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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Haribo! on 05 June 2007, 04:37
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ive been considering selling my mk2 gti as it has some irritating problems that do my head in and i cant work out how to fix them and no one else seems to be able to either,I fancy a corrado, one question tho to help me decide, what will get me up the road quicker, a vr6 or a g60? what are the ruff 0-60 times for these?
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not sure of the figures but would go for a vr given the choice, think its the quicker too. LOL not sure a rado is the best choice of car if irritating problems get you down, they seem to be endless/one after the next on Rado's! :laugh:
Still love em tho! :cool:
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I like the corrado too, but the choice of engines is difficult.
The VR6 is heavier, but it's the 2.9 with just a little bit more power (190bhp) that the Golf's 2.8.
The G60 engine will be lighter, but only had 160bhp and of course you have the added cost of charger rebuilds.
You could just get the 2.0 16v with 150bhp.
I'd go for the VR if you can find one in good condition.
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hm, another mind change for me, does the vr6 engine fit in the mk2 golf?
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Yeah, the VR6 engine is a popular option for the Mk2 because they're generally cheaper than the 1.8T (from the Mk4).
If you did the swap you'd need the engine, loom, gearbox, uprated brakes and suspension (to cope with the weight and power), to mention just a few.
It can be done at home to save money, check out Rob119's project to see how he did it: http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=27432.0 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=27432.0)
The 2.8 VR6 from is fairly easy to find because it was in the Golf, Sharan and Passat, but it's (only!) 174bhp.
The 2.9 VR6 was only in the Corrado, so more difficult to find and may be more expensive because of it, but it's 190bhp.
Although you could bore out the 2.8 to 2.9 or even 3.0L .
If your current Mk2 shell is in good shape, then spending £1000 on an engine swap may not seem like too bad an investment, particularly if you take the opportunity to update the car with bits from the Mk3 like the dash.
But when you come to sell a modded car, it's unlikely you'd get back the money invested unless you find an enthusiast.
You could always look for a Mk2 that's already had the engine swap to avoid the hassle or just buy a Corrado with the VR6 in it as VW intended.
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^ well said! though i'd stick with the golf - much lighter than the corrado with parts costing so much less! a friend of mine's corrado g60 had a sevice and charger repair - came to well over £1000! ouch.
If you do go for a corrado, i've heard on very good authority that its worth spending every penny on an example with good bodywork rather than solid engine, as panels etc are very expensive and difficult to track!
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hm, now ive put my reality hat on, i dont think i have the time to do that stuff, is a standard mk3 vr6 much quicker than a mk2 16v?
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top end will be, my mate toped out at 148 (so he says) in his vr6! not sure about 0-60
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hm, im not too fussed about top end, with 9 points i intend to keep to the speed limit now days, what i really want is to hit 60 even quicker than i do now, to be honest its probably fine, im just bummed out cause i got overtaken by a 2.5 vectra the other day, and a few niggles that annoy me about my car make me want a new one. but its probably not worth it,
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With a K&N and a CAT back zorst there aint a lot of difference.
I kept up with a Vr6 on a run up to Skeggie! :grin:
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The Mk2 16v is a fine car, and if you have a later one, you won't even be that short of modern conveniences.
The mk3 vr6 will be quicker than the Mk2 16v but not by a huge amount because the Mk3 is heavier.
I had a Mk3 16v and a Mk2 16v and in terms of performance, there's not a great deal in it, the Mk2 does feel more raw and slightly nippier round the bends, but then it's a little lighter and the Mk3 was known for softer suspension. the mk3 interior is more comfortable and modern, but it's all up to personal taste.
If you want to stick with the Mk2, but want more power for a better 0-60, spend some cash on some engine mods. How about a performance Cam, or twin weber carbs? Lightened fly wheel, or perhaps lose weight from the entire car ? Better exhaust or a short shift gear changer or even a gearbox with different ratios to improve the 0-60 ?
It's all personal really, do you have the money for a new car or serious mods? Are you a real Mk2 enthusiast or do you like the Mk3 or Corrado more? Do you want the modern creature comforts or is it all about speed/performance/handling ? Are you mechanically minded enough to do the mods yourself?
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at the moment i have an 8v gti gerbox, a 4branch, full stainless the bigger inlet manifold and a giant sponge, i would really like a lightned flywheel, ive been on the look ot for a while. ive thought about cams but they seem very expensive and i dont have much money and if i don find some itl cost to have them put in, so i might leave it alone
cheers for your input :smiley: *heads to ebay again*
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You have to remember what they are selling for too - Mk3 prices are dropping through the floor, where as you can't get a decent mk2 for cheap now - they're all going up in price.
When buying a car I always take into account how much I am going to lose if I sell it after a year or so.
I'd stick with your mk2 to be honest - I drive a mk3 VR6, which is my second in a row (the first was written off). I have just bought a mk2 to put the VR6 engine into, as I prefer mk2's by far! Mk3's are boring compared to mk2's, and they feel twice as heavy when you're in them.
Matt.
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tough choices, id prob keep the mk 2, but thats just coz i hate letting stuff go haha, but heres one for u which u prob wont believe, i have a mk 3 gti (as a run about) i also have a suzuki swift gti 16v with too many mods to mention, even has the audi door handles, transporter wing vents, mental paint, huge rims. mad ass engine (no turbo yet), its running at 152 bhp at the moment, and was built by VW god dave at B AUTO's Leeds. he has done sh!t loads of mag cover cars in the past, i raced dave, he was in a mk 2 with a 200bhp vr6 in it, we were neck and neck all the way from one set of traffic lights to the next, which was about 100 meters, we both had 1 passenger in too so it was a fair race, not bad to say he had the 2.9 lump and i had a 1.3!!!!!!!!!!! i aint fussed who believes what, this actually happened and if anyone knows dave, they need to ask him coz he was very shocked by it :grin: :grin:
Can u not turbo the 16v unit?, that would kick ass then :cool:
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hm, the turbo idea sounds great bet its costly tho, cheers for all the input guys, im keeping my mk2 for now, i just raced a bmw m3 and kaned it so im happy for now :cool:
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well my mates vr doesnt feel any faster than my mk1 up to 60
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hm, the turbo idea sounds great bet its costly tho, cheers for all the input guys, im keeping my mk2 for now, i just raced a bmw m3 and kaned it so im happy for now :cool:
im getting the turbo for my swift gti i mentioned in my last post, ill have around 200 BHP by the time iv done, that car makes my mk 3 gti 8v feel so slooow, but i didnt get the golf for the speed, just as a nice run about which it certainly is
good luck with your plans anyhow :cool: