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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Overseer on 06 February 2004, 09:51
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I'm in two minds about this...
thing is.. there are several people here who have 'GTI'd up' non GTI cars.. and while they look pretty.. they're not 'real'
should we welcome them for their love of golfs? or ask why the'yre spending 100s on body mods to look like something they arent.. people are gonna think golfs are slow if they try to race one of these fake sheep in wolves clothing.. even more ludicrous has been the talk of adding NOS to one of these car.. the result of which would just about give it the performance of a 'real' gti...
however i do understand that esp. young drivers cant afford to insure a gti.. but.. this is a gti forum so erm... ?
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I think the same thoughts could be applied to Mk3 8v members.
;D ;D
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don't go there :P
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most cant afford the insurance hence why they do them up to look like Gti's, but eventually as they build up the no claims they move on and buy a real GTi
i say let them do what they want, if you cant afford a Gti then a lookalike is the next best thing
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so should we have a gti lookalikes or non-gti section for them then?
to me its pretty weird to me to see someone here asking about NOS and wanting to improve the performance of their car, which turns out to be a 1.6 CL.. too much f&f ?
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ohh.. or maybe a styling section? blinged out.. nah-mean?
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Its not realy fair to dismiss the wannabe GTis from the site.
We all have to start somewhere and this site must benefit loads of Golf owners just on maintenance alone. I know its helped me out alot.
Lets not be playground bullies ;)
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Wow....Small Minded or what.
Insurance does not cover N2o, They wont cover your car if you have your tanks active, However this means they wont put your premiums up, Hence why some one (such as me) would want to put it in there car as it would be a cheap performance boost and it would be a fun way to learn
I could say the same to everyone who puts G60 arches on there cars, Do you drive a G60? Nope, so why do you have them? If you really want to be small minded enaught to push other golf owners out of the forums you need to realise this, Some of the CL owners on this forum are young students earning less in a year than some earn in a month. Yet there love of golfs push them to do it.
I found what you put to be offencive, Sorry if im being out of line here but so what if i want N2O in my ride? Its my car after all isnt it? If your worried about peoples oppinions about VW golfs look at it this way, If some one things your golf is slow, Proove them wrong...Its really not that hard
Love Fielder
(a Offended VW golf CL driver who sincerly appologises for not having pockets deep enaught to afford the 2k a year insurance costs of owning a 16V GTI)
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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I hear you my friend, cant blame you for the rant.
Its one of those threads that winds alot of people up and ends up with loads of pages of negative ranting. keep it clean eh peeps ;)
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Open your heart and let the non-Gti owners in :-* hehe
I dont think their a problem. I dont see this just as a GTi site but as a trouble shooting kinda site if you get me?
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let the non Gti Golfs in and kick out the mk3 8valvers then.
;D ;D ;D
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tut tut tut ::)
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Imitation is the greatest form of flattery, better that they're aspiring to be GTi drivers than rasping around in a Nova with a coffee can on the back.
Just my opinion :)
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^ true :)
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so why isnt this site www.vwgolf.co.uk then?
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Got to agree with Fielder on this one. We all started somewhere, but I bet not many of us started out with a VW. The fact they are loyal to the marque, is enough, and I'm sure they would upgrade to a GTI when they are able to afford them.
We even have people who join just so as they can get an idea about the car they want to buy first - Rob118 is a fine example, He runs an AX, but is doing everything he can to get his Golf.
I say welcome them all, and persuade them to upgrade when they can.
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oversewer were u born with a wooden spoon :P
Do i get more posts if I have 2 gti's 8)
oh yeah and adam u said at newark that I'd get an extra post for my efforts - where is it :D
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well as your standerd mrk1cabs non gti 1.6l 8v i goto say i bin on this site for a few weeks now on chat ect ect and i want to do a major refit and build " am i wrong for getting a standerd?" i think not its personal choice all i can say is welcome all be nice and youll have a better life not my site but hey its good advise either way
sam
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how come s p o o n was changed? Make it look as if I said something rude :D
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^ think u can have a golfgal_mk1 and golfgal_mk2 accounts and post questions about each mk from the relevant account :P (oh and carry on talkin rubbish as golf gal.. lol :P)
a wooden what hon? :P
anyways...
the point of this thread was for collecting your opinions, i put out two sides of an argument and have ended up defending myself.. half the comebacks have been on the insurance/age thing i put in the first post!
i wasnt sure what you guys thought about people making gti looky likey cars.. let alone having them posting here..
cant u see i've tried to ask if peope think theres a way they can be MORE welcome if people agree...!?! like a styling section.. or something else where non-gti issues can be discussed as well..? (l;ke has been suggested before for corrados and polo gti's..)
