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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: orca on 28 May 2007, 14:20
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Hi everyone!
I have been looking in this excellent forum for a little while now and have finally plucked up the courage to submit my first post.
I have always wanted to own a Golf GTI and have finally decided to buy one. I currently have a 04 Golf 2.0 GT TDI with 39000 miles on the clock.
I want a 5 door DSG in Tornado red with highline computer and Armrest with iPod connection.
I have been to a couple of stealers and this is what they said:
Dealer 1:
4 month wait for a factory GTI.
NO discounts as they are in demand and it being a factory job. I tried very hard but he wouldn't budge.
Won't give me a trade in value for my car. Will only do it when GTI is made. He asked me what I thought it was worth now, so I said 10k. He said that was reasonable so I assume that it is worth 10k now.
Dealer 2:
12-14 week wait for a factory GTI.
After trying my best for a discount he said he would knock 165 quid off and throw in the Autoglym Lifeshine treatment system (worth £250 but not too bothered about that really).
He did get back to me with a trade in value for my car though. He said it was worth £9600 now and estimated that it would be £9000-9100 when the GTI is made.
Sorry if this seems a little long winded/not going anywhere. What I really want to know is if I am being offered a good deal or am I being ripped off. Has anyone bought a new factory ordered GTI recently from a dealer and managed to get better discount than I have been offered? Is the part exchange value of my car reasonable or should I expect more?
Any help will be much appreciated.
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If it's a standard GTI then you should get a discount, even on a factory order of around at least £1k
If it's the ED30 GTI then you will struggle to get anything off at all.
I too had a MKV GTTDI 54reg with DSG, Leather and 19K miles on the clock. At the end of March I got £12K trade in and they said it was depreciating at around £200/ month. Move forward 5 months to the end of August and that would translate to £11k trade in. DSG adds around £500 as does leather - so If your car has neither I guess around £10k in August would be about right! :nerd:
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Thanks Hurdy for the reply.
Its the standard GTI I am after. So you think I should be able to get 1k off the price? I will have to haggle a bit harder then. If I could get 10k for my car in August/September then I would be very pleased but the dealers are saying that it is worth that now and only 9k in August/September. It will have done 43000 miles by then and be 3.5 years old. My car has no extras. I guess its not too bad as it works out to be about 48% of its original price.
That has helped me a lot, cheers.
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If you dont mind a proper UK spec import that hasnt been sat in a desert in Dubai then Motorprovider come highly recommended - about 3-4k off the normal price for the normal GTI
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Orca,
why not look on availabilty on near as new 2nd handers, no waiting times and you dont loose £2000 as soon as you leave the forecourt. Seriuosly is it worth it just for the new car odour???
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I have just ordered a 5-door GTI in Diamond Black with DSG, cruise control, MF Steering Wheel, Ipod prep, and 18" Monza II. Post-haggling, the total price was £23k on the road - a saving of £1,207 against the list price.
Delivery for 1 September, allegedly!
I'd suggest using the What Car Target price as a starting point when you haggle - go in with a copy showing £890 discount, and tell them you want to use the dealership, but can't afford to through away money......! My dealer was actually very easy to do business with - but was very clear that I wouldn't get any discount on an Ed30!
Good luck.
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Thank you all for your replies!
I did consider getting a nearly new GTI but the prices for used are still on the high side at dealers. I would prefer at least a 06 plate with under 10k miles. I only reason why I am going through the dealer route rather than a broker/supermarket is that it's the easiest way to get rid of my car. I don't want the hassle of selling my car privately and am willing to take a small hit when part exchanging it.
I have just looked at Drive The Deal brokers website and the quote I get is a saving of £1165. If only they do part exchange! I will take a copy of What Car magazine and the DTD quote to the dealers. It does appear that discounts are possible, its just negotiating at the right place at the right time I guess.
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I have seen these motor provider people. Are they really any good? What warranty and come backs do ya get?
What happens with resale - is it easy enough?
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I got a 3 door GTI, steel grey, leather, 6 CD, reversing sensors, armrest and 18" wheels in March this year (ordered December). I asked two dealers to match the best discount I could get from an internet broker for a UK car. The first offered no discount, the other matched the broker and gave me £1,200 discount. I nearly didn't bother after the first knock back, only goes to show you should shop around!
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I ordered mine through TSB car select. You have to be a TSB customer, credit card or something, but the service was pretty good. I think they will do trade-ins as well. Basically, they operate as a broker and have pretty good finance deals and discounts, I got about £1k off a 3-dr manual GTi. They also gave me a delivery date of July 2nd, which was 8 weeks from my order date. They offered me the best finance deal compared to all the other internet brokers, and they give you free 'transported' delivery, not 'driven' like some of them.
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I have seen these motor provider people. Are they really any good? What warranty and come backs do ya get?
What happens with resale - is it easy enough?
Got my gti through them. Leather, dsg, arm rest, cruise... £3K off list. Delivered to my door (on a low loader) and once I'd inspected it I paid the balance. The car had not been sitting in a field (like some others) and had just been built so 2 years warranty. All done over the phone with no problems.
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I agree with most of your extras, except the i pod prep i have it and its a waste of money (£ 175) i think. Keep the armrest but put money to an external i pod kit ie halfords. I ended up getting a blaupankt DAB radio becase i wanted 1 DAB, 2 i wanted longwave for test cricket, 3 i pod works through the head unit far better, 4 VW radio in my opinion looks naf.
Regards Rob
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I'm waiting for Motorprovider to supply.
The discount is significant nealry £5k on list (£21k for 5dr DSG, Metallic, Leather, Parking Sensors, Highline, Rear Airbags) but I was quoted a 12-14 week wait that has turned into a 22 week wait. I'm told the car will be here end of June.......
You only get 24 months warranty (you can buy the third year from a stealer with your saving) and they will take your old part ex.
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Not had the chance to get back to the dealers yet but will report back when I do.
I might give Motorprovider a call too as they do part exchange. The only thing that bothers me is that the car may not be 100% UK spec. There have been reports of other brokers/supermarkets selling cars advertised as being UK spec but actually not 100% UK spec, e.g. no space saver tyre, no alarm, foreign manual and log book. And does it matter that the log book could be stamped with the foreign dealers details?
Thanks
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Not had the chance to get back to the dealers yet but will report back when I do.
I might give Motorprovider a call too as they do part exchange. The only thing that bothers me is that the car may not be 100% UK spec. There have been reports of other brokers/supermarkets selling cars advertised as being UK spec but actually not 100% UK spec, e.g. no space saver tyre, no alarm, foreign manual and log book. And does it matter that the log book could be stamped with the foreign dealers details?
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Mine was 100% UK spec (actually more as I have 10 speakers). I had them confirm this on the order in writing so there was no dispute should I discoverer something "missing". The manuals that came with the car were Dutch (the factory will supply manuals to match the ordering dealer) but a set of English ones were posted to me. I replaced the the front cover of the English service book with that of the Dutch one (the title is English anyway) for the data sticker so the stamp on the inside cover is of a Dutch dealer. Does that matter? Umm - no.
I also sent the details to VW UK to get 12 months VW assist and to make sure the car was registered on the UK dealer network.
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Farina, just had a look at Motorproviders website and the prices are nearly £4k cheaper! It's very tempting indeed! Theres a 14-16 week wait still though. I will have to get in touch with them to see how much they will give me for my car.
Cheers!
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Farina, just had a look at Motorproviders website and the prices are nearly £4k cheaper! It's very tempting indeed! Theres a 14-16 week wait still though. I will have to get in touch with them to see how much they will give me for my car.
Cheers!
Repeat my wait will be 22 weeks - assuming it arrives on time
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Ordered my GTI through Simpledeal.co.uk Dutch Import and picked it up 3 weeks later with 7 miles on clock ( I am first reg'd keeper on V5 ) and full UK spec, bar English manual which is on order. 18" Monzas , 6CD arm rest , cruise and metallic paint for £18.3 . Done 500 miles in her so far and the car is spot on...no faults. Very happy.
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Acwats: Has Motor Provider given you a reason why the car is being delayed for so long? Hope it does not get delayed any longer than that for you.
TheReflex: I assume that you got the car from stock as you only had to wait 3 weeks. I might get some more options with the savings but this may mean a factory order. Prices at SimpleDeal are very similar to Motor Provider.
Has anyone else ordered cars from these companies? If so could you please give a brief summary of how it all went - wait times, delays, customer service etc.
Thanks.
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I have ordered mine from Motorprovider, I am still waiting for delivery, been told that it will be PDI'd on the 26th of June and should be ready to go the following week.
I ordered mine on the 20th of Feb. The wait is killing me but there again i have saved 5K.
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Hi guys, i ordered my GTI from motorprovider on the 23 March and was expecting the 12-14 week delivery before reading this thread.....you've got me worried !! Don't think i can handle much more of a wait its driving me nuts already.
Golf GTI 3 dr, reflex silver, 18 monza's, cruise, arm rest, highline comp, leather.
Do you think there 12-14 week delivery is realistic or do they say that to get the order then keep you hanging on knowing they've got your deposit ???
Think I will contact them tomorrow and question this !! Does anyone have experience of motorprovider ?
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Acwats: Has Motor Provider given you a reason why the car is being delayed for so long? Hope it does not get delayed any longer than that for you.
Sort of - they used to order in bulk but were stopped by VW. The built to order process is something new for them and they don't get the same service as main dealers. I am sceptical that they waited until they had a number of customers (I've been given the same dates as John007) to put a bulk order in but they have (tried to) assured me this is not the case.
The guys seem genuine and when I complained I was offered my deposit back so they are acting honourably.
In summary I think they are given poorer service than any main dealer and I'm in a queue - I dare say the launch of the ED30 has put pressure on the plant and I've lost out in terms of delivery time. Getting a date provides some security - I suggest you try to pin them down on this.
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I have contacted motorprovider and they are estimating a 16 week wait for a GTI. They have also valued my car to be worth £9400 (that's current value and not 16 weeks time). That doesn't sound too bad as I will be saving about £4000.
I also contacted a broker called cars4charities and they are saying 10 weeks for a factory GTI (from Holland) and have valued my car to be worth £8900 in 10 weeks time. They are a bit more expensive than motorprovider though. 10 weeks sounds a bit quick as local dealers are estimating about 14-16 weeks.
Both are full uk spec with space saver tyre and alarm and English manual. I think I will go through the import route due to the large discounts but the problem for me now is to decide who to go with.
Thanks for all your help.
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Hi all - first post on here.
As above I tried Motorprovider but they are just to order now so 12-14 week delay.
Have ordered a car from http://www.simpledeal.co.uk/ 3 week wait for a steel grey 5-dr. Could have had a silver one this weekend. Appears to be the same deal as motorP i.e. EU import, UK spec, 2-yr warranty etc.
I know nothing about them but the alternative is give the mail stealer £21500 or give them £18265 - the car will probably be kept for years so import or not means nothing to me. Will post back with my experiences on the dealer when I get it.
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Hi all - first post on here.
As above I tried Motorprovider but they are just to order now so 12-14 week delay.
Have ordered a car from http://www.simpledeal.co.uk/ 3 week wait for a steel grey 5-dr. Could have had a silver one this weekend. Appears to be the same deal as motorP i.e. EU import, UK spec, 2-yr warranty etc.
I know nothing about them but the alternative is give the mail stealer £21500 or give them £18265 - the car will probably be kept for years so import or not means nothing to me. Will post back with my experiences on the dealer when I get it.
Got mine through SimpleDeal and had no probs with them. Only had a 3 week wait as the car was in stock . They import them via a VW Garage in Holland, who I have since emailed with questions about the car ( PDI date , service regime etc ) and have always had a reply from the service manager in perfect english. V5 document dropped on the mat with me as the first registered keeper within a week. Definitley recommend them.
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That is very good to hear as there's nothing much about them on the interweb :smiley:
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Just call around the dealers, i got almost 1k off an ed30, so you should be looking at 1.5-2k off a normal Gti.
Dealers will have targets to hit at different times of the year - all you need to do is find the one dealer that needs to sell a car now. There will be one!
Then just ask your local dealer to match the quote
good luck
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I ordered my car this week from cars4charities as they are local to me. They are still quoting 10 weeks but will delay it so that it will be on the 57 plate. They seem genuine and friendly and know what they are talking about and have answered all my queries to date.
This is the first time that I have ordered a car this way so I am still a little bit worried. I will keep you posted on how it all goes.
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Hi guys, i ordered my GTI from motorprovider on the 23 March and was expecting the 12-14 week delivery before reading this thread.....you've got me worried !! Don't think i can handle much more of a wait its driving me nuts already.
Golf GTI 3 dr, reflex silver, 18 monza's, cruise, arm rest, highline comp, leather.
Do you think there 12-14 week delivery is realistic or do they say that to get the order then keep you hanging on knowing they've got your deposit ???
Think I will contact them tomorrow and question this !! Does anyone have experience of motorprovider ?
I ordered a Golf GTI 3 dr, diamond black, 18 monza's, ipod prep arm rest, winter pack, xeonons and leather at £20,500 (saving £4000) from them in April and was quoted 12-14 weeks. However after if not being ready at the end of June I have been in touch and have informed me of delays due to "problems at the VW end". They say it will now be ready in September and they seem genuine but for such a saving you never can be sure I guess!
I have looked around and tried ot price match new and second hand ones with dealers and private sellers but can't get anywhere close so I'm going to hold on now till september - the wait is killing me though!
Will probably get an extra warrenty to bring the 24 month import one up to 36 whagt is the best way to do this anyone?
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I ordered a Golf GTI 3 dr, diamond black, 18 monza's, ipod prep arm rest, winter pack, xeonons and leather at £20,500 (saving £4000) from them in April and was quoted 12-14 weeks. However after if not being ready at the end of June I have been in touch and have informed me of delays due to "problems at the VW end". They say it will now be ready in September and they seem genuine but for such a saving you never can be sure I guess!
I have looked around and tried ot price match new and second hand ones with dealers and private sellers but can't get anywhere close so I'm going to hold on now till september - the wait is killing me though!
Will probably get an extra warrenty to bring the 24 month import one up to 36 whagt is the best way to do this anyone?
Try these:
http://www.warrantydirect.co.uk/quote_page1.html?wd=1
Used them before on my Boxster. Some limit on total/annual claims and you may have to settle the bill first but they are a sound company.
Cass
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Try these:
http://www.warrantydirect.co.uk/quote_page1.html?wd=1
Used them before on my Boxster. Some limit on total/annual claims and you may have to settle the bill first but they are a sound company.
Cass
Cheers look good - just got to wait for motorprovider to live true to their name and deliver my GTI in Sept!
With a little bit of luck and constant phonecalls it might happen!
Harry
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Just a little update on how my order is progressing.
Been in touch with cars4charities and they told me that there is a bit of a delay with the order (I thought that the 10 week delivery time they quoted me was a bit optimistic considering that dealers were quoting 16 weeks).
They said that part of the delay was due to the VW factory being closed for most of this month. They also said that my car will be built week 39 (worse case scenario). It sounds as if I will have to wait til mid October to get the car :sad:
Hopefully it will be worth the wait.
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Just a quick note to say that I am now finally the proud owner of a Golf GTI! I picked it up last Thursday and am over the moon with it. Still running it in although I've done 900 miles already! It was definitely worth the wait.