.aspx
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Does that not involve removing the glove compartment to get at the cable though?
Might go out to my garage and have a wee lookie though!!!
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loosen the 2 10mm nuts on the terminals and then there is a 13mm bolt holding the clamp on, take this off and the battery will lift out.
You will have to reset your clock, radio code and one touch windows afterwards though
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I think this is probably the same place as the one behind the battery.
Nice and easy - it aint! Unless you have pixie hands!
If you pop out the wee bit of foam and pull back the rubber a bit you can get inside enough to see the 'bung' or 'grommit'.
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The problem is that any normal person is going to have to actually take the wipers off (I think) in order to remove that bit of plastic under them - so that you can get your hand in properly and remove it. You also need to feed the cable through, and then put the grommit back in so that no water gets through.
The way its positioned, it looks like it would be behind the battery too. Personally, I think removing the battery would be a much less risky procedure than taking the wipers off!
Now if only someone would tell me how to get the battery out :wink:
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loosen the 2 10mm nuts on the terminals and then there is a 13mm bolt holding the clamp on, take this off and the battery will lift out.
You will have to reset your clock, radio code and one touch windows afterwards though
Ah... thank you!!!!
Clock is no probs (I'm assuming using the buttons in the instrument dials?) and the stereo code doesnt apply as I have an Alpine. What is the the one touch window?!
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battery removal is in post above yours
If your feeling brave pop the covers off the bottom of the wipers, take off the 2 13mm bolts, close the bonnet. turn ignition on activate the wipers, turn them back off, turn off ignition and with igniton off press wiper stalk down, this should make the wipers stop vertically against the screen.
Lift the wiper arms one at a time and give them a wiggle side to side and the whole arms should then come off, then just remove the trim but be careful as its easy to snap so you would probably be best to just lift it up more
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One touch windows is the function you get when you tap the switch to make the window go completely from one end of its travel to the other, i.e completely open or completely closed
To reset it take the window to the top, release the button then press and hold the button again to go up and you should hear a click, go to the bottom and do the same process then the one touch is set
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I dont know if I am that brave! I dont mind taking things apart inside - but not to keen on hacking the outside apart!
To reset it take the window to the top, release the button then press and hold the button again to go up and you should hear a click, go to the bottom and do the same process then the one touch is set
I take it this just defines the top and bottom points so that the car knows where they should stop?
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I dont know if I am that brave! I dont mind taking things apart inside - but not to keen on hacking the outside apart!
To reset it take the window to the top, release the button then press and hold the button again to go up and you should hear a click, go to the bottom and do the same process then the one touch is set
I take it this just defines the top and bottom points so that the car knows where they should stop?
Yes thats right
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I'll have a go at taking the battery out tomorrow I think. I tend to analyse everything and figure out what I'm going to do before actually doing it! This sometimes means taking things apart twice - but hey ho!
I need to extend my cable first, as I dont think its going to be long enough to reach where I want it to anyway.
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Thats not the right grommet in your picture under the scuttle. There is another to the left between the black airvent and the ECU box, roughly inline with the battery. You have to get down low and look up into the space under the scuttle to see it. A round black thing the size of a 10p
I used some twin and earth electrical cable as a draw wire (ie stiff cable), pushed through the hole and it appeared in the passenger foot well without taking the glove box out.
BTW the two plastic things that hold the foam trim to the underside of the passenger dash unscrew (cos I snapped one off whoops!)
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The other mistake I made was the grommet disappeared behind the dash, hence the tape at the moment.
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is the hole big enough for 0awg cable?? :p
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Thats not the right grommet in your picture under the scuttle. There is another to the left between the black airvent and the ECU box, roughly inline with the battery. You have to get down low and look up into the space under the scuttle to see it. A round black thing the size of a 10p
Sorry to seem stupid - but I cant figure out where you mean! I was looking under my bonnet just now and cant see anything that looks like your pic. Is this with the battery out? Is the 'scuttle' the bit of plastic under the wipers that I was prizing up to take my pic?
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OK... I've just been out for another look - and I can see the 10p size grommet.
My next question is - how the hell do you get in about to it to push a cable through?!?!
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grr wish i had mine to see it!
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I basically pushed the grommet through to the inside of the car where it disappeared never to be seen again. But I am sure careful use of a small screwdriver could lever it out for safe keeping.
On the other side of it is a layer of sound insulation, but there is a ready made slit in it so to speak that you can push the wire through. As I mentioned you definitely need some stiff cable to use as a draw wire.
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nice.
mines 0awg, so bloody stiff!!
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I basically pushed the grommet through to the inside of the car where it disappeared never to be seen again. But I am sure careful use of a small screwdriver could lever it out for safe keeping.
On the other side of it is a layer of sound insulation, but there is a ready made slit in it so to speak that you can push the wire through. As I mentioned you definitely need some stiff cable to use as a draw wire.
Did you take the whole scuttle panel off to get in about - or did you just do it from a distance?
I wouldnt consider my hands big - but theres no way I could get them in there!
I was thinking about attaching my wire to a coathanger and pushing it through? Is there anything else in the hole that I'd risk damaging using this?
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nice.
mines 0awg, so bloody stiff!!
thats like 8mm thick, I said cable not rod :laugh:
@p3eps
I took the rubber seal off so the front of the scuttle panel lifts up, and attacking it from the passenger side wing I could certainly get my left arm in under there.
I think you need something more flexible than a coathanger as it has to start heading downwards once though into the car and there is alot of aircon cabling under there which could be easily damaged with such a thing. As I said some twin and earth cable is what I had to hand and seemed to be the right balance of stiffness and flexibility. Unfortunately the mass of plastic aircon bits means it has to make it to the bottom as you cannot get an arm up the inside to grab it.
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So just peel off the whole rubber seal and squeeze my arm in?!
I need 3 core cable - so perhaps some mains cable would be strong enough with the flexibility I need.
Its dark now - so I'll hopefully have time to give it a go tomorrow.
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yes, the panel will lift up enough if the rubber seal is totally removed.
Any cable with a bit of weight to it should do the trick.
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Right...
I removed the rubber seal and had a go!
I managed to get my arm in with a pair of pliers and tried to grab hold of the grommit. Unfortunately the same thing happened, and it fell down the back!
God knows how to find it again?!
Anyway - I pushed my finger in and tried to find the 'slit'. I didnt seem to have one, so I pushed a pocket knife in through the foam and then pushed my finger in to expand it a bit and make sure it was right through. I could then feel metal when I put my finger right in.
I threaded my cable in downwards and pushed about 1.5 meters through the hole. I undid the 2 thumb screws in the footwell which allow the foam top bit to be moved. I then pushed my hands up and grabbed about - and felt nothing!
I unreeled my cable and tried again. I must've tried about 15 times in total, but every time there was nothing there. Eventually it started raining - so I quickly put my rubber seal back in and gave up! My cable is about 4mm thick and pretty sturdy.
My arms and hands are all shredded and bleeding :cry: (the inside of the metal bits are sharp!) and I'm no further forward! I'll need to try again soon - and see about filling the hole from the grommit with something!
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not having much luck are you?
I can only suggest that once the cable is poked in, get you head under the dash with a torch and have a good look up between the plastic bits to try and see it. I seem to remember my cable ended up more towards the front of dash, so I just reached in and pulled it down the last little bit. I think that was the first attempt as well, so I must be very lucky then.
And the grommet will be stuck between the foam and the bulkhead somewhere so you wont get it back.
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I went for it today!!!
Removed the glove box, and poked the cable through. No wonder I could never catch it - it seemed to coil up as soon as it got through!
I routed it where I wanted with plenty of tie wraps so that it doesnt rattle about and then put the glove box back together. It was only 7 screws, but a bit of a pain trying to get it back in on my own!
I took it for a wee drive afterwards - and there are no rattles... so I'm pretty happy!
Now I need to get a replacement grommit to fill the hole!
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dude, where are you locating the cable inside the car? or is the cable not going to the boot?
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Sorry for not replying - I've just moved house and the broadband has just been switched on now!
4 days without internet is a killer!
My cable is just into the ashtray area... its for my Micro RoadPilot.
Have you installed the Alpine / CanBus yet, and how'd you get on?
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nope not yet, may do it this weekend. however i need to find out where the heck im going to put a 0awg power cable, 3 racs and the remote cable... :-|