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ha ha oversewer my mk3 8v can beat your mk316v ha ha ha smoke that one for a while :P
love ya babes book room? ;)
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ha ha oversewer my mk3 8v can beat your mk316v ha ha ha smoke that one for a while :P
love ya babes book room? ;)
You bought a mk3 aswell? ;)
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lol...
:-*
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Cud be gettin a vr6 that needs a good bit of work ;D
then oversewer cudn't argue wi me coz he couldn't keep up (not that he can anyway)
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where you gonna keep all these cars Golfgal??
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where you gonna keep all these cars Golfgal??
LOL, thought she wanted a cab a while back too, and a VR6 for her mk2........ ;)
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lol.. i'd like a cab.. think i'm gonna miss having a convertible ish car this summer.. :(
i'm happy with my valver though.. its fast nuff.. :)
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vr6 2 go into mk2
give me a chainsaw and I'll have a mk1 cab ;D
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You'll have use of a cab soon anyway golfgal
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;D
yea we gonna sign a pre nup?
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Personally, even though this is a gti forum, I reckon we shouldn't discriminate against non-gti owners. After all, you gotta start somewhere ain't ya? Even I had a 1.0 once ;D
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;D ;D
I think we'll need a car park rather than a house.
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Back on the original topic of this thread, I've had 3 cars since I got my licence, all of them Golfs.
My first was a Mk2 GL 1.8, so insurance wasn't cheap either (about ?1200 tpft aged 20). It was completely standard, I did nothing to it, but it got me on the Golf ladder. I was originally looking for a 1.6 but this one came along via a friend of a friend, and at ?500 it was a deal.
I have now been able to afford a GTI, so I currently have 2 Valvers, but had I not bought the GL, I probably wouldn't have got into Golfs in the same way at all.
It's a bit of a personal opinion on whether you should put styling kits on non-GTIs to make them look like GTIs (didn't VW do this with the Driver model anyway?).
My preference is for a car to have performance to match it's looks and in some cases, I like cars that are very subtly styled but have outrageous performance.
The majority of people who mod the lower end Golfs at least do it well and in a way that doesn't look rubbish, unlike many 1Litre Novas, Nissan Bluebirds, Fiestas and all that lot.
Give the guys a break, if they can only afford to insure a 1.6 Mk2, then fine, let them do what they want to make it look better, then maybe when they've got some more money they can swap engines or get a real GTI.
Actually, it's sometimes easier to find a lower powered car with a solid body than it is to find a GTI with one, and it's that point when you start thinking about engine swaps.
Just my thoughts.
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Good points there 16vfan. I started with a 1.0 polo hatchback and worked up from there. Even though I didnt intend on having VWs all the way through, they are sort of addictive.
I was turned down on insurance on my 1.4 golf once!!!!! Its not easy when your young......
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At the end of the day, who cares?
I think the idea of a good forum is for people to give / recieve advice on their VW Gti's. It also is a place where people chat etc..
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When i have the money i plan on moving up to a MK4 GTI turbo, But for now im enjoying my MK2 ;D But for now im happy with my CL.
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At the end of the day, who cares?
I think the idea of a good forum is for people to give / recieve advice on their VW Gti's. It also is a place where people chat etc..
Exactly ;D
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ok.. but my point is... we're welcoming non-gti owners fair enough. its what i expected.
cant they have their own spot.. that covers non-gti/corrado/polo gti/passat.. or whatever?
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i agree Oversteer.
It does dilute the content if you have to traul through posts about somebodys Mk2 1.6Cl or Mk3 8v gti... ;D
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Yeah down with the non gti scum
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pay attention golfgal...
I dont really care about the non-gtis being here (and the 8v mk3's) but they maybe should have their own section.
Never catch me forgeting thinhgs.
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nice sig ;)
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no dan u neva 4get anything ::)
;)
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i know..
Great memory.
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Yup, Sounds like a great idea to me, I mean why not? lets just rid the Non GTI drivers from this part of the forum and icolate them in there own. That way we wont have to see them and we can go back to talking about our superiour GTIs that they cant afford MWAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHA [/sarcasm]
.....Yeah real fair >:(
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were all here for the love of the golf, yeah its golfgti.co.uk , but if peeps start dissin others cars etc (ie because they havent a 'gti' etc), then that aint good, i dont agree that they should be put in there own 'section' either!!!! if that kind of thing happens this site could end up being like some of the 'other' gti site around!! (attitudes etc) which we dont want after all the hard work JV has put into making this a nice place!!!, so i say let em all in, they have to learn some where and people dont always have resources to buy the 'real' thing, so please be nice!!! ;D ;D
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What?s rubbing me the wrong way is that we know our cars aren?t as fast as GTIs etc, But most of us just cant afford them, The 2 CL drivers (one including me) are students, I earn less that 5K a year, If I went out and got a 16V It would cost me 2K for the car and 3K for insurance, Leaving me with nothing to work on the car or to at least run the car!, Its just not possible. But I think out casting people from areas of the forums is extremely unfair. Its not my fault I choose to be in education, Its not my fault I have to work from 6pm-11pm stacking shelves at a super market on top of my college / uni work Just so I can afford to work on my car. Every penny I earn goes on my car, Whether it?s the vast expanse or repair work I have to put it thought, The ?900 insurance I pay every year, Petrol costs, the TAX and MOT and once in a while the small amount of money I have left to buy mods its always going on my car or paying back some sorta debt to my mom because of my car.
I put a lot of hard work into my car, and to be told its not good enough to be around other VW golfs because its not a GTI is, well, Its not very pleasant to put it in a nice way
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just ignore em fielder!!!! 8) 8)
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;D
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Listen....
When i say non-gti's should have there own section its because it'd be more useful for you guys to have all your questions in one place. Like we have mk1, mk2, mk3 etc...
Thought it'd be useful.
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hmmmm maybe, but would any of the GTI owners (the ones who usally give all the advice) go to the Non-GTI section to help?
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So you think we should get rid of all the sections and have one big melting pot???
I think the people who give advice do look through the sections. If i see a thread that is about something i know about i'd help, even if it was a 1.6cl or even a mk3 8v gti.
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Persionally i dont see many problems with the way it is now. I mean there arnt many members who arnt running GTIs anyway, So why worry?
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im afraid i disagree there,
a non gti golf is basically a gti with out fuel injection, without rear disc brakes a bit of trim and missing the 'low' stance, but nearly most of the other running components are the same, tuning options are also very similar so i dont see the harm in some non gti peeps having fun in the forum and learning a bit from the knowledge of all the people in here!!!
sounds like a bit of a 'ive got a gti and you havent' chips on shoulder jobby going on to me
nuff said
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why worry indeed :)
i mean are we going to kick out G60/VR6/R32/V5/4Motion drivers as well?
no, it's a dub thing 8)
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burn them he he!!
We should start a gti charity fund ha ha :D
I'm in education and working and I have two gti;s ha ha
I'm only teasing u...... no1 really thinks jus because u have an inferior car u shouldn't be here ha ha ha ha
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Listen you muppets.
I said
IT would be USEFUL for non-gti members to have a section.
I know if i had a 1.6Cl and wanted NOS on it i would appreciate a section where i could easily find threads about this.
Nobody has a chip except you 2.
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Soon when i have a 8V downpipe and 8V Cams ill be pushing my performance up a lill closer to the 8V GTI anyway. ;D
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you still won't catch my mk1 ha ha unless u go round a corner >:(
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so has any one insulted you then??? ie calling you names etc?? nah i didnt think so, so why am i being called a muppet???, hhmmm your having a pop at the wrong bloke here matey,
end of topic
all welcome at golfgti.co.uk and every one is happy with the way it is!!! ;D
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I did feel like i was talking to a brick wall back there...
If you read my prevoius threads you'll see what i was trying to say!!
Its a VW here regardless, just trying to make constructive comments!
You did say about chips on shoulder though!!
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:-* ;D
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you still won't catch my mk1 ha ha unless u go round a corner >:(
Yup 15inch OZ Hydras Wrapped in Toyo Proxies with a 40mm drop;) Soon im getting a 3 piece strut bar kit, I Own the corners ;D
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Not if I'm in my mk2 though :D
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:D
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well mines only a mk2 1300 which is all i could afford to insure but set my heart on a golf and decided to do it up gradulaly to my taste and know my insurance has dropped i can think bout engine transplant
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or engine fire if u try and go over 70
rofl
p.s ur car is betta than my mk1 gti prob (for now any way)
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it was that gold one at newark. admit its slow but insurance was goa kill me for a gti
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mine was the bluey mk2 u followed into the car park.
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let the non Gti Golfs in and kick out the mk3 8valvers then.
;D ;D ;D
LOL - this guys a joker!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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^ its just irony.. mk3 8v gti owners are barely accepted by some.. so i find it odd that non gti owners are accepted more..
anyways... someone just lock this thread.
some people (other than danhock it seems) dont understand what this thread was about.
being called small minded when i was actually trying to guage opinion and see if it might be possible to help expand the scope here to help some people fit in more is actually the opposite of what this thread has accomplished.
Ya shouldnt have been so quick to call names when was just asking for peoples opinions. why you have to come back with such immature comments? maybe something struck a cord, if so i'm sorry.. and danhock shouldnt have called mr k.r a muppet (even in jest) coz he's a real nice bloke *cough*and i've seen his pic.. lol
never tried to say anyone wasnt welcome, just suggested that a 'other marques' spot or something similar might be worthwhile.. nevermind.
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^^ I understand, At first i did seem like you where just voicing a view, But later on in your post i did get the impression you didnt think non-gti drivers where welcome.
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i am running a audi s3 engine in a golf mkiv and i also have nos ! does that make me a non GTI kinda person ?
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I'm in two minds about this...
thing is.. there are several people here who have 'GTI'd up' non GTI cars.. and while they look pretty.. they're not 'real'
should we welcome them for their love of golfs? or ask why the'yre spending 100s on body mods to look like something they arent.. people are gonna think golfs are slow if they try to race one of these fake sheep in wolves clothing.. even more ludicrous has been the talk of adding NOS to one of these car.. the result of which would just about give it the performance of a 'real' gti...
however i do understand that esp. young drivers cant afford to insure a gti.. but.. this is a gti forum so erm... ?
so what u saying then ? is this post to start more petty fights ?? imo its is !!
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i am running a audi s3 engine in a golf mkiv and i also have nos ! does that make me a non GTI kinda person ?
Ohhhh how i envy you! Thats the kind of setup im aiming for when im older and earning more money! :)
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Offended deeply >:( ! I dont have a fast car so i dont try and drive it quickly. I dont have a GTi badge on my car like a tw@t nor have i ever perpetrated it to be anything else. You could say the same to all the VR6 owners, technically they are not GTi's either but thats a different story.
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well d00d if u at inters u can watch me clean up ;D
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but we all love the vdub ;D
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well said fielder on all your posts on this thread.i pay over1400 for my insurance 3RD PARTY so to insure a gti would be impossible for me.anyway some of these non gti look better than the gti you lot driveand i didnt do mine up to look like a gti i did it the way i like it the way i want it to look like.you gti owners might have performance but when it comes to style you lose big time
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The CLs do perform more than i thaught :) i just took a Vaux Astra GTE and a Pug 106 1.6 in a 3 way looser race around a abandoned carpark. I usally dont go for that kinda sh!t but they where laughting at my golf calling it "old" and i just couldnt resist.
4 races, 3 laps each, my first 4 races and i took everyone of them off the line ;D Gotta love Toyos, they give me all the grip i need ;D
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not another OTT fight ::)
What ever happened to the once all round friendlyness that I saw in the whole Golf community.
So what if you don't have a GTi. don't let that stop you building a really good car. The VR6's and G60's aren't GTi's, but they're faster and better than the GTis! That's not even talking about the Golf S3's ;)
So can we please all play nicely and stop all this b!tching that's started on these nice forums. Either that or we'll start doing more about it!
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I'll happily answer questions about all golfs, gti or non gti :)
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^ yeah thats cool... but still people missed the point of this thread.. nevermind.
*locked